110% or else

* 110% uptime or else

bread has been replaced, thank you for your patience 🍞

0 days since a 'rewrite monerod in rust proposal' repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/373

only 50 hours, w0w

this one is " release a report on the different reasons for why we should and why we shouldn't write a Rust written node."

I'll rewrite it in AlgolW

AlgolW first appeared 57 years ago so is alot more proven than Rust, so its a good idea

if we could get sister universities involved in the preliminary study, (and perhaps a party to celerbrate at the end) and 1 or 3 monero tokens to test the new node with, it would have my upvote

keet app now out on mobile stores for testing

punch://jc38t9nr7fasay4nqfxwfaawywfd3y14krnsitj67ymoubiezqdy/yjxg5qyexmzqc9qbx156qo6ccoz94p14g7bkjxotzrbg69ti9f38j51jwyb87du9oa7yeirntyezncur5qq33w4azn8uzhmczgzxz77oyry964qj3h8acyeyybyngnpwynbwqp1js63egh7rgrkm5in9gtyxz4e6zs5srtjrkipr9588pptrhegxctua6a9ctiebng6jgrux5uns5utjbwi56zpsggopyh

thats apparently a room invite

does it have Monero in it

it barely has anything. looks like a MVP atm

it's older than 57 years

oh wait

wikipedia never lies

join it to test P2P encrypted chat yo

there is an appimage reelase that i havent tested too

waiting...

Please hold the line a monero dev will get too you shortly

A rust rewrite is completely unrealistic

a separate (and feature incomplete) node implementation might make sense as an experiment if someone is experienced in rust and has time

<kinghat[m]> "it barely has anything. looks..." <- With Bitcoin Lightning and USDt micropayments built-in, it's easy to implement and use powerful paid features in apps.

kinghat: source ?

"What parts are open sourced and where can code repositories be found?"

And interview question for them ^

Lololol

Yeet

Excuse me while I use discord

this is the p2p stuffs: github.com/holepunchto

no idea about the client

Keet source

Pretty sure jolepunch is an open source backend etc, but keet just uses it

Has nothing but already avmdvwrtising bitcoin lightning (talk about doing 0 research. Nobody uses lightnign, who are they advertising to? 6 people?)

i just wanted something to join and test

s/something/someone/

There a few briar-like app, and status messenger

Maybe status servers are an idea for molly

Hey guys, I want to crowdsource a line from you all. In the video script I'm working on, the second paragraph has a voice-over line that says "Monero is a free and open-source payment system for secure and private transactions". Feedback from a non-user on this line was, 'Explain how it is free. What's the catch?!'. Now, this question is not about individual transactions: the fees are addressed later. The suspicion is about why

the product as a whole is free and has no profit structure.

We all know the answer, but I was hoping someone could help think of a single concise sentence that explains it. It's important to get it right, because there are so many scams out there that people get suspicious if something appears too good to be true. And make sure it's borderline Shakespearean, or risk the wrath of ofrnxmr

Here's a link to the full thing, for reference

gitlab.com/monero-videos/monero-ado…Use%20Monero%20for%20Commerce%3F.md

i feel like im learning a generic spiel about 'cryptocurrency' rather than Monero itself

something brief on how monero differentiates itself from 'things that use the blockchain' "Monero places a strong emphasis on transaction confidentiality, using advanced encryption and verification techniques developed and improved since its inception in 2014. This ensures the privacy of both transaction details and account balances, earning Monero its reputation as a tool for financial privacy and freedom. " this is the only Monero

part

are monero transactions traceable? are the privacy features on by default or opt-in?

what does " independence from sovereign states" actually mean

"no central authority or printing facility." what is tail emission? does monero print coins forever? whats all that about

coinbase tx's

Could stick "maintained by volunteers" in there somewhere maybe if you're looking specifically to squash the knee-jerk "what's the catch?" fear.

