hello, not sure where i need to ask this question...my 0.17.2.3 linux wallet will no longer sync (rejected by remote daemon). Rather than upgrade on that device, I tried to restore from keywords -and got an empty wallet.

restore on another device with 0.18

Use the correct restore height

I did. i kept the key words and the restore height

Correct. 17.2.3 no longer worksn

ruxmr[m]: You entered restore height incorrectly 👍

Why would one want to use a private payment method?

I then checked the restore height in the 0.17 wallet and it showed a different restore height than my records....tried with the restore height from the 0.17 and got an empty wallet on 0.18

plowsof 🔨 ^

Do you have a rough idea when you created the wallet?

s/^/(justinestrada)/

I also noticed that optiion of wallet creation date in 0.18 i used the directory creation date on the 0.18 version and got an empty wallet again

directory being the wallet directory on linu

why do scammers try shit here, probably the dumbest place

upgrading the software on the other device to 0.18 would be tricky because voidlinux didn't have a monero wallet in their repository then, so i downloaded it to the device (using 0.17)

what would happen to my wallet if I upgraded the executables on the 0.17 device?

Heres what ya gotta do

Are you using monero GUI? Or CLI

monero-wallet-gui voidlinux

i can use the cli if i need to

Use gui

In the new v18 wallet, what does it show for the restore height?

<ruxmr[m]> "upgrading the software on the..." <- Void linux has monero wallet in repository. That's how I installed it.

um, well i deleted each failed wallet restore attempt: attempt one: used keywords and handwritten restore height (failed) also used old password to create it.

Siren[m]: you are corret

correct

also had it back in 0.17

but when I installed it, is wasn't in the repository

ruxmr[m]: What is the handwritten restore heihht

so I downloaded a deb and yanked the files out

Hey bud

Do you want to solve your problem or just talk about notjing

<ruxmr[m]> "what would happen to my wallet..." <- nothing probably, just make sure you have the seed

What is your restore height

ofrnxmr[m]: one moment

Siren[m]: Dont trust the seed if they cant copy the height

uno momento

I used a 0.17 wallet with 0.18 monero-wallet-rpc server before and it works

Yes, it works

I don't remember exactly but it might have migrated the wallet to a newer format automatically

i am decrypting my old notes

But he said he delete and moved and did who KnowS what

Just

Open v18 gui

And read the height from there

Just restore it from a random height, approximate it with a hefty margin

Plowsof can for give directions to the setting please

or don't provide it at all

go to bed and when you wake up your funds will be there :)

Unless you're in one of those unfortunate countries where you pay per MB, for dialup internet

restoring a wallet from scratch yes? im at the ready

After confirming its actually "synchronizing" and not "syncronized"

ruxmr: you have v18 gui open? (With seed restored)

plowsof11: I had like 5 wallet key files but no cache for testing. One had >1 XMR inside and I couldn't remember which one.

I restore from zero

based

ruxmr how is it going?

<ofrnxmr[m]> "What is your restore height..." <- the restore height for 0.17 handwritten was 2460000

Make a calendar that shows height for each day of a year at 00:00 UTC

perfect ruxmr

when I checked the 0.17 after the first failure, it showed 2460938

And what does v18 show

I cannot tell you what the 0.18 said it was after the failed restore because I deleted all failed wallet restorations

are we restoring a wallet from keys or mnemonic seed sir?

ruxmr[m]: So restore fresh

okay. what method do you want me to use for this restore?

Open v18 gui

then click Restore wallet from keys or mnemonic seed

on main menu (if wallet is open then you gotta close it by clicking top left ->] looking thing)

<Siren[m]> "image.png" <- What's up with that "monero-core-0.16.0.3"?

