so go have a beer

i thought we cared about the content here

endogenic please provide some write-ups of what you're talking about. I'm very interested and I think it'd help people start to fund the work

i'm not even sure what cryptogrampy[m] was referring to

<endogenic> "i thought we cared about the..." <- Precisely

endogenic: oh hey, aren't you the guy who works on features for mymonero?

and mymonero doesn't accept your work anymore for some reason?

i had to leave in Jan 2020 ish

unfortunately my safety is at risk

so i cant say anything

NorrinRadd: ok, noted

sure

ofrnxmr[m]: noted

by the way i dont just work on features

i took over the company and sacrificed most of my life for it

and i am a part owner

didnt just

i funded mrl workshops

organized them

took minutes on intensive research

that's .. idk.. 1 of 25 things i did

i'd better stop there for now. the story is probably intentionally convoluted so that no one can easily understand without a lot of time

sorry for the spam

working on it

"sorry for the spam" just a heads up, this counts as spam only for Matrix users who enable notifications for each message. IRC is built such that people don't get a notification for every message you send.

s/built/intended to be used/

Sending

Messages

'Ile

Like

This

Is

Annoying

Thinking

Out loud

Is not

Constructive

As I said.. sentences and paragraphs..

Im not trying to be an asshole. Literally constructive criticism.

He asked why people dont listen, I answered. Its hard to listen

brutal

absolute chad

lol. Okay, I agree there, thinking out loud is a pain for others to read through, and endo's messages are ridiculously short

its giving quirky girl

ok i didnt know you got pinged

she's not like other monero maxis, she's *different*

ofrnxmr[m]: i did not ask that. and i dont think my message length is the real limiter. i think the bigger issue is it's an unpleasant and perhaps easy to dramatize for others

topic*

KNNY[m]: what are you on about

endogenic: my same shit

i think the kids called it based nowadays

anyway i dont think i'm going to spend much of my time talking about what amounts to a distraction from my real work. if anyone truly wants to know then i will tell you over dm. i am not ashamed anymore to say i was an uncalibrated person who went through serious heartbreak etc and that caused me to behave inappropriately at a tech conference. that is the main excuse to throw me under the bus.

KNNY[m]: based

^ this was easy to read 🙏

it's amazing how badly my experiences fucked my psyche despite my particular training. a lot of people became seriously mentally disturbed trying to contribute here. i have had to seek considerable help to restabilize myself

ofrnxmr[m]: i'm trying

afk

This is why being anon is more important than anything bc you can be inappropriate and people become conflicted on which side of their personality to reveal to you

If they know who you are, they have a psychological edge over you

i need to answer to your remarks. i disagree with you. we dont deserve to have to be anon. we should be able to have legit businesses on monero. what we must not have is a lack of conscience and frankly utterly savage treatment of each other. the real problem are criminals

but

i will continue to be happy to protect the anonymity of anyone who works with me. but my own identity cannot be private if i want to operate a legal biz

and to serve monero properly it seems i need to do that

not to mention myself and my team

KNNY[m]: this is exactly the reason that drew me to privacy in general and eventually caused me to end up here. I wanna create stuff without worrying about random internet assholes

I mean if the monero devs weren't anon then they would either become political plants bribed by the government to ruin monero, or they would be dead

Hey everyone

I am having problems transacting with Trezor

ct[m]: the reason it was so disruptive to people's psyches was the cognitive dissonance of not expecting a trusted person to be capable of such savagery

most of it is undetectable to people without considerable self learning.

anyway

Is this a known issue? I am using latest firmware from trezor (2.5.2) and latest MoneroGUI (18.1.0)

KNNY[m]: tons of monero devs are not anon

endogenic: That's still unfortunate

I don't know your story endogenic, my comment was just in general

Personally I think anonymity is great dispute whatever complications we have, we "shouldn't have to" right but that universe where things are perfect doesn't exist and one where the government incarcerates or kills people that it disagrees with does exist

r3nor[m]: not sure if the latest version of trezor supports the latest version of monero yet

I was able to make a transaction a few days ago

KNNY[m]: I take strong issue with this line of thought. If many people start to believe that these two are the *only* options available, then it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy

Because all it takes is one psychopath in power to think "hey, that's an option? Cool!"

