Yeah, best solution is to not contribute to tor. Unfortunate but yeah...

I am thinking of a solution to game the Tor exitnode list, maybe I could go around that if I get 2 IP on the VPS and so some iptable & multi internet gateway kungfu

NIC 1 all tor traffic

NIC 2 all internet traffic that is not related to tor (but people using the exit node would endup on that side once they are out of tor)

<ofrnxmr[m]> "I2p is safer for me to contribut..." <- ofrnxmr, how would you compare the privacy of running a monero node over tor versus running a monero node over i2p? Which keeps the node more private from one's ISP?

you cant do Blockchain sync from behind i2p (currently).

i got blocked off from the network numerous times due to tor exit node ip being detectable

if were talking about onions and eepsites, imo i2p is again the superior option for privacy.

the real trick is how much academic research has gone into tor vs i2p, and i2p seems to be far polished

so clearnet is actually best, with node inside/behind tor being second best

i2pd outproxy has been broken for 2yrs

i mean if they come get me for running monerod i guess they get me then 😜

for privacy, and i2p + onion + (clearnet)exit nodes) would be best abd most reliable

we dont allow blockchain sync over onion or i2p though, so currently the only option is exit nodes vs clearnet

what do people in china who want to run monerod do? are they just 2 sigma for mr. xi and run it over clear net, zero hedge and no feds come knocking at their door?

ofrnxmr[m]: ^ i need to figure out a way for monero to allow block sync over anon networks.

we dont want to partition any of the 3 networks, (have users run i2p-only nodes and get cutoff from clearnet nodes)

I can see at least 30ish clear net nodes in China, so probably the ccp isn't coming and raiding their devices yet just for using monerod right?

ccs probably running the nodes

ccp

how do you think most sophisticated chinese monero users operate? Or are they non existant

rare, but they use webwallets

a lot of non-english speaking, oppressed peoples are using scamwallets

thats why were pushing for lws integration

webwallets are for brainlets right

surely they use their onion relays like feather or smthng no

well,considering theyre almost all scams, yes

xmrwallet/freewallet or whatever

fr33_yourself[m]: of course some do, but i see a lot ofmisdirected folks

so you don't think there are people using the gui, cli, or feather in china? presumably they wouldn't use mobile devices becuase privacy is too bad but hey maybe they use cake there. maybe cake isn't listed in the app store

gui feather etc is going to rat on you to the state

users are using web wallets over tor

pretty sure chinese phones flag monerujo as harmful

<fr33_yourself[m]> "I can see at least 30ish clear..." <- No they don't

<fr33_yourself[m]> "so you don't think there are..." <- There is no problem using gui from mainland china

I guess i just talk to the ones with tinfoil

I also heard iran blocks ports at the isp level / you need permission to open em. i wonder how true that is

Yeah i heard that firewalld

Like there internet is intranet

has anyone here used nym for anything ever?

i cant figure out wtf it costs to use

to me that makes it look like nobody is actually using the mixnet

Users pay a fee in NYM to send their data through the mixnet

i get that, what is that fee???

Like nym cost?

yeah

Dunno

I hate staking

thats why im asking

I think using Nym is free for now

really sus that there is zero information on pricing anywhere

Rucknium[m]: they really should mention that somewhere

They will start charging fees once you get hooked

they have all this info about how much youll make as a node operator but zero on pricing for users

Yeah

their documentation says youll permanently loose your entire bond when unbonding a node

so that sounds sus too lmao

The point off all that is to have high performance high uptime mixnet nodes.

🔫 you WILL stay mixing our traffic

Rucknium[m]: not letting people leave at all is very weird though

Yeah released every quarter it says

Like a term deposit

i thought that are the token unlocks for early investors, team, etc

Never allowing unbonding would be nonsensical. If that's the rule, then the node runners are not very bright. I have not read the token incentive part of the Nym white paper

Reading the white paper. Looks like you Just buying bandwidth. And mixing nodes have an auction on price per packet

So a government entity could run nodes for free and get all the traffic?

Sorry to disturb but I need help with solving this cryptocurrency equation:

USDT(ERC20) --> X(via DEX) --> Y* --> XMR

Y* - is optional

What X to choose as an intermediary to minimize fees. X should stay on the Ethereum network while Y* can be anything.

To answer a question why to use any intermediaries at all: I have a bad feeling about USDT and upcoming regulations and I don't want to associate any USDT addresses with XMR.

There isn't a lot of ERC that are cheap in fees. And I'm sorry but I don't think you'll find a lot of people that actually uses ethereum on this channel

<esac212[m]> "To answer a question why to..." <- Huh

MiCA

Just buy your xmr and be happy

lol

You can buy it with a credit card wutbthey gonna do

Prove it?

Have fun proving i own the xmr i bought

or is the problem that you want tk try to use surveillance coins to buy illegal goods?

In public

Should probably stick to non-surveillance money

Heck, even a bank transfer doesnt tell anyone what you bought

So fiat > xmr on localmonero

Done

Skip the shitcoins

Like adding trackers to your car before you go buy drugs

Fiat is the last resort option. I'm using USDT just because most people who actively use cryptocurrencies today prefer to pay and receive payments in stable coins and don't know shit about privacy.

They also store USDT in banks.......

(there is too many dots behind banks.........)

...... And they think they're doing decentralized finances. God, maybe I should just quit and forget about this cursed field before 2024 :)

<ofrnxmr[m]> “You can buy it with a credit card wutbthey gonna do” <- this is my take too but I think we’re in the minority

I wish you guys had the NYM discussion 2 days ago. could’ve asked them about it during their monerotopia pannel

I think they might be at Monerokon

lemme check

geonic: I did bring up the govt-runs-nodes Sybil issue in the virtual conference chat. Speaking into the wind :(

best ubuntu wallet for litecoin? (for the purpose of swapping to XMR)

ugh, sorry

A govt Sybil attack would increase the token price IMHO. An ironic outcome for a system that is supposed to be resistant to SYbil due to economic incentives.

honestly I stopped reading at VC-funded. would rather use a VPN or Tor

They have at least a few good privacy researchers working with them. It may work long term. It may not.

Having stuff be app specific is also not great

monerobull[m]: My vpn is for the entire machine and there shouldn't be a way to leak anything on accident

yeah, I’m glad they exist. if their VC money helps raise awareness of privacy it’s a win

In all their stuff they never mention monero but instead Zec and dash lol

are they coming to MoneroKon?

Not that i know of

They are listed as a contributor for MoneroKon

<geonic> "I wish you guys had the NYM..." <- We're only taking about it bcs of topia😅

Rucknium[m]: Then they might have some presence

Don't think they have talks though

Yes. A workshopp: cfp.monerokon.com/2023/talk/KKLMEY

Ah cool

good work guys, got distracted

they have a Tari talk :D

wut

Nym have a Tari talk? lol

*there is also a Tari talk

lol

oh haha

still funny..

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Yes nioc: the Nym people will be at Konferenco in June.

But their hackathon workshop idea was cancelled so any knowledge will probably be spoken rather than hands on.

I thought their hackathon was cancelled but now I'm not sure as they are listed on the CFP.

nym will be doing a presentation and workshop

<morato> does someone invest in other things than crypto/monero and still trust in the legacy system? i want to liquidate my positions but still attached to some

<bridgerton[m]> "<morato> does someone invest..." <- wrong chat. try #monero:monero.social