20k for badges to giveaway

2k for defcon booth etc

<louissignet[m]> "Just needs some rework" <- "Some"

facepalm

Yeah. I proposed some alternative in the merge comments.

<louissignet[m]> " I like the idea. I got into the..." <- serious question. Did you read the ccs before claiming to like the idea?

Giving away free merch is not a good use of resources

its not free either

msvb-mob: are these badges already produced

Yeah. It's a lot of money to just give away in badges.

36k

Is half of monerokon ccs

And more than monerokon gross ticket sales revenue

Msvb is king of charlatans

Also two orders of magnitude of difference in attendance

one is our conference

One is a booth

So of course outreach is gonna be more expensive there. Nonetheless expending money just to give it away is not a good use of resources

Lmfao

I would still support creating a monero booth of some kind

Wow

People just spit bullshit out of their mouthes

Ridiculous

Fact: renting a fucking venue always cost mlre than a fuckinf booth

Cmon mow

Now

This isnt the superbowl

The booth is like 1.5k no?

Yes

And the ccs is 36k

Because msvb needs to sell his merch that he cant sell

for 20k we can give away 120xmr

20k for badges. Whats the profit margin there? Doesnt sound like 0 to me

I say yeah booth and staff, no free merch

shop.defcon.org/products/def-con-31-pre-registration-ticket $460 for GA ticket?

maybe even use the booth to setup a no-kyc exchange like the one in monerokon. Or even a "IRL dark market" where attendes can sell their own shit there

No expensive merch involved, just education and a cool experience.

louissignet[m]: And he can forget about that 5% buffer

Nonsense

We move 5% every week

plowsof11: rumao rumao roru roru

Built in excuses smh

wait, $460 has the defcon badge included

i could buy so much drugs for 460 american liberty gas bucks

what the fuck does that badge do that it costs so much

is it made of solid gold?

Look, they arebt retarded

` The fee to cancel a ticket until July 15th 2022 is $34.00. 

The fee to cancel after July 15th is $84.00. `

Monerokon "no refunds cuz we dont have yur money"

I wonder how CCC is doing lately. I remember going after defcon and feeling like this is what it is supposed to be.

naphtha[m]: $75. Only $25 more than msvb bulk offer for his at $50/per

And like $150 if buying solo

louis.saberhagen: i nominate you to do the illegal things you suggest others to do in your ccs comment. heres some illegal books / religious books for your carry-on case

Are these leftover monerokon stuff? If so, why is there 400? Did he sell 0? Produce more than kon attendance capacity? Plan ahead and create extra to save costs when selling them to another ccs?

The last paragraph is 🥲🥲🥲

What tf do religious books have to do with cryptography and cryptocurrency

"educate"

im not sure you understand the word

Theres 0 correlation with knowledge about monery + the communist manifesto / bible / dr suess

"im a rebel"

is that whatvyou mean?

cuz.. youre not

<plowsof11> "louis.saberhagen: i nominate you..." <- Are there any illegal books in the US?

I thought the whole idea of publishing PGP as a book is because it's perfectly legal

Yes

Pedophelia is being nornalized

so perhaps not

I was just spouting possible ideas. Not a literal list.

Well.. ccs

Dont give shit ideas please

Enough noise coming from the charlatan proposer and his soon to be cheerleaders

Aight, I'll keep them here

Jebus said thou shall use monero 

```

Many groups (Monero adversaries and most of Defcon management) hope for cancellation of the services provided by this CCS, so it would align with their interests to reject this proposal.

```

finishes with fud / manipulation

Reeeejected

Someone else wanna go?

Msbv can sit at home for this one

> After negotiating with Defcon management for eight months, we secured an assignment in the Caesars Forum Defcon vendor area. We are the only cryptocurrency or blockchain group at Defcon this year.

