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meeting in 5 hours nooooooo monero-project/meta #819

i2p android nodes coming soon #2yrs

jeffro's pr needs review and merging to release

Monero-gui fails to compile on clang.

dani-g5x[m]: it does not

you have to post a build log with more information

we build the macos gui with clang and there are no build issues with latest master

selsta: I didn't specified that I'm on musl

Musl-llvm

I kinda already solved by using flatpak

hello 👀

is anyone around for a meeting monero-project/meta #819

hi

is it time?

2 more hrs right?

you're right

it's 14:00UTC

what i meant to say was, "meeting in 2 hours" yes, i definitely was doing that

👋🏻

Wait

Meeting in 30 minutes?

yes xD

🫣

Lol 😂

I was thinking: where has everyone gone?

ill be here in spirit

lol

time for the 3rd meeting today monero-project/meta #819 ok thanks ofrnxmr

hello everyone

grumpy hello

hello

Hello 👋🏻

happy holidays evrryone

glsd you could dedicare your lives, unlike the traitor. lets get this started

so the next release of Monero which limits tx extra is ready, thank you to those that have done the gitian hashes thing and made pull requests here: github.com/monero-project/gitian.sigs/pulls the maintainer TheCharlatan is on holiday so cant merge anything atm. Core team are aware, when binaryfate is available he can push selstas release notes/announcement to getmonero / update the downloads page

would be nice if people can run it and report back if any issues at all

hello

in my peer list atm , i see 18 public rpc nodes that have updated

what?? should be 19 now

i have limited outreach, maybe it will see yours soon, thanks

im always connected to you 😈

so the mordinal devs have nerfed their front end page. if you dont use their updates software (and pay a high fee) your morbinal wont be displayed

TBD release of fork that adds functionality back

Excellent 💪🏻

Rucknium of rucknium.me shared the latest stats (showing a dramatic decrease of mordinals on the blockchain... its basically over before we even had a chance to get the limited tx extra update out 2023-04-04 Updated Mordinals volume data: gist.github.com/Rucknium/67cc9efdf7e43a40c52417611b322d43 )

over >> taking a break >> trust me, i promise

wait til payday

4xmr isa lot of money yknoe

Monero is not for NFTs… that was just a “Temporary trend “

but yeah. "they turned it off" fornow

But it’s good to have ready solutions.

was never a trend, has always been an exploitabke exploit

just someone pissing all over your blockchain saying"i can"

monero-project/monero #8815 Jeffros pull request here is an attempt to remove privacy concerns of using bogus coinbase decoys (or only using coinbase decoys when spending those) - needs review / data to see the implications of this

im also running this on mainnet

all my homies dislike coinbase

and im not seeing any issues. you need to use the updated wallet as well

imo its a big uograde over the ststus quo

jeffro256: ty for looking into this

plowsof11: Niceee

it should help increase the effective ring size of a monero transaction (a chart can be found in this comment from Rucknium) monero-project/research-lab #109#issuecomment-1387504724

basicsllt my rings are 90+% 2 outs now

we're closer to 15 than we where after the p2pool hardfork.. hopefully this improves it further

much much closer ❤

chainalysis punching air

- 92.221xmr donation to the general fund nitter.monero.fail/WatchFund/status/1642419180124135425 😮 AOB?

always nice to see someone that cares

ah new release will be deployed on Monday*

nice

\o/

new release doesnt inckude jeffros pr

i wish it did 😆

relax, we went from ring size of 7 > 11 > 16

ofrnxmr[m]: Need review

nioc: went from effective 7 to 7 to 10

iirc it needs statistical analysis to be performed on over 100k transactions using the patch xD

nioc: Slow but safe

plowsof11: not reallt

maybe to prove how much better

not to prove that is IS better

we tried to release a chainsplit last week, lets take it slow

Lovera[m]: unsafe

ring size bumos were akways a response to inadewuacies

plowsof11: hey, i tested it on testnet #not

we should change from esperanto to ofrnxmr

bumps / inadequacies (cant even type inadqequ.. with a keyboard)

can jump into the CCS ideas unless we've missed something 🤔

first

bp++ 14th still?