OG whale doxxed

ofrnxmr[m]: opened

I have the blockchain local plowsof wants me to use Restotore option you too?

yes you are going to restore from your menmonic seed

so using the Restore wallet from keys or mnemonic

😭yes

local blockchain + using v0.17 previously makes my eye twitch

hopefully everything is ok

I've given it a name "restore2" now I'll enter the 25 keywords

ok , and then in the restore height box 2460000

days since v0.17 user is 2 days, are we resetting it to 0 again already?

the gui just locked up on me.... I noticed it lock up on me so i changed the autolock in 10 min to off...but it still locked up on me right now ...one second

plowsof11: 1 day sir

ruxmr[m]: Just wait

If youre using local node, it has to start the node, sync the node, then sync the wallet

okay now using 2460000

asking for a password. do I create a new one or use the old one for 0.17?

Up to you

unrelated, use any password you want

okay

now have daemon settings...I used start a node -do it again?

in settings -> node what do yo usee 'stop daemon' or 'start daemon'

Title: Daemon settings. two radio button choices: Start a node automatically in background (recommended) Connect to a remote node

you should know I have monerod running

so it's syncd

stop daemon yes?

ruxmr[m]: What version of monerod 💀

if yo usee Stop daemon then you're running one. what do you want to do

there is no stop daemon button. I can kill it from a console if you want

there are two choices I listed above

are you running ./monerod externally?

Rux I think we need to elevate you to lvl 2 tech support

lol

it is on the new device. this new void linux box is running 0.18

let me find the exact version

ignore --prune-blockchain sir

that is when you have the wallet created not while trying to recover

do yo usee this?

Oh ok you are in the create wallet final screen(s)

version 0.18.1.2

leave Start a node automatically selected and click ok

Next*

so I am choosing the first option and clicking next to get to the screen you are referring to

😭yes

It hurts

To know that he thinks im looking at gui right now

Youre all set up!

click create wallet

wallet name

Ofrnxmr

is already there with the path and the restore height along with the Network type which is listed as Mainnet

two buttons: create wallet and previous

clicking create wallet

Previous

Since you didnt listen to plowsof

what !!!!????

Sarcasm

Yes,, clock create wallet

plowsof11: ^^^^

wait, where are you now ruxmr

"At home"

it's asking me for the password I just created for the new wallet

Enter it

breathe

calm

I cant

everyone please calm down

shows wallet with daemon blocks remaining 1158812

but empty

nice!

Have to wait for sync

Is there anything else plowsof can help you with today Sir?

if I could have used the prune option I would've but on the restore option, it isn't there

Ah yes. The prune option

<plowsof11> "Screenshot from 2023-02-19 00-59..." <- Its on this screen

if your blockchain has used prune-blockchain in the past? then its already pruning as we speak sir

Yes, plowsof is correct Sir

on the new device, i went with the full block chain on mainnet....took half a day but it synced

so prbly not???

awesome

And you can add that flag if you want and stop -- then wait -- start the node

How would you rate the service you received today?

Gold stars or gold xmrs?

[m...............o........o]/10

you guys are doing great given my slow reaction time and not being sure about who to listen to

Good job plowsof

so you can laugh allllll you want cause I'm glad to get help on this one

im crying

Sane

* Same

I couldnt the words

by the way, know that the restore process created a new wallet, I can get to the Node setting

Edit a lil

Not sure what that says

Oh, youre just thinking out loud

Guys I want to start with Monero, I have the Monero gui app installed

😭

Hi dani

How dani we be if assistance

Hi of

Can we*

ofrnxmr[m]: I want to know how can I get started with using Monero as a currency, for example how do I convert money in it?

I have an account

Convert what sort of money?

Cash money?

you have an account ... where

plowsof11: On the official Monero gui app

Ok nice.

ofrnxmr[m]: No from my debt card

That isnt technically an "account" but it is a wallet that has accounts (like bank accounts) inside of it

Please have patience I never used this stuff before

dani-g5x[m]1: Do you know what KYC is? Is this your first crypto?

dani-g5x[m]1: No problem, we all start somewhere

ofrnxmr[m]: dani-g5x:

Next question would be, are you comfortable with kyc? And if you have other crypto, that makes things a lot easier

any good android monero clients?

Wallets?

