<s​unchakr:monero.social> Join us LIVE tomorrow morning!

<s​unchakr:monero.social> reddit.com/r/Monero/s/ETxCEZKkYp

<e​dge7:matrix.org> "Ferrari to accept crypto as payment for its cars in the US"

<e​dge7:matrix.org> investing.com/news/stock-market-new…ment-for-its-cars-in-the-us-3198771

<e​dge7:matrix.org> This point is interesting:

<e​dge7:matrix.org> As the payment processor, BitPay will ensure that the virtual currencies come from legitimate sources and not derived from criminal activity or to be used to launder the proceeds of crime or evade tax.

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Hmmm

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Ferrari or jet

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> community meeting today in 3 hrs 50 mins monero-project/meta #906 events meeting 2 hours later in #monero-events:monero.social

<j​ohn_r365:monero.social> selsta_: Issue 8982 (technical support for GpStop) appears to be going on and on - 120 comments so far on Github.

<j​ohn_r365:monero.social> Presumably there comes a point, where intentionally or not, it's a waste of time and resources? Perhaps the issue can be closed and GpStop can be pointed to IRC/Matrix or Reddit to continue their technical support issue?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Monero Support

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> link to github issue?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Lot of backlog to catch up on

<j​ohn_r365:monero.social> monero-project/monero #8982

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Ty

<j​ohn_r365:monero.social> I wouldn't waste your time on it tbh - it appeared to be a wild goose chase for funds that weren't sent.

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> they have a hardware wallet and need to extract the view-key (using a python script) which they claim to have done already (doubt it) - and then to forward it pgp encrypted to someone who is capable of confirming

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> My time, is time to waste

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Not selsta's

<j​ohn_r365:monero.social> haha, ok

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> also, in response to "use a remote node" -> "i know how to do it but not gonna do." then they later ask how to do it

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Teamviewer

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 24 25 vibes

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Google remote desktop*

there's no point, 100% they either have the wrong wallet or got scammed with whoever sent the funds

or it's a troll issue lol

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Probably didnt get funds sent to them

john_365: yes will close the issue

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Yeah. 24/25 ptsd

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> vostoemisio: id do nodes and merchant adoption

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> P2pool, randomx, i think are less important videos than running nodes and adoption. Merchant vid can include fungible/cash comparisons

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> whens todays meeting in here

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> 1 hour and 49 minutes

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Ofrnxmr needs something i can show to merchants, that will make then go "hm.. can you set it up for me? How much?"

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> 25k

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> ofrn

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> youtube.com/watch?v=138CogLuGC0

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Plus dev tax

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Trash

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Cant show that to my kids

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> D:

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> but we paid so much for that

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Even script is very not good

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> “We” pay for a lot of things

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Vosts video was good

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Chairs are free tho

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> why isnt vostos on the monero youtube

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> weird. almost as if a project needs to be CCS funded to be "approved"

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Savandra owns that youtube channel

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> oh right @monero1499 lmao

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Not approved

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> "accepted"

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> what

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> neither monero.town nor monerosupplies.com had CCS proposals and they are pretty accepted by the community

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Approved

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> neither moneroica.com

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> neither minko, rino, cake

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> I’m lost on the comment

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Its dig?

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> citation required after monerica

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Its a dig?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> neither monerica.com

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> if i recall correctly, r4v3r23 submitted a ccs that didnt pass the vibe check

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Oh k

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> complained about how nobody will fund it on kuno

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> "The goal of Monerica is to reflect the freedom ideals of the United States of America in the age of cryptocurrency by using Monero. There are no borders to Monerica. " open the borders!

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> then got funded on kuno lol

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> monero-project/monero-site #2117 monerica rejected from getmonero

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Sound like a gitea repo i once saw

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Sound like a gitea mirror repo i once saw

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> never

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> are you talking about 4rkal? not raver23

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> ah

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Who

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> I am

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> sorry, you both are purple on matrix and have number 4 in the beginning of the name

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> [a-z][0-0][a-z]...

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> looks like youve heard a lot of wrong things about me

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> "submits sus CCS proposal"

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> "anonero doesnt work"

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> lmao whos feeding you this info

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Google news

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> :P

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> So, the regular expression ^[a-z]+\d{1,}\d{2}$ will match strings like "r4v3r23" but not "r4v3r2" (because it doesn't have exactly two digits at the end)

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> huh

<l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> We are open to switching up the topics although that opinion is surprising to me. P2pool and random X are the kind of technical topics in a similar vein of the previously released tail emission that could really benefit from an animated video breaking it down.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> P2pool is immateur

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Randomx normies dont care

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> what

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> gupax.io is literally the easiest miner to get going

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Drivubg

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Brb

<l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> You mean immature? I mean that's part of why having a normies friendly video is important. Monero adoption is slowly growing over time and it's essential to have a simple mining introduction that explains the nuance of CPU mining and then shows how some one can mine after simply downloading a wallet

