Yeah that's why you don't order it from the pizza-sushi-kebab kiosk

<salami donators!> I bought it from a mosque made by the turkey government

<salami donators!> I had simit from there for the first time (it was good)

Turkish gov made mosque baklava sounds awful actually

<salami donators!> Most of their food is good

<salami donators!> The doner was delicious

<salami donators!> And the simit is pure bliss

<salami donators!> There's no way baklava is the one and only thing they messed up

<salami donators!> Even the ayran is good there

<GenericMage> I wonder, what happens if you had funds pending on an atomic swap and it goes offline indefinitely.

<Bon 💗> It's a good thing i deleted elite wallet

There are people with funds inside

Look on reddit

<Bon 💗> I know I've seen it some people say it's spyware

<Bon 💗> Or some stuff

<GenericMage> Holy smokes it's real

Bagholders in the TG still think this is just an update.

> <@bridgerton:matrix.org> <GenericMage> Holy smokes it's real... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…cd592ea8a08ea618d39f02c4b6d1ce45b42>)

<GenericMage> Eh my bad, what do you call someone who got rugpulled?

<salami donators!> Imagine using majestic

<salami donators!> I only used it for xmr<>wow until neroswap came back up

<salami donators!> imo neroswap is quicker, majesticbank takes a whole day to trade

<salami donators!> Or at least, took

<salami donators!> 😄

bridgerton[m]: How many ppl even use it ? And what can they do other than wait for it to be back online 😅

<salami donators!> Just pray you didn't put a lot of money in it and hope it goes up

Meeting in 4hr51min monero-project/meta #810 16:00utc

evven

events* meeting at 17:00utc @ #monero-events:monero.social

events @ 18:00UTC*

That's 5 and 7 Berlin

Mm be asleep then

Hi, my reddit post (as always) have been shadow-banned. Is there a reddit mod that can unremove it ?

r*ddit censorhip.. again? please re-post on monero.house

and let the people read your message

your favourite reddit mod(s) are busy manually sifting through comments from AI bots

i noticed Doug retweet this ETH<->XMR atomic swap mainnet teaser from elizabeth nitter.it/elizabethereum/status/1639293037267255296 (the tweet has 11k views and counting)

MajesticBank

i cant see any updates in the MB telegram group - only from March 19th "Sorry about that, this is the update that makes exchange decentralized and we really need a bit of extra time to finish this up properly,

Turning MajesticBank into a DEX was in progress for couple months already and few days of downtime won't matter in next couple of years of operating"

kycnot.me has delisted MB until services are back up

Im looking into it

hello

is there a meeting today

Hello

ah yes, Meeting time monero-project/meta #810

Yes Sir.

Good morning.

hi all

Hi

Hi

Hello

hi

lets throw some current events out there, we're pretty tx_extra / nft heavy right now? the next release limiting tx_extra is imminent (on track for being tagged today) and out gitian builders will be right on it verifying hashes (thank you)

s/out/our

anyone wants to listen to a monerotopia overview of the situation : good watch, features someone claiming to be ofrnxmr - Monerotopia [How Monero devs will respond to NFTs](yewtu.be/watch?v=sMixnK8FM_g)

 

feathewallet.org updated.. p2pool hardforked woop woop , aand gupax.io - [monero-bash](github.com/hinto-janai/monero-bash/releases) updated too by hinto-janai

do our mobile wallet friends have any updates to announce? how is stack wallet going , i read something about a weeb mode

P2pool hard fork left behind a bunch if miners.

Please everybody update and spread the news

Stack Duo Diego Salazar:

Yeboi

Hopefully for iOS soon. Just received an app rejected this morning form apple cuz they wanted to know the difference between Stack Duo and Stack Wallet.

ofrnxmr[m] miners left behind are still mining valid Monero blocks and getting payouts, so it's not critical

I explained. Lower attack surface and stuff. Hopefully that'll go through now.

nice, wishing you the best with that

For everyone else, Duo and Stack are the same codebase. Duo is BTC + XMR only

i watch this short clip made by Lovera every morning whilst eating breakfast [Monero in every corner of the world](reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/11vmid…monero_in_every_corner_of_the_world) - [Lovera](nitter.it/BTClovera)

Love it ^

ft a clip of geonics movie

AcceptXMR was funded since the last meeting also BusyBoredom is working away at milestone 1 🫡 has the tasks organised nicely on his github github.com/busyboredom/acceptxmr

i doubt we'll have enough time to discuss today but there was a 'rust' monero payments/business/invoice idea posted today, perhaps they could build upon acceptxmr

Bulletproofs++ went to funding wat ?

