Seth For Privacy: A key point, in my view, with ring signatures in Monero is confidential transactions. The very few successes of the block chain surveillance companies in Bitcoin is from the reassembly of a large transaction after mixing. Also in my view these companies are really^N full of BS saying they can trace Monero transactions. For Bitcoin N=1 For Monero N is several orders of magnitude larger

The absence of privacy doesn't equal effective surveillance.

<selsta> "he worked on view tags and..." <- Why is he making commits when he could be in here having truly productive week-long arguments???

Doesn’t make sense to me

Another question on using a VPS for a node / onion node. Can the VPS provider see what you're doing? Can they monitor traffic? Wondering whether I should keep pursuing local raspberry pi one (that will be vulnerable because I'm a simpleton in terms of setting it up) or VPS one that has better uptime and can get a trusted dev to implement for me

assume a VPS provider can see everything

> local raspberry pi one (that will be vulnerable because I'm a simpleton in terms of setting it up)

As long as you don't expose the unrestricted rpc port to the internet (18081 by default), it's fine. If you want to use it as a remote node when you're away from home, you can use the restricted rpc options monerodocs.org/interacting/monerod-reference/#node-rpc-api

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hi monero boys

👀 twitter.com/cakewallet/status/1532067017309638656

cakewallet is idiot, can't use it on non-phone devices

haha

if cakewallet is based in US or EU, why it doesnt take KYC for allowing u to buy xmr

it goes through some service based in different country where kYC isn't mandatory ?

inlight: trades are through ChangeNOW or Sideshift

im talking about buying monero through card

US/EU law require KYC

inlight: that's currently not possible in the app

Monero now #2 on CoinCards and rapidly approaching Bitcoin's usage: twitter.com/CoinCards/status/153205…01920?s=20&t=x59oIF2i63NqMoyGzc9kwQ

sad, coincards is only for canada

inlight: Canada + US

just one country in 260 countrie on earth

many times i had monero, and i wanted to buy pizza, or order some food (they dont have giftcards), i wish there would have been a xmr -> mastercard/visa service, so i could have paid by, works globally

most gcs are out of stock

You sure are a nice cup of depresso today, aren't you inlight.

Fun guy

Lol

i have an idea to bypass KYC to purchase monero

so you create an app, like a game (where you can buy coins, items and can trade with other player of the game ).

also, there would be withdraw/ refund option in app, so you could get money back for your coins/ items.

and then you seperately create a service on internet, where user can swap monero for game coins

:)

so basically you purchase decoy digital items (which doesn't require kyc) then swap those from real-value items digitally.

That would not work anyway: the real-world company/entity running such a service would be legally held liable for all the money they sent out. Therefore, the only way they could protect themselves from being abused as middlemen for crime would be through kyc

the real-world entity will be innocent running a mere game/ platform,

they will not advertise their black-service alongside, but will be masked a seperate entity

Yeah, good luck telling that to a judge

merope: why will the real-world company be held liable, for what ?

eg. in runescape game, you can mine and trade, purchase gold coins, there is actual market for that, so if you have gold, you can go to thirdpart website and sell gold for paypal, bitcoin, alipay, etc

like in roblox, you can sell robux over 100K to get cash back

over 10K i guess

from the official game company to bank account

also, if you go to amazon, only sellers have to do KYC, while there is no KYC for buyers

unless government makes kYC mandatory for both seller/buyer on everykind of online transaction, there are ways.

need to thouroughly study, also, even then the service could go hybird online-offline (with like sales agent, from whom you could buy a token/coupoun offline) and then use online.

p2p

same could go for selling those tokens to get $$, indirectly from those third-party sellers linked to company, you give them the token and they give money, and they repeat same with the company, and company has KYC of sellers, so no problem.

merope:

actually what im descibing on purchasing part using token is already there, check paysafecard.com

not available world-wide, but should work, and we can create our specific for monero

sethforprivacy: what do you think ?

