Hello all, I have a couple questions about crypto OPSEC...would buying Dash at a bitcoin ATM, sending via coinjoin/private send to a separate wallet, convert to XMR via atomic swaps and again sending to various addresses make it virtually untraceable once using to purchase things from that last wallet/address? Even if the crypto ATM requires a phone number?

<doubting_eric[m]> "Hello all, I have a couple..." <- Why not just buy Bitcoin and atomic swap to Monero? If you're very worried then send that Monero to a secondary Monero wallet first. In either case they will know you bought crypto but not what you finally spent it on

Mason[m]: Well I would definitely like to avoid KYC if possible...ATM seemed least amount I guess (cash and just phone number) without waiting a week for cash by mail and that

doubting_eric[m]: Yes that's what I'm saying. I assume the ATM sells BTC so skip the other unnecessary steps. AFAIK Monero is already sufficiently private once you get there.

There is no Dash > XMR atomic swap, so you're missing a step to get from Dash to BTC to do a BTC > XMR atomic swap

kowalabearhugs-[: Ah yes I did realize that...this is what I meant.

I guess my thought is I was just reading a long Wired series about Alpha02 and many of the methods were mentioned about crypto analysis so seems like avoiding KYC at almost any cost is imperative

That's a fair concern, but there is certainly a difference between someone knowing you acquired BTC, or XMR, and knowing what became of it

localmonero is a good bet, or start mining

Or ask around in your local community, friend group, work, etc maybe someone wants to sell a bit

Is mining possible with GPU rig? What kind of electric to monero ratio are we talking if this is on the top of your head?

I read mining is just expensive hobby after eth merge

Possible, but inefficient to the point of being a net loss. Monero uses an ASIC-resistant algo called RandomX. Due to the requirements AMD cpus are currently the most performant/watt

You won't get rich mining, but it depends on how much you XMR you wish to acquire, your timeline, and the hardware+electricity at your disposal

Ah wow cpu mining

Yes not get rich, just acquire anon monero

Anyway

"During a community meeting 3 months ago, it was decided to withold mj's partial payment of milestone 3 (MS3) in the best interests of the community. This would:... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…50520bf0c458545d38615690b87f0c19b00>)

"PSA.... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…889ce1156ccea595be84551360b0cff74d8>)

what time is tomorrow's meeting?

16:00UTC

thx

Except for now

Now he just does reddit slander campaigns and silent merge requests

will mj attend tomorrow's meeting yet or wat?

I vote if mj doesnt attend, we dont even bother with the fkn topix

endor is attending

spacekitty420[m]: LOl? Hed rather drink drano'

plowsof: And?

This issue isnt endors pay

Endor isnt making bullshit demands and lawsuits

would mj be allowed on libera servers after breaking the code of conduct rules?

And its not his oroposal

Its mjs

ill invite though

Endor is just lucks he's still ALLOWED to work on it 🤡 mj

ofrnxmr: i mean.... if u keep doing those rants all day eryday about mj, ill prob keep getting shitfaced u know....

Its a conspiracy

LOL. DW Kitty, this BETTER be over tomorrow

Otherwise imma start drinking with ya

Pathetic world. I'll have to go show yall how to do mj better than mj

Were looking like low hanging fruit over here, 100. Might as well fund raytina and moneroshopping at the same time

Yolo

Were just a charity right

Community charity system

if I miss tomorrow's meeting I vote to approve the monerokon CCS

Its a draft

I dont think its on the table for voting yet

I vote to make it a vote and then vote yes :D

Sounds good

ccs doesnt care about 'extra curricular' activities

Fuck yo kids

Better be at the meeting

plowsof: Alpha clearly thinks this is community charity system

And its obvious why 🥹

Even a child begged figured it out

I give ooofrnxmr my proxy

the project clearly has guidelines github.com/monero-project/monero/blob/master/docs/CONTRIBUTING.md

> Administrators SHOULD block or ban "bad actors" who cause stress and pain to others in the project.

nioc stressing me out, wen ban?

interesting

like, he just obnoxious

running around threatening and harassing contributors clearly is a violation of it

mj updated the copyright on it

'''

Administrators SHOULD block or ban "bad actors" who cause stress and pain to others in the project. This should be done after public discussion, with a chance for all parties to speak. A bad actor is someone who repeatedly ignores the rules and culture of the project, who is needlessly argumentative or hostile, or who is offensive, and who is unable to self-correct their behavior when asked to do so by others.

'''

aw, so obnoxious doesnt qualify for ban then?...

F

Hey mj, can you apologize for ofrnxmr for saying u gonna shoot him?

NO

hahaha

Oh well. Good thing I dont care

Was Metronero going to build out a plugin as part of their CCS?

Stnby: Siren:

theyre going to update it soon, right 😀^

the contributing is another rule book though

plowsof: Not the death threats part

This cocksucker literally threatened me and licked himself from the chat

Kicked*

Then went trying to cash out without working

Rinse wash repeat

Now hes threatening to sue us and get paid without working

sue the ccs?

that sound.... very american

LOL

Or selsta

sheesh.....

Xmr court of justice

I dont know who exactly hes referring to. Not me though. You can threaten my life and then sue me 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

anyone who slandered him (i assume myself) - i am paradoxically pushing for his payment

Plowsof is a scurred kitty

How does nothing change except for the answer 😆

#defund

to keep the ccs free of "red tape" (its not nice when 'person you like' has a tweet from 2014 uncovered and their enemies want to cancel them for example)

"Im still cheating on you. Will you forgive me now?"

Dont be cancellavle 😆😆. Tell 24/25 to share our dms

we want to punish him for being a slime ball. and "not completing the entire project like he promised" but - endor is working on his parts , and needs no help to finish

i mean... at this point is like the whole belienciaga apologizing u know, they gon apologize for being creeps but then what, at the end of the day, they'll still be creeps u know....

plowsof: Punish?

