<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Might run an archieve box and crawl the sites

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Like google but without selling

<m​ichael:monero.social> Members of various events groups are doing onsite outreach. It's only the online outreach that the Monero community has abandoned.

<k​illercat103:matrix.org> How long does it usually take to get support from monerosupplies? I made an order and got over 10 confirmations before it expired on my end but it still expired. (The reciever address is correct)

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Did you order about 2 days ago?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Killercat103:

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> ANSWER ME!

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> If yes, I got the order and it will be shipped today

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> gotta post comment and run

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> gotta love post comment and run

<l​uks2:matrix.org> are there ways to do like smart contract crowdfunding with monero

<r​brunner7:monero.social> No, for lack of smart contracts :)

<l​uks2:matrix.org> so there is monero crowdfunding?

<r​brunner7:monero.social> If you ask me, avoiding any kind of smart contract is pretty smart. You are really lucky if you get a "smart" contract that has no bug, and is exploitable somehow.

<r​brunner7:monero.social> *isn't exploitable

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> I'm scared for serai already

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Feels like every defi protocol ever is getting exploited at some point

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Isn't that only clever multisig and some BTC ops thrown in?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> It is yeah

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> You still need to account for so much

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Probably more than a regular defi protocol

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> It's also way easier for a potential attacker to run away with monero than having to first wash through tornado cash lmao

<l​uks2:matrix.org> i more looking for a way to crowdfund anonymously on like forums and stuff not specifically for monero development

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> There's the wishlist thing

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> plowsof @plowsof:matrix.org:

could you do some smart contract crowdfunding thingy with wrapped XMR (if that is still a thing?)

<r​ucknium:monero.social> m​idipoet: An earlier version of Seraphis would have allowed collaborative fundraising on the blockchain: The funding threshold must be reached or none of the donors actually pay. Like a pledge.

<r​ucknium:monero.social> Search "collaborative" here: monero-project/research-lab #91

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Serai wants to do wrapped xmr at some point

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> So you could do it with that probably

<p​hleb:matrix.org> Hi there. I'm trying to run a Monero private node with a TOR service for RPC. I'm using the maketecheasier.com/host-monero-node-on-tor-linux instructions. However, when I go to finally run daemon it complains : > quote --rpc-bind-ip permits inbound unencrypted external connections. Consider SSH tunnel or SSL proxy instead. Override with --confirm-external-bind

<p​hleb:matrix.org> Hi there. I'm trying to run a Monero private node with a TOR service for RPC. I'm using the maketecheasier.com/host-monero-node-on-tor-linux instructions. However, when I go to finally run daemon it complains : --rpc-bind-ip permits inbound unencrypted external connections. Consider SSH tunnel or SSL proxy instead. Override with --confirm-external-bind

<p​hleb:matrix.org> Are there any implications I should be aware of, and how can I resolve this exception and run a private TOR Monero RPC correctly without any privacy concerns or security risks?

<p​hleb:matrix.org> Hi there. I'm trying to run a Monero private node with a TOR service for RPC. I'm using the maketecheasier.com/host-monero-node-on-tor-linux instructions. However, when I run the monero daemon it complains : --rpc-bind-ip permits inbound unencrypted external connections. Consider SSH tunnel or SSL proxy instead. Override with --confirm-external-bind

<p​hleb:matrix.org> Hi there. I'm trying to run a Monero private node with a TOR service for RPC. I'm using the maketecheasier.com/host-monero-node-on-tor-linux instructions. However, when I run the monero daemon it complains : --rpc-bind-ip permits inbound unencrypted external connections. Consider SSH tunnel or SSL proxy instead. Override with --confirm-external-bind

<p​hleb:matrix.org> Hi there. I'm trying to run a Monero private node with a TOR service for RPC. I'm using the maketecheasier.com/host-monero-node-on-tor-linux instructions. However, when I run the monero daemon it complains : "--rpc-bind-ip permits inbound unencrypted external connections. Consider SSH tunnel or SSL proxy instead. Override with --confirm-external-bind"

just read what it says. You're binding to an external ip, and it will allow inbound unencrypted connections. It's generally not safe to do so. If you still want to do it, add --confirm-external-bind to the command line

<p​hleb:matrix.org> I don't want it to be unsafe. I'm questioning the validity and effectiveness of this set of instructions which is not even a year old. The 18081 RPC port is supposed to be set up as a TOR hidden service in this article. Does this make any difference in this case?

