hey sech

I just got a few pennies for sharing this on reddit lol

im a professional ebegger baby

does anyone know 'noot'

Rucknium: they want to know if you can setup a bch subaddress for that

setvin: There is no automatic way to do so at this time. I will consider trying to set up a "manual" way. I think the Monero Bounty admins would have to OK it.

Rucknium[m]: How's your Rust?

I don't trust myself to know the meta well enough to be honest. It seems perfectly fine yet I don't want to spend hours reading BIPs just to hit an oversight and be 'at fault'. I'm more than happy with helping you if you just want to port ASMR though. It shouldn't be too difficult tbh

Maybbe not the best discussion to continue here but it's where I was pinged :p

<kayabaNerve> "Rucknium: How's your Rust?" <- My Rust is at zero. Thanks for chiming in. The best place for further discussion is probably the Bounty's comment section itself: bounties.monero.social/posts/37/bch-xmr-atomic-swaps

spirobel[m]: 'and i believe spirobel is doing work on a chrome-extension Monero wallet and may want some help'

Can you share a bit more on that?

Someone over in #monero-punks:libera.chat also mentioned they are working on a browser extension

<dEBRUYNE> "Can you share a bit more on that..." <- I have tons of effort posts all over the monero matrix channels. The gist of it is this: metamask for monero. one click payments. use get_tx_proof and sign to login to websites web3 style. I will have a small demo ready soon and make a video about it. I think otherwise people dont get what I have in mind.

Cool, thanks

spirobel[m]: will it work with a hw wallet as well?

lol I always ask that same question, I think it annoys devs

hardware support must be one of the most demanded features of any wallet

<dEBRUYNE> "spirobel: will it work with a hw..." <- I dont own a hardware wallet myself so I haven't really thought about it. I think supporting hardware wallets are not a barrier to adoption right now. Its this gimmicky thing for crypto nerds haha. I am not really against it, but I also dont care about it. I think the most important part is to make a slick ui and make "login with monero" a thing. Thats what I care about. I hate

email. Its a pain in the ass to set up and practically controlled by an oligopoly of big tech. If we want to build a true alternative to the current media/society landscape we need to tackle this issue.

<setvin[m]> "hardware support must be one..." <- the problem is: if we only listen to what the crypto nerds want wallets will become more and more bloated with nerd stuff and we never gain mass adoption.

:D

😅

Just say hardware wallet is in the backlog 😁

crypto_grampy[m]: i hate it because it can run arch

what happens if you flip the switch does it just instantly power off the old os

or do all the apps port over

<setvin[m]> "what happens if you flip the..." <- it uses nixos under the hood and just remounts the different package managers.

I imagine it would need a harness

Hey monero-community, idk from the I2P project here, I saw on reddit, then on your bounty board, that there is interest in integrating I2P settings into the Monero GUI, I can help with this next month after the I2P release but it looks like there is still some UI/UX/Design decisions to make(monero-project/monero-gui #2274). What's a good time to talk about it for you?

Also is knaccc still around? We noticed that I2P-Zero hasn't tagged any releases since ~0.9.49, wondering if you need any help?

idk

monero-project/meta #633

This might be a good time to discuss the GUI design choices ^^

I'll be there

Pinging selsta sgp_ @sgp_:monero.social as well

In the meantime, I highly recommend people review the ancient i2p GitHub ticket linked above and show up on Sunday with some good ideas 😁😁😁

added it as an agenda point

Thanks. I'm going to report on what we discuss at the I2P community meeting on December 7th

Hi idk! Nice to see you again

I can add some "requirements" to the same GitHub issue. Feather went forward with Your defaults, so that's the closest model to follow or compare to

Hi sgp_! Yeah it's been since August. Some requirements would be helpful. I haven't tried Feather yet but I'll give it a shot later today and see how they work

I just got their AppImage, I like that they offer the choice to configure a local node, that's not really different from a tunnel for some purposes, and that you can configure Tor before syncing, those are both good decisions

They definitely use some reasonable default

s/default/defaults/

Is there a b32 corresponding to a full-node someplace? I'm away from all my lab servers for the week, can't set one up right now

I found this list but it's about a year old reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/gtajkt/getting_i2p_and_tor_seed_nodes

Looks like there are a few nodes listed here: github.com/i2p-zero/i2p-zero/blob/master/mipseed.md . I'll ping iza_menace and see if they'll add a section on monero.fail

Thanks

idk[m]1: you can grep the monero source code for ".i2p" to find seed nodes

Thanks selsta, that will help

I'm actively working on integrating i2p into monero.fail as well

although it seems like most of those deployments only expose p2p port and not rpc, so i'll need to make some adjustments to the underlying app since it's primarily checking rpc endpoints

I can't seem to find a leaseset for any of these:... (full message at libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/do…acb0d492627cea639186f12b165ab37b432)

please tell me which rule I broke?