So I can lie about my milestones

Gotcha. Thx

Im going to make sure when I write my ccs under my new alt, that I change the milstones at will

Instead of 50xmr for the first half. I want 25 for the first 25%

Let me just lie, sweeten the pot. So people thing the proposal is good

Then i'm turn around and rug pull the fuck outta u for the 4/5th times

Whats the point of requesting milestones be combines or split, if the proposer can turn around and threaten their way into modifying them to suit THEIR needs

This changes the product in absolutely no way. The end user has 0 benefit from sucking mj dick

Just allows mj to exit stage left aka tells mj "its perfectly ok if you scam us one more time. We'll even plan it for you"

There's nothing punishing about telling him to get off Reddit and get working

Or go talk to his lawyer because im going to laugh through the entire trial and watch him go to big boy jail for real

he's "done" (and endors hours are safe)

He's not done until solopt is done

And solopt isnt done until m2/3/4 are done

A POC =/= "doneI"

but even mona lisa took da vinci like 4 whole years and it was never done....

But mj has a list of things that would be completed

Its not a subjective "done"

Its literally "1,2 skip a few, 99 100"

Im dead serious about taking advantage of ccs if bums like mj are getting away with it

And I'll tell real scammers to get on board

Real life snake oil salesmen, not just bums who suck at it and need low hanging fruit

then good luck debating semantics about what he considering done or not... pretty sure he has his own definition of it at this point and wont bulge at all...

Anyway. 🥹 im done. I must wanted to link to meeting + comment.

Im not saying a single word at the meeting about mh

If he wants to talk, I'll talk. He wont be there and yall still gonna lick his tiny nuts

But you know my vote: he doesnt come, fuck him. He comes, I'll tell him to his face.

Maybe I should make some mj threats

like what?

Is that ok too? I can be petty as him😃 right? We just enable that shit?

spacekitty420[m]: He said he should shoot me, that he didnt need bullets to kill me

Maybe I should return the comment?

oh right, because you're ooo123's sock account

Rihht

Is that mj?

is muricans

"I dont need a bullet" mj

like, all of murica

Shooting me with his fingers

😹

isnt meeting in like 12 hours?

let everyone release their anger the day before, and then sleep on it

they'll be less mean tomorrow

it's same day tho, 4am utc saturday is same day as 4pm utc saturday

:hyperthonk: 5head

I'm never mean

you're forcing a developer to starve

u mean to yourself

...before christmas!

santa isnt even real, is a commercial holiday just to make the big corporations even more richer..... so at least that way is basically doing a 🖕 to them by not allowing the support of a capitalist commercial holiday, just sayin

<plowsof> "you're forcing a developer to..." <- A WHAT?

Facepalm

Dont make me make someone have a mental breakdown and shoot up this room

With his fingers

(Again)

Literally all I asked.. "y u no review code"

Am I against paying mj? No. Im against paying him before the milestones are completes as-advertised.... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…36f472f0bd8746318dd6a340055d8c82fb9>)

And remember folks. This is me being a nice guy.

Of mj wants to play hardball, lets go the legal route and he can slap himself with some charges

snitches dont get the bitches tho :3

I dont press charges, hed press them on himself

being all like calling the popo cause plowsof not paying the ccs

ofrnxmr: i meant mj

Mj Obv doesnt get the bitches

You know what they say.. "if you cannot find a woman.. you can always find a man"

bitches can also be mans, like, yall up in here bitchin about shits all day long 😹

DW Kitty, im no bitch

In other news.

Monerotopia 2023 is starting to come together

Greetings mj-xmr:

mj-xmr: 🥹

Obligatory facepalm

If you dont want to wait for the meeting, dont go hide on Github

And if you want to to off topic and talk about GitHub history and politics, meet me in #monero-offtopic:monero.social

This exceptional circumstance (reviewing an in process proposals attempt to change the proposal terms) is here because youre requesting exceptions via merge requests and Reddit campaigns

And you claim "joint proposal"

Dishonest as they come. One day its a joint proposal, the next day its yours and endor is only allowed to work on the project.

Make ya fucking mind up

(In response to his latest GitHub comments)

* (Response to his latest GitHub comments. Not just talking to myself)

<cryptogrampy[m]> "Was Metronero going to build out..." <- Yes. We'll update the CCS in a few hours.

Basically to write down what we agreed on last meeting

I'm also really interested in building a Monero ATM now :D But I don't think I'll submit a proposal for it

The only expensive part is the cash acceptor (100€) , the rest I already own

Cash dispensers look like they're not available to the general public any way more expensive. So that's not an option, I'll probably print a thermal paper voucher for people looking to withdraw euros

The other problem is I don't own a laser cutter or a 3d printer for the ATM housing. :(

Meeting when again

16:00 UTC

Today

Thats 17:00 Berlin and 11:00 new York

17:00 Bydgoszcz

Siren[m]: Are you from poland

No

Siren[m]: Where

Siren[m]: Kazakhstan

paalaa[m]: الديك عشر bruh بوصات لأمك

Siren[m]: I loved you a lot. Is your anus beautiful?

plowsof: he's back

<Siren[m]> "الديك عشر bruh بوصات لأمك" <- Hey siren. I want to fuck your ass hole.

Anal sex

<Siren[m]> "الديك عشر bruh بوصات لأمك" <- I will fuck your ass hole.

🖕👌

How do maintanence milestones in CCS proposals work?

Is it necessary to have these milestones?

yep meeting today 16:00UTC monero-project/meta #759

maintenance is an 'after care' contract (instead of a promise) so it helps proposals gain support

if a hardfork happens and major things have to be re-done to 'keep something working' during the maintenance period

or bugs are found - then its expected to be fixed quick (because its being paid for)

in other news , monero shopping updated their asking amount to 0

Thats right and its a Draft now!

We hope it eliminates the confusion about the MOnero.Shopping proposal

Thank you again for all the feedback!

welcome MoneroBro

Thank you for the invitation and hey there Monero-People!

what do you want us to discuss in the meeting today?

All we are asking for is time to let the Idea of Monero.Shopping evolve and produce some fruits and/or spawn new ideas.

yeah thats happened already. until you/your team show you're capable of achieving anything we have nothing new to discuss

<MoneroBro> "Thats right and its a Draft now!" <- No, its not

You changed it to "draft" because youre trying to bend the rules and extend your evaluation period.

The proposal was never well thought out and still isnt. Its 100% unrealistic

Maybe I misiterpret the point of Monero CCS but isnt it supposed to be a place to bring forward ideas and disccuss them rather then presenting fully developed projects?

CCS is a place to raise funds for projects / devs / ecosystem after a short evaluation period

ofrnxmr[m] Thats not how I read it : ccs.getmonero.org/what-is-ccs

#5 Repeat steps 3 and 4 as needed.

We've reached loose consensus already

Hence why you should have planned better.