Yes

Cakewallet.com monero.com stackwallet.com

that too, i gussz

Monerujo.io

Mill[m]: What is a client

* that too, i guess

what you just sent

i meant wallets

should i get the multi coin wallet if i wanna exchange monero to BTC

Cakewallet has btc, ltc and xmr

And built in swaps, though I highly recommend using trocador.app for the swaps

if you get the monerujo android wallet, you can sideshift btc to xmr

where can i get thaf

Dont listen to ruxmr

Use trocador.app

s/thaf/that/

why?

Mill[m]: Monerujo.io but Sideshift is like % fees

12%

Dont use that trash

Use trocador.app for the third time

the minimum is 0.0003 on trocador

i want 0.00025

And cake has a few built in as well, like changenow.io which has better rates than Sideshift as well. Not as good as trocador though

$5?

Tradeogre

0.00039 is minimum on fixedfloat

yeah

You're not going to have much luck finding a swap for BITCOIN worth $5

Bitcoin is broken. Can probably do it with ltc

Capitalized because I specifically mean bitcoin

yeah well it's not my choice

Well whoever is requesting $5 of btc made a poor choice in life

Tell them to accept xmr or accept the debt 👍

Bitcoin broken, sorry, we'll try again when ordinals dont exist

* "Bitcoin broken,, * dont exist "

craig wright is still shilling monero on twitter

link pls

i can't just do that

lmao

e.g. twitter.com/Dr_CSWright/status/1627006567051583497

Mill[m]: Thats what Bitcoin said

haha

I thought he had more followers tbh

sorry for tw*tter links sisters this is an emergency

why isnt he talking about another coin :$

>Yet, these individuals understand this.

However what they want to promote is money-laundering, drug crime and any illicit activity that they can justify in their own little minds

Satoshi said were beldex

<ofrnxmr[m]> "Do you know what KYC is? Is this..." <- No and yes

> <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> dani-g5x:

> Next question would be, are you comfortable with kyc? And if you have other crypto, that makes things a lot easier

I never used that

KYC is the process of giving id to an exchange to be allowed to purchase crypto - is this something your comfortable with?

plowsof11: there is no emergency

s/your/youre/

ofrnxmr[m]: I'd probably be able to use it, problem is I have no idea what is this

You have 2 options:

1. Follow signup procedure at an exchange, involving kyc aka identification

or

2. Use localmonero or bisq to buy off of a real person without id, or a crypto atm

Or,3. If you know someone in real life that has crypto, they can buy it for you

> <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> You have 2 options:... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…62b78d0009bdfd2ca180f93921cd2a48361>)

ofrnxmr[m]: I don't sadly

Definitely is more private, and preferred, but less convenient

I've left so many conveniences about tech lol

Localmonero.co is a good option if you dont want to install anything

If it's for privacy no issues in losing some convenience

ofrnxmr[m]: Ok, thanks for the help :)

I also recommemd mobile wallets

ofrnxmr[m]: I have a desktop one

You can use the same seed across multiple wallet apps

Though, only use trusted ones

Cakewallet.com, Monero.com are good and safe

ofrnxmr[m]: How do I know what can be trusted? What is a valid source?

I dont recomment the "remote synchronization" wallets

Edge

Mymonero

Cake wallet supports multiple coins, Monero.com is the exact same app by the same company, but for monero only

I wish monero.* was for monero project

seriously, first time I downloaded a monero wallet, I did search-query : Download monero.... First link was getmonero.org.... I was kind of.. hmm, is getmonero legit or some scam to feed me scam-wallets...

I wasted time to do extra research to confirm getmonero was not a scam...

when prune-block chain is used, what is removed?

RavFX[m]: not really, you did what you need to do

I'm trying out Jitsi and it's really good :D

when automatic money counters got network jacks and wifi, even cash is not so private -thank all of you coding xmr!

sry, make that coding on the xmr project

just use an open source monero atm instead atm.monero.is

nice!

i shoud've came to this forum in 2021

join us in prague if you can monerokon.com

plowsof11: i will if i can recover my wallet -lmao!!!!

block remaining 537849..... btw how come the daemon didn't keep the blockchain up to date...pretty sure I left it running all day after it syncd???

wait an hour - is the number smaller? yes? wait another hour

too true

time passes sir

more blocks are mined , more transactions are made

okay, but i thought if I left the daemon running and connected to wifi, it would catch new transactions too

maybe I've missed a setting?

