I have some controversial thoughts about MobileCoin. I think it will eventually be a good thing for Monero.

In the same way that CBDCs will drive up adoption of crypto

By two fronts. Driving home the importance of privacy coins, eliminating the stigma ( signal has good reputation with journos and other normies that would normally see privacy coins as something bad )

Once people are aware of the importance of privacy coins they will inevitable find out that the better and best one is Monero

In the same way that some people start their journey with shitcoins to later transition into actual valuable projects

<libre[m]> "Once people are aware of the..." <- Not necessarily. People will be brainwashed into thinking signal/mobile coin as good enough, and matrix/monero are for criminals.

briar anyone?

the average joe doesnt even use signal

p2p through tor

<O Pão> All these messaging apps.

Just send me encrypted mail

where can i buy some xmr without KYC

no bisq pls

adamantium[m] localmonero ?

need to find a trader who doesnt require kyc first on that platform

ATMs that sell monero?

Fiat to crypto kycless is not easy

regardless if its Monero or anythng else

whats up with haveno?

work in progress

Still under development

ok ty

<adamantium[m]> "no bisq pls" <- Hi, if you don't mind could you explain why you would not want to use bisq?

libre[m]: will users of MobileCoin not just think it's a cryprocurrency built into signal? The average Joe doesn't know the difference between a cryprocurrency and a privacy orientated cryptocurrency, and also doesn't really care.

UXP[m]: hey! i dont have any btc

2nd hypothesis no one will use MobileCoin

Getting normies to use signal in the first place would be an achievement

I don't see how MOB retains regulated fiat onramps if XMR doesn't

<ajs_[m]> "Getting normies to use signal in..." <- It could also make normies unwilling to further switch to real privacy software/coin.

every normie I know doesn't trust SGX

<carrington[m]> I don't see how MOB retains regulated fiat onramps if XMR doesn't

they wouldn't

.usd

according to money laundering regulations exchanges are required to keep and share their own records, thats the only legal requirement

theres nothing that says anything about blockchains or tracking assets once they get into customers hands.

At least as far as I've found, happy to be corrected if im misinformed

this regulation makes me imagine collusion between exchanges is quite easy, seemingly encouraged. Who is monitoring this? Seemingly no one. Exchanges self report, hide what they wish, but of course if their customers had the same privileges this wouldn't work right?

the "early adopters" who laid out all this flimsy framework will have it washed away by regulation, Is my guess

<adamantium[m]> "hey! i dont have any btc" <- ok, ty makes sense seems to be a recurring issue, hopefully bisq can make changes to accommodate for this soon.

<UXP[m]> "ok, ty makes sense seems to be a..." <- its based on btc though, thats why im waiting for haveno

haveno is more based on XMR?

what are thoughts on XMR entering a smart chain? I personally dont like leverage but I do like interoperability.

I don't like business ventures in crypto

So to me it's more or less a question of "is this x technology" run by a company or a *community*

I think the closest coin that shares are vlaues is BCH and was thinking of smartbch

from what I gather its not very centralized

s/are/our/

I havent used smartbch but was just asking what people think of the idea. If done right of course

setvin[m]: It looks like a for-profit, so personally I would sidestep

fair

I mean of course they could built their tech on top of monero

Once you understand what is happening here it's hard to go anywhere else.

But like, it should not be a tight integration from the monero communities side

Just based on my experience interacting with some of the more notable users of BCH, it would seem our values align.

Of course appearances are always deceptive.

Either way the certainly seem to appreciate my representation of monero in their communities.

s/Either way the certainly seem to appreciate my representation of monero in their communities./Either way they certainly seem to appreciate my representation of monero in their communities. They understand the value./

cafkafk: To my knowledge, smartBCH was mostly funded by donations. 1000 BCH worth of donations. Of course, there could be "backroom deals" that make the donations more like investments. See flipstarter.smartbch.org

I mean, even if they do now, I'm just skeptical of business, as any for profit business that is run to survive will always be ready to sink their teeth into you. I'm partially a monero maximalist because it's untethered by corporate control, which is the only way I see a true decentralized, and private crypto to ever be feasible

setvin: My understanding is that the smartBCH's protocol's level of centralization is currently "medium", but will be "low" within the next few months as they figure out some technical challenges.

A lot of people have ill things to say about us, so I always take everything with a grain of salt.

If you ask around all of us have infinite moneros floating around

Rucknium[m]: But it's a for profit business regardless, as least as far as I can read. maybe I'm wrong, but that's my main gripe, same with ETH, which I think is killer tech but it's irellavant when it's not out of control of a single entity.

eventually these open source projects will have to accept the fact that more than 6 people will use it.