I still dont see what we are doing wrong here, its clearly an Idea worth exploring.

We are not asking for money, we are asking to use the Monero CCS as intended.

Your idea isnt dead, but personally I have no interest in even continuing conversation until youre finished doing your homeworl

You dont even know if this is possible

Yes, thats what an idea is and thats why its in the "Ideas" section of the Monero CCS

MoneroBro: As intended = you wont make it past the idea stage

Unless your idea is viable and worth the amount youre asking.

MoneroBro: Ideally 4 weeks or less from idea > decision

" Ideally 4 weeks or less from idea > decision " where does it state that?

Thank you for the input @sausagenoods , we hope to find a solution that lets us operate as a eCommerce service provider and not a currency exchange to avoid licensing, audits and all the other fun stuff.

Meaning: close your proposal before. Do your homework before wasting our resources. If you knew this, why did you not deal with it first? "We hope" is very reassuring /s

You dont get to "live" in the ideas section.

Again, you've done nothing but speak pretty words

We dont know a lot of things yet, thats why we created this proposal, to have a place for discussion.

ofrnxmr[m] What is the Idea section for in your opinion?

not a place for developing your idea

fine tuning from communities input yes

<MoneroBro> "All we are asking for is time to..." <- Come back when that happens

<MoneroBro> "We dont know a lot of things yet..." <- You can always discuss here or in other Monero groups without having to submit a proposal. Your proposal should happen after you know how to do things.

Siren[m] Thats not how we interpret the Monero CCS rules. Our proposal is a point of discussion to link other to.

Well the way how you interpret it doesn't matter 😄

It isn't for this

For what is it then?

Siren[m]: ^

<nioc> "not a place for developing..." <- ^

^^^

There are many different types of proposals, all with their own goals in mind. In the past, we have seen things from coding new software, developing third party resources, travel reimbursement for conference presenters, and hiring skilled individuals for full-time or part-time work.

The CCS is a way for the community to propose ideas and request money, while utilizing the services of the Core Team as an escrow.

And you proposed a badly unfinished idea

Go back to the drawing board, and come with a well thought out idea when its well thought out

All Ideas have to start somewhere.

Yeah, not on ccs

MoneroBro: You should probably close it for now but keep in touch with us through Matrix. And come back when you have a demo with automation and a minimal working browser extension. You should also research the legality of this service. What's the use for us if you get arrested and your service seized half way?

the idea started already, and you have enough feedback to act

theres no point discussing it at the meeting is there

more ideas? a longer proposal? what do you want

I want all the neros

wow

We have time before the meeting. Feel free to discuss now

All we want from the Monero CCS Team is for the Proposal to remain open so we have a central point of discussion for how to achieve a service like Monero.Shopping.

sell the url and pay for some developers to help you

bitcoin .shopping is currently at 200kusd

MoneroBro: That's not how it works, the central point of discussion is here.

What's keeping you from not chatting in here?

For weeks

You're already here.

Just meme talk on GitLab wasting out time

Before you joined with this MoneroBro account you were still lurking in this chat

screenshots via matrix, talking via irc

Yes, we are here to be part of the community!

I see no reasons for your proposal to stay open. But you can keep discussing with us here and you can always submit another proposal later on.

MOnitoring all the news and chats all the tim!

thank you for joining today MoneroBro !

Thanks monerobro. Hope to hear some updates in the future before we try this again

I am glad to join and we are really happy to have found Monero andthe Monero CCS!

Can you tell us more about your team?

what is 24/25 words made a monerobro account is is trolling us

if .. and is

I do think it's the same person btw

So just to summarize, its is only "allowed" to propose if we already have a functional prototype and a fully tough out idea?

MoneroBro: Yes

As close to it as possible, yes

studies the rulebook

edits the rulebook

i would say you dont need a functional idea - until the feedback tells you that you do

Am I reading it wrong, or are you asking for funds to develop a for-profit store that you intend to run when it's finished?

"i would say you dont need a functional idea - until the feedback tells you that you do" - I dont really get that oO

If so, what you need is startup capital - and crowdfunded donations are not the right avenue for that

i can put a ccs idea up to "set up a lemonade stand"

do i have a function lemonade stand? no, but i can prove ive made lemonade before

yes we are not venture capital

notice how he puts "allowed" in quotes

MoneroBro: We told you that you need a functional demo or show us your previous work. Apart from that you need to even out your milestones (why did you even have exchange related functionalities there at some point??) These are completely different than what you're trying to make.

What ccs is it this time

Monero.shopping

more feedback for you monerobro - the idea is so huge we dont even know what it is

Did something change?

no

has not acted any any feedback

s/any/on

He acts like he's trying to scam us

plowsof "the idea is so huge we dont even know what it is " - Thank you! I get that the Idea is ambisious but if it wasn't it wouldnt be worth persuing.

More pretty tslk

1 hr til we close it

Clocks ticking

<MoneroBro> "There are many different types..." <- Dismissing valid feedback and questions with random text

I like the "buy for me" marketplace idea but you could just implement that in Haveno without spending 100k

plowsof: wheres ray

I am just trying to understand all the push-back for the  Monero.Shopping Proposal... I mean the fact that a service that allows you to spend MOnero on major Marketplkaces would be awesome is uncontested.

You want more xmr than anyone ever before

For an idea that is as good as monerotesla

Aka, there is no idea

MoneroBro: Do you not know how to read?

Just a mess of cobwebs and brain storms

The idea might be uncontested but you haven't proven yourself to be capable of implementing such project

Siren[m] "Do you not know how to read?" - thats unproductive

I can now spend monero everywhere that accepts crypto thanks to trocador

That's all you can say??

Its ok siren. Lets sit back and leave the last hour to to them

mobile wallets that let you convert monero into giftcards on the fly 🚀

plowsof: Shhhhhh

imagine if monero shopping had a mobile app

that would be amazing

And another 60k$

They should go to a startup accelerator

Try their luck there

Siren[m]: These will find them funding and mentor them on legality, sales etc.

what if we got a contract with a factory to produce those mobile phones.. it would be the first "monero" phone.. imagine the exposure... superbowl adverts you name it

Try their luck with an idea that isnt well thought out? They'll be laughed out of any and every room

Yeah but at least we won't be the ones dealing with them

plowsof: We can contract hot air balloon companies to get them build and fly Monero themed hot air balloons.

