<Rucknium[m]> "It's still .bitmonero in the..." <- Someone wanted to change this, didn’t they? Fluffy?

Og

meeting in 4 hours 15:00 utc monero-project/meta #857

I am excited.

Exciting times

Lovera[m]: That issue on Github has been open for many years iirc

meeting time monero-project/meta #857

2. Greetings

Hello.

hello everyone

Hello.

Greetings

Hi everyone

lets talk about some recent events :) alot of Monerokon presentations have already been uploaded (raw/unedited) thanks to ajs_ here : youtube.com/@MoneroCommunityWorkgroup , i have also titled / linked to a few (not all) in this github comment: monero-project/meta #857#issuecomment-1620790110 (please forgive the youtube links)

hello

the recent "sideshift dropping xmr" news - in-app swaps are still working inside cakewallet/monerujo but its "iffy"

Having the MoneroKon talks available is really convenient for me, I still think that a summary should be included in the title.

the events team will discuss the.. video editing.. titles.. and what not later today 👍️ any feedback for them if you want to drop it here much appreciated thanks

plowsof11: Wow this is great!! Very nice Plowsof!!

not sure sideshift works in monerujo, does it ? since it's xmr -> other coins

anhdres:

>for the time being, sideshift service in the app seems to be working, but it's a hit or miss. we'll still working on a replacement asap

its basically 'over' , hello majesticbank

Whenever it's a good time to focus on MoneroKon, let me know so that I can announce the dates for MoneroKon 2024 please.

seems like a community highlight, go ahead msvb-lab!

Thanks plowsof11.

The Monero Konferenco 2024 will take place in Prague, at La Fabrika and Paralelni Polis on 7-9 June 2024.

That is the last weekend after the Prague Blockchain Week event.

We have three days at the same venue that we rented this year for 2023.

Hello sorry I'm late

So welcome to make your plans early, thanks dankon.

thanks for the heads up!

MajesticBank: Anhdres has commented in the Monero group in Spanish that apparently they have removed it from their official website but it still works in the app. They have tested it and it gives error. I have not tried it today

You're welcome.

I've noticed tho monerujo wasn't listed on their site so far, or just removed also

while there are some other wallets listed on sideshift website

also reg the side shift issue: [a pull request to replace sideshift with majesticbank feedback](monero-project/monero-site #2183#pullrequestreview-1518711403)

which needs input from the community, "MB to be listed as a swapper on getmonero"

drop feedback in the issue / here , wherever - i predict there will be alot of discussion - perhaps out-sourcing the problem and listing kycnot.me instead could be an option (maintaining the list of swappers is annoying)

[Kukoin to require KYC after 15th July](coindesk.com/business/2023/06/28/cr…duce-mandatory-id-checks-next-month)

This discussion could be left to the end xD if we start we don't finish.

😀

plowsof11: > <@plowsof:matrix.org> also reg the side shift issue: [a pull request to replace sideshift with majesticbank feedback](monero-project/monero-site #2183#pullrequestreview-1518711403)

> which needs input from the community, "MB to be listed as a swapper on getmonero"

no

the monero policy / panel presentation at monerokon was a good watch - the monero policy team are starting up their meetings again. next meeting on the 11th July monero-project/meta #858

Intercambio was redirecting to the UN.

no explanation, no listing

shout out to tobtoht for this [Bootstrappable Builds](monero-project/monero #8929) pull request

intercambio was thing with vps provider, orangefren can explain better, it was fixed within few hours

Vps provider redirected to UN? Lol

What does that mean that it redirects to the UN?

