<midipoet> "I wonder if we could impose a..." <- Any tax is a bad tax

lets not go backwards in history

Monero has been described as the cryptocurrency for tax evasion. Let’s not ruin the meme by putting a tax on it

Hi all. I started my acquaintance with Monero and I had a question. Is it possible to create a transaction offline and sign it without using a node. In my application, private and public keys are stored in keyvalt and I would like to create and sign transactions offline.

Антон Степаненко: yes monerodocs.org/cold-storage/offline-transaction-signing

<ajs_[m]> "Антон Степаненко: yes https://..." <- Thanks

<astepanenko[m]> "Hi all. I started my acquaintanc..." <- I'm not sure you can sign a transaction offline, I mean everyone else's version of the blockchain has to be synced in order to reconcile with each other, if you're not connected to said blockchain then tbere is no way to "insert" a link in the chain

* I'm not sure you can sign a transaction offline, I mean everyone else's version of the blockchain has to be synced in order to reconcile with each other, if you're not connected to said blockchain then there is no way to "insert" a link in the chain

It'd be like having link A B C and D, your link was supposed to be C but since you weren't connected to the internet, someone else's transaction became link C

You can, but require internet connection to broadcast the transaction. Some more info here

KNNY[m]: forcing for-profit enterprises, that benefit from the efforts of an open-source community, to provide for the community isn't going backwards in history, in my opinion.

Wen Monero government with monopoly of force

midipoet: This would be better: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assurance_contract

CCSes are sort of assurance contracts

There is something contract can't cover that's called glory, something you pass on generations after you

people to remember and use, knowing that you made it possible. even if your name is not known

<midipoet> "KNNY: forcing for-profit..." <- "Forcing" is bad. If you start forcing for-profit, they'll mask themselves as regular people. And then you'll have to force regular people. If Monero introduces "Dev tax" we won't be better, than "Ztrash" with its centralised developer company. And that will literally make Monero a huge target of LE due to "profiting from criminal activity". For now monero is a tool, if there'll be tax,

it can be argued, that it will become a service.

* "Forcing" is bad. If you start forcing for-profit, they'll mask themselves as regular people. And then you'll have to force regular people. If Monero introduces "Dev tax" we won't be better, than "Ztrash" with its centralised developer company. And that will literally make Monero devs a huge target of LE due to "profiting from criminal activity". For now monero is a tool, if there'll be tax, it can be argued, that it will

become a service.

Yeah, 'forcing' was definitely the wrong word to use. 'hoping' maybe? Or maybe 'assuring' like Rucknium[m] suggests, which seems much more sensible.

midipoet: That's what CCS ad spam in the communities kinda does right now. Community posts CCS funding ads 'hoping' they'll fund it. Differnce betwen 'forcing' and 'hoping' is having the right to be a 'free rider'.

s/betwen/between/

s/Differnce/Difference/, s/betwen/between/

deterred[m]: the CCS attributes no real obligation onto Monero ecosystem for-profit entities.

If anything it bestows obligation onto members of the grassroots community, including active 'whales' (of course these groups may intersect with the for-profit entities quite regularly)

<midipoet> "deterred: the CCS attributes..." <- There are methods to get for-profits to help pay for development without introducing tax, called paid endorsements. But then community will cry "sellouts".

DNM does paid ads with Monero easily. Main community can do the same with privacy-preserving services, that value what Monero stands for. Many for-profits are ready to pay for exposure. Especially from the main source of info for currency they use to do business in.

I mean, cake is a wonderful example aren't they?

They've done so much marketing for Monero just by marketing their product.

Not every person in the community would agree with where they've spent every dollar, but I think everyone can agree they've done so much good.

I would like to apply as a developer for this project.... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/do…676bd46802e3c816224a8e9beee2bd82eac>)

esai: What programming languages do you know? Do you have a public GitHub account?

My main programming languages are Solidity for blockchain and JavaScript/TypeScript for web. I have a Github account.

esai: For Solidity, you could maybe look to contribute to github.com/AthanorLabs/atomic-swap

For JavaScript, look at #haveno-dev:haveno.network

There is no Monero company, so you will have to convince people to pay you to develop. Be an entrepreneur.

Rucknium[m]: right

The established funding options are:

<esai[m]> "My main programming languages..." <- There's some work being done to add TS types to the monero-javascript library. You should add some feedback :) monero-ecosystem/monero-javascript #93

What do you all think of nicehash? Good? Bad? It breaks even?

Oh wow I’m see right now it’s bitcoin only smh. I didn’t know

Was maybe worth it with eth

Now it's legit easier to mine to p2pool from the GUI

RandomX is there actually…. Can probably point it at P2pool transparently

monerobull[m]: Mining with P2Pool from the GUI on Windows gives you like half the hashrate you get by mining with xmrig on Linux

monerobull[m]: Only if you already have the hardware. Can buy PH/s on Nicehash I think. I just wonder if it makes a return

I'd suggest to install some lightweight Linux distribution (e.g. debian with xfce, it's lightweight but extremely easy to use and intuitive) and mine there with p2pool

aremor[m]: No. It doesn't. Remote mining is NEVER profitable.

Their min price is 1.3591

BTC/GH/day

aremor[m]: If course not

Otherwise everyone would do it

* Of course not

duggavo[m]: Actually, I'm wrong.

Remote mining is only profitable if you make a botnet

Yup

And even then, you might be able to make more money by renting the botnets capabilities out that by mining

to seek revenge on minecraft server admins

is that an advantage of TownForge Rucknium ? or do you need to DDoS the blockchain?

I think you would have to DDoS every node. If there are few nodes, then maybe it's feasible. Pretty much every player would be running a node though.

Or you could grief players by buying land in annoying places I guess. But that would cost in-game currency.

Hinto has released a monero vanity address creator WIP, not quite as fast as sech1 s version (as this is cpu only), but its better than the original 'GO' one - and it's written in kayabaNerve s favourite language - Rust github.com/hinto-janaiyo/monero-vanity , we now have 3 ways to create pen1s addresses

And also updated his CCS proposal to address the concerns of ajs_ and duggavo repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/333

i'm unconvinced on the usefulness of this, but I wouldn't want to prevent this moving forward if others find value in the project

the reason i shill this proposal is because i've just spent about 1 month 'making a bash script' to package the Monero GUI - which anyone can make right? its just copy and pasting a few files, and then about 12 hours to make a bash script that "checks if a filename is correct" monero-project/monero-site #2050/files

for some strange reason the Monero ecosystem loves bash , and should invest in people who like writing bash scripts because i personally hate it

What was the name of the new multi sig wallet ?

rino.io ?

i thought musig was assumed to be experimental?

<plowsof> "rino.io ?" <- Thats the one!

whatsup fam

dsc!

(yes yes, 6 months old :P)

enjoy

love u kinghat[m]

😘

dunno if anyone saw yet but Kraken added ACH funding option for US custies

they need to add the banned states

dsc 355 pages 0_o

its about tiem

* its about time