<l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> And why p2pool is the future anyways

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> my only issue is logistics. the previous proposal was 1 video done in 4 months, and this is promising 4 in 4 months. the chances of pumping out videos with errors in are increased

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> after 4 months we still had a bit of "hmm" at the end

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> its hard to gain feedback in such a short time frame

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> and then we have funds to cover ~99% of the cost if its cut down to 2 (if the old animated funds are used) - but this is just my opinion

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> yeah the splitting sounds reasonable

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> I don't mind splitting the proposal into 2 rounds but regarding the faster timeline I can assure everyone that it will not have any negative effect on the quality of our work

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> I don't mind splitting the proposal into 2 but regarding the faster timeline I can assure everyone that it will not have any negative effect on the quality of our work

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> I guarantee that we can deliver videos of the highest quality within the 6 months as written in the proposal. But if there is a convenience of making it 2 and helps allocating funds from the old proposal, 2 proposals works and I'm fine with both alternatives

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> I guarantee that we can deliver videos of the great quality within the 6 months as written in the proposal. But if there is a convenience of making it 2 and helps allocating funds from the old proposal, 2 proposals works and I'm fine with both alternatives

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> I guarantee that we can deliver videos of great quality within the 6 months as written in the proposal. But if there is a convenience of making it 2 and helps allocating funds from the old proposal, 2 proposals works and I'm fine with both alternatives

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> its an alternative, has bottlenecks, and increases blockchain size and fees

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 0.6xmr

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> how many time can you split it before creating dust smaller than a tx fee?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 146/in is 1/3 of a block.

you mean p2pool?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> yeah

right now with a mid tier ryzen i get a payout every few days. maybe standard p2pool should be higher difficulty to have mid tier cpu pay every month. that should drastically reduce tx bloat, right?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Its improved a lot, to be fair, but still not the defacto best method of mining

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> The more blocks the pool finds, the more oayouts you receive and the smaller

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Inputs weigh more than outputs.

if pool mining don't mine on big pools

^^advice nobody follows lol

I am nobody

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> p2pool.observer/sweeps

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> the consolidations listed here are some very big transactions

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> (100kb)

yes make allowed tx size

make =max

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Xan only fit 3 of those in a block

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And those are economically meaningless transactions

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Ie, funds didnt change hands. The only effect the consolidation does is allow the tx to be soendable

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> There is a fix

is there a way to make p2pool send 1 small tx instead of sending many small tx to single miner then?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i thought this has long been addressed

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> by changing the way payouts work

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> monero-project/research-lab #108

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> No

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Improved

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> But not fixed. Lower number of spammy payouts, but still heavy

^^

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Pt 2 ^

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> pt 1: monero-project/research-lab #109

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> jeffro did pt1. Needs testing and a HF for deployment

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Not using decoys for coinbase is ideal in my view

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Not using coinbase as decoys is a nobrainer imo as well

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> @boned no. Tis the nature of being noncustodial

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> We need more p2pools too. Which further fragments the experience "which pool do you use?"

<l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> p2pool isn't perfect, but more eyes and more usage will just lead to further optimizations, no?\

>2000 outputs per day per P2Pool sidechain.

how much is there in reality?

p2pool-mini finds 3-4 blocks per day, each with 500-550 outputs

p2pool-main finds 30-35 blocks per day, each with 40-45 outputs

i'm trying to understand. p2pool mines a block, right. then there is a miner reward transaction. it's a single tx that pays out to a lot of addresses, right (~40 outputs for main p2pool)? that's the bloat? what are consolidation and sweep here?

are those when the miner wants to send all those small mining utxo?

that makes a big tx. that happened to me.

Meeting time monero-project/meta #906

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Hello

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> 👋

<c​trej:matrix.org> hello

hello all

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Hello

<s​needlewoods_xmr:matrix.org> hi

lets discuss some community highlights while people roll in

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> [v0.18.3.1 released](getmonero.org/2023/10/07/monero-GUI-0.18.3.1-released.html). boog900 found/patched a bug as a direct result of their CCS ! in this [Pull request](monero-project/monero #9013)

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Cool

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> when will the DNS servers be updated selsta? usually after about a week right? im not seeing any problems reported so far

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> monerobull tested the latest haveno release and noticed a BSOD , leading to an update 🫡

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Nah

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Not really

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> I believe the haveno bug was because US and EU use commas and dots differently

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> The BSOD was apparently from the last windows update and has been fixed .... By me upgrading to win11 💀

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> thank you for testing

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> we also had some community members purchase hardware to help with this RandomX PR: [Jit compiler for RISC-V](tevador/RandomX #275) - tevador. This will increase RandomX performance on RISC-V cpu's. some volunteers including pauliouk and gingeropolous have purchased risc-v hardware to help testing.