Ok. Ill wait for orangefren

Redirects to un.org?

s/?/?!/

It means it sent you tonthe United Nations website

That is quite odd

Very secure place to send your crypto /s

anything else we have missed 🤔 ccs.getmonero.org/funding-required has received some large donations recently ❤️

Wow! Bootstrappable builds is HUGE and I was not aware of this. Thanks for the heads up

<plowsof11> "[Kukoin to require KYC after..." <- This ia big news

plowsof11: Wow, a large difference from last week.

plowsof11: Niceee

ofrnxmr[m]: And should not be glossed over

Kucoin allowed us citizens to buy monero. They dont support usa, but they dont kyc. Kyc means no more usa.

recanman[m]: by any chance it has not been from the GF? xD

If you havent already, get your crypto off. And if they still let you, so empty their reserves

Go* empty

Lovera[m]: Not sure, could be.

Lovera: no , not that im aware (bF drops a comment on the proposals after a GF donation)

#monero-policy:monero.social is where the next policy meeting will be taking place

What is the Monero Policy Workgroup?

s/Workgroup/Working Group/

For those who don't know, bootstrap builds means that reproducible builds cannot be disrupted by a malicious OS or compiler

some of them are in the panel here during this presentation youtube.com/watch?v=7LQsqMYVn2M

reproducible builds are very important

specially for mobile wallets, its possible trough fdroid

good work from tobtoht

midipoet gives a good introduction to what the monero policy group is all about in that presentation

Thank you.

now, anything else? i think weve had a good overview

I don't think so.

4. [CCS updates](ccs.getmonero.org)

b. [recanman bitejo rewrite and expansion proposal](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/395)

Can I give a +1 for my own CCS?

your presence alone during the meeting is a +

I was making a joke, but thank you.

* thank you very much.

but uhm yeah, there has been alot of talk / changes suggested / ive even left a comment recently about the issue of "marketplaces" being funded by the ccs (historically, anything marketplace related was not put forward)

I want to emphasize that the marketplace is one of the four planned 'services'.

I do agree with plowsof's points about the marketplace.

* Nevertheless, I do

noted that openbazaar received 9million in investments and still failed

granted, market place is as you say, one of the planned services

as has been noted it is not the existence of markets but the bootstrapping of them that is the issue

I will promote it on my weekly publication, *[The Monero Standard](localmonero.co/the-monero-standard)*

or any of the other services that are being worked on which already exist

there is couple of similar markets, I don't understand why we don't have one common project, where everyone can work on

logistically with this being your first CCS, a 6 month endeavour is a huge commitment for not only yourself but the community

3 month is the usual maximum time

Well, I am not employed, so I have a lot of freetime.

Most of my freetime goes towards a hobby project.

I remember erccisione scolding me on my first CCS for putting 6 months instead of 3. Newbies are only allowed 3 months xD

I don't think I'll be able to complete the CCS in three months/

s///./

* I don't think I'll be able to complete the CCS proposal in three months.

its not a technical problem that needs to be solved 'now' rather ... get people using the site, and show me the complaints about it "sucking" from numerous users and show some cool things that where done via bitejo marketplace to generate hype in 'making it great'

recanman[m]: What can be achieved in 3 months?

In three months, I can finish one or two services.

as the proposal is written currently, im voting close but its worth giving more time to see if it changes in 2~ weeks

leave it open for more discussion

I am neutral on this proposal. I agree that bootstrapping (marketing, good administration) is much much more important, but I'm not against donors funding this development work if they want to.

you should read the book The cold start problem. can be found on libgen

the propsal before my eyes right now: close

I am really interested, but as MB mentions, there are other similar services. If we could just put it all together in one development and make the most of it, it would be great.

That is the plan.

needs more discussion / leave open is the majority ? (remember that core will probably not want a marketplace on the ccs, but i have not asked)

shall we move on?

Sorry guys

I had a comment on that

45xmr and drop jobs part

Dropping jobs permanently?

To be super honest right now I'm thinking about closing.

I know the proposal has been modified quite a bit and it's interesting, but I still think something doesn't add up. Maybe the amount?