I was banned from r/moneromining for posting "irrelevent content"

and "I was warned"

the rules for r/moneromining are:

1.... (full message at libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/do…19062adcd640f2deb1ac933f79064cfebbe)

someone needs to sort this, moneromon needs to stop being a salty grape

moneromon should not be a salty grape.

if someone can explain to me how that post was not something appropriate for r/moneromining I can apologize. Banning me for sharing that was pretty hateful, ngl.

you're not allowed to post memes on r/monero

its not even a meme

its literally a mining rig

literally when I shared it I spent 10 minutes evaluating " should this be on r/monero mining"

I double checked the rules

I made sure I didnt post anything else in a few days

banned in 10 minutes

just give people the benefit of the doubt, he asks like im stealing his personal upvotes

idk[m]1 i'm not sure, but i think that there is a preference for tor over i2p when it comes to monero, due to long i2p initial startup times and lack of enthusiasm for bundling anything java

i don't think anyone is using i2pzero, which is why it has not been updated

There was a lot of enthusiasm for it from a segment of our community, I'd hate to see it go away

What if we did it in the reverse direction, though...

what would reverse mean?

I recently added this plugin type called a "ShellService" which makes it easier for an I2P router to know the state of a non-Java application, basically it's just keeping track of a PID and deducing the state from the state of the process, which resolves many of the problems we had with what we used to call "Fork-and-Exec" plugins.

and btw it's all BSD-3 licensed, and I don't think anyone would be upset if you wanted to take all the code to make your own version that you'd maintain and keep up-to-date with the latest i2p code, if there was interest on the i2p side but not on the monero side

I could wrap a monero daemon up in a ShellService and configure new I2PTunnels for it in the plugin `clients.config`

Then get the b32's out of i2ptunnel and configure the monero daemon with those

i think i see what you're saying

It would basically automatically set up a monero node inside of I2P without much configuration on the user's part

i think ultimately, unless there is some kind of one-click "use i2p?" preference in monero, this will never get traction

knaccc: I may do this, it has a lot of potential as a bundling tool, we just need to find the right set of applications to make it realize that potential

knaccc: Yeah I saw some interest in this on the subreddit and on the bounty board so I figured I'd come over and see if I could help

idk[m]1 yeah i2p-zero was really just a proof of concept that there could be a zero dependency version of i2p which made it easy to install and bundle

i have no contact or any idea of what hte level of entusiasm for that is with your i2p community

Yeah we kinda ran with that this cycle too, our Windows and OSX builds are now dependency-free

knaccc: i think this is kind of the focus of the monero-gui issue/monero bounty

but certainly from my perspective, i'd not feel like you were 'stealing' or stepping on toes if you used all the code

Does the GUI wallet use an installer on Windows, or is it just unzip-and-run?

I may do that.

it's been a while since i used windows, hopefully someone else will chime in. i think it's still unzip and run

Same, I don't even have my Windows machine with me. It doesn't look like an NSIS thing

<setvin[m]> pretty obvi that's about ethereum mining bro it links to the eth sub and etc 3060 is a gpu which doesn't really mine xmr

rtx 3060*

idk[m]1 btw one of the reasons development stalled was that i was reverse engineering the code that created the win/mac/linux runtime environments, so that a single command on linux could build for all 3 platforms

and then something changed in the jdk and i couldn't quite figure out how to keep that working for subsequent jdk versions

so that was part of the reason it stalled. having to run 3 operating systems to make and test each build would have been overwhelming, especially for a project no one was using

Yeah we didn't do that, our Windows AIO builds are happening on Windows machines for now, with regular jpackage. They're heavier than yours were too, about 2x as big, but they include all the Java I2P apps so that's why

ultimately, on the monero side, i think people just hate the idea of mixing java with C