<ofrnxmr[m]> "plowsof: wheres ray" <- ^

I sent him an invite

Can we buy a SpaceX t-shirt from their merch store and call it a partnership?

his temp ban is over

Siren[m]: For example these are all ads

wow

* We can contact hot air balloon companies to get them build and fly Monero themed hot air balloons.

They have to be expensive

what if we circumnavigate the globe , but like. everything sponsored by monero

using a balloon??

we already made a monero sail for a racing boat

woww

I like the creativity in here!

Monerobro

Focus on your proposal

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There used to be a racing car/driver sponsored by M5M400 with a big Monero logo on it

monerobull[m]: They are. But if Lithuanian companies can afford it :)

merope: yeah, it crashed :(

monerobro you have inspired me to not think in my little "box"

Can we sponsor rocket labs instead

Maybe I'll try emailing few of these companies to get a price and tell you guys. Out of curiosity.

plowsof Glad to help!

Siren[m]: #monero-outreach:monero.social

Lets stretch our arms in 2023

btw the monero sail long ago was not a good idea but people were so hungry at that time for anything that $$ was raised

scientology have a boat

if we made monero a religion think of the possibilities

since then the basic rules were refined

plowsof: that's been tried

lol

"church of Monero"

We did have the church if Monero

amazing

they had services where they sent txs around

dox much?

Sub addresses?

b4 subaddresses I believe

Lol

another person that wanted to use the CCS in creative ways

back then it was the better named FFS

looks like I will miss today's meeting, might be there in the beginning

Ok

metronero have updated their proposal just now also repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/353

Wait a minute, there actually was a "Church of Monero" ? ... i have to find out more oO

Oh, it turned out to be a scam i guess : reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/asqrbu…ero_enough_is_enough_how_the_leader

Originally it was a thing where users would send like 0.1 xmr to eachother weekly to generate more outputs on the chain, in the hope of making it more difficult to analyze the transaction graph

(or at least: that was the first time I saw mention of it)

merope: Thats hilarious!

" I do not think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday" -Abraham Lincoln

Heyo

What's up guys?

Awaiting the start of the meeting

Me too :)

Sup escapethe3ra, nice to see you

damn Matrix, spotted me

Meeting time monero-project/meta #759

hi

escapethe3ra: its important you are here then

hi NotMtth :)

Greetings

Hello

Helloo

escapethe3ra[m]: Xd

luigi1111 (not certain of presence today)

greetings

Sup sup

selenze[m]: It is :)

mj-xmr and endor00 are here i believe

Present

Yep

hi

Hey gnuteardrops

would you like to say something first mj-xmr / endor?

Hello

No. I said everything basically. I'm happy that we could wrap up the review.

Lets get started on news

Same here

Same here :)

halo from little brother here

i have left a statement regarding the situation. i am of the opinion work has been done / the contributing code of conduct applies to 'extra curricular activities'. and does not effect payment for hours worked in a ccs. endor will take the work provided by mj and complete the project (without the need of any help)

hello

Hello

Hello there

plowsof: Looks good to me. Especially since this doesn't hinder my payment and will allow Endor to work more independently.

That's a learning experience.

i do however support applying the code of conduct rules (for your behaviour outside of the ccs) but thats a separate matter

Am I against paying mj? No. Im against paying him before the milestones are completes as-advertised.

2 reasons.

1. He guaranteed, in writing, in the proposal, that he would own project and complete all parts

2. He never asked through any proper channels. He just tried to lie cheat and steal

reg time: we do not have to discuss paper wallet / monero shopping / monero archive or bp++

As stated in #2 - its the same issue

From the sounds of his proposal mj took a managerial role to ensure completion

Or was supposed to*

plowsof: All close?

Whats the "Verdict" on M0nero.Shopping?

the guarantee of completion - endor has almost completed ms2 - and has worked on m3/m4 - mj is not going to get any of endors hours currently.

And in the comments he owns the project and endor is only allowed to participate.

Messy. Not our problem. Pay as-advertised

MoneroBro: We'll get to that later

if endor had abandoned the project entirely (he hasn't) then mj must complete

plowsof: I have not worked on m3/m4 yet, only mj so far. My part is independent though

plowsof: It's fine. It was a shock for me at the beginning, but if endor strives to put in so much work and will hold on to the promise, it's only better for the project and its recipients.

I dont believe the promises of liars and cheats

plowsof: I'm interested in this, would CoC prevent something like funding desnakes decentralized alphabay? (Not that he needs our money😂)

Who write guarantees and try to merge request their way out of them

endor can indeed complete without any extra help - so mj has completed all of his work

mj-xmr[m]: I conquer without wasint time, if he had the managerial authority from the first, then he should work on it to complete the project or invite some other or even bring forward if there are any issues between the two where the community may intervene.

Mj's work involves completing the entire project. Otherwise this is not the proposal that was agreed upon

we've decided mj is not claiming any of endors hours (so he would have to complete the entire project for free - and he cant , because endors speciality is the missing pieces)

monerobull[m]: Well if it ensures making death threats etc. gets in the way of funding, I think it would be effective.

Again, I dont remember mj ever requesting, but demanding pay that was not as agreed

Kinda agree with ofrnxmr. We can't have teams apply for ccs, break up, pay out and be left with a half-baked result

I did work my arse out to complete it. Inviting others would have to mean either kicking endor out which would be really filthy, or abusing the budget which didn't suffice for that either.

But if soloptxmr works as advertised there's no reason not to pay out Mjs work

the ccs is as little red tape as possible - these egregious acts (behaviour etc) need to be punished outside of the ccs system - which is simply work done , work paid - endor has the framework to complete the entire project

so no endor hours but also milestones not completed

"Kicking endor out" "joint proposal"

Lets vote

I vote no to the exception

milestone 1 - minimum viable product - paid out.

the rest are additions of documentation / readings from sensors / automation - all done

96 hours * 2 of work done

Kind of out of the loop, what does endor even need to do at this point?

There's a plenty of documentation there from me, indeed.

monerobull[m]: Make sure it runs on other hardware, not just mj's setup (homeassistant)

* Make sure it runs on other hardware, not just mj's setup (aka integrating homeassistant)

monerobull[m]: mj's part of m3+m4 is done, so he did deliver that. and my work on those milestones is parallel/independent from that, so there's no reason to hold back his payment for it

Siren: For that I used Github's actions.