The daemon keeps tracks of new blocks and transactions, but it has no idea which transactions are yours.

When your wallet comes online, it has to get all the new transactions from the daemon and check them all to see if any are relevant to you. I'm guessing this is what you're waiting on right now?

"When your wallet comes online, it has to get all the new transactions from the daemon... " hence the two sync bars, one for the wallet, and one for the daemon....but i am waiting on the daemon to receive more blocks. let me give a time line.

installed 0.18 on new laptop 9am. then set for full local block chain -well over 1 milliion blocks.... took the daemon until noon or a little later to get all the blocks. then the wallet synced

after the wallet synced, I exited the wallet and choose to let the daemon continue to run in the gui

so i expected the daemon to have all the blocks when i tried the restore wallet

Ah alright, yep you're right that's what the two sync bars are for and yes you're right to think that your daemon should have stayed synchronized.

You mention that you are using a laptop. Is it possible that your laptop went to sleep at some point? Most laptops shut off networking during sleep to save power.

very well could be....I thought the screen was just shutting off....don't really have sleep mode enabled nor the software installed for sleep mode -it is new hardware so maybe it did

That's my best guess. The daemon should definitely continue synchronizing as long as it is able to when left on, so I doubt you misconfigured anything.

purchase a cat - they are incredibly good and pressing keys while the laptop is open

to prevent from sleeping

plowsof11: oh hell no

I like cats as long as they are someone else's in someone else's house

oh. i did pull the plug on my router for about 1 hour then plugged it back in....the laptop regains wifi but what about the daemon?

ruxmr you're killing me

plowsof11: whaaaat????? just saying...and yep, when I leave the house, I pull that plug

The daemon would reconnect as soon as wifi was restored, but your laptop's reconnection to wifi definitely could have been delayed by it being asleep

If you want a fun weekend side project someday, I highly recommend setting up your own remote daemon on a VPS. That way you get to have your cake and eat it too -- it always stays synchronized, and you don't have to trust anyone else's node.

the options on this software are incredible -really! to have the mining option built in too! sweet.

about the remote daemon on a VPS: I thought if i ran my node and used the public option i could connect to it this way...

so I'll need to look into this option you've mentioned

i was going to run an OS off a non-rewritable CD so if my box is hacked, i can clear the ram, check the bios, and reboot

and use this box as a minining node with removable storage

....461275 blocks remaining....

> I thought if i ran my node and used the public option i could connect to it this way

Yep that's right, I think we're talking about the same thing. Running a node (i.e. daemon) on a VPS (or any other always-online server option) and then connecting to it like you would any other public remote node.

if the hardware isn't mine, i'm suspicious. when the hardware is mine, I'm still suspicious

This is the best guide I know of for getting it setup: sethforprivacy.com/guides/run-a-monero-node-advanced

We love some healthy suspicion here, no worries :) This kinda setup works great on your own hardware too so long as you've got a globally-accessible IP address (assuming you want to connect from outside your local network).

uh-oh now i feel the urge to write running a node using runit ...glad seth put out the systemd scripts as most distros use it now

Apparently btc and xmr have the same anonymity :/

This is made by an idiot

Fiat has less fungibility than BTC my ass

How do you score an a+ on privacy and an f on anonymity, or vice versa

And fiat is faster than monero? My ass

Man, brain hurts. Need to forget about that image

> <@123bob123:matrix.org> reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/114f685/where_does_monero_stand

>

> Apparently btc and xmr have the same anonymity :/

Speed is wrong. Fiat (SWIFT) transfers take up to a week, monero takes ~20 mins

Monero takes under 30 seconds to arrive.