So basically rewrite and maintain backend fir 2 yrs

Is it too much, or too little?

with 20 mins left and 3 ideas to discuss, we must leave it open until next meeting as discussion / changes is ongoing

ofrnxmr[m]: Oh, this could be intresting

go next

plowsof11: yep

c. [Glitter Finance Cross-Chain Privacy Infrastructure with Monero](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/396) Close / wait for rebuttal

close

close

close

close

<MajesticBank> "not sure sideshift works in..." <- I've also got errors and then one minute later it works. Pretty erratic. We were working towards saying goodbye to sideshift anyway.

Close with haste

close

nioc and Cat proxy vote: close

100% close

closing glitter , moving on

d. [Serving Defcon 31 (2023)](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/397) Negative feedback / issues with costs

close

anhdres[m]: It's sad they hadn't gave you some time before doing such thing, comments in their group is also weird "liquidity issue"

recanman[m]: I don't feel that 20k for badges is a good idea

20000 USD for badges for me = close... Sorry

I think 20k is too much, because impact is low

duplicate of serve defcon 30 which was also sadly unsuccessful, i vote also close

Burn it with fire

closing serve defcon 31, moving on

e. [XMR Business Wallet Development](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/398)

Not sure about this one

plowsof11: Ya tenemos RINO

its a close from me

Oops sorry, we already have rhino

a lot of details missing on this one

s/rhino/Rino/

close

close

considering sideshift is mentioned in the proposal ... and USDC is it really a tough one

plowsof11: Burn it with fire

no

makes little sense when the merchant that he says inspired him to do this already has a method of accepting monero, btcpay server

Burn it with napalm

it doesn't even say the language of the wallet, platform

The motivation is good but the specific plans are questionable

indeed nioc, monerokon uses btcpay , AND rino for their perspective advantages

nowpayments also has a ... crypto to fiat service

Should open a ccs for that subscription wallet instead

The subscription wallet is nice, I looked at it around a month ago. There isn't too much to change though, I'm not sure a CCS would be relevant.

You can ccs for past work.. i think..

ccs for past work is not prefferred, but it has happened

there has been a "they use alot of chatgpt" and are "hobbyist/self taught" python devs

accusation for that subscription wallet , which could effect them

What is wrong with self-taught?

early on in their journey / green

I think it's a pretty good show of determination. I may have a bias since I am self-taught.

That they learned by copy paste from chatgpt

Notice the "and"

Oh, oops

> Notice the "and"

Thank you

s///

* > Notice the "and"

Thank you

would you as a business, trust them?

or a customer, to protect your hot wallet keys

and not send an incorrect amount if soemthing wrong happens

Self taught could be "signed up for online courses". But i think plowsof isnreferring to quality of code

yes. koe is self taught for c++

ofrnxmr[m]: I don't agree with that. I don't want to deviate the discussion, but self-taught usually means tinkering until you form a strong basis of concepts, then learning through documentation.

I've never signed up for a computer science course and I am self-taught. Maybe that is irrelevant.

early on in their journey* if i can add that then

In that sense, maybe a CCS would be a good idea; if it is done properly, then I am all for it.

closing xmr business wallet

there was no chance for msvb-lab to comment on their ccs which we voted to close

Maybe this is too big of an idea, but why not implement recurring payments in the monero-wallet-gui?

plowsof11: Close it

if they wish to, please do

Maybe it has never come up or has been denied, I would like to know.

No problem, I'll remove Monero. We can move on.

AOB

[Vosto Emisio - Basic Core Concept #1 Tail Emission VO Script.pdf](github.com/monero-project/meta/file…ept.1.Tail.Emission.VO.Script.1.pdf)

Thanks

> Maybe this is too big of an idea, but why not implement recurring payments in the monero-wallet-gui?

Any responses to this?

they have an idea for the video. similar to tx streeet - there will be a line outside 2 buildings (to get in) - im describing the concept terribly here

recanman[m]: why not use a credit card?