yep, no further updates there

that ccs might move before we come back? or not sure

ok

that was the self imposed target, i have not much faith

ok thanks

new ccs ideas?

will just go through the list starting with:

a. [dangerousfreedom - wallet development 2](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/377)

seems that people are satisfied with the changes

DF is away for april , the original proposal was changed after issues where raised, now koe gave it the thumbs up (ive deferred my vote to him) and has been discussed in a 'no wallet left behind' meeting

no wallet /mrl should decide on thr scope and acceptance

both koe and rbrunner now approve

lm voting: merge as soon as relevant parties ok it

ofrnxmr[m]: Agree

i vote , tell mrl we're merging it (so people are pushed into feedback if they disagree)

then merge it during the week xD

no need for further approval from us imo.

okay

its up to them

agree

b. [Add maintaining-flatpak-package.md](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/381)

hm this one is important

few flatpak issues

the build steps are basicallt centralized not on our repo

better than current behavior, so still a go ahead

please add rule that the proposer doesn't up or down vote their proposal or the comments on it

theres some back and forth in the comments there, as i was unsure about what milestone one would actually get us. BigmenPixel has improved the workflow build and explained to me that , the monero-gui repo , will build and push flatpak files directly to flathub.

but id like to look into the possibility of hosting our own flatpak repo with reproducible builds

nioc: no

wait for proof of concept + cryptographic assurances ?

i like seeing the weirdos that do it

:)

the artifacts / hashes we see here flatpak hashes github.com/BigmenPixel0/monero-gui/actions/runs/4643408350 will appear on your machine, when installing monero-gui through flatpak (they will be seen on the official monero-gui repo)

nioc: there are few ccs rule need changing but it's complex process I guess

i think some research is needed on the hosting of our own repo

why actions are not run from monero-project github ?

there will be no

uhm this repo github.com/flathub/org.getmonero.Monero will no longer exist (so im told)

flathub, at a deeper look, seems to be a good but not ideal option

MajesticBank: flathub rules i guess

monero-gui repo will push directly to flathub (and hashes can be confirmed)

pay the guy for his code / scripts / actions anyway

is there a meeting here

5 years of people rewuesting reproducible buikds

i have only found this information out 1 hour ago, so i need to be certain myself whats going on

monerobull[m]: nope. were just trying to enjoy the holiday but thersles some sort of gathering here

plowsof told me thrre was lunch

i think he lied

ill stry to help look into the flatpak stuff as well, but imo rstes chsnge (up) if it involves deploying our own repo

i think this distribution needs to be really tight and verified, so let's wait on this one

i still would donate if someone can continue debian repo, apt-get install monero was amazing

yeah, i only wrapped my bran around the process an hour ago

brain*

gui is already in flsthub though, so current situstion is no better

but yes, i agree but i do think there might be another or s different first milestone in the final ccs

i saw flatpak is California based company, not sure are there any privacy implications there

monero-gui repo runs a workflow, and spits out artifacts (app.flatpak files) - these same files are pushed to flathub - which we install through flatpak - we can compare hashes shown on the monero-gui workflow run - so there is no doubt (ONLY if github collude with flathub)

MajesticBank: agree

it would affect all downstream distros as well

e.g ubuntu mint

bigmenpixel has been maintaining flatpak monero-gui for 2 years~ now

and finding out 'wtf is happening with the debian/whonix maintainer' is on the todo list

we might not see monero wallet in whonix / qubeos without debian repo, other distros affected too

i was thinking maybe shorten the ccs to 3 months, with a new ccs for the repo later

and there might be a deal with another privacy coin, so need to consider wider picture on this one

*might* *possible* *future*

at the moment - users can confirm hashes that are @ monero-gui repo , so at least we have that

there will be another meeting next saturday, so we can investigate further

so the plan to do xyz_ might be a wate of time. can just keep maintaining as is an then do the repo (?)