"why use cryptocurrency" vs why use monero

i like how you're adding video prompts in with the script 👍️

plowsof: I think we should consider that your local cafe owner or t-shirt printing site doesn't care to hear about ring signatures, stealth addresses, RandomX, Pedersen commitments, etc. We have the video series on the same channel that answers these types of things, which will be linked. In my view, time should be allocated to fill the niche which has yet to be addressed, which is the perspective of the merchant. Deeper

investigation into the exact subtleties of tracing the transaction graph, coinbase tx issuance rate, opt-in vs default privacy, and things of that nature, can be done at the viewer's leisure and depending on their level of curiosity. Adding a line that specifically directs the viewer to browse through the description notes for further details could be good.

Please go to a shop owner (as I have), start talking about Monero, and observe at what point they stop listening.

As for the feedback I mentioned, any idea there? (thanks BusyBoredom , 'volunteers' should be in there)

<selsta> "a separate (and feature incomple..." <- Wow you just saved that ccs guy 50 hours of his time

Can someone close out the ccs

A real rust ccs should be at least 5000 hours

accepting monero as a merchant means you are forcing a level of 'reasonable privacy' onto your customer that they otherwise wouldn't benefit from when using another coin. my local kebab owner just asked me 'how do i turn MON-erros into fiat? is there liquidity for that? can i sell it/use it for anything?

you're selling me cryptocurrency not monero here

plowsof11: These exact questions are addressed in the later videos, so let's hold off on that until we get there. I agree that they are important, which is why video 5 is dedicated to it entirely.

tainted coins etc? merchants should know some actual benefits of monero

sovereign blabla

feels like more of an intro to cryptocurrency, but that is also important for merchants who have no idea, so it's needed, just feels a bit like you're hiding that monero is the only ting that provides most of that

isnt*

i see video 5 is "What to do with Monero revenue?" 👍️

Is there a tool, online or offline, that allows me to input a stealth address, and the tool lists all the transactions that the stealth address was used as a ring member in? I thought that any Monero blockchain explorer would be capable of doing this, but apparently not.... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…67ad2a711292e7a664ca22a1a814fa3a198>)

The Monero GUI Wallet seems to be incapable of doing this too. It would be a useful feature to have in the wallets so that users would be able to know what the public sees about their TXO's.

s/the//

<dsmlegend[m]> "These exact questions are..." <- Chiming in on this, if you make a video, please make the visuals a bit less corporate than the video on getmonero.org

The getmonero.org video's art style is very similar to the infamous corporate art movement

cockliuser[m]: This would be a comment for the animator savandra . But can you have a look at some of his previous work on this video: youtube.com/watch?v=6DQb0cMvU7I&t=1s and compare with his recent sneak-peaks here: repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…als/-/merge_requests/308#note_20552

<cockliuser[m]> "Chiming in on this, if you..." <- please check the current visuals reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/10nfjb…video_update_on_the_new_3d_concepts

<plowsof11> "0 days since a 'rewrite monerod..." <- He totally gets it wrong. The reason why anybody would rewrite the current monero isn't because Go and Rust are trendy languages. It's not true that the current codebase is clean either like he claims lol.

Never trust anyone who says OwO

<savandra[m]> "please check the current visuals..." <- That definitely looks cool! Maybe the boxes could be a bit more level as the current leveling looks a bit abstract

The only person's opinion on rust node i trust is kayaba

Let's rewrite it in c first :3

<plowsof11> "what does " independence from..." <- Filler

<plowsof11> ""no central authority or..." <- Filler

plowsof: What do you think of the following revised paragraph. I am trying to be very careful to not telegraph the message of "hey, you can use Monero to get away with crime" or "you could help a criminal dispose of his blood money", but dig into the tendency for businesses to be highly risk averse. As in, "trouble won't show up at your door". Also remember that the animations can be creatively leveraged here to really bring

across the point of no tracing ("show, don't tell").

Monero prioritizes transaction confidentiality through its use of sophisticated encryption and verification methods developed and improved since its inception in 2014. This not only ensures the privacy of transaction information and account balances, but also provides recipients with added peace of mind by making each transaction separate and not linked to previous activities. Transaction authors have the option to voluntarily

create auditable digital receipts for optional transparency, which can be independently checked in case of disputes **[show here an animation that clearly illustrates that the transactor issues the receipt (tx proof) deliberately]**. This is critical in the absence of a central authority for appeals.

ofrnxmr[m]: If you think that's filler, you haven't considered living in an unfriendly sovereign state that wants to absolutely keep you dependent on their CBDC.

