I love these AI, they really understand us!

The fact that is actually know z-trash is ZEC is the best of all

s/the best of all/great!/

Tell it too run a node

What about cbdc this will tell us if its on our side

Fence sitter

Yeah, it does not want to provide recommendation lol

Theses things will eventually kill google

If google don't have one in the making right now...

Imagine it writing code

End of world

yeah

Rust monero node

Go

I kind of lost it for that one

most of the link that AI generate are garbage, it's like if it use it's AI power to generate the link out of thin air.

they link to real websites but all 404, most of the time

like that one

and it won't make long and complete code. mostly small snippet for functions

I guess we wait a couple more year for a potable AGI

What about “ does it think humans are a threat to themself and will it protect us”

Testing if its skynet

“A few moments later” 🚀🚀🚀

lol

anyway, going to switch to runlevel 0 now!

someone donated 100.2022 xmr to the general fund. based

of course nioc is "sleeping"

Vampire

nitter.ir/WatchFund/status/1609015950283620352#m escapethe3ra

also a list of working 'nitters' github.com/xnaas/nitter-instances

<RavFX[m]> "image.png" <- The AI said that AIs and humans can work together and then explained how AIs can help/benefit humans. Not a single word on how humans can help/benefit AIs...

Even if sech is totally ignored at

matrix.to/#/!eBgZCVRnRRkKchiYzS:mon…g&via=libera.chat&via=monero.social

> I'm not going to lie maintenance is a problem, I don't know what is going to happen in 12+ months so I cannot promise to keep maintaining but that would be my goal

renders it DOA to me.

thanks for the feedback jozsef! i've made sure to highlight sechs comments on the ccs repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…als/-/merge_requests/370#note_20250

Plowsof youre eried

Weird

We can all comment on the GitLab ourself, and as far as feedback from mrl and dev, so far its negative.

You dont need to reason the same questions that went unanswered

Re-ask*

We dont even need s meeting on it

i don't find that weird. the conversation was happening in 2 rooms (and jozsef asked if those comments had been ignored)

Drop the link in dev, if they dont agree to move forward with it, its DOA

Boog ignored all questions

"however, this proposal requires (mainly) feedback from -dev / -mrl first."

Weird = stating the obvious

Boog knows that, and disappeared after convo with sech

Of course, I have close-to-zero knowledge of the monerod code. I only have worked on some largeish C++ production codes before.

sometimes the obvious has to be stated (if i wasn't able to state the obvious that would be bad too)

The clarification leads to nothing.

You're not clarifying a bidirectional convo

here i am stating the obvious here repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…als/-/merge_requests/355#note_20212

Again lol

Boobs

Kill that hot trash

Candy coating the obvious is more like it

"I can only budge to 58/hr"

Nice. Go elsewhere with that dead project

Plowsof spends time doing useless math to explain to the world that a dead project is dead

> stepping stone while we wait for the farcaster protocol to make it usable for noobs / fix the main pain points. and progress has been too slow.

Way to much candycoat

You mean, while we pay for a gui for NOBODY to use

is it useless math to show that work has been decreased and rates have almost doubled?

Yes

Its been DOA since A

You cant kI'll dead horses

Nobody here is seriously in favor of funding more comit stuff right?

I wasn't asking if sech had been ignored. I was phrasing my comment this way to mean in addition to his comments. In other words, imho, even if the rust-monerod work is done and successful as proposed, i.e., at a superhuman level, there is still an important question of what happens after. I think that could be as important (if not more important) than the work itself. That's all I wanted to point out.

You can always revive then though, which is what happens when you spend resources on dead shit

Plowsof is in favor of wasting our time talking about KT for months to come

"Wait for binarybaron before blah blah"

Jezuz

On the rust node, kayaba can probably weigh in on that

Pinged kaya, but no resp just yet

I figured he'd be the biggest updoot

there is still a duty of care to the proposers (basic human decency) that i like to uphold - the idea might not be great but the person behind it has talents

monerobull[m]1: Serious question

I'd mainly be worried about who is going to maintain the rust node

e.g. monero-bash - if there was no duty of care there would be no gupax

Plowsof =css co-ordinator right?

yes

Cant complain if your doing it

Cant complain about what? Damn right I got complaints 😝 #whinylilbitchrighthere

s/it/your job/

well we should definitely complain - and i totally get it

Dan (Is not the man & Braxman Tomsparks Advocate): my issue is plowsof went out of his way to make decisions on our behalf

Doing this little "speak for us" nonsense.

Oh k

Proposer needs to propose. Not be spoonfed.

If sech didnt feel commenting in GitLab was necessary, so be it. He commented in #monero and will likely comment in -dev.