"with initial setup effort" it works as claimed

Can we continue on this topic later?

Stnby[m]: Lets come back right before the hour is up??

Running in short time lets go

I vote this should't happen again, hence not to see it separately but as a whole with full management and authority of projects on someone

right, ok, will make a decision with luigi

I suggest we do not forbid teams working together but perhaps introduce a penalty

* forbid teams from working together

is this the first time something like this happaned

Seems so

Siren[m]: why would you ever penalize teams?

every ruling is a precedent so its very important (and will be applied to 'people you like' one day)

plowsof: No

merope: if they split up?

anyway we've all had our input i think

merope: So this type of thing doesn't happen. So people don't take on managerial tasks when they clearly can't manage.

What penalty? If your team fucks up and shit like this happens, you will have hard time getting accepted in CCS next time

plowsof: Were coming back to vote at the end ofnthe meeting

monerobull[m]: Actually inverse things happened - projects were not finalized even though there were payouts. Here I had no payout for my M3, but finalized anyway.

For "my" m3

What am imagination you have

right lets move on to the other ideas (skipping paper wallets as they want to close it)

There is one m3, not 2. Mr merge request

plowsof: Please. Running low on time

b. [Metronero checkout](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/353)

Stnby[m]: Or the quite the opposite - if you're not treated right, you'll never start a CCS Proposal again.

Good

they have updated their proposal within the last hour (metronero) so needs some thoughts / opinions

Good now metronero

metronero looks decent from what ive heard, are they ready? any new problems since last meeting=?

Mertronero checkout as I understand is 230xmr total and includes 1 year dog custodial service + maintenance (post release)for free?

plugins have been requested + maintenance in the last meeting

monerobull[m]: We are asking for more XMR now due to the addition of 2 more milestones

Siren[m]: These two milestones are for plugins and maintanence

Compared to Previously 100xmr without plugins, maintenance or custodial service

Is this correct?

Correct

i like the hosting of feeless custodial version

Same ^ allows for adoption to take place faster

monerobull[m]: Yes last milestone is hosting + code naintenance of custodial feeless instance

woocommerce plugin too

Woocomerce and Syllius

would xmr halving in price halt development?

cryptogrampy:

monerobull[m]: No

sounds good

Is there a timeline for delivery

We'll start as soon as it gets merged and then it should be within the weeks specified in the milestones? So about 10 weeks

And another 5 for plugins

Siren[m]: We might be done earlier than 5 weeks

Sounds good

(Was just wondering)

Plugins might require a head start to see the required api functionality

But we are 2 people and can work concurrently

And in the case one if you falls off the earth?

then we use precedent to decide what happens ..

ofrnxmr[m]: I guess the amount stays same but time of delivery is far longer

any specific reason why you chose the Affero license.

The other will complete? No secret merge requests for half pay?

Nice question ;) honestly whatever the community agrees on. We won't sue or give you 2 weeks to resolve or anything.

plowsof: please no. we want to fund stuff that actually gets finished as proposed

selenze[m]: So no one steals the code and make a proprietary custodial instance

selenze[m]: In addition to GPLv3 it offers protection for SaaS

the first case of a problem happening should lead to solid rules for next time

because the changes are so new, its not expected for a decision right now, we need more eyes on the proposal // advertising / updoots . i am supportive of the proposal and the team

Were about 10 minutes. licencing to be confirmed by core b4 merge, are we ready to vote?

monerobull[m]: Maybe in that case it would make sense to cancel proposals immediately and payout, have the members submit separate proposals if they wanna keep working on it.

if yo uwant to voice your vote on it that would be helpful yes

Siren[m]: that leaves us paying for unfinished projects, which we dont want to do

should maintenance + xmr volatility be discussed per ccs? i feel like it's common enough where there should be some common guidelines, or is that too much red tape?

Not volitility.

some people are based and would work no matter how much the price changes. others should go to MAGIC...

volatility risk is on the proposer, this has been discussed before

ask / expect the proposer provide deadlines to complete the work 'or else' (or else what)

Your rates should be in xmr and you should accept what you ask for. Or use a platform that respects fiatm

Siren[m]: We saw cases where companies were taking GPLv3 projects such nextcloud and offer a paid file storage service to their customers. Which technically isn't a GPLv3 violation but that would certainly violate AGPL

nobody complains if their xmr were to increase in value, and it would be unreasonable to pay them less xmr in that case

* We saw cases where companies were taking GPLv3 projects such nextcloud and offering a paid file storage service to their customers. Which technically isn't a GPLv3 violation but that would certainly violate AGPL

which means that the same must apply in case of decreases

Wer burning the clock. If were voting I vote move to funding with approval from core on the license

+1

Regarding licensing, we talked about the issue before and made a PR to have clarify this issue, but it was never merged and I closed it repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-front/-/merge_requests/34/diffs

Anyone voting no or hold?

Total so far: 3 (irc doesnt do reactions, right?)

<Siren[m]> "Nice question ;) honestly..." <- OK. I'm very happy that my situation helps you to shine. Anytime is great time to pump yo rep.

in this case, we just need more eyes on it, and updoots as its new changes

Were all looking at it now.

merope: I think projects should only be specified in XMR only ...leaving the economics to the proposer

And we have a healthy attendance

And can someone knowledgeable on all this stuff comment it

The changes were requested changes

theres like 10 people here but only 3 voted

selenze[m]: Obviously it can increase it can decrease, not like in case of XMR value increase people lower their CCS

* Obviously it can increase it can decrease, not like in case of XMR value increase people lower their CCS amounts

as a rule of thumb: major milestone changes an hour ago require some time to think about

selenze[m]: That's exactly how it is right now. People typically include the fiat equivalent in the calculation to show how they came up with the numbers, but only the final xmr figure matters

Right. So shall people vote no or to wait?

merope: I think the calculations made on the page should be eliminated from now on.

selenze[m]: like been saying for years, fiat valuation fluctuates but cost of mining doesnt fluctuates as much so when making one of those proposal it would be better (imo) to think in term of cost of mining rather than fiat value

selenze[m]: Even monerokon ccs has calculations :)

will spread/advertise the new changes and get more feedback / updoots for metronero.

plowsof: my vote is to hold on for sometime until some comments enrich it or we do some research on this

d. [CypherPunk Radio](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/357)

TIme has come

last meeting we wanted to see some code or proof of concepts NotMtth

* Time has come

Im abstaining from vote on radio.

did they release any interviews already?

do you have anything to share

did I miss c. [xmr-btc-swap development and improvement](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…cs-proposals/-/merge_requests/355)?

oops

the content it provides is not satisfying, I thought it would be on to monero mainly

apologies leito

selenze[m]: agreed

Yes, currently something is online, like the I2P domain.