Running 3 OS's is probably a much bigger pain when you're reverse-engineering the tool you're using to do cross-platform builds

i think i'm the only person that loves the jvm :)

ngl I switched to i2pd :(

The 35-step install process we used to have didn't do us any favors for a very long time

i2pd won in that arena until like, 3 months ago

What about libi2pd? I'm not the biggest fan of C++ myself but libi2pd has a pretty straightforward API for embedding the i2pd router in applications

i'm out of my depth here, i have no idea what that is. in fact, i generally have very little knowledge of i2p, i'm just really a java dev that wrote some build code

and I'm not C person at all

You don't get some features that Java I2P has like automatic hidden mode based on country(based on GeoIP) but it gets rid of Java parts and isn't at all intrusive to use

are there any thoughts about how to make i2p start faster?

the way you can just instantly get tor to work in a Brave incognito window is a huge deal

in terms of mass adoption

Yeah a couple, one that usually comes up first is routerInfo bundling to skip the reseed process

The 2-minutes to starting client tunnels thing can be adjusted too

idk what use case would you say is driving the most i2p adoption?

<LyzaL> "<setvin> pretty obvi that's..." <- so permenantly ban me? The dude has a cpu. What do you think he is mining with his cpu? Ethereum/

thats what I mean by "benefit of the doubT"

im trying to contribute to his subreddit with content people wanna see

and he bans me

if people dont like it they will downvote it

if im not being spammy or offensive just let it slide for fucks sakes

I can argue this one

there is definitely a cpu on that laptop

and laptops are known cpu miners

I understand I crossposted it from an ethereum sub, you guys know how reddit works right?

mods shouldnt speak for their users taste

we have upvotes / downvotes

hes doing that because he accused me of being a "karma farmer"

so what is he, a karma gatekeeper?

which is the worse sin?

its a personal thing by moneromon

he dosent like when I post

lol

I understand its not to his taste

but its not harming his subreddit

his time is not being spent well moderating that heavily

knaccc: Not sure, chat's a pretty big deal for us and I'm trying to make it a bigger deal, and we saw a bit of a burst in email after the ProtonMail thing which wasn't really Proton's fault

Right now we're getting about 100-150 downloads a day of what for our purposes is closest to a browser bundle though

This thing: geti2p.net/en/download/easyinstall

Torrents seem like the biggest use case from what little I know, compared to For.

*Tor

I can see the post being removed, a ban seems harsh but Idk the history there

Torrents are definitely very big

does proton mail work with firebird

the ban was personal

I dont want to post in a subreddit which is heavily censcored anyway, not my style and not to my bleiefs

It's a little challenging to say what the biggest application is because we ship pretty much all the flagships with the core

And once we're in-network visibility is limited by design, obvs

I read often that Tor sucks for high volume p2p , so it was nice to see that i2p torrents are a thing. I've been meaning to play around with them for some time.

Yeah it has to do with relay capacity mostly, we have like 20-25x Tor's relay capacity but virtually zero exit capacity

I mean false.i2p and purokishi.i2p exist, I'm pretty sure there's one other, but it is nothing like Tor's

OTOH, even with a smaller network we have more relays

I like to imagine a world where just by running a Monero node over i2p , you are simultaneously seeding an i2p torrent of the node software

+ reproducible builds

It would be a beautiful thing

That wouldn't be difficult at all, in fact, I added support to our update feed for that kind of thing last cycle too

That's actually how i2pd updates already work

s/i2pd/i2p/

s/i2pd/i2p(Java)/

Smells like a bounty

But I don't know enough about i2p to write the bounty specs/scope

☝️

I guess having it running in the GUO requires the bounty which is already there as a precondition

GUI*

Yeah I can figure that out, that's very achievable, probably within the next quarter(since I2P releases are quarterly)

I gotta head out for a little while, back soon

I'm gonna write this up rn

Done

hey, since you all are talking about i2p, does anyone run/host their node behind i2p? if so, do you expose both rpc and p2p ports or only p2p?

If anyone can see any critical flaws with the premise I would appreciate the feedback before any donations are made

i2pdk: Could I ask you a question about a research paper that was done on i2p traffic analysis? I sent you a message

quartz I replied in the PM