Bp++ ccs was moved to funding after the MRL meeting

Do we know who will be reveiwing bp++?

121/130 already - the next MRL meeting on wednesday will be discussing another paper too, exciting times for the MRL - options are wide open. CypherStack will be performing the peer review on that paper*

Almost fully funded, and I believe it was funded with outside money. Have not confirmed

that paper=bp++

the general fund has not even had time to donate

kuno.bitejo.com new fundraising platform (some sus things there at the moment, but amazing work from anarkiocrypto to get it up and running)

The code was released as well iirc

yep all open source

News: [Monero Observer](monero.observer) - [Revuo Monero](revuo-xmr.com) - [The Monero Standard](localmonero.co/the-monero-standard) - [Monero Moon](themoneromoon.com) for other news sources

shall we jump into the ccs ideas? anything else on your minds?

Hi everyone

Majesticbank has been down for some days. Elitewallet as well

ofrnxmr[m]: Just coincidence

yes, since the 19th march i believe, apprently 'updating' to a DEX 🤔 waiting on updates about their status

MajesticBank @MajesticBank:libera.chat: please confirm

oh just wanted to plug jeffro256 , making all kinds of pull requests to help speed our Monero experience up

plowsof11: They must be either exit scamming some people or testing in production.

They were up on 22nd and went down on 9th confirmation for this person

Molly IM proposal update regarding wallet SDK has shifted the scope of the ccs. Im not sure where to go with that.

in tandem with jberman and rbruner

the dev of valldrac has been active / working on the SDK , available to questions and also consultancy for the serpahis migration team

^ right

endor00: has no updates for solopt work uhm

Regarding Molly, I wonder what we are tonexpect from molly

SDK sounds like standalone ccs

Cant be mad when the project manager was paid to leave the project in shambles

yes the sdk looks good, created in a modular way from scratch, alot of benefits to the existing tech

And cost and scope of SDK, imo, should be separate from Molly

we can revisit that , the update of molly was just a 'tell all' update of where theyre at. they will continue to work on the ccs , just progress has been slow

lets jump to the merges, quickly glossing over this one which was closed

b. [Computational work for OSPEAD parameterization](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/375)

 

Isthmus has closed the ccs citing 'not enough Q2 bandwidth' as one reason but will continue contributing to OSPEAD on weekends (full comment here repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…als/-/merge_requests/375#note_20926 )

Animated videos project has halted ******

c. [dangerousfreedom - wallet development 2](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/377)

this proposal is contributing to the seraphis wallet migration efforts. I've raised some concerns in the comments about the original idea / DF's previous ccs. the proposal has now been adjusted and obtained approval from the creator of seraphis koe and migration coordinator Rene.

So were closing, paying out 9xmr and I propose we repurposed the remainder at a following meeting

the no wallet left behind meetings can make the final push for that as they have more people attending involved

Agreed that no mrl / dev should give the final OK on dsngerousfreedom's ccs

ok yes, onto the video ccs as above ^

d. [Draft: New Animated Video series future](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/379)

savandra has confirmed in the ccs comments that its over. but open to returning to compete with others willing to take on the ccs. full details here: repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…als/-/merge_requests/308#note_20952

monerobull also comments for paying 9xmr and closing

i agree with this also, there was talks of splitting payouts etc for dsmlegend but, for simplicity , 9xmr to savandra and close is the easiest. they are 'sticking around' to compete also

Hello

closing and paying 9xmr (decide what to do with the remaining funds later meeting) yes/no

plowsof11: Yes

The ccs is 9xmr = 4minute video.

Video 1 is 2 minutes, but the scripts (10% if the ccs aka 4.5xmr) for all 5 were finished. So imo paying 9 is accurate and fair

(Yes)

Yes and hoping someone picks it up, the animations & scripts were so promising

Not really

for the record, the leftover is 36 xmr

i agree, close

consensus is clear to close and pay 9xmr , moving on?