I still working on the stack, that will be based on a central API.

Still doing some work and I will update the CCS as I deploy the test servers out

plowsof: no worries, got some update on it when we go on topic

ok nice, get those changes added onto the ccs proposal so people can see (then people can make a more informed decision)

cypherpunk.i2p is the I2P mirror, that is just a raw thing for now

we'll look and provide feedback on your new developments NotMtth

plowsof: As we discussed I will, it's not complete and I have to do more work on it and I will update you and community as I make progress on it

> <@plowsof:matrix.org> ok nice, get those changes added onto the ccs proposal so people can see (then people can make a more informed decision)

* As we discussed I will, it's not complete and I have to do more work on it and I will update you and community as I make progress

thank you for attending and sharing your progress

appreciated

onto leito c. [xmr-btc-swap development and improvement](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/355)

Thank you for the help plowsof

The theme "cypherpunk radio" is well and good but I guess it need to shaped and oriented to the monero aspirations.

Okey, big update is: I have decided that I will recluse myself from the rpc api development, this other guy is doing good work. Obviously I will CR and help him in any questions he has, I will be changing later today the PR to reflect that

leito you still have translations listed as a milestone / 26 xmr for docker container (ignoring advice given already) kayaba doesnt like it (see's comit as a money pit) - binarybaron left a comment too.

also I will remove the transalation of docs

thanks

binarybaron can complete the gui without the api

plowsof: looking back now, I do agree 26 xmr is to much money, what do you thing guys would be an acceptable amount or should we just bounty it?

Ask after meeting

Lets move on if were not ready

Speed run moneroshoppin, ray, bp+ so we can finish with Monerokon and solopt

h. [Draft: MoneroKon 2023 CCS-1](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/362)

I left my feedback on the Metronero CCS Siren Stnby . Looking forward to using it ^_^

plowsof: I think writing docker files should be worth less

cryptogrampy[m]: Saw it. 🫀

> <@plowsof:matrix.org> h. [Draft: MoneroKon 2023 CCS-1](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/362)

>

LAST

Stnby[m]: Will you guys have a docker image for easy deploy?

> <@plowsof:matrix.org> h. [Draft: MoneroKon 2023 CCS-1](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/362)

>

FUND FUND FUND

cryptogrampy[m]: Of course

Speed run through the other stuf asap

cryptogrampy[m]: Yeah

Already have a Dockerfile

ofrnxmr[m]: ccs is to fund already properly thought out projects, ray not monero related, u meant bp++?

Monerokon draft is done for the most part (estimates need to be slightly nudged and commits squashed) and just awaits final approval from the community

ajs_ has been planning this with the events team, made alot of changes already in response to feedbacks

Yea bp++ audit ccs

no need to discuss bp++, waiting on the creator to submit new paper

did hinto fall asleep on his keyboard

That needs to be said ^^

monerobull[m]: Saturday night :))

Raytina archive > close

Monroshopping > close

Bp++ > hold

plowsof: also please do some scheduling on the monero moon, Revuo monero and the Monero Observer (Blitz)

Moneromoon?

i. [escapethe3RA Monero Observer maintenance (Winter 2022)](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/363)

Hasnt had a release in 6 months

+1 for observer , quality service

+1 for observer, he always writes about the stuff i do /s

+1 Observer

+1 Observer

monerobull[m]: im holding back writing dumb stuff

Any further questions, comments, concerns, suggestions for monerokon proposal?

only support ajs_

+1 though I have the same requests of observer as I had of moon

+1 for Observer except for footnote links and that of revisiting already said commitments

will leave an updoot on the monerokon

plowsof: Nit from afungible

+1 observer

+1

f. [MoneroShopping](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/360)

close

its fun though

Leave open!

Close

Close x5, dont meme vote on your own proposal

Close

Revuo Monero is bullshit if it was funded

Close MoneroShopping - they need startup capital, not crowdfunding donations. Cool idea, wrong place

The intend of the Monero.Shopping proposal is to research and document a solution to increase the "spend-ability" of Monero.

The goal is to find a convenient way to pay for any product on the web with Monero.

We see this proposal as a "community-think-tank".

We don't plan to move to the funding stage until we have a solid blueprint to a clear goal and the green light from you guys!

Keeping this proposal open as a draft would act as a central disscussion and information gathering board.

Revuo is not funded by ccs. Stay in topic please!

even the Monero standard, not expected such a summary for a periodical review

Close. Next

i applaud them for the "buy for me" idea but as ive said, can be done in haveno for free and requires no trust

g. [rayatina-archive](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/361)

close

close

Close.

Close

Close

Close

Now Monerokon?

here are some monero news outlets (let me know any others if you want them to be listed selenze ) News: [Monero Observer](monero.observer) - [Revuo Monero](revuo-xmr.com) - [The Monero Standard](localmonero.co/the-monero-standard)

proposals where discussed ass-backwards here, we've covered them all

ajs_ @ajs_:matrix.org: are you looking to move to funding at this meeting? Or taking the draft label off and go to funding after the next?

ofrnxmr[m]: can't comment yet

Are you preselling tickets?

MoneroBro: like it been said, there's already services doing that (bitrefill concierge service, proxystore and such), the idea is good, monero funding just doesnt seem to be the place for it, a reddit post could be more fit to act as discussion thingy / daft and such

s/daft/draft/

floor is open, ive seen no convincing argument not to pay mj for his hours

spacekitty420: it has already been kindly forwarded to you please do your research

Presales are the best guage of attendance. Even if they are just placeholder tickets at the higher rate.

plowsof: Your opinion

plowsof: Endor agreed with it so

my opinion backed up with statements

just make some rules for next time

it has already been kindly forwarded to you please do your research

plowsof: Well done in the end, I must admit.

that was for Monerobro

managerial role is been negated by endor not abandoning the project

monerobull[m]: Note for everybody: don't join milestones. Divide and Conquer.

plowsof: Selsta, myself, siren and others have backed up ours with statements as we''

Well*

ofrnxmr: after removing draft, it would be ready to be merged

those "punishments" for behaviour should be taken outside of the ccs , or during the idea stage

Behavior

When did mj request this exceptio?

in the future we will just have to look more closely at milestones so we don't get scammed :P

ofrnxmr: no tickets will be sold once the funding target has been met and location confirmed

He did a merge request. He didnt request it.

monerobull[m]: Guarantees were made exactly for this reason.

s/bitrefill/shopinbit/, s/daft/draft/

plowsof: some guidance might be needed for such issues on project mangement and ownership of deliverance. Should not be repeated I guess

Facepalm

Should not occur, period

meeting over or what? everyone can fuck off yet?