Coordinator should be unbiased

Co-ordinator is more like managing projects

And plowsof as plowsof can have an opinion and a vote, of course. But completely separate from his role

Only scammers coordinate with plowsof

The rest just do their job

he commented in monero and ive linked it there for visibility (outside of this bubble people are unaware of whats going on here)

By "Coordinate", I mean "try to sell themselves to him specificslly"

I understand and im not 100% plowsof is wrong, just more "youre doing too much and not enough" to me

You mean ass kissing

Maybe need a clear description of what a co-ordinator’s job entails? Can and cant

Its a first go around at the position, so no harm no foul

But I definitely cannot support the "ignore community and do what we want" bs

Or the "luigi sends me orders" nonsense

"We decided behind the scenes" clown show

If there is a clear job description then people cant call plowsof biased

It said liaison between core. Instead core tells plowsof what the plan is and plowsof follows

Spefically referring to mj. As sgp said, ccs isnt community

its in my best interests to get punched in the face and change course if need be

ofrnxmr[m]: )m(He said a lot more words than that )

No, its in your best interest to do what is best for money and allow community and proposer come to consensus.

When community is unilaterally against a proposal, why do you keep giving it chances?

Close that shit and take the punch then

Best for monero*

depends which proposal specifically is getting chances, but this commit thing, im also against putting money into it - but i had one glamour of hope - but its all based on assumption e.g. - baron releases the gui - people start using it again (naturally) - issues arise - things need to be fixed and baron and co need help

And you dont need consensus to stomp shit out at the door if you dont need consensus to merge proposal changes

Are these really the only swap providers?

"Again"?

Comit is dead

Comit style atomic swaps arent user friends at all, and nobody uses them

Nor will anybody

majesticbank said they would be providing some insane liquidity (to add to the glimmer of hope) but yeah, Farcaster is the direction

Majestic isnt very smart about these things, no offense but he says and does some things that are lol

Money doesn't buy brains. If he wants to fund it, let him

That dead shit has nothing to do with monero aside from wasting out time and money

Man.. im trying hard to remember what majestic did that was totally like. . Wow.. you didnt do any research at all, did ya 😅

Plowsof is piggy in the middle then?

Between a rock and a hard place

I wanna be the hard place ✋

im the human punching bag with a 'shame me' lanyard

Im a robot like rockem sockem

Finally, proposal to rewrite monerod in Rust

plowsof11: yes i was sleeping

I wonder is Cat was

<ofrnxmr[m]> "kayabanerve @kayabanerve:matrix..." <- I'm sorry for sleeping :(

Happy holidays / New Years Eve kayabanerve @kayabanerve:matrix.org:

> <@boog900:monero.social> Monero-rs has implemented consensus encoding of types stored on the block chain plus some other things like calculating hashes of blocks/ txs... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…7750dcc83937d4fe5dc1a0ec5087a1404d4>)

ofrnxmr[m]: You too!

I closed the proposal

I think this proposal was already closed, but I still want to put my thoughts down.... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…dd8abd0047faa5f3fd7db13b1a11b069d43>)

boog900[m]: I'd love to see if you reopened it :) Would be great to discussion on it. I mainly wanted this written I'm case another similar proposal comes along.

"Opened a new proposal on a smaller scale with clearer specs and overall planning, which ideally leads to further CCSs.

<kayabanerve[m]> "> <@boog900:monero.social..." <- My aim was to use monero-rs for the node and the serai bulletproof and CLSAG were not built for monero-rs so porting would have to be done.

I actually didn't know about the epee library from jeffro256 but looking at it it looks similar to the epee-bin-serde lib in monero-rs which I tried to use but found it extremely hard to implement encoding for objects in which fields depend on other fields while still be able to parse data that can come in any order.

All in all I should have been way more clearer in the proposal

There's definitely a few reasons I wrote my own lib 😅 It actually used to be a wrapper around monero-rs.

monero-rs actually has a few advantages, which make it harder to use but more flexible/less responsible. I think Serai would have to downgrade a few types to be used as a node...

*We use EdwardsPoint for our outputs instead of [u8; 32] when output keys used to not be required to be valid points.

So I do understand usability discussions and rewrites being justified. Each task would need to be scoped accordingly and declare why though ;) Seems like we agree there though

Happy to discuss this if you do want to continue down this path. Would be fun :D

* My aim was to use monero-rs for the node and the serai bulletproof and CLSAG were not built for monero-rs so porting would have to be done.

I actually didn't know about the epee library from jeffro256 but looking at it it looks similar to the epee-bin-serde lib in monero-rs which I tried to use but found it extremely hard to implement encoding for objects in which fields depend on other fields while still be able to parse data that can come in any order.

All in all I should have been way more clear in the proposal

<boog900[m]> "I closed the proposal" <- I know for a fact that many of us would like to have monerod and wallet-rpc in Rust. But you must know that CCS isn't run by community. Even though we vote in the community meetings, the core has the say over what gets merged or not. You've seen their boomer C++ dev attitude already (ironically the current C++ codebase is a not at all planned clusterfuck). If you need funding it might be worth

to try out MAGIC or setting up your own donation site. I'd gladly donate to you for a working PoC.

I'd also drop a few thousand for any alternative monerod that is not written by the core and in a language different than C++

They are scared that you will take their funds and people will stop contributing to the C++ implementation. Which will 100% happen when there is a working monerod in Rust. Nobody will prefer the C++ node and that's fine. Let it rot.