<p​hleb:matrix.org> Aren't TOR connection tunneled through secure connections anyway?

<p​hleb:matrix.org> If this tutorial is in fact correctly configuring TOR to handle all connection to monerod on the RPC port 18081 then isn't that also dictating that all connection are in fact encrypted right up until the local machine inside the TOR service running on the same host as monerod?

<p​hleb:matrix.org> If this tutorial is in fact correctly configuring TOR to handle all connections to monerod on the RPC port 18081 then isn't that also dictating that all connection are in fact encrypted right up until the local machine inside the TOR service running on the same host as monerod?

<p​hleb:matrix.org> If this tutorial is in fact correctly configuring TOR to handle all connections to monerod on the RPC port 18081 then isn't that also dictating that all connections right up to the TOR service running on the same host as monerod are encrypted?

<p​hleb:matrix.org> Does this tutorial prevent monerod from accessing the local network via the internal IP address (for example, a NAT IP address slconfifured by the DHCP router hardware external to the machine hosting TOR and monerod?)

<p​hleb:matrix.org> When binding the monerod IP address to 0.0.0.0 in the bitmonero configuration file, is that preventing monerod from accessing the real DHCP IP address that the network router has provided to the machine hosting TOR and monerod?

<p​hleb:matrix.org> Also when editing the TOR configuration file, does ”Hidden ServiceDir /var/lib/tor/monero” tell the TOR service which programme needs to be forced to use TOR?

<p​hleb:matrix.org> Also what does ”HiddenServicePort 18081 127.0.0.1:18081" do in the torrc file?

<p​hleb:matrix.org> Aren't TOR connections tunneled through secure connections anyway?

it just routes traffic from tor port 18081 to localhost 18081 which should be your rpc

<p​hleb:matrix.org> Does this tutorial prevent monerod from accessing the local network via the internal IP address (for example, a NAT IP address provided autpmatically by the DHCP router hardware external to the machine hosting TOR and monerod)?

first is directory where is data related to your hidden service, private keys, cache

second is port mapping, first is hs port and then your local ip:port

<p​hleb:matrix.org> Okay so /var/lib/tor/monero just contains hidden service data, like onion address and ports to forward on local machine, amongst other tor configuration data. Thank you <MajesricBank>

<p​hleb:matrix.org> <kico> so that tor port setting is forwarding anything that's coming to the onion address for that toe hidden service (monero) to the local machinen IP address only, just like a regular router would port forward on a standard internal network of machines? I think I get it. Thank you.

<p​hleb:matrix.org> <kico> so that tor port setting is forwarding anything that's coming to the onion address for that tor hidden service (monero) to the local machinen IP address only, just like a regular router would port forward on a standard internal network of machines? I think I get it. Thank you.

ye basically

why all messages double?

<p​hleb:matrix.org> Not sure. Not double here. Maybe because I edited them and the Matrix to IRC bridge isn't handling deletions of originals properly? Might be something to take up with the Matrix Monero Community administrators?

ye dunno maybe that :) no biggie

<p​hleb:matrix.org> So am I safe running it this way, seeing as it is apparently set up so that no connections can be made to monerod without first going through the tor service running on the same host?

on torrc you should always bind to localhost for security reasons

monerod is running on localhost

if you want to "share" it over tor you need that setup

not sure I got your question

<p​hleb:matrix.org> Does that tutorial cover that?

guess I missed that part ... which tutorial?

what exactly are you trying to achieve?

<p​hleb:matrix.org> I linked the instructions I'm following above. Do those instructions on the maketecheasier site correctly configure tor and monerod for safe tor only operarion?

<p​hleb:matrix.org> I linked the instructions I'm following above. Do those instructions on the maketecheasier site correctly configure tor and monerod for safe tor only operation?

I guess if you only want it to run over tor

rpc-bind-ip=0.0.0.0

change that to 127.0.0.1

also make sure to change the rpc password

<p​hleb:matrix.org> So what does the 0.0.0.0 do?

<p​hleb:matrix.org> And why change it to 127.0.0.1

<p​hleb:matrix.org> I'm nor familiar with the differences in these IP addresses.

it binds monerod to all addresses for the machine both localhost and external/localnetwork

if you don't want to use it over LAN or to expose externally then bind to localhost only

DataHoarder seems like for some reason a few Matrix<->IRC messages are getting relayed twice. see above.

do a search regarding 0.0.0.0 for moar info

<p​hleb:matrix.org> So 0.0.0.0 would allow port 18080 to work as normal through any network?

depends if behind NAT or not

<p​hleb:matrix.org> I don't mind that as that helps the network, doesn't it?