Just saw this post on Reddit:

Is it you r3nor?

yes

merope: In a trustless system, when identities become compromised then by the logic of the blockchain, then so to in real life they shouldn't be trusted

* In a trustless system, when identities become compromised then by the logic of the blockchain, then so too in real life they shouldn't be trusted

We have to push back against this kind of mentality, so that nobody gets jaded about it, and anyone who thinks it might be a good idea has to think twice about it

You can choose who you trust, I'll choose who I trust, that's the beauty of being different people

Sure, but that doesn't mean that anyone responsible for anything "cannot be trusted because they're either a government dupe or are going to get suicided"

There are other, saner, possibilities too

Otherwise that's just pure paranoia

You can't live like that. You can survive, but you will be completely alone and miserable

I didn't say they don't have a responsibility, their identity they portray to the world still has trust associated with it. I'm simply saying that if "trustlessness" is the narrative o the blockchain then we should logically transfer that over to our human relationships

I assume the idea is that you are anonymous by default and chooses who to doxx themselves to

s/o/of/

instead of keeping themselves doxxed by default

I didn't say they don't have a responsibility, their identity they portray to the world still has trust associated with it. I'm simply saying that if "trustlessness" is the narrative of the blockchain then we should logically transfer that over to our human relationships

matrix is being dumb today lmao

KNNY[m]: You can't though. Human relationships are far "wider" and more complex than a transaction protocol. They cannot be reduced to pure math

It has the potential to make you lonely, I don't disagree with that.

You cannot compare a digital application to a human relationship, they're apples and bricks

But this is the financial system, and a financial system backed by trust is literally what were trying to get away from.

I'm not saying cut your mom or friends off or anything

I'm saying to not trust a doxxed dev.

I'm saying that you can't "logically" apply the same principles of trustlessness of a blockchain to human relationship

KNNY[m]: You don't have to, you can read the code

(Or have someone you trust read it for you)

merope: I used that statement as an act of retort, I'm not literally asking you to become an emotionless sack of meat. Its a statement that brings about the matter of boundaries You're not required to trust everyone, apparently everyone nowadays thinks they deserve to be your friend when they don't.

* I used that statement as an act of retort, I'm not literally asking you to become an emotionless sack of meat. Its a statement that brings about the matter of boundaries. You're not required to trust everyone, apparently everyone nowadays thinks they deserve to be your friend when they don't.

Of course, boundaries are important

r3nor: come to #monero-support:monero.social

Oh, okay sorry.

Please add Russian language to Monero crypto wallets

To gui and cli?

gdagthngfsd: maybe you are interested in this proposal. Please register and leave some feedback repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/329 thumbs up/down are needed

Is that effective now or do existing customers have a grace period?

It's been in their ToS for a long time

Suposoedly they kicked eth nodes

<sech1> "It's been in their ToS for a..." <- Or maybe Coinbureau jumped the gun and didnt known ^

They're kicking out supportxmr too

so maybe they started enforcing ToS more actively

I think hetzner are the cheapest (for the specs) vps providers around :(

KNNY[m] as someone has said before, you cannot have true freedom without privacy

Maybe they dont like the bandwidth usage (6TB/day? For a high traffic node like supportxmr)

TIL that matrix pings everybody for every made in every channel. What a stupid system, especially when you are in many channels. Is there any way to customize it. IRC pings you only if you are mentioned and you can add keywords that will ping you.

It doesn't

There is a way to customize notifications for each channel

ok, reread your original message

people use the enter key as punctuation

something I needed to get used to when first using IRC :)

some people complain when you write in paragraphs .shrug

<nioc> "people use the enter key as..." <- The messages referred to arent sentences, its just incoherent drivel.

I'm not being the grammar police

understood

Revuo Monero. Issue 134: August 18 - 27, 2022. revuo-xmr.com/issue-134.html

r3nor[m]: not sure if someone answered your question but it's a bug in trezor's firmware when sending to integrated addresses

you have to send to a temporary non trezor wallet

when you have to send to an integrated address