Subscriptions

maybe this would make sense as a payroll system. or payables system

but susbcriptions has the wrong connotation

Is what I mean

to represent the fee market* when it was explained to me correctly it sounded good 😅

Applies to both payrolls and subscriptions I would say.

subscirptions is a marketing word, there is no such thing - you turn your wallet on and it auto sends a payment

if you dont turn your wallet on then no payments are made

Yes, you leave the wallet open. Monero subscriptions wallet requires it to be open.

plowsof11: I'm on phone so I rather not describe it all, but all please glance through the script and thumbs up or down

i cant subscribe to anything unless my hot keys are in some custodial service

script is a +1 from me

Recurring payments are defined to an address, and the wallet will try every set amount of time to make a payment to the address. Say it is closed and then opened, if the time has passed, it will send it.

vostoemisio[m]: +1

havent read it yet. Thanks

subscribe in the sense of how my fiat payments are handled , automated without any input from myself - for this to happen on monero - hot keys have to be on 'an internet connected device / running 24/7' this is the "custodial service" i mention , am i wrong?

plowsof11: I think the only way subscriptions in monero make sense is a long payment cycle (months or years) and then revoke access to the respective resource when the subscription expires. I built a tool for that ... monerochan.cash/tools

shorter payment cycles like on the order of days or weeks are too cumbersome for consumers ... that would be more appropriately called payables or payroll

plowsof11: You are not wrong, but doesn't have to be 24/7.

spirobel[m]: This is what I was thinking of.

Cronjob

* thinking of, but integrated in the monero-wallet-gui., * . It seems like a farfetched idea.

Loloo

ofrnxmr[m]: Lol

cron should start a ccs

Point of monero-wallet-gui is for people who don't know what a cronjob is, right?

<naphtha[m]> "is that usdt or actual usd?" <- Using Kraken API to list your balance, it will show as USDT 😬

Rather for simplicity, but also for people who are not necessarily 'technical' in a sense.

Have a good day everyone. Dankon everyone for the meeting and plowsof11 for the good moderation.

i think we can end it there, thank you for all attending. closing all but recanmans

Goodbye everyone, have a nice rest of your day

Thanks Mr. Chairperson

Thanks everyone!

<recanman[m]> "This is what I was thinking of." <- the concept is too complex to integrate into a wallet. The use case is too different from a typical wallet user. Think of a company that needs to handle payroll and payables for suppliers etc. It is more erp than wallet. There is specialize software for this. Some companies also offer this as a service. They sometimes have money transmitter licenses. So Monero could be a

replacement for those. But this would only make sense if a monero economy / supply chain existed. (which is currently not the case, it is a chicken and egg problem / network cold start problem)

spirobel[m]: Good point

CCS for monero-subscriptions-wallet or a new software should be done though

s/specialize/specialized/

To be honest, I will probably make a CCS for that if my current one gets killed.

another issue: rottenwheel (current editor of revuo-xmr.com wishes to be unbanned from this and other rooms)

recanman[m]: you should read the book "the cold start problem"

plowsof11: What did rottenwheel do?

spirobel[m]: I will get the book today. Thank you.

The reason is that I need a little money, I am barely surviving off of the xmr I have now

* have now. If I can contribute to the community + make some income, that would help me quite a lot.

recanman[m]: Threatened to kill plowsof

I witnessed it

Wow, why did he threaten to kill plowsof/ofrnxmr?

Im jk

I had my life threatened by someone who was invited back and paid

"threatened" with heavy quotation marks

**"** <- like this

make it bold

ty

plowsof11: I am not into the matter, but how much passed since the ban?

i was not as involved in goings on back then - but there are personal issues with admins that need to be talked about / forgiven

Hes been banned f(r well over a year

And ive watched him get kicked f(r FAKE threats

i would have to guess, but his bans began at least... 2? 3 years ago?

Unban him today

If mods want to reban him, i want proof

would it be fair to say that people here would like the staff/matrix admins to consider unbanning rottenwheel ?

ofrnxmr[m]: wtf for real?

no

He said that he was kidding.