Repeated? It hasnt happened yet

<plowsof> "managerial role is been negated..." <- I didn't like him taking on a managerial role and belittling his teammate everywhere (reddit, gitlab)

Have there been ccs projects with delays/completed past the proposed timeline in the past?

Siren[m]: But why are we even discussing this if they both came to an agreement?

Siren[m]: I APOLOGIZE. IT WONT HAPPEN AGAIN.

ofrnxmr[m]: How would you handle delays in work then?

me neither, im agreeing with it all (regarding the behaviour/actions)

but ccs doesnt acknowledge it

merope: pay when its done?

mj-xmr[m]: What part

Dissing endor? Or ____<<<

Threatening to sue ccs

managerial role / finish it all himself isn't an argument anymore (there are no hours being paid for this)

Demaning pay without a conversation

All of it?

monerobull[m]: Right. mj's part of those milestones is done, only my independent part is left - and I'm dealing with some personal issues that are delaying my work, hence the delays

plowsof: Not if you pay him without doing the work.

Anything else is a separate issue

paying him for the work done though

I think endor00 should not be pressured in any way now.

i agree^

mj-xmr: thats all?

yeah but you have to look at it from the perspective of the ccs, in the future we dont want to fund things that might not even be functional at all (thank god soloptxmr is)

monerobull[m]: The fact that it is functional is why we're asking this

Ehm.. generally I agree, but this is a special situation.

milestone 1 payout proved it was functional already

So, shall you officially request pay?

should we really pay for someone to develop a frontend that gets abandoned because his teampartner dropped off? of course not, they applied for a "contract" as a team and the team will deliver or not get paid

ofrnxmr[m]: The only work left is my part of those milestones (which will get paid when I complete them)

* get paid (just an example)

endor hasn't abandoned it, decided to do it in his own time, and IF THAT FAILS, I can always jump in. Deal?

monerobull[m]: I'm not dropping off. Just shifting my timeline

mj-xmr[m]: Can?

talking about the future

alright im gone, nice meeting

Went from guarantee to "I can"

mj-xmr[m]: It did fail and you tried to bully your way into getting paid and running iff

Only because it didnt work are you here making concessions

Yep. Thanks.

leito please share here when you have edited your proposal and we can look during the week .

So.. are you going to ask?

thank you for all attending , apologies on going over time

MY apologies for going over time

plowsof: Sure thing 😃

ofrnxmr[m]: I cant possible vote yes on a request that is never made to us.

If you need an exception, you _should_ have to request it. Not demand it and somehow stumble your way into getting it.

I say _should_ because obviously people say "last time" every time around here.

we can discuss applying the rules here (under project administration) for mj github.com/monero-project/monero/blob/master/docs/CONTRIBUTING.md

ill make a meta issue for daddy Core

Fuck the rules

You dont need a rule for "dont be a slimeball"

ofrnxmr[m]: Half serious.. obviously they might need updating but "rules" dont mean ANYTHING when you male exeptions because someone talks shit about you online

Wen mj going to ask got an exception?

For*

Or do we just make demands, make noise, and like magic, contracts rewrite themselves

i miss rayatina

always off topic but never mean

plowsof: today's list is too many!

plowsof: Im never mean

selenze too many newsletters? they all present info in their own way , people might prefer one over the other

plowsof: I do believe in alternatives...but the others are shits..no work is done onto them...just a repeatition

plowsof: And can you forward escapethe3A to fix the footnote links (some of them do not work) and that to continue working on the monero announcement, the cypherpunk series

i would like to list all active monero news / newsletters , yes i will ask about the link issue (is it some personal thing of not directly linking to sites that are not meeting some personal criteria? i dont know)

plowsof  Thank you for inviting me today,  I will sit down with my team and we will discuss where we go from here. Keep up the good work!

plowsof: is there any monero wiki page

MoneroBro has produced a summary of the "current state" of the ecosystem .. a snapshot in time of this community .... bringing everyone together during the holiday period

selenze monerodocs? getmonero docs? zero to monero?

Happy Holidays, everyone! See you around!

Hope you polish that up and show us a better version

Or you can go to #monero-community-dev:monero.social or this room for further input

santa isnt even real and is an acronym for satan which satanism is the worship of self then if santa doesnt deliver the presents but the self does, xmas is a satanic holiday 🙀

but they are lacking timeliness and contribution/participation...don't you see some lacuna there

selenze: I dont understand

spacekitty420[m]: Oh no terrible. Now let me just buy my Christmas gifts with the digital drug money

there ... diego made a youtube video about the history of monero i believe ... maybe on an anniversary? i'd have to check

origins (bitcointalk forum) bitmonero etc

I have a document with a bunch of funny xmr Trivia

Like, some really obscure stuff

ofrnxmr: see how beutiful and update is archwiki why can't the monero

Arch vs monero... maybe the size of communities?

like this selenze? monerodocs.org

yes...thats what makes me questioning alwasys....monero economics is huge but the comm is really, I even don't know how has this project got successful.

there is an issue to move to this style^ but (boohoo it would take some work) but i can put in those hours

me too, I would gladly participate if someone could do the hosting and make ready the infrustructure

ofrnxmr[m]: /r/archlinux 224k, /r/monero 278k

I think having a wiki would make an all rounded documentation and updated to all the projects...may be wiki.getmonero.org

selenze[m]: ?

Monero has like one of the best communities in all of crypto

monerobull[m]: yes..but the minds that participate and the decision that are made are incomparable...consider today's comm participants for example.