Fiat doesnt takes days at best

s/doesnt//

Bank transfers can take few months to arrive

Monero ~3min for 1st confirmation and +~20 min until 10 confirmations, far faster than fiat

Stnby[m]: Also you get dehumanized by bank employees or the state meanwhile.

fighting the deluge of lies would require a bot net....but what concerns me is a firewall like the great firewalll of china

#monero-offtopic:monero.social

have mesh networks begun to be used in private networks?

sry

Np. More #monero:monero.social but quiet morning.

Try not to go too far off topic but go ahead

...ok .....if there are independent networks (mesh is one) then the medium of exchange cannot be blocked for xmr

The issue isnt medium of exchange, but nodes not being isolated

...i mispoke but you caught my meaning.....would be nice for there to be a global mesh network ...if there isn't already?

Haha, even 3 years after failure the project website is still online: locha.io

Background reading for a slow Sunday: repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/115

thks so many have tried in the past, didn't know about these

<rbrunner> "Haha, even 3 years after failure..." <- why did it fail?

matrix p2p protocol acts as a mesh network over BLE

idk but suspect the issue is each buyer is too far away from the nearest other buyer of their hardware device

range capability

Siren[m]: yeah but there are plenty of matrix users, so it might be possible to leverage it for monero tx broadcasting/sync

<salami donators!> Bros rlly smoking dick

<salami donators!> Guy who made the chart said xmr is as private as btc

s/private/anonymous/

<salami donators!> *anonymous

<salami donators!> Even worse

<salami donators!> Like how is btc anonymous when even the coins have history???

Yo salami

Why r u posting here, youre banned

Siren[m]: I think work on it just stopped at a given point in time, and things vanished, with no clear explanation why

oof

<Siren[m]> "yeah but there are plenty of..." <- Well me and Stnby are thinking of making a standalone matrix relay that can run on esp32. Maybe something can be done for Monero too.

so people can plant this relatively cheap board in random places

<rbrunner> "Siren: I think work on it just..." <- it was a cool idea, but is technically unfeasable. The data rate possible with LORA is tiny, so I doubt that even a remote wallet would be usable

still have hopes on wifi halow, but as of now there are no mass produced commercial products with it

esp32 might have support for it in the future

then probably [pinecone](matrix-org.github.io/pinecone)

different frequency range, different modulation, only the same software stack on the backend

did find a devkit though: aliexpress.com/item/1005004566829120.html?

they definitely need to make a new board for supporting this yeah

and netfowrk bridge: aliexpress.com/item/1005002927477262.html

s/netfowrk/network/

Siren[m]: those don't have 900mhz radio

new silicon rather

<Siren[m]> "so people can plant this..." <- ...or plant the cheap boards at strategic places with long histories at www.ic.org ...tamera.org is kinda isolated in Portugal geographically ....maybe dancingrabbit.org is too

but the idea would be to find a network of these long standing places then focus on that particular geographical area as a release area rather than just trying for full global release all at once

could be broadcast from these long standing places 50mi to 70mi radius and do focused geographical releases creating bridges from one org to another

80km to 100km range for powerful boards, 25km for less powerful boards

once a geographical area has a 150km radius 'skeleton', then release a mesh app for android and apple

then the smaller dev kits will start to pop

not sure how to span the atlantic ocean though, much less the pacific

then my xmr will live free and not firewalled off some how

the large stations could have LiFePO4 batts with wind and solar at the stable locations

old 2G, 3G, 4G cell phones with small solar panels would do it for the adventurous in cities ....ban me now for civil disobedience and littering though

#monero-offtopic:monero.social free to post that all day

Lots of people would respond there

Because, its not logged

Can be more open

ofrnxmr[m]: Logged on monerologs*

got carried away 123 blocks remaining on my daemon ...thks for the logless option

The most active people in here are Also in there

k, will compose a short text there later

off-topic not logged lolol

Is it on monerologs?

Central logging only

Yupp

if plowsof is in your room, he's logging you

k

NSFW TMI

new monero release soon 🙏

dont log me bro!

noted :D

yeah little much log for the newbie

<nioc> "off-topic not logged lolol" <- You know all the users in this room right?

You are certain a few are not logging bot from 3 letters agencies?