<recanman[m]> "I will get the book today. Thank..." <- > <@recanman:agoradesk.com> I will get the book today. Thank you.

> The reason is that I need a little money, I am barely surviving off of the xmr I have now. If I can contribute to the community + make some income, that would help me quite a lot.

we all do. There is not much demand for Monero labour currently and too much supply. So we need to think about how we can change that. You can find the book for free on libgen. It can help to better understand the challenge you try to solve with your ccs.

obviously not a real threat but fucking petty behaviour

plowsof11: yes just unban him. we dont need to do a tribunal

+1 on giving rotten another chance

the people have spoken

He contributes selflessly

plowsof11: are monerologs kept for 2-3 years?

alright enough the people have spoken bring him back

no need to overdo it lol

"the people" lmao

racist

spirobel[m]: Unfortunately, I don't have a strong-enough understanding of cryptography in order to be able to contribute to the Monero project. I am pretty good at C++, but doesn't help if I don't know cryptography.

If there are any projects that I can work on, I am open, because I am looking for one that isn't a hobby project.

ofrnxmr[m]: jk lmao

i just think its funny some one who bans people on a whim from his own chats is begging to be unbanned himself

unban everyone. we need new reddit mods too

when presented with ' yo udid these things ' rottenwheels response has been that it was 'edgy' / trolling

It is, but this isnt a "personal chat room"

e.g. when he appeared on monerotalk some time ago

This is monero, and rotten could never be a mod here

ive seen worse from people who are here today

plowsof11: juvenile and tiresome. but whatever

we dont police peoples behaviour. youre free to act as you want, and people are free to treat you as they wish

Yep. Unban. Reban if necessary

blame me if he threatens erc again

theyre both the same XD

<recanman[m]> "I will get the book today. Thank..." <- > <@recanman:agoradesk.com> I will get the book today. Thank you.

> The reason is that I need a little money, I am barely surviving off of the xmr I have now. If I can contribute to the community + make some income, that would help me quite a lot.

Shoot me a message.

recanman[m]: AIUI you don't need to know cryptography to contribute to monero

<plowsof11> "another issue: rottenwheel (..." <- Imo, if plowsof is okay with it, I think we should unban him after talking to him and expressing the expectations of what is permitted and what isn't. He's reached out to me a few times since the ban, but I haven't spoken with him yet

the gentry has spoken too

* the gentry has spoken

i am ok with unbanning sgp , if you could handle the talking to part, then we can turn the page and start a new chapter **butterflys fluttering around on a summers day, love is in the air**

thanks anhdres

Rotten and I had our differences in the past (we did the El Monero podcast together yet we split for a reason) but after so much time it wouldn't hurt to give him a try.

When he misbehaves it's pretty easy to spot 😆

<sgp[m]> "Imo, if plowsof is okay with it,..." <- I do have to personally question the earnestness of the I've learned my lesson bit based on his past actions in the last month or two and can comment further in like an hour or two. Currently AFK

personai, i am still not entirely certain as to whether ofrnxmr[m] is not just an alt of rotten. if we unban rotten, we might just end up doubling the fun/obtuseness (whatever the perspective is).

Or xeagu. It could be one person.

+1

also, re the DefCon CCS, i understand the hesitation to spend on badges, but historically we would have spent quite a bit on them for DefCon events. while the benefit is not immediately quantifiable, they definitely attract interest, and are still probably the most interesting/valuable swag that Monero has ever given away as outreach/marketing.

msvb-lab: i have met both xeagu and rotten in person, and they are definitely not the same person

the defcon ccs was rejected last year repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/326

and core request that the proposer give updates on their uncompleted FFS proposal each time they make a ccs proposal repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…als/-/merge_requests/397#note_21796

I don't know too much about the FFS, to be honest. I do know that i miss the DefCon presence though. Perhaps we should focus more on trying to improve that somehow (with or without badges), or even our presence at something like C3. Monero being represented at genuine hacker events is relatively important as an outreach venture (imo), and has been lacking recently.