Maybe I mean, contributors. spacekitty420 @spacekitty420:catgirl.cloud:

All the other projects have dev teams funded by schemes that negatively impact the users who make decisions behind closed doors

s/who/and/

ofrnxmr: as far as i know monero was the #3 cryptocoin with the most contributors to the code, that's still pretty massive

monerobull: elaborate plz

ZCash is a great example

The community literally can't use their mobile wallets

zcash doesnt have a community, only paid shills

But the devs don't care at all, they get paid either way

plowsof: on the issue of creating matrix account, the link you provided has some incorrect points, I think it needs some updates...can you forward to the person who maintain it to make a correct inference on signing without requiring an email....because the way I have tried it, it doesn't work. And this doesn't go with monero's privacy principles.

Read any cryptos subreddit, what do you find? Monero has actual community things going on, everyone else?

ZEC is a ghost town since they quarantined into their forum

Bitcoin is people jerking off to everything saylor says and when the price goes up

so it was decided to partially pay a milestone early on promises that it will be completed, hmmm

selenze: email requirement depends on homeserver, matrix.org homeserver requires it but some dont

selenze please review: deploy-preview-1962--barolo-time-75…user-guides/join-monero-matrix.html

has the monerokon proposal been fully funded yet?

nioc if endor doesnt finish his hours - people can mine montero with the sun after "an initial setup effort"

monerobull[m]: I still am not satisfied nor convinced we have enough participants...may be some work may need to PR on striving for more monero participants....like a good example is CCS proposals that may need technical reviews..

selenze: ccs proposals that need technical reviews, get them

plowsof: Its not working without an email, I did inform the guy on matrix but doesn't listen

do we have a new demander?

Example being the bp++ audit proposal.

ofrnxmr[m]: how many of you can we find participating here

thats the new guide awaiting approval / deployment on getmonero selenze

selenze[m]: not about quantity of participants but quality and plowsof is 💯 o.o

spacekitty420[m]: no, we need a twitter poll :D

for the official monero twatter account? i mean... sounds like an idea that could be fu 🍿

from*

s/for/from/, s/fu/fun/

"we're all in this together" to quote the high-school-musical song

we are one

nah, fuck that singularity transhumanism bs

I say kitty and i get sole custom over the account and only post while drunk

"official"

s/custom/custody/

Zooko too enjoys posting while drunk, maybe we can invite him for guest tweets

spacekitty420[m]: you already have more non human cells in your body than human ones

mlem

CCS to buy me barolo so that I can drunk tweet

Ccs for monero remote Christmas Party

monerobull[m]: wen party?

I already do gamenights every week

monerobull[m]: Host a jitsi instance

But it's a closed group and we only ever played like 2 games of catan, the rest of the time we watch anime

lol

Siren[m]: No we steal that from an organization funded by a bank

Their bandwidth is jummy

<plowsof> "thats the new guide awaiting..." <- where is this new guide, I just tried the link you provided above and it still is requiring an email

monerobull[m]: We can use public main one meet.jit.si afaik

wait what, the guide mentions an email

Siren[m]: Nah that one's shit

Jitsi.debian.social is where we usually leech

i will review it today selenze and ask for changes (if.. you're saying it doesnt mention needing to register an email?)

Siren[m]: Wait that's not the official one is it?

plowsof: the writing says "The email field is used solely for recovering your account if you lose your password.", I do think this doesn't imply it requiers! And it shouldn't be requiring ...thats my stand

plowsof: like said earlier, some homeservers dont need an email tho

ok ok the issue of not requiring an email is that 24/25 words will save some seconds from his day

spacekitty420[m]: but this one is on matrix.monero.social

selenze[m]: it's the user's choice, u can then still join the channels even if registered on different homeserver

we have monero wallet which doesn't require email but mnemonics, why can't the others follow this principle.

like sayin, it's not an issue, just create account on diff homeserver that dont require email and join that same channel from it

apples and hammers

this is an age old issue of "but monero is anon why do i need an email to register"

spacekitty420[m]: you are not getting my point. matrix.monero.social should not require an email by design infact all monero affilated projects.

thats not even an issue tho! LOL

they should require an email

because at one point it didnt and what happened

mm? someone pinged me?

.shrug

oh i wanted to share the video you made on youtube about moneros history... maybe on an anniversary ? i will check

we should provide alternative signup mechanisms instead of emails

<plowsof> "there ... diego made a youtube..." <- youtube video somethin somethin

a timeline of monero yeah, interesting

thats the one, thank you!

goddamn I look good on camera

DiegoSalazar[m]: vid.puffyan.us/watch?v=lPFr5iqlGBw

I might cite this in the future wiki then

wen wiki?

its all fun and games until you have to translate it

translate only to Esperanto

then if anyone wants to read it, they'll have to learn

good idea lol

spacekitty420[m]: soon if the infrustructure is ready

ofrnxmr: anything to say ?

I always have something to say :P

Regarding wiki's?

yep...especially on the infrastructure readiness

Or regarding homeservers?

wiki

You mean infrastructure to host it on wiki.getmonero.org?

yes and making ready all the configuration

wen purchase of monero [dot] org? as proposed by vik instead of the .com

Never it's retarded

Oh .org

. org been a scam tho.... its not retarded

How much is that

right

idk but probably way cheaper

that is the one owned by the squatter?

who u calling the squatter? cake? cake has the .com so is in good hands but last news i heard is that binaryfate still want to purchase it for some whatever reason? while .org would be just a way better move...

no the .org has been squatted for many years

years ago it was $400k

the .com was $400k and is the price at which cake bought it

so u saying .org same price?

Magic number

yes the price for .org was in moneros and when the monero price was lower it came to !400k

~400K

damn... so then wtf binaryfate still want the .com instead? that would be retarded if the case....

that's how they ended up with getmonero instead

been going on for only 8 years lol

No point to buy such a domain

so what's the deal with it right now? available at same price? or squatter just wont sell ever?

Although, can't we DMCA the .org?

:derp:

squatter was selling for like 20k moooneros

just a guess

monero price went up and the monero price stayed the same

haven't heard anything in a long time

and donation was 2k monero

well that sucks...

.com |= .org

right but like saying apparently allegedly general fund still considering purchasing the .com from cake (which i would agree is just dumb at this point, specially when the .org would be a way better purchase if any....)

we should by every possible domain that includes the word monero

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

by = buy obv

moneroislifeitself.everydomain

this concludes my shitposting for today

cheers

plowsof: could you take this discussion point for next time then.

thnx for your time all of you. all z best

Tax-fraud.com

What was the domain

Someone recently bought two and pointed them at getmonero

Ah yes

:3