This is the salvageable part

```

Even better would be finding someone in Vegas to man a table with Monero flyers, which would cost a much more reasonable ~$5,000 total. - sgp

```

agreed

* After negotiating with Defcon management for eight months, we secured an assignment in the Caesars Forum Defcon vendor area. We are the only cryptocurrency or blockchain group at Defcon this year.

and i agree with Justins comment also, there are positives here

* > After negotiating with Defcon management for eight months, we secured an assignment in the Caesars Forum Defcon vendor area. We are the only cryptocurrency or blockchain group at Defcon this year.

depends on if msvb adjusts the proposal or not

If not, im voting to 🚮 it at meeting. Not stalling.

Use a homeless person or a person who lost it all on black!!

skill issue

shouldve known the pattern

<naphtha[m]> "what the fuck does that badge do..." <- If its like the Monerokon Badge: I estimate components are 20€ total, with assembly and case a badge may cost 30€.

I didn't get one of the "free" (sponsored by firo) units at monerokon, so I asked msvb to purchase a retail one. I was ready to pay 50€ on the spot ("fair" markup for retail I think) but I got quoted 160€ 💀💀💀

Giving away any non-monero related hardware is a joke on its own, expecting the community to pay those kind of markups is ridiciolous. And if it actually cost you 50€ to make: lol, learn to optimize and improve production workflow

I agree with Justin's suggestion: Salvage the booth for some presence at defcon and that's enough

Monero Capitalism

<recanman[m]> "1 XMR is 1 XMR" <- That's true. But how many eggs are 1 XMR?

Depends on the seller I guess

depends on the eggs I guess

<ofrnxmr[m]> "wait, whats an sjw" <- Same as a keyboard warrior, but worse 😂

recanman: ceetee🇧🇪 (`1 XMR` * `value in local currency`) / `local price of one egg` = ?

<TrasherDK[m]> "recanman: ceetee🇧🇪 (`1 XMR` * `..." <- You forgot to `* 24 / 25`

Math is not my first, second or even 10th language.

PTSD triggered

i noticed crypto-armory.com on monerica.com (purchase ammunition with XMR or ETH), FenixAmmunition just throwing mud. they are Bitcoin-first (and only) judging by this blog here fenixammo.com/blogs/news/start-usin…oin-btc-for-your-firearms-purchases

Glitter finance have responded to one comment on their CCS: repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…als/-/merge_requests/396#note_21764

None of my concerns were addressed, instead I got a generic marketing response describing glitter.... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…3f60e0b7d665468ca62bef3e22f6fa72344>)

yeet it 🚮

Click at your own risk:

MajesticBank @MajesticBank:libera.chat: and OrangeFren: collabo intercambio.app, now leads to the UN website

🍿

And 🦗s from them. Do they not know? Well.. heres me pinging them

Sounds like a secure backend to send your crypto to

If it got hacked

If not.. what tha absolute fuck

<plowsof11> "Glitter finance have responded..." <- Word salad

op says will integrate Monero privacy network infrastructure... serving as an intermediary to render cross-chain data private before it final destination

"8 networks"

lmao

Btc and forks... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…8abb3f097676c151d97bdc1d61a3fa0b459>)

<plowsof11> "i noticed crypto-..." <- maybe he just did the spergout to appease the bitcoin maxis crowd. but it could also be that his btcpayserver hoster does not support customizations.

Oh. They mean "solana, polygon, eth, avax, tron, algo"

So.. just evm. Lol @ "cross chain"

"how to swap nfts privately"

1. Dont use monero

2. Figure it out. TornadoNFT

spirobel[m]: you can get btcpayserver as a managed solution for example: voltage.cloud/btcpay and I assume many of these merchants use a service like this.

ofrnxmr[m]: > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> "how to swap nfts privately"

> 1. Dont use monero

> 2. Figure it out. TornadoNFT

Again with the "whore monero for privacy, while pretending these other chains are superior currencies or MOE"

ofrnxmr[m]: do they even know monero isnt evm

Yeah. they want to use it to launder money from surveillance chains

Launder nfts***

(which doesnt work)

For the same reason houdiswap is snake oil

s/houdiswap/houdiniswap/

<ofrnxmr[m]> "Click at your own risk:..." <- > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> Click at your own risk:

> MajesticBank @MajesticBank:libera.chat: and OrangeFren: collabo intercambio.app, now leads to the UN website

monerobull @monerobull:matrix.org:

i have seen

Sup with that?

they trying to go fishing?

idk

No response from them anywhere?

maybe they got hacked?

ofrnxmr[m]: majestic isn't that known for great communication lmao

<nioc> "for 20k we can give away 120xmr" <- we could cover kabul completely in Monero stickers 🤣

will some one PLEASE think of the afgan children??