<midipoet> "I don't know too much about..." <- even just attending is useful. There is so much to be learned about how an organization / community functions. Especially at the after parties when people get drunk 🍻

pre registration tickets for defcon 31 where up for $460 but i cant find the page atm

plowsof11: taiwan dollars or us dollars? 😆

so for the price of two tickets we could purchase a sponsorship tier of this conference for example: coscup.org/2023/en/sponsorship

(just googled it no idea if it is any good, just to see what local conference here cost)

a portion of the defcon fanbase are not happy with the price hikes of course

Most people (managers, staff, goons, and villages) are quite happy when we deny Monero participation at Defcon. The entrance prices are quite high as well, but we should push 30K elite hackers attending this year.

It will be a big one, and even better that we are supposed to focus on family friendly content.

You can buy a car for 30k

With a lot of mini eight year old hackers around, so they will get served well and become the next generation of security developers.

Jesus

i think 30k people

Not money DandarkIsnotthe, 30K people visiting.

The money is in the millions.

Probably fifteen to twenty million this year.

$29600= Total production cost for serving at Defcon

<plowsof11> "pre registration tickets for..." <- It's $440 if you pay in cash. The $460 prereg closed last week and the $20 was for the Square processing fees and such

why dont we attend different conferences? hackerman seems to be naturally interested in monero. No need to further entice him.

<xmrscott[m]> "I do have to personally question..." <- Alright, at a system that is conducive to typing. Let's start with a quick overview of examples of why he was banned. Long story short, some of the reasons he was banned are, but are not limited to:... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…d165084ba24a40c504dc7e71b58ec3ac6f4>)

When he pressed mods to be unbanned in early 2022, he was asked if he could follow LiberaChat's ToS. He said no, and even decided to say "Fuck Off" to LiberaChat's ToS publicly (web.archive.org/web/20220115110342/…tenwheel/status/1482307482060046338)

You will notice a general trend of harassment and racist rhetoric across several facets of the Monero community. So... should the ban be lifted? Has he truly changed from 2022's stance, 'screw LiberaChat's ToS', and learned his lessons that hateful rhetoric violates the LiberaChat's ToS? I would say no based on a quick scan of his other profiles. For context, the first reply on May 24th, 2023, "R", is him completing a racist slur:

Now... if MoneroEsp has lifted his ban and he hasn't engaged in the kinds of behavior that got him banned there I could see a reason for the ban being lifted here. I'm not a MoneroEsp mod so I can't speak to his current standing there. If the MoneroEsp ban still stands I see no reason why it should be lifted elsewhere

I have nothing personal against the guy, even let him sleep at my place for defcon for free in 2019. But on this particular point I think the evidence suggests an unban is the best move here

s/is the/isn't the

<xmrscott[m]> "Now... if MoneroEsp has lifted..." <- okay, thank you

<xmrscott[m]> "Alright, at a system that is..." <- > <@xmrscott:monero.social> Alright, at a system that is conducive to typing. Let's start with a quick overview of examples of why he was banned. Long story short, some of the reasons he was banned are, but are not limited to:... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…3f3ff84a1e83b7f7f0e2305dc7e147ee72f>)

* wow looks like he need to get a life. i knew he had small-dick syndrome but this is just sad

Sure learnt his lesson. You had a dot point of offences. 

s/./…../

[plowsof](<matrix.to/#/@plowsof:matrix.org>) in the defcon proposal you said something about an unfinished css?

yes, Kastelllo

iirc this one forum.getmonero.org/9/work-in-progr…26/advancing-monero-hardware-wallet

Oh yeah

Purgatory 

8xmr

DefCon and other promotions⁴

And now 30k to do that

last year justin asked/suggested a more cost effective solution (budget of around 5k) for defcon 30, and now the same advice for defcon 31

Ledger has long memory 

Or deja vu 

<plowsof11> "i am ok with unbanning sgp..." <- Lecture for what?