The premise isnt filled. You just threw in words for the sake of it

Its not explained and no "shop owner" has any idea wtf youre trying to say there

1 sec. Editing that paragraph you sent

Monero prioritizes transaction confidentiality through its use of sophisticated encryption and verification methods developed and improved **upon** since its inception in 2014. This not only ensures the privacy of transaction information and account balances, but also provides recipients with added peace of mind by making each transaction <s>separate and not linked</s> to previous activities.

**^repeats**

Ffs its so bad

Transaction authors have the **option** to **voluntarily** create auditable digital receipts for **optional** transparency, which can be independently checked in case of disputes

Say 3 times that thus feature is optional, manual, opt in

4 times*

Transaction authors have the option to voluntarily create auditable digital receipts for optional transparency, which can be independently checked in case of disputes

Same paragraph uses 19 metaphors for audit / receipt

Feature, not a bug. This is not code that you want to make efficient, it's educational material for someone unfamiliar with the product. alert-software.com/blog/repetition-in-communication

Look. You have the option to choose to decide if youd like to

Its not bad when the repitition isnt mindless drivel

Your not repeating / driving home important topics or gaining attention. Its just terrible writing

I tie my shoes so they are tied and and ties shoes arent untied

s/and/tied/, s/ties//

<ofrnxmr[m]> "I hate to complain and not..." <- Evidence is mounting that this is, in fact, untrue. Will all the effort spent on quoting, bolding, writing short parodies, you could have offered your own version of the 100 word paragraph instead.

Pay me lmfso

You're clearly not capable to producing a script. Why should I do your homework for you when its THIS bad.

Edits border on a _complete_ rewrite.

* You're clearly not capable to producing a quality script, or voice actor. The graphics look better now, but thats comparing to the animatic.

Why should I / amyond do your homework for you when its THIS bad. Thus is paid work, quoted at $400/minute !

Edits border on a _complete_ rewrite.

I was not, nor proposed being the voice actor.

You were not what? paid?

The low-end fee is about $50 per minute, so a 10-minute training video could bring you $500 for the project. The average pay, however, is closer to $250 a minute, so as experience increases, the same can be said for your rates. Educational scripts can pay almost twice this rate, with the low-end fee at $100 per minute. Now, you’re looking at a $1,000 payday for a 10-minute video.

$250/min is my rate

Also you can always pay a copywriter on Fiverr to help

I did not voice the animatic and as far as I know we haven't settled on how to source the voice acting for the final video just yet. It's a separate job which I am not involved in.

As for the rates. Five videos for total 45 XMR. One video comes to 9 XMR. Proposal specified 10% (0.9 XMR) per video for "script development (price for mngm the community-sourced script)". I did not write or approve this proposal. The animator simply invited me to take this role.

But I do not take it personally anyway, because I've seen some of your other interactions ofrnxmr and it is clear that you entertain yourself by being generally obnoxious. I am sure you have other valuable skills, but constructive feedback, general helpfulness, or even decorum are not among those, from what I've seen. Unless you feel that you are interested in making a meaningful contribution (as you said, you are not obligated

to do so), let's not keep wasting screen space. No more of this.

Welcome to being party to my interactions

Im being nice 🥲

Probably shouldnt write terrible scripts and then ask for feedback

Most people dont want to tell you his bad it is.

Why even ask for feedback? Did I start this whole "wtf is this shit" (Yes, yes I did)

People only shit on your video because they thought it was mine and terriible

I'm a shit writer personally but I understand when there are too many revisions to a script, it kinda turns out badly and you're too exhausted to see it as it is

<Siren[m]> "Also you can always pay a..." <- So maybe it's a good idea to find one of these people, tell them the key points and what to avoid in the script.

Yes, I have planned more revision and feedback outside of the Monero community after first collecting insider feedback. No point polishing just to come back and hear that key points were incorrect.

Despite posting six times on reddit, we unfortunately got almost no comments on the document when it was still in dot-point format.

I have a very important question.

Do accept ofrnxmr invite

The answer could effect space time continuum

lol

<DanIsnotthemanBr> "I have a very important question..." <- For me?

Dontasktoask.com 🫣

If you follow it up with the question it is fine no?