Women*

whatever

what kind of peripherals does the tag have?

for 5 xmr we could have covered Beirut in stickers..

and thrown a party for the sticker placers repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/367

plowsof11: problem is nobody cares about beirut. twitter.com/wikileaks/status/1429075944619261953

lebanese women are hotter than afghan

i vote support the women of lebanon

spirobelopen a CCS to defund the CIA

r4v3r23[m]: you can say what you want about the CIA but it worked. This report is from 2010. The war continued for another decade and Afghan women are meme now in the mind of the western public. Nobody cares about Lebanon women. Sad but true.

<r4v3r23[m]> "lebanese women are hotter than..." <- does not matter if they are hot or not 😆

spirobel[m]: thats where youre wrong

haram

harem > haram

harems arent haram\

based

you have to be rich as shit though as the quaran states you have to be able to provide for all ot them

#monero-offtopic:monero.social

<r4v3r23[m]> "i vote support the women of..." <- my vote goes to women of japan

Theres no ccs for that

ofrnxmr[m]: "represent Monero at cosplay / anime conference in Japan" the payment will be used for 10 xmr air ticket, 2xmr maid costume, 6xmr buying weeb stuff, 1 xmr monero flyers and both, 0.5 xmr entrance ticket

Monerochan

wownerochan

I support

spirobel[m]: 10xmr+ costume (custom)

instead of funding someones vacation id rather hire a 3d artist to make us a proper model

Both

Find us a famous cosplayer

(I was just joking just to be very clear)

I wasnt

Its not 20k tohave her hand out badges

Ill support msvb ccs if he dresses up like monerochan /s

ofrnxmr[m]: but just using money as an incentive wont work.

can anyone here setup a username/password on their node for me to test something

<spirobel[m]> ""represent Monero at cosplay..." <- I know to people who may be willing to lend their maid costume 👀

plowsof

r4v3r23[m]: He probably doesnt want to restart those nodes when people are using them

ceetee[m]: have you been to this kind of conference before? or your friend?

I have been at monerokon 😅

adding a password = downtime as well

I dont really want to restart mine and change config either..

<ofrnxmr[m]> "Find us a famous cosplayer" <- apparently japans most famous cosplayer enako.shop

r4v3r23 @r4v3r23:monero.social: ofrnxmrqhjqb2zwl2zafkyv7cd52k5yrnivlu37mo7a7qsd4a3tva5id.onion:18089

u & p are nahuhh

the problem is that there is not enough material around Monerochan to make this character "cosplayable".

ofrnxmr[m]: thank you

Let me know when youre done so i can remove the username and pw

getting connection failed on 2 wallets

Working in cake

Doesnt seem to be working in stack

or feather

Hm

anon & mysu also no connect

post in feather

See if others can connect

Cake is working, so not sure

Stack was broken > fixed (clearnet at least) > looks broken again

you sure cuck is actually using the username and pass

Yes. Its completing the sync

try in feather

No problem

Not working with appimage and "allow feather to manage tor"

Working if i run tor daemon manually

Feather bug

It required a restart of feather after enabling "allow feather to start daemon", then after doing so it deleted the username and password

Working though.