Can we invite a lot of -pools and some users here as well? People say cancelable stuff all the time. He knows the rules. Ban him again if he breaks em

Invite to this lecture*

Ive been threatened, and nobody did anything and i wasnt even given an apology

The apology was "i dont need a gun"

ofrnxmr[m]: Suck it up princess!

ew

But yeah. What ive seen from rotten is far weaker than most of what i see on a regular basis

<ofrnxmr[m]> "But yeah. What ive seen from..." <- like a chichuachua

permabans are also weak sauce

24/25 needed one

But he'd just dm ya instead

lecture slide 2: Do not be like n*ptha!

I would also like the return of revuo released to be posted to @monero twitter

Observer is down for the time being (get well soon escapethe3ra: )

disagree - @monero should be as irrelevant as possible

no one speaks for "monero"

I do.

But the only thing I say for it is: "Monero"

k

what about "xmr"?

But fr I've always been a bit uncomfortable with the twitter yeah.

I am but if we dont keep it, someone else will

And its importsnt for releases

i remember once when some of pissed/drunk and was trolling

it should be seen as something to be "accepted" by, ie getting tweeted/retweeted by @monero

* i remember once when someone one was pissed/drunk and was trolling

ofrnxmr[m]: This was what ultimately led me to shut my mouth about it yeah.

I dont like that the dms are unknown

ofrnxmr[m]: i dont mean give it away. sell it to vik for 400k

its weird there is no fediverse account

yeah, info purely about the project. no culture/community stuff

releases/bugs/announcements from core

to swap with monero.com domain

s/to/do/

Ofrnxmrs ccs

neg

css holiday fund

Geonics movie

its the same with wallets listed on getmonero/reddit

either list them all, or only the official ones

neg thats css gofundme

picking and choosing is lame

r4v3r23[m]: Thats why dms are important too. Should be an autoresponder telling people to go to Monero and Monero Support or the same on reddirmt etc

problem is you list the wrong one and something happens

plowsof gets sued

r4v3r23[m]: Speaking of, Monero doesn't crash on Stack iOS anymore so I should see about finally getting on there.

never crashed for me

on duo tho

only official ones should be listed

even that last update allows for self signed nodes

It would for some iOS users. Led me to hold off on asking for the PR to be merged.

r4v3r23[m]: Official ones being the GUi?

CLI/GUI

so how do people know the other ones

Yeah. I can see the argument behind core stewarded only

advertsing

twitter

self promotion

word of mouth

its not monero projects job

sounds like nord vpn marketing

It's really a question of whether getmonero is an all-encompassing gateway to all "trusted" things Monero (for some definition of trusted)

"trusted" is tricky

Or if it should be core stewarded stuff to minimize COI and stuff.

wallets shouldnt need cores "approval"

community trusted

Right

DanrdarkIsnotthe: As measured by?

"the community" isnt a static consensus

different wallets for different folks

look how many times i see whats the best wallet to use

scams should be called out for sure

<DanrdarkIsnotthe> "its weird there is no fediverse..." <- There is, but inactive ATM. It's just in the process of being moved. Im in favor of Clackey over Mastodon, but I'm waiting for impending v14 release before making the last move and making active

DanrdarkIsnotthe: Right but the responses are opinions. Which is how it should be, no?