What's funny is that the room is not encrypted so any user can get room chat history just by entering the room

are you saying that matrix logs?

prbly saying this is clear text

Yes it is clear text

doesn't happen when joining via irc unless you have a bouncer

ofrnxmr[m]: unless i'm typing

Matrix log unencrypted room so user who join the room can get room history

users on matrix can log too (so anyone who want to look monero chat just have to join with a user then log everything

sirs this is not crypted?

It us not sir

Same with discord, only difference is that matrix is not owned and controlled by woke zealots

Is*

thks RavFX late night for me ...threw caution to the wind trying to avoid THE LOG

It's TLS encrypted but no more.

Thing is, anyone can join the room

anyone can get chat history just by joining room

If room was encrypted, it would prevent new user to get chat history

but still, assume 3 letters agencies users are already in the channel so encrypting it now would probably do no good

whats real anymore

Also plowsof

i am sorry

no worries a log's gotta do what a log's gotta do

just not for me

116 block remaining....

um my block count just went up to 124 blocks my daemon is waiting for

sync_info

And what height

sry ...checking

149.202.77.209:63619 7/181 (2825454 - 2825460, 462 kB) 492 kB/s (0.23)

45.134.140.41:48702 5/181 (2825461 - 2825465, 126 kB) 427 kB/s (0.2)

from log 1

or do I run a command to get syn_iinfo

?

In Monerod terminal window

oh. in "Type a command" yeeesh

literally just wait for it to finish.

>>> status

[2/19/23 10:39 AM] 2023-02-19 10:39:17.803 I Monero 'Fluorine Fermi' (v0.18.1.2-unknown)

Height: 2825341/2825466 (99.9%) on mainnet, not mining, net hash 2.83 GH/s, v16, 12(out)+9(in) connections, uptime 0d 16h 58m 8s

blocks remaining would remain constant if the blockchain ceased activity

out_peers 100

plowsof11: k, but know waiting on 126 blocks

*now waiting

great

* out_peers 30

this is not the ruxmr blocks remaining room

all right then 🤪

ofrnxmr[m]: Run this though

>>> out_peers 30

[2/19/23 10:43 AM] 2023-02-19 10:43:13.633 I Monero 'Fluorine Fermi' (v0.18.1.2-unknown)

Max number of out peers set to 30

Didnt need output, but thanks.

`print_net_stats` if you need to see upload/download speeds, and `sync_info` will have a line that should say "mooooooooooo" with downloaded blocks beneath it

keep out peers at default

nioc: reasoning?

I forget, something something network, but that is what is reccommend in -dev,

increasing may be valid for initial sync

in certain senarios

scenarios **

Its because not many people have incoming open and it uses up bandwidth of other nodes

But poor incoming connections means he could have very poor outgoing peers

The "on the fly" flag doesnt persist restarts, it us only yo look for 18 more nodes so he can fund 1 which will finish the sync

Height: 2825345, target: 2825470 (99.9956%)

Downloading at 14 kB/s

30 peers

...but didn't see mooooo -odd?

sync_info has no moooooooo? (Not possible)

This is a workgroup channel. #monero-support:monero.social for support.

Ruck, its been a rough 48hrs. Lol

<Rucknium[m]> "This is a workgroup channel. #..." <- thks, and sry didn't find the above group when i first loaded matrix or would've used that

Pinned in the group description I think 👍

Oh.. no.. Plowsof can you add?

Thank you

added 👍️ but links dont work for some reason here, will have a look

I see community-meeting-to-discuss-ccs-merge-list-16:00-UTC-Saturday-17th-December-monero-project/meta #767

long time until Dec 17

20...24

ive lost OP on irc (probably because i-made-topics-like-this)

i am "plowsof" now though (that was an issue)

i thought I was plowsof?

Plowsof is my alt, actually

so i'm you too?

we are one

we r morono

im moony

> *morono*

xD

Hey folks

Nohello.net

> nohello.net

> Checking if the site connection is secure

> Enable JavaScript and cookies to continue

Ha, no

Ok, how about this

#monero-offtopic:monero.social

ofrnxmr[m]: Am already there buddy. But thanks for the invitation.