thoughts for next week

i just know that "verified" status on flathub is a myth/placebo - "verified" for the monero community is something else, that im trying to ascertain

yeah, blue twitter check

BigmenPixel: has responded to my questions / been busy setting milestone one up for a while now, so thank you

verified is when you have plowsof police that download package every minute and check the hashes from 3 different servers

we'll figure it out

whats next?

next saturday discuss it again 15th with more info/questions in between. also whats going on with debian

yes a script to DL and confirm is possible / raise alarm

i mean, next on meeting agenda :P

c. [v1docq47 - monerokon 2022 (part 2) and monerotopia 2023 voiceover and working on xmr.ru](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/382)

no further feedback from russia, i say merge

the last time v1do put a proposal up - we delayed it for weeks to get feedback, then put it to funding. he;s been doing this for years, and i already see some positive feedback coming in. not sure why we would delay now

yeah, merge it

merge from me also

its a proposak that is repeatedly funded by, i assume, russians

even if they dont comt o #conmunity and make me use a translator, someone is supporting the work consistentky

there is not much feedback from the community tho

were not russian

i csnt tell you anything abiut the quality of output

can anyone else comment? I need to get into loop on this one, was thinking it's 18 utc today

XD

consensus merge?

v1do wont start work until start of May? hasnt finished his current ccs

0 abstain

1 close

2 merge

2

Merge

3 - the meeting didnt happen as its a holiday , lets come back next week xD

plowsof11: yep, but he doesnt get paid til may either. no reason to wait to raise funds

option 3 wait ?

plowsof11: merge it smh lol

wait for what, russians?

like waiting for mj tk be honest

theyve never ckme before

wait for me to make a sock account and say thanks

I know someone from xmr.ru, will invite him here

i need time to downvote with socks

he is owner of monero.net I think

Is there another channel apart from #xmr.ru:matrix.org ?

It seems kinda dead even though it has +1000 members

they are very active on telegram

i will follow that up majesticbank (for some extra feedback) - its just a song and dance before merging it

yeah they have a ru telegram

MajesticBank: I thought it was the same, do you have the link to that one by any chance?

i wonder how hard is is for vdo to be 9 russian alts

Thank you

its not animated videos, nor a meth drinking movie

they have active weekly news, there is link to channel in description

web.telegram.org/k/#@XMR_RU also?

when I read comments on the proposal, last two, they are too fishy, nothing else

yeah just make like, 4 ish more sock accounts and say thanks then we can merge

who's funding them? not anybody we know

plowsof11: Thanks, lol I saw lovera commenting in Russian 🔥

waste if time trying to block it

until someone shoes up with proof, the ccs is as good as its always been

luigi is slow so we can block it inadvertently until next saturday

im just saying im wasting my tkme voting yes 3 times

like, just fkn merge kt

plowsof11: Sorry, we are about v1docs? Proposal?

yess

meth movies grt merged on a casual tuesdag

lovera says yes for the third time today also

I think merge…

ty lovera 👍

this meeting consensus is merge moving on

rent free, no thanjs

michaelizer[m]: Yeah!! Sometimes I check their community 🙂

sadly i have no idea what this is d. [Oceanus ERP Software for Small Businesses](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/383)

hinto: and BusyBoredom have left some feedback on the ERP proposal

er.. same, i didnt even look at that one yet

its not something we can just have a quick look at , and ive not devoted much time into researching it

Siren:

will definitely do that before next saturday, but, my initial impression from the feedback is "cant ya just use an existing thing and add monero to it instead of using your custom made thing"

bump for next week ?

ye

it uses moneropay?

but costs more than moneropay ccs?

yes. bump for nxt week

ofrnxmr[m]: Mmmm

" Moneropay API or the AcceptXMR library "

thats just as bad

acceptxmr was 44xmr

its not "sexy" to promote .. needs a long study, but my initial impression is "nah" but i dont think im fully informed

im again, not commenting on the proposal thus week.

yep

need to actually look first

let's not be gatekeepers, but a shapers, maybe this can be POS solution for shops / restaurants

different interface w/e

we'll look into it and see

will follow up with the proposer ye

I think it would be much cheaper and more beneficial to integrate monero into an existing ERP like odoo.