Those are edits dukenukem

if your PC is in a LAN/router you probably have a localip like 192.168.*.*

other than 127.0.0.1

it's up to you

The whole message is repeated again on each edit sadly

:)

<p​hleb:matrix.org> External 18080 is port forwarded to the monerod machine from my ISP router.

see the last word, it had a typo dukenukem

then you need 0.0.0.0

as long as you don't forward 18081 then the rpc is not externally exposed

and then you expose it to tor over torrc

<p​hleb:matrix.org> Port 18081 is not port forwarded as I don't want anyone else using the RPC port. That's just for me.

ye that's cool

<p​hleb:matrix.org> I used the tutorial I linked above because it appears to allow 18081 only on local machine through TOR.

well ...

<p​hleb:matrix.org> I just didn't really understand how it operated until now.

if your machine had an external IP (as ex. a VPS) then if you bind monerod to 0.0.0.0 your external ip would also be binded to it

since you didn't need to portforward

but since you do

0.0.0.0 is fine

for this usecase

<p​hleb:matrix.org> So I can make a TOR connection to RPC on my monerod, and I can make a local network connection inside my firewall on port 18081, but not from an external IP address without TOR.

ye

<p​hleb:matrix.org> The wonders of network appliances, hardware firewalls and routers...

<p​hleb:matrix.org> 🤗

hehhe

welcome to the internet sir

<p​hleb:matrix.org> Okay, so 0.0.0.0 is catch all, and 127.0.0.1 is local host only. I should really already know this. Thanks for the clarification. Toyve been a great help. So in this instance, behind a hardware firewall, I can safely "--confirm-external-bind", correct?

<p​hleb:matrix.org> Hahaha. I have been using it since 1994, you'd think I would know those basics by now. Haha.

you can but don't really need that if you're not exposing it externally

make sure to run --restricted-rpc

<p​hleb:matrix.org> If it's too basic, I forget. If its complex I seem to remember. I even compiled from source code just a few days ago, and was told it was something I should be proud to achieve. It seemed like nothing to me. (Partly quoting Delores, haha).

also make sure to use V3 .onions

and maybe you should take a look at ddos prevention for v3

<p​hleb:matrix.org> Well I do need to as monerod exits immediately if I don't confirm external bind.

because you're binding to 0.0.0.0 I guess

<p​hleb:matrix.org> I have no idea what v3 onions are

version 3 of the tor addresses

take a peak at that link ^

<p​hleb:matrix.org> Well yes. The whole reason I came here in the first place was because monerod complained and exited immediately haha

:)

sorry I kinda jumped into the talk without reading the backlog

more on the ddos prevention system

it uses POW <3

<p​hleb:matrix.org> In my use case, with 18080 port forwarded from regular clear net, and port 18081 needing to go over TOR on the local host, I can't really see a way that I can avoid that exception without confirming the external bind in monerod configuration file

ye you need it my bad

<p​hleb:matrix.org> POW?

I think only if you bind to 127.0.0.1 you can not use it

<p​hleb:matrix.org> The ddos prevention uses Proof Of Work?

proof of work

first use case for proof of work was spam protection

:)

satoshi didn't really invent much he just merged some existing shit in a new interesting way ;)

<p​hleb:matrix.org> Yes, I won't be able to provide clear net 18080 access to my node for helping the network synchronise isni bind to 127.0.0.1

<p​hleb:matrix.org> Oh, hold on...

if you don't port forward 18080 you just get not incomming peers

<p​hleb:matrix.org> I'm being silly.

which still works but "helps" less the network

<p​hleb:matrix.org> I'm not thinking right

hehehe

take a break and reassess

:P

I'll brb!

<p​hleb:matrix.org> Were talking about clear net access to 18080 which isn't RPC

<p​hleb:matrix.org> Ugh

yeah thats p2p

gtg

<p​hleb:matrix.org> Ignore me.

good luck sir

<p​hleb:matrix.org> Haha

<p​hleb:matrix.org> Thank you for your help.

great comment by koe (I thought) on the "retroactive funding" CCS: repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…als/-/merge_requests/403#note_22226

<c​trej:matrix.org> I find it rather hilarious that push back so hard against this proposal, even though you effectively also got funded retroactively.