Yes sir.

e. [P2P Publisher - Monerotopia Mexico City](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/380)

i've seen this topic discussed here already. we've been given a dealine by the proposer to get it funded soon, so we need to look and vote merge/close as the next meeting is after the deadline (3 days). Lovera shared that they will be attending MoneroTopia too!

IMO close. Childish ccs

Close

close

Consensus 👍

its jut not feasible , even if it was a good proposal we all liked - to get it to funding before the deadline

> <@plowsof:matrix.org> e. [P2P Publisher - Monerotopia Mexico City](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/380)... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…5395c279527c24b51ce621728455b65f9da>)

The proposer "doug doesnt like me and I have nothing to do with monerotopia" but will use monerotopia to get funding

Monerotopias name* to get funding

That was the cherry on top

also, we also have 36 xmr in an abandoned outreach ccs , something to discuss at another meeting

And like 240 overfunded

plowsof11: And about overfunded projects?

ofrnxmr[m]: Yep

ive listed a few proposals here we shold be able to tackle github.com/plowsof/ccs-wip-list/issues

Wait. Where is plowsof update

Did he close out ccs?

yes ccs coordinator was closed out and moved to completed yesterday

Volunteer 🐎

we can get to this (overfunded also) after the next 2 proposals

plowsof11: Thank you

im seeing consensus for closing the monerotopia / advertising proposal

Confirmed. Close

f. [Maintaining flatpak package](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/381)

im not sure BigmenPixel can make it today but is currently researching milestone 1 (will ask them to mark it as a Draft) : basically the build takes longer than a 6 hour limit - they're investigating a fix atm, but want to hear how people feel about flatpak? and having a trusted/maintained Monero-gui on the core monero repo?

I would like for milestones to be broken up in a feasible way

Monthly etc

Or quarterly

quarterly sounds better yes

do we know what flatpak is?

Otherwise ccs looks good to me

ive used it before, handy for noobs to keep monero-gui updated

Flatpak is important for easy updates for grandma

3.5xmr will pay for the investigatoins/implementation to get it @ monero core , then only monero approved persons can make changes

Yes, first step is to have it a verified Flatpak

Flatpak is a nice extra sandbox for apps and a way to avoid f--king up your machine with depedencies

And have it hosted on getmonero instead on flathub similar to obs

BigmenPixel is honest and wants to be certain its possible before considering moving it to funding , just wants thoughts

thanks for the comments

the less times we have to reset the 0 days since 0.17.3.2 counter the better

IMO, quarterly (so he doesnt have to wait for payment) and its fine

plowsof11: Did a quick research and as a complete Linux noob it seems pretty good & user friendly. If it's a "secure" way to install monero, then I am all for it 👍

Perhaps also write guides

ill be following up with him / trying to help if possible - and share when any progress is made for step 1

docs are always good yes

So users know the Flatpak is available, official and recommended

there is a guide on... kicksecure? which recommends to use flatpak (thats the main reason for the ccs really, as whonix has discontinued support for the monero packages, and points users to flatpak)

hinto shared news of that in a monero-gui issue, and then a user on here told us about it

ideally each release should be reviewed in some way before labeling it verified

although that seems like more work for other people so...

Verified = it builds out of the Getmonero tagged releases

Monero-project***

if we could find a debian trusted maintainer that would be perfect

and no need to trust 1 person didnt change something

apt repos would cover debian, ubuntu, tails, etc

Instead of where most flatpaks are submitted to flathub by "anyone", this ccs will bring the Flatpak into the core repo

the current debian monero-gui is still 0.17.x.x iirc

Debian maintainer stopped maintaining

Flatpak is easier to keep updated as well, for the maintainer

that was for whonix's custom apt repo

IIRC, the issue with Debian & Whonix was basically that released are out-of-phase, they can't deply important wallet updates quickly. Yes? Flatpack would help with that a lot

s/released/releases/

* IIRC, the issue with Debian & Whonix was basically that releases are out-of-phase with Monero's, they can't deply important wallet updates quickly. Yes? Flatpack would help with that a lot

* IIRC, the issue with Debian & Whonix was basically that releases are out-of-phase with Monero's, they can't deply important wallet updates quickly. Yes? Flatpak would help with that a lot