I mean, there are "open source" projects that are used by billions, being corporate is in no way a ceiling to growth

theyre considered "bloated" look how ubuntu gets dogged

Ubuntu deserves it

They send amazon your local file searches

with mass adoption comes such sacrifices. I have not seen or heard of a better solution.

growing pains are quite natural.

Like, that's obviously not okay, but that is also literally because ubuntu literally is run by for profit

We don't have that stuff in all the non-profit distros

just a bit of social commentary on my part regarding the more prolific users of open source software

Because there is literally no one that could earn money from doing deceptive stuff like that

ubuntu no longer does that

we're in a unique situation because the entire project is money

Well, gotta admit that it's a cherrypick

did for a short while

but yeah

even if you came here to do "charity work" there could be quite the argument made for self motivation

nioc: The point is that these problems arise when for-profit is in charge, it's not about the actuality but about creating the best possible structure to shepherd the project

setvin[m]: Well, there is no one saying that a non-profit can not make contractors a killing, like, look at the crowdfunding efforts of the monero project

hence my "but yeah" :)

Just that the governing of the project should not be motivated by profit is not the same as all the contributors being poor

At least in my experience, havign deep knowledge of free software and open source projects, that you can only get from being a contributer, is how you land some great jobs

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

That's how I feel about it lol

My belief is similar to others - I think this technology will ultimately benefit mankind. With that belief in mind, my path is clear.

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. We are caught in an inescapable network of mutuality, tied in a single garment of destiny. Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly. He who passively accepts evil is as much involved

in it as he who helps to perpetrate it. He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it.

Martin Luther King, Jr.

speaking of communties

s/speaking of communties/on the topic of speaking up:/

we are we allowing shitcoins a platform to shill on our communities? There are people integrating with our discord server using it to promote outside products. No one seems to be speaking out about it.

You and Rucknium in here shilling btrash...

Thanks for your concern. You seem to show up everywhere that I do. Don't you have a lot projects you could be working on?

Im not bothering you. Stop following me, I would appreciate it.

Actually you are showing up in places I'm already in

I dont know what kind of favors you think you are doing for yourself.

your projects have no place being advertised in our community centers. Please justify this action.

I understand it upsets you someone like me is willing and able to confront you, just let it go. I've moved on. I suggest you do as well.

You should probably make some new plans though

I'm not advertising anything in this place, but you and ruck constantly shilling bch

Its all I talk about

I don't give a shit what happens with wownero

So why is it such a problem for you?

The more you press against me the more attention you bring to yourself and my platform. Just a bit of free advice from me to you.

I've created a solution and moved past it. Since you dont care what happens to wownero I dont understand the motives behind commentating. You should be in agreement with me then? No shilling shitcoins?

<ian.niculescu> wownero is not a shitcoin

btc > wownero > eth > xmr > bitconnect > lolbtrash. In that order

Bitconneeeect is going to infinity

Still hodling(tm)

that guy makes youtube videos now

apparently his wife divorced him

WHO just named new COVID variant "Omicron"

Luckily we have effective vaccines protect against the variants and decrease the spread of COVID /s

* effective vaccines that protect against

omicron sounds like a marvel villain

<O Pão> stay inside and keep using your iPhones, Netflix acconts, Social media ad delivery devices, etc.! DON'T GO OUTSIDE! DO NOT DO THINGS WE CANNOT MONETIZE!

Please keep getting Prime deliveries in your home to be "safe" and wait for the next mainstream news government announcement, heavily pressured by the World Health Organization/NIH/CDC that receives copious funding from questionable individuals and large corporations. We need the government to step up and print more money and lower interest rates into the negatives so there won't ever be a retirement age for the lower and middle class

from everyone's soaring debt and hyperinflation. We need to eliminate small businesses and rely on the government to regulate everything because they are so efficient and have the people's interest in mind. In order to be even more efficient, we should combine the governments into one world government!! That will solve everything

<O Pão> Good thinking entry1. This is why one should not use monero (the currency of criminals and renegades) and use "fiat" USD. This way, the United States can continue to import trillions of dollars of goods from the rest of the world in exchange for the service of a world currency.

<O Pão> With Monero, there would be no 2.7%+ yearly inflation rate, so workers would have no incentive to continue "growing the economy" in order to accrue a meager savings.

Preach!

where is the most comprehensive list of monero-accepting vensors/service?

<O Pão> basedmachines.com (not yet)

<O Pão> All these payment processors are bl0at

<O Pão> Need a more based minimalist method

XmrSale CCS is in development

You're also welcome to make something 😀

<O Pão> xmrsale.org

❤️

😍

<O Pão> Approved!!!!!!!!!

<O Pão> New contributor incoming

<O Pão> tenor.com/view/derail-valley-thomas-gordon-gif-14615083