<c​arthyngo01:matrix.org> I'll help anyone interested in how to earn 15BTC within 3 days and hours but you will reimburse me 10% of your dividend when you collect it. Note: only interested people should send a friend request or click on the link and send me a dm via WhatsApp +1 (312) 313‑4720

<c​arthyngo01:matrix.org> immediately.

damn, so the Oscar campaign has already happened? 😱

news to me

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Lmao i thought the same

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Still cant find what css proposals monero twatter promoted

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> This is the only one i know of. Which in itself sus

you're talking about the @monero handle? how did it promote the ccs?

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> But anyway lets ban ofrn the scam hunter

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Twatter

<c​trej:matrix.org> geonic: by "effectively" I meant that your part of the work is already completed. On paper you raised funds for 3rd party fees, but I think you are smart enough to budget properly. Its just a convenient workaround for that pesky "all work must be open at all time" rule

<c​trej:matrix.org> "You see officer, only the advertisement fees are paid for by the CCS, so only the advertisement part must be open"

<c​trej:matrix.org> anyway, sorry for going off topic again

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Brb looking in css cause its disappeared from twitter

" and nowhere it explicitely forbids retroactive proposals.

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Brb looking in rss cause its disappeared from twitter

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Only cats

ctrej: yeah, you seem to have a hard-on for that particular ccs. sorry it's bothering you so much or congrats

<c​trej:matrix.org> can't stand hypocrisy

but keep going off-topic if that helps

<c​trej:matrix.org> CCS rules for thee but not for me

sure, whatever helps. let me just remind you that I didn't merge my own proposal. or are you going to take another page off of ofrn's book and say that there were "backroom dealings"?

the similarities between you two are a bit much to the naked eye

123bob123: you're probably remembering the @monero retweet of this: twitter.com/LIMITEmovie/status/1662592776087953408?s=20

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Honestly over it the hypocrisy here is a joke. Ban ofrn but keep others. Use google docs but fck government.

wasn't ofrn banned in -events only?

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Its the principal

lol. I got banned too. why aren't you crying about my ban?

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Now you have msvb responding

<c​trej:matrix.org> geonic: its funny that you still believe we are the same person. But because we met in person, my takeaway is that your insults towards ofrn we're really directed towards me.

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Lmao he was trying to have a go at me when i made a joke then i was like fck this wanna have a go lets go

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Posted evidence and crickets

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Suicide ban idc

I'm pretty certain you're the same person and you're doing a bad job of refuting it :)

123bob123: yeah I saw that

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Lmao

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Head up your ass

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> 🙉

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Most people

<c​trej:matrix.org> thanks for the confirmation geonic

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/mLmYKsQPkaNhYFQLoTIZxucs

right, that's the tweet

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Retweet if i’m not mistaken

I asked sgp (in this channel) to retweet the Monero teaser, which was one of the deliverables of the ccs, not the ccs itself (which had long been funded)

the problem being what?

these attacks are looking more and more funny

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Non of the other ccs got that promotion

bro

all of the audits we did were ccs funded

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Confirmation biased thank you

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Points have been made

if you're going to say that the @monero account has never tweeted about something that was ccs-funded, you're only confirming that you've been around for 5 minutes

yes, you got me, you win!

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Said my piece shit goes in circles nothing will change

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Reminds me of government

who wants full membership proofs anyway

nioc: not the question being posed by this CCS... the question is who wants indefinite work towards FCMPs with no milestones and no accountability

sounds like previous MRL funding :)

almost all of them have milestones I think... and allowed for community input

surae and sarang milestones were only for time spent

and what was their "burn rate"? $10k/month tops

this is like $10k/week

basic research with no focus on producing anything

not arguing that. sarang was paid to keep tabs on new research basically

<d​udinka:matrix.org> What's that website to see the hash rate of cpu? I lost it

and some implementation work on BP if I recall correctly

<c​trej:matrix.org> dudinka: dont remember from the top of my head, ask in Monero Mining

I only mine for heat, Cat enjoys that

<d​udinka:matrix.org> Not a channel... A website. I can't find in the log someone sent me yesterday lol it shows the hash rate like AMD 7800x, Intel 12900k...