nice feedback, lets end on e. [koe seraphis ongoing support](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/384)

no idea, but i say merge

i vote close

jk.

i read the title and im voting merge

koe will be holding a (hopefully) monerokon talk about "Build a demo for a secure and efficient escrowed market using Monero 2-of-3 multisig with the seraphis library."

this sounds interesting

Build a demo for a secure and efficient escrowed market using Monero 2-of-3 multisig with the seraphis library.

which is funded by this ccs

yep

MajesticBank: Amazing

merge it

the #monero-events:monero.social team are yet to confirm his talk but he has submitted the proposal

ofrnxmr[m]: +1

koe is essential to other ccs

ERPs are not like payment gateways where businesses add new ones periodically. Businesses generally use only one ERP, and that ERP becomes very core to their day-to-day functioning. It's not customer-facing, it's business management software.

they shoukd come to communitt dev and expkain why

On the point of monero payment gateway, I think it's waste of time making monero specific gateway, but rather approach different vendors to add monero into existing solutions

thank you BusyBoredom for the vital feedback

like blockonomics and such

meeting done? ty bye everyone

Can I continue with my whiskey 🥃?

Lovera[m]: It's semana santa ffs

By the way, today I take out the last video for tomorrow or the day after tomorrow to give my report

michaelizer[m]: Yeah!!! 🥃🙏🏻

yep meeting over! thanks for joining, happy weekend everyone sorry for dragging you here! MajesticBank yes a monero specific gateway does lack appeal to alot of merchants who want to accept every payment method under the sun

Lovera[m]: nice !!!

they still have their place though. nice one Lovera !

blockonomics.co, non custodial payment gateway, should be working with monero easy, crazy amount of vendors are using this one

what about bitcartcc.com which has monero support

multi coin / non custodial but ive never used it

Monero needing a private key to scan transactions really throws a wrench in the works when trying to integrate it into most multi-crypto gateways. We always need our own backend in one form or another.

couldn't it verify incoming tx with view_only wallet ?

the service

That's what I mean, view only wallets in monero require a private view key. Most crypto payment gateways assume you can read transactions without any private key, so the integrations can get ugly.

built for transparent chains

Not that it's impossible, bitcartcc looks like they did a great job with it. I'm just commenting on what the hard part is.

You mentioned blockenomics for example, and my understanding of their service is that they would have to hold your private view key if they were to add monero support. That's a deal breaker in my eyes.

<ofrnxmr[m]> "but costs more than moneropay..." <- Moneropay had no ccs

And I deleted Metronero's proposal

i meannnnn its using your sw

<ofrnxmr[m]> "but costs more than moneropay..." <- moneropay never had and never will have a ccs :D

but we would not refuse a % of that amount as a donation if they used it :D

100% *talks into pinky

Metronero should be "fully functional" by next week also

Maybe someone can recommend a web based wallet?

I'd love to get a Monero wallet running on thus

s/thus/this/

any cli?

like, will it run mymonero?

Yeah got a terminal emulator but I'd prefer an app

mymonero > lws

Anything web based I can most likely port to kaiOS

i think MM has a webwallet, and ram etc shoukd be good because lws

Hmm also I only have 512M RAM

400 something left for apps*

Unused ram is wasted ram!

So true

Must bloat

Tx_extra style

I won't be buying monero through MyMonero

So I don't really care

is their twitter compromised or

But yeah bullshit post lol

"Financial freedom is a human right, and KYC does not rob you of that."

They're saying KYC is to protect the company from being scammed? Lol can't be more wrong.

"It is clear that storing your Monero coins within the MyMonero wallet would give you the highest level of financial privacy possible "

can chatgbt please fact check this article

Bingai

ok , well, its a marketing post to promote the fact that "you can buy monero inside MyMonero with credit cards" nothing else to see

With coinbase ex????????!!?!!

Shitty ad

third party - but do not worry - they do not share your info with my monero!