Why is getmonero.org down?

core are fixing things ~ dependency / OS upgrades 🙏

don't be expecting to see any difference when its back online though

dsmlegend "if it's not fungible, it's not money" as you say yourself, so hopefully that point is explained to the merchant concisely in video 1. This is what cryptocurrency is. This is why you should use monero.

<monerobull[m]1> "If you follow it up with the..." <- Sure, but I dont see the question

I guess this is more of Nohello.net

Hi sorry to bother you. Could anyone post on reddit my ccs proposal to discuss? (repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/373). I've an account but I've like 2 karma so I'm shadowban. Thx to anyone who can help me or discuss about it.

it's your job to create hype for your ccs proposal someoneelse495495

link the reddit thread you create and link it here for approval

we've been through the emotional trauma of the other Rust proposal, which you have seen, and im sure read the logs of.

-dev do not want a report about the benefits of Rust

they know already.

plowsof11: i would like but my reddit thread have been removed automatically.

If you have the link it can be approved

Please share the link

monerobull @monerobull:matrix.org:

<plowsof11> "we've been through the emotional..." <- I knew people are just harassing for either RIIR, but in my case i don't really want to start something. It will be an explanatory job for people that wish an alternative implementation it in the future

s/either//

what does RIIR mean

didn't wanted to awake bad memories

plowsof11: Rewrite it in Rust. It's a meme

SIIR

(Someone > thats an inside joke)

someoneelse495495: May be useful: moneroresearch.info/index.php?actio…n=resource_RESOURCEVIEW_CORE&id=128

needmoney90 @needmoney90:matrix.org:

Rucknium[m]: Thx you

is getmonero.org maintenance complete?

downloads are working again so it seems like all is well, no confirmation yet tho sgp

<ofrnxmr[m]> "monerobull @monerobull:matrix...." <- Sorry wasn't home

Is it approved already?

monerobull[m]1: Approved it

thanks ⭐️

someoneelse495495: you're live

Should build a Lil rust team

I call it..

The Monerust Project

Im hinting that previous ccs proposer (and others) might actually be able to collab to a benefit

<plowsof11> "downloads are working again so..." <- please ping me when you confirm so I can update on twitter

<ofrnxmr[m]> "Should build a Lil rust team..." <- I'm assembling a crew

Man you know I've already retired.

One last job

You son of a bitch, I'm in

sech1: will the new daemon timeout flag also come to xmrig-proxy?

Appears to be working as expected btw

yes, xmrig/xmrig-proxy #530

Awesome, thanks

I believe these fixes should also help with scaling, by attempting to keep the tx pool near empty after a block is mines

Instead of always having 30+ seconds worth of tx in the pool

mempool size = transactions/second * average time for a tx to be mined

if average time is reduced, mempool size will also be reduced

<monerobull[m]1> "Approved it" <- thx dude

> <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> I call it..

> The Monerust Project

let's go!

> <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> You're clearly not capable to producing a quality script, or voice actor. The graphics look better now, but thats comparing to the animatic.... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…5e3128fc2b118d63df027ac7e31bb196f15>)

I dont need to have any graphics capabilities to read your reddit post

Arrogance has nothing to do with paying for trash

Dont present garbage and I wont call it garbage, k?

What was your original rate? Absurd is what it was considering every step of the way is a learning experience

ofrnxmr[m]: You can open call for a public vote to drop this gig any time, it's an open community. What's stopping you?

ofrnxmr[m]: You can call it anything you want

<savandra[m]> "You can open call for a public..." <- If thats on the table, maybe I will

I have no ill will towards the project and dont hope for you to fail. Itd an already funded proposal, im more on the side of hoping for the best

Hope for the best expect the worst

someoneelse495495 just wanna say I like your enthusiasm for an alternate implementation 👍️ There are lots of rust fans here. I think the report idea isn't gonna get a lot of traction though because knowledge and motivation aren't really factors stopping a rust rewrite -- manpower is. The report would just be solving a problem we don't have.

Tbh better off being a feasibility study if anything.

hinto has updated GUPAX with the latest p2pool binaries github.com/hinto-janaiyo/gupax/releases/tag/v1.1.1 👍️