fwiw, plenty of proposals have been 'promoted' through the @monero account in the past

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Yeah past nothing recent

<d​udinka:matrix.org> I think I found. thank you

<d​udinka:matrix.org> At the same time :p

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> I searched css on monero it was like 2021

just make it a standard, forward-looking CCS proposal with milestones, building on the work that was already done and ideally bringing it to some level of completion. win-win

<c​hesterfield:faelix.im> We funded a seraphis alternative that had milestones and accountability and we ended up not using

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> I searched ccs on monero it was like 2021

kayaba & co get their money, we get some results

123bob123: Sure, but which proposal do you think should be tweeted now then (apologies, out of the loop)

<c​hesterfield:faelix.im> I’m happy to retroactively fund explorative work that gets or influences a merge

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Just any that gets funded at least

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Promote

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Keep it fair

has anyone asked to be promoted and been denied?

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Not the point

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Its an “offical”monero account why not promote projects

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Funded by community

why not suggest things to promote?

who do you expect to do the work for you?

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Wdym expect to do the work for you?

of picking projects to promote and drafting the tweets?

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> So lets hide funded proposals

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Not my job as everyone here seems to say

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> You run the twatter account do it yourself

I don't run it

some people have access to it but they have other jobs too. if you have suggestions, make them here, like I did

not sure what the complaining, finger pointing and witch hunting is achieving

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Not complain pointing out

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Not complaining pointing out

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Evenyone has a job and a life

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Everyone has a job and a life

yeah, finger-pointing was the second of the two :)

of the three*

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Lmao

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Wow

<c​trej:matrix.org> geonic: promoting a heavily controversial proposal as a endorsed by the community is problematic

is there anything on which you, 123bob and ofrn disagree?

i bet they have different musical tastes

:)

drill, harcore, and noise

*hardcore

each to their own, i guess

<c​trej:matrix.org> had some beef with ofrn when he pretended that he made the caged eye video, just to get feedback. Didn't know that was a CCS funded video at the time, so I hold back mean comments

<c​trej:matrix.org> a year ago or so, this room

i do sometimes wonder what rotten listens to though

<c​trej:matrix.org> apart from that I dont recall any major disagreements, but I dont recall major disagreements with almost anyone else

<c​trej:matrix.org> Oh yeah, we disagree on p2pool

<c​trej:matrix.org> idk who bob is, don't recognize that name

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Geonic bait someone else not playing you drunk games

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Geonic bait someone else not playing your drunk games

<c​trej:matrix.org> geonics ego is too large to accept that more then one person disagrees with him, so he has to merge everyone into one, and craft a story around to make it work

I like that story. see, you're learning.

<c​trej:matrix.org> recall that he accused ofrn and rotten to be the same person as well

bob is dan

great memory for someone who is not ofrn and not rotten!

lol

but midi is right, I did forget rotten in that equation. he's been too quiet...

anyway, keep harping on about my ccs if that strengthens the bond between the 4 of you

when Alice becomes Bob, we are all screwed. especially Charlie.

<c​trej:matrix.org> thanks nioc

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Interesting

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Insults

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Please act your age not your shoe size, unless your shoe size is your age then makes sense

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Also thank you for also confirming your drunk

<s​needlewoods_xmr:matrix.org> lemme ask a stupid question

<s​needlewoods_xmr:matrix.org> why is there so much discussion if a CCS should get merged, if it's then funded by community

<s​needlewoods_xmr:matrix.org> and why not just merge everything (that is at least somehow related to monero) and let the community decide what they want to fund?

because some people think that other people have more money then sense

also, i guess there is a non-trivial chance there could be over saturation of the CCS, leading to less quality proposals getting funded overall (as funds are directed to those of "lesser" quality).

<s​needlewoods_xmr:matrix.org> I mean I get it, if the CCS is directly related to the codebase, of course those things should be discussed and reviewed

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Its for checks and balances why css proposals get submitted and reviewed.

<c​trej:matrix.org> Its a two step process, both community and donors have to agree that something is worthwhile

so far (afaik) every merged ccs proposal has been successfully funded. if all proposals got merged automatically this would stop being the case pretty quickly and the ccs would just become another donation page

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Like ceetee said, at that point it becomes a cluttered donation apge

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Like ceetee and geonic said, at that point it becomes a cluttered donation page

<s​needlewoods_xmr:matrix.org> thanks, that makes sense

everyone's rotten!