Same with Tails

(Tho I don't think Tails supports Flatpak)

bigmenpixel has been keeping the flatpak already updated for over a year also, seems like we 'like the idea of flatpak' and suggest changes to the milestones + possible extras (docs)

quarterly

moving on

thanks for comments btw^

g. [v1docq47 - monerokon 2022 (part 2) and monerotopia 2023 voiceover and working on xmr.ru](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/382)

seens to have been working away on their current ccs, updates can be seen in comments here repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/343. just for visibility/transparency, there has been a slight rate/hour increase from 10$ to 14$ per hour, from 28~ to ~30 hours per week.

formatting^ the previous proposal was stagnant for a long time because we couldnt find any Russians to provide feedback - but when moved to funding , it was funded quite quickly

I will be glad to answer your questions

in recent days weve had some RU users on here too, can only point them xmr.ru / the xmr.du yotue channel

so its making my life easier at least

v1docq47[m]: You've been doing this work for years, man. Inflation happens to us all.

The thing is, the Russian market is not very active HERE. But if his proposals are being funded organically, I see no issue with the price.

Would be nice to have Russian users chime in

Yes, Russian users wrote to me. Basically, these were questions about RU blocking localmonero

it was posted 3 days ago, like the last one, ill try to point russian users there to give feedback

thank you v1d ,

how do russian users buy monero without localmonero ?

But barring translating Russian feedback, id move it to funding and see how if they want to fund it

this will be helpful for Alex | LocalMonero | AgoraDesk when being asked angry questions

All communication of the Russian-speaking segment of Monero takes place in our telegram group

directly in the group and through RU exchanges

can i confirm that RU people can actually 'get' monero? xD

ofrnxmr[m]: I’m speak Russian, and I can confirm that in Russian telegram Monero group is active

Lovera what 3 letter agency do you work for , you speak too many languages sir

Language barriers and internet censorship are a real issue with Russia. Even though its new, id move it to funding.

plowsof11: For XMR

hahah good answer

<plowsof11>, Yup :)

Work isnt set to start til may

thanks i will point them in your TG group direction

Yes, there is some work that I did not include in CCS

0 wait a week

1 merge

2 close

0+ for feedback

2 weeks**

its only posted 3 days ago

My issue with feedback is its russian

0 i think

How do we reach out, if not via VDO?

will try to shill it to every RU user i see

Almost out if time.

Monerod updates coming soon. Keep your eyes open

AOB

Help with the gitian builds if you are available after tagging

the other ccs idea posted today repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/383 Oceanus ERP Software for Small Businesses . will need to check those pdfs

for next time

its not gunna be morbin time for long 💢

Thank you plowsof @plowsof:matrix.org:

i skimmed the pdfs

seemed pretty interesting

AOB - monerokon CFP submission deadline 3rd April

also i QUIT f' you all for ruining my life, see you next meeting ❤️

3 months of 2022, 3 months of 2023

Next time you need to specify which year you'll do the 3 months in

Be sure to check tx volume today

Looks like 80% of volume is nfts

(Probably closer to 50%)

i forgot to mention the overfunding of proposals - what to do with the excess, sorry Lovera - giving it to the proposer spread out over the milestones (minus 'gas' fees) was suggested. also, putting it all in one pile and paying for other things like audits.

if you are a victim of overfunding gate - perhaps a 12 month deadline to come forward to make a claim to your funds - after that - to be decided (i have +1 xmr to gain from this so i cant really give a non-biased suggestion)

Maybe use it to match donations to CCSs in funding required for a while. Get things funded twice as fast for a bit.

Overfunded proposals should noted

Say koe is overfunded, and has another ccs coming

We can roll it over

There are certain proposals that continue month to month like Monero Observer or even Feather Wallet, developer work, etc... It could be used to fund future proposals from the proposer I.e

I am referring to proposals that have been overfunded and that it is known that there will be another proposal of the same kind proposer

12 months seems like a long time... 3 months maximum and then it could be donated to other proposals of interest such as audits.

NotMtth: hey, you there?

Wondering the bottom comment

<btclovera[m]> "There are certain proposals that..." <- I agree. Extra MO CCS funds can go to audit/research/dev-security/other proposals of 'high interest' or to my future proposals if nothing requires additional funding at that time, up to the community.