" when there is a working monerod in Rust" If there is, I will learn Rust to contribute. Honest.

But you know, just getting rid of boomer C++ dev attitudes will not get you there.

Attitudes don't result in code. Only coding results in code.

And did you see that this CCS alone would have asked for more than the current total of all Magic funds? Boomers think about such details :)

Bad attitude, I know.

Realism - we have heard about it. In the past. Today we have different attitudes :)

rbrunner: I didn't comment on the amount of funds he asked for did I? All I said was I would donate to him for a working PoC.

"If you need funding it might be worth to try out MAGIC". I refer to this.

Yeah he could narrow down his proposal to a working PoC, lower the amount of funds needed and try it out

Yeah, lol. As if you could write a sensible, useful and working PoC in less that 39 weeks :)

rbrunner: What about it? He can absolutely make a working PoC.

And that was *my* proposal, sort of, on GitLab, no? Making this into a PoC CCS, with the same amount if the community agrees with that.

Which it might.

I don't know, didn't see it

Too bad.

Though, I read the #monero room and got a terrible impression

What was terrible?

The things you are worried about :)

I don't agree with you at all

But that's fine

Sure. Things would never move forward if we all always happily agree and just confirm each other :)

so CCS is not community because core only follows community >95% of the time

.hmmm

do people is the irony in it?

this being monero and what its about?

We need a weekly remembrance day to dwell on the <5% ( perhaps a minute of silence at the opening of monerokon) lest we forget

s/is/see/

How could you ever forget me

<nioc> "so CCS is not community because..." <- It's more often than that. That's why alternatives exist.

nioc: n% = Luigi's vote

alternatives are good

the FFS was created to deal with the problem of accountability of payment

Wen solopt going to be finished

why was it started?

Because funding scammers is fun? How would I know

ccs for me to gamble. Asking for 200 xmr. If i make profit, 50% goes back to general fund /s

Monerobull gets it

Except mj got paid every penny that he expected for a finished product. Is soloptxmr goes unfinished, the proposer still got paid in full

(early) happy new year everyone, here's to the exact same bullshit as the last 2 years

Woopwoop

happy new year

happy NGU new year

remember 2023 is the year of the Monero exit scam

2023? What about haveno

Wasnt that 2022

and Tari?

Tari lol

I am still waiting to merge mine it :D

Wen mergemine wow

You can mine testnet and exchange coins for fun merch

monerobull[m]1: I have tari socks lol

That's pretty cool

How much are Uni Socks right now?

TIL Unisocks is an “experimental” non-fungible token (NFT) listed on the Uniswap exchange

You could burn it to receive real socks

At one point the nft went for like 20k

The price of 1 Unisocks currently costs $24,934.09.

satoshi is rolling in his grave rn

Rip

That's higher than i would have thought

CAN ANYONE TELL ME WHY I WOULD WANT RUST INSIDE OF MY MONERO NODE? IT SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD LIMIT THE PERFORMANCE

I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW YOU WOULD GET IRON OXIDE IN THE COMPUTER

You don't

It's going to eat up 400+ xmr

And then die a slow death without maintainance

THAT'S MORE XMR THAN ARE PRODUCED BY THE MONERO BLOCKCHAIN IN ONE DAY

huge if true

Imop not worth it

<monerobull[m]1> "ccs for me to gamble. Asking for..." <- Seems legit

I just read the CCS

IS JOHN CARMACK GOING TO REWRITE MONERO

AND ADD IN QUAKE 3 FUNCTIONALITY

Good game

Battle till the end

I think there might be a slight amount of poverty mindset about having multiple nodes

Obviously it's a gargantuan project, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't or couldn't be done

1 dev though who will make prs, review his own prs, merge his own prs

what could go wrong

write the theme song, sing the theme song, direct the theme song video and edit it

It's stupid

Just make implementation 0 the best one there is

Multiple implementations don't bring that much extra security

plowsof11: There are plenty of rust devs in the community already. Who are already writing libs that involve monerod functionality.

monerobull[m]1: Have you actually seen the current codebase? People don't want to touch it for a reason.

they can all come back with a viable proposal then and work together

farcaster crew should make a ccs when they're done with farcaster

That would be the best

they should work on seraphis

by the time you get a rust implementation it will no longer be relevant

What do you mean it will no longer be relevant?

What exactly won't be relevant?

We already have an atomic swap gui

And it's called basic swap

And they work on making xmr swaps work in both directions

oh goody, I get to show my ignorance

did they fix the bug you had?

Why the FUCK is funding a comit GUI even on the table

how much of the current code will be in seraphis?

plowsof11: Yeah, even recovered funds

the comit GUI still has one milestone left to complete of paid development

Can we just axe it and put the funds towards useful dev work

monero was originally written as fast as they could, scams can't wait

nothing to do with language

comit GUI was funded?

If your proposal progresses so slowly, new, better approaches turn up, i don't think we should keep funding it

ages ago yes

Proves my point

that's it, there is no hope for me

nioc: Rust is in the kernel and the upcoming GCC will include support for it.

imma opening a borolo rn