🫵👴👉️🚪

also there is mandatory KYC if you trade with large P2P trader (because of risk is getting dirty money), if you use online payments, (otherwise fine with CASH for low amount).

i think, you have problem with KYC at centralised place, but maybe not with p2p kyc with individual traders, if they are rrequired by law to do KYC, you can't do anything else.

then create a parallel economy

but,

plowsof[m]: Purchasing a product (decoy product) doesn't require KYC so i think KYC can be evaded at the extent.

in a democratic country.

i think, paysafecard like smth could be directly integrated in seller's payment page, since its world wide with minimal currency exchange (payment) fee, you could buy a card in us, and puy anonymously using that card in a no-KYC based exchange in iceland, and receive Monero

and join the Monero Circular Economy!

<monerobull> paysafe cards are a bit cringe

<ian.niculescu> youtube.com/watch?v=S2J_HD0_TCQ 3:55, "I don't mind monero"

<monerobull> i once wanted to buy something more expensive with them a few years ago and after buying the first 50€ card i had to wait around in the store for 10 minutes before i could get the next one

just giving a reference of what could be done.

so i think this solves no-kyc purchasing problem,

also of selling i think, you could just sell the monero, and someone will pay you to your bank account same way through card.

i think the issue of KYC/AML is more with selling cryptocurrency than buying, because transparent chains like BTC can be tracked so they need KYC, while not in case of XMR, so there is no purpose here,

i think all this can be done with NFT-type things instead of some paysafecard

you could say- you purchased/sold art, etc

i think this is a way to justify p2p trade (you selling monero for bank money) - you could justify you sould art, music, video, etc ownership to someone.

OR OR OR,

just create a fucking MONERO CIRCULAR ECONOMY

i have my own farm lands, so i can grow myself!

that's great

i think the problem with kyc/aml and surveillance can be solved if necessary steps can be taken like fixing the broken internet from a transparent one to a more default private one where user r actually good anonymity and privacy

things like using briar

and making appilations run on tor/i2p or both

making trading appellation and even games and communication tools like VOIP run exclusively on onion or garlic or both networks

just need more atomic DEX and darknet markets with good GUI

APP WISE

like onion share

hi all

you need stuff that'll work reasonably on a disjointed mesh network

those who you're using pruned blockchain, could you please tell me how large it is right now in KB?

i.e. could you run `ls -l ~/.bitmonero/lmdb-pruned/data.mdb` please?

and Cwtch

need those for i2p and even others darknets services they need to be granny proof for them to work

the `monero-blockchain-prune` is so slow I'm thinking about dropping it and using either full node or remote one

anti-economics

yea importance of mesh network is vital

Sounds like paywithmoon.com

tor, i2p is not meshnetwork, they are anonymous overlay network

over reliance on transparent/surveillance internet is not ideal or smart

inlight: everyone knows that

lol

M0x1zxq7896lp2ze: to fix broken internet, you need decentralised internet, "power to the people"

which is Mesh-network

i was replying to above post lol

so first run that, like CJDNS (deprecated now), use YGGDRASIL (in active development, 40K active nodes) - it is encrypted ipv6 overlay network as well as mesh network

inlight: yes we need decentralized internet that is very true

but even reliance on short wave communication tech is not smart

so you assign yourself an ipv6 address, and join the network through wifi, radio or through internet (over tcp)

we need true encrypted long range communication radio tech

thats mesh network, however you connect,

not talking about hardware

we need to make our military communication technology used by military and terrorist organization public

then on top of it, you could run anonymization network

like tor, or any mixnet (i2p, nymtech)

that the biggest problem

we will use it, if you can build such hardware, and if it is cheaper so can be widely adopted :)

hmu

compare to military and terrorist and despotic government tech the common public is a joke

* common public tech is a

do you host any node/service ?

inlight: current mesh barely reach city wide between 2 nodes

we need tech with nodes reaching between at least 2 continents if not planetary scale

reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/v2rk5e…ysell_monero_with_fiat_on_monerocom 🤯

we must think for the future

<inlight> "we will use it, if you can build..." <- yea we need hardware that r opensource along with software that r opensource with kill switches and good isolation and sandboxing

Lol, you speak like you have no clue

:)

lol

we have seen tech get more open source over the years and now we even have system that r more private and secure than normal Ubuntu based Linux distro like GrapheneOS and CalyxOS

but the problem remains with closed sourced hardware and mobile operators and closed sourced SIM tech

even with the hardware problem fixed we need to take down the ISP and mobile operators or replaced them

they r the biggest threat to privacy and security and they r mostly in favor of terrorist and despotic surveillance regime