DiegoSalazar[m]: me

I go back and forth on this

community consensus i guess, otherwise no one will be using a wallet

use this one, no use this one

confuses people

id like to see all "official" monero website/twitter/social media be stripped of anything that isnt core-related

who runs @monero anyway?

please remove info with ledger and trezor compatibility ?

no one needs consensus

r4v3r23[m]: not core i dont think

that idea lets big compnaies buy and pay for "consensus"

DanrdarkIsnotthe: When I worked for them core had access. But didn't do day to day things.

monero consensus is sponsored by .....

i thought it was sgp

But that was many moons ago.

monero moons

r4v3r23[m]: css holiday fund

DanrdarkIsnotthe: there should be a clear process for auditing wallets

DanrdarkIsnotthe: thats an issue. plowsof?

core is super intransparent

r4v3r23[m]: dont see it as any more legitimate than "non core"

translucent

opaque

so no source of truth then?

processes need to be transparent and clearly defined to be legitimate

lets use elite wallet seems legit

i see no reason why diegos understanding of things isnt correct today

who runs the twitter

several people have access , off the top of my head sgp has done some tweets

Core has it but they don't do any daily stuff there

He never tweets about Stack Wallet 🤔

we even have #monero-twitter:monero.social where e,g, monerokon organisers have requested for sgp to make a twoot

DanrdarkIsnotthe: the fed is more transparent than Monero core. You get published meeting minutes and the rules and processes are clear. It is clear how decisions get made and by whom. Dont see that at all with "monero core".

sgp[m]: Does core do daily stuff anywhere? :D

I have access to post, as does at least 1 other person people would recognize, but they don't talk about it for whatever reason. Not my call

DiegoSalazar[m]: youre competition. clear conflict of interest. which is exactly my point

the twitter and anything official should be neutral

pwnd

thats like when people push for a css proposal and dont disclosed conflicts of interest

like actually working on it and getting paid from it

shady shit. as usual

The policy has been so far to promote various things like unofficial wallets (or anything else that is a part of the Monero community) on a bit of a rotation, and yes stack is most definitely overdue for something

how about no third-party policy

i assume there is a pr created to add wallets to getmonero?

But now crashes are gone so... wen 👀

r4v3r23[m]: Fwiw, that's why I made the matrix room, so people could ping me to remind me to post, since I don't pay much attention to that account

shouldnt be dependent on you

r4v3r23[m]: Oof. Before I ever get a turn.

oh yes Diego Salazar the PR to add stack on -site was closed iirc , i assume a re-open if you think its 'ready'

it should be irrelevant expect for most important updates

Technically it's not, I was just the only one willing to post occasionally for a while

create a monero sommunity/social handle for the oether shit

r4v3r23[m]: This is kind of difficult though because who else volunteers to do this stuff?

Fwiw, was it really "shady" that the account was used to promote all the live MoneroKon content?

Or push people to monero.town, the most recent tweet there

DiegoSalazar[m]: not much of a job to put only the most important updates out

so who here has a stake in sdk and hasnt disclosed it???????????????????????

i have not seen any complaints about @monero , only the drunk midnight tweets that one time

plowsof11: Oh it got closed?

The Twitter is a vehicle to promote Monero. That's the main goal. It's never going to be a vehicle for purist tests. It's.... TWITTER. Not Mastodon, not Matrix, not privacy related at all. Etc

DanrdarkIsnotthe: wut

D:

Sdk?

wallet sdk

sgp[m]: you have ppl in an uproar whether or not a newletter or project gets rewtweeted by that account. it has too much influence, and needs to be more netural

The molly thing?

Unfortunately there needs to be a but of political will here to make such a sweeping change on core stewarded platforms.

Bit*

less is more

DanrdarkIsnotthe: words. use them

Coinbase could announce Monero support and people would be mad if I RTd it. It's what it is

so DONT

Nah, not your call

Retweet it

shouldnt be yours either

But dont NOT tweet revuo

Im quite sure coinbase is worse than rotten

yes, DONT teweet revuo

or anythign else non core related

Well then you talk to core and get me removed and you added, under the goals of killing the account. That's good for Monero exposure, definitely

r4v3r23[m]: Shoulda made it first

sgp[m]: youre missing the point... no one should be added

Who cares, you can create an alternative Monero Community Twitter

louissignet[m]: exactly