* Working though. (after readding username and pw)

ofrnxmr[m]: you mean socks vs tor?

correction: tobtoht @tobtoht:mone ro.social: restart seems to forger the node username and password

Everytime

i dont need to restart, just set to socks instead of tor in proxy settings

r4v3r23[m]: I mean sudo systemctl start tor + uncheck "allow feather to manage"

vs

sudi systemctl stop tor + check "allow feather to manage"

i just switched setting and it works

no restart of tor/feather

r4v3r23[m]: Need to restart feather because feather isnt applying settings correctly

works for me

(feather isnt starting the daemon on its own unless i restart after enabling)

Using your own tor daemon (socks) works fine

<ofrnxmr[m]> "Working if i run tor daemon..." <- ^

<ofrnxmr[m]> "It required a restart of feather..." <- ^ to use the built in tor management

<ofrnxmr[m]> "Not working with appimage and "..." <- And i only tried appimage 2.4.9

tldr: cake 👍, stack 👎, feather 👍

Username and password is working in cake

not in stack

and forgets the username and password in feather, but it works if you re-add on each launch

* Username and password is working in cake

not in stack

and feather forgets the username and password, but it works if you re-add on each launch

<ofrnxmr[m]> "correction: tobtoht @tobtoht:..." <- Yes, this was fixed. Included in next release.

the rendering error with intercambrio.app has been fixed

s/intercambrio/intercambio/

What was the cause

i still misspelled it

not sure, i could only guess

<plowsof11> "the rendering error with..." <- out of all the websites, the fucking UN page

hilarious

<plowsof11> "the rendering error with..." <- "Made with 🧡, in undisclosed locations" hiding behind cloudflare 💀

Siren: it was redirecting to UN website earlier 💀

Shill

from 4chan:

In related news, a potentially devastating ZKP tech vulnerability has just been discovered.... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…c5d84a84ebaebaeb7fb60c0ee51d620f435>)

kayabanerve: as our zk expert, thoughts?

Rucknium: has been sending this around for a bit. I've already commented, and it was discussed in Firo research.

Nova, the paper stands.

Nova, the impl, insecurely extended the paper.

The end

New cryptography is high risk. That includes Curve Trees.

Monero's original implementation had a counterfeiting flaw that was undetected for years (confirmed never exploited on the Monero blockchain).

The original proposal for RingCT was insecure. After a few months, MRL realized it and fixed it, before it was deployed to mainnet

Found me?

That's just Monero. Zcash had a counterfeiting flaw (unknown if exploited). So did Firo (exploited). And then Secret Network's whole transaction graph was potentially revealed in an exploit.

More info starting on page 12 here: github.com/Rucknium/presentations/b…ucknium-Monerotopia-2023-Slides.pdf

good thing no one from monero community begged ztrash for an exemption/permission to use their tech

oh wait....

<Rucknium[m]> "That's just Monero. Zcash had..." <- that was on the monerokon trivia :P

Next trivia night i’m teaming with ruck

Plowsof suxd

Is there any chance Monero could get rid of the cryptography stuff to prevent bugs from happening in the first place

hey... how am i meant to know that "monero" means "money" in Esperanto

Cleartext? Transactions

In bitcoin I can simply get my calculator out and add up every single transaction

Can we add that feature to Monero

questions about the konferenco playlist on youtube: are all the videos posted? it says "(unedited)", does that mean there are edited ones coming? and a comment that they are not in order. not sure whom runs the channel.

#monero-events:monero.social ajs_ has access to the channel. they will be edited properly soon

right, editing is a time consuming process and we might outsource the work depending how our balance looks after paying all outstanding debts

i put out raw, unedited videos to get the content out to the public ASAP

all main stage talks have been uploaded

and remote talks

i still need to upload IoC in person talks

yep, no worries and thanks! just planning a consumption strategy 😅

how much did glitter want? they asked zcash for 75k zcashgrants.org/gallery/25215916-53ea-4041-a3b2-6d00c487917d/41270485

Since the beginning of this year, a bunch of groups that applied to Zcash also applied to MAGIC Monero Fund. We rejected them all.

at the moment, 445 xmr is 74154.96 USD so we would be getting a slight discount

Monero vc fund

There could be a good project that applies to both "funds", but we haven't seen it yet.

they still haven't corrected the "id" to "is" in the first sentence yet though (and other typos) - they have time before the meeting on the 8th

you can buy this stuff for 35 bucks per kilo on aliexpress aliexpress.com/item/100500256498957…21TW%210&curPageLogUid=0MJD6ER06Isw

glitter

Glitter bomb 

glitter has use cases though dys2p.com/en/2021-12-tamper-evident-protection.html