Put the bait and “click”

the picture of the banana phone Siren - are you on the international space station or an aeroplane

mymonero knows i knows i talk shit abiut them

plowsof11: ISS

i make one recommendation and they embarrass me

i guess.. dont use mymoneros web wallet :) lol /s

you guys talkin smack about my ex?

your ex is on twitter making a fool of herself

kyc is nonsense

they ask for far far more thnan is reasonable

selfies, voice, ?? eff your keanu shilling monero videos

i gave yas my id and all that good stuff

now you want nut shots

whats next, they want to sit on mytoilet? share dinner? borrow my wife? what do they need for me to prove im still me

"It is clear that storing your Monero coins within the MyMonero wallet would give you the highest level of financial privacy possible" What is this garbage? What happened to the times when MyMonero made sure to tell its customers outright that it could see your incoming transactions?

moreso than i do when i renew mt kicense or buy a house

mymonero is protected

they can go shill janets latest thing and their honeypot still gets special treatment around here

mytoilet.com

i dont swim in your toilet, please dont pee in my pool #mymonero

but yeah. i dont like the "we pretend like mymonero is monero" angle around here

i dont know about know, but mymonero at one point want even a free service

what does that even mean? It was such a massively community oriented project. Who is basically the only one

and set different fees on the tx

it was*

fees thing was just an oversight

its a third party layer

its not monero aka the blockchain

no, it's not

absolutely is Monero code otherwise it wouldn't be able to submit transactions

it is lol. that server intrracts with monero

not anything the users touch

what you're talking about his factually incorrect

no its not

how does mymonero submit tx after a hf?

wallets work just fine using other servers

yes, it is. There is a ton of xmr code in the client.

you're literally saying nothing of substance

im saying its a honehpot

not a blockchain

and users arent syncing their oen blocks

well, that is entirely besides the point, and I must say it is also apparently your speculation

its abiut as real kf a wallet as binance minus the spend keys

and if you plan to use that as an argument against doing, you're scanning on another server that your client, then you are yet again displaying your agenda

than

sure you dont have spend keys and the wallet sf build transactions

do you have absolutely zero idea what you're talking about. It's a monero cold wallet

my agenda?

dude you

again?

now im confused

what is this agenda

and when was the last time

when I first used monero it was mymonero, "monero web wallet" so it's definitely important adoption vector for monero

multiple personalities bbl

endogenics agenda looks like TBD coming soon tm

in many regards, the technology behind the light wallet for Monero is superior to simply scanning on the same device as you are holding your spend key. it at least gives you the option. It is virtually a cold wallet.

his agenda is known tbh already, at that time ringsize was optional so you could pick a few I can recall

Yeah MyMonero used to have a huge base of community goodwill. It was the go-to wallet you sent n00bies to download

exactly. And we organized Monero research workshops that we funded out-of-pocket and we made multiple contributions to the codebase and Developer meetings.

Yeah hard no from me if they can see my tx

key word, used to

homage paid

I see here is now 3-4-5 wallets based on mymonero tech, would be cool to have some transparency around that

there*

fine, i will shill rino wallet rino.io

why

.bbl

rino shills itself

it has a better logo than mymonero

AND 2fa

twitter giveaway

does rino have a mobike wallet?

and does it support lws?

or just more winnie the pooh

i see a picture of a mobile on their website - i guess so

plowsof11: Web based?

yeah

foss?

its mymonero with a facelift / nice logo / multi sig / 2fa

no, not yet, but soon!

it works from mobile, I tested

im not hsing a web wallet on mobile

i have termux

ofrnxmr[m]: My screen is kinda microscopic

(id use a webwallet on a nokia)

and hence mymonero monopoly

Also the term emulator for this device is horrible

I'll be making a new one as well

they dont have a place for any rrason other than "options"

how old is that nokia?

It's a Nokia 8110 from 2018

ooo a newer one

i still have a nokia from... well it went swimming years ago and still worked the last time i saw it

long before ip68 phones lolol

ofrnxmr[m]: I wanted to get into KaiOS/MozillaOS development so

Screw android

I got almost all the essentials

Just missing Monero wallet

android just weakened linux

Can't participate in the Monero church without it

just be a brokie like me

will it work on a 5110

I still have my Firefox OS phone from circa 2014 lying around somewhere to test Monero web wallets on...