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Hello, apologies for being late

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Didn't we recently plan to make riscv less efficient lol

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> (by proxy)

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> I think it was to require more memory

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> And special Ryzen instructions

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> this would be a PR for the "future" - a world where RISC-V cpu's are widespread

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Is this kit thing licensed in such a way that bitmain can't use it in closed software?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Is this jit thing licensed in such a way that bitmain can't use it in closed software?

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> im not sure about that, i can follow up any Q's about this in #monero-pow or with sech1 if they know

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Monero PoW

It's BSD 3-clause, so they can use it

But they already used XMRig with is GPLv3, and they didn't disclose the source code

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> :/

So they don't give a damn about licenses

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> lol

X5 miners uses modified XMRig inside

It's GPLv3

Where's the published source code?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Their miners are blowing up anyways and they don't pay their employers so I doubt they made much money with xmr 🤷‍♂️

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> planned obsolescence is a feature

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Lets sue

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> monerokin lawyers

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Only if you have the next product lined up

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> we owe them 1k for sending empty emails already but thats another issue for #monero-events:monero.social

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Which I very much doubt

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> the next product is probably mining already

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Nah no way they developed another one

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> This one was a big failure

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> AI needs cpu's so the future is even brighter for RandomX

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Ai uses GPU or asics

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> or machine learning.. they like RISC-V

<c​trej:matrix.org> bitmain likely got the cpus far below retail price to make it worthwhile for them. People speculated on engineering samples or similar non-retail silicon

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> There was like $10k of memory in there alone, right?

<c​trej:matrix.org> retail price for the specific modules they've used. I'd guess they used whatever modules they were able to source for cheap

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> almost forgetting a special thanks to Rucknium for chasing those none-standard fees [Privacy Advisory - exodus wallet users update](reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/176e1z…sory_exodus_desktop_users_update_to)

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> we have a full-house for the active newsletters this week [Monero Observer](monero.observer) - [Revuo Monero](revuo-xmr.com) - [The Monero Standard](localmonero.co/the-monero-standard) - [Monero Moon](themoneromoon.com)

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> are we missing anything obvious? we can move on to proposals then

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> This website includes them and some other things, it's pretty nice: themonero.dance

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> I'm not sure who maintains it but its pretty nice, there are a couple of broken things though

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> yes alot of missing things, looks nice though

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> i pointed the general fund donation tweeter to the p2pool blockchain explorer (exploremonero still dead)

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> lets move on to the proposals

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> I'd like to thank lza_menace: for the amazing new map for docker monero node. It's so cool

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Yes, ty lza_menace:

<c​trej:matrix.org> eww, monero.dance has google-analytics.com and gstatic.com javascript. Whoever runs it: is that really necassary?

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> ah yes! 🗺️

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> dⱮartian:

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> I didn't notice that, I have it all blocked

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> dⱮartian:

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Maybe someone should contact the above

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Runs it

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> monerosuite.org is from hundehausen (based on the work of lza_menace too)

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> This looks pretty cool, if I can get it working I'll feature it in my next issue of the Monero Standard

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Is that like an all in one monero deployer?

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> feather wallet tagged a new release. they also need help to verify hashes and such (20~GB of free disk space and time required) github.com/feather-wallet/feather/tree/master/contrib/guix#building

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Yes, so many configuration options

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> yes monerosuite is an all in one, similar to xmr.sh

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Cool

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Includes block explorer, reverse proxy, tor proxy, monitoring, etc.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Tor stuff look weird

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> lets move onto the proposals unless

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> CCS proposals

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> we can skip a. [Add retroactive funding proposal for FCMPs](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/403) waiting for merge.

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> and just make everyone waiting for a ccs payout / merges aware that luigi1111 knows about it and will be handling everything soon(tm) - apologies for the delays

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> yup

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> b. [dangerousfreedom - wallet work](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/409)

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Voting merge

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> DF is waiting for code reviews from his previous CCS

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Seraphis wallet migration is extremely necessary and DF has major contributions

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> +merge

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> This is a problem in general right

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> indeed, rbrunner7 has provided some positive feedback

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Can we hire someone like cypher stack if we can't find reviewers otherwise

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> This

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Daemon needed too lol

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Seraphis needs proofs and audits

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And DF needs reviews

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Yes

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> -dev and/or mrl and/or nwlb need to sign off

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> You'

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> we have devs on the payroll who can use hours to review DFs work

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> You're right

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Are those devs just sitting around doing nothing?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> I'm pretty sure most work on very specific things

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Delaying what they work on to review each other's work while we have funds sitting idle is not very efficient

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> koe has had a quick look and said it all seems ok but not actually reviewed it in depth

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Unless there's direct benefits from wallet reviewers being familiar with it in the future

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> But it would need to be related, no point in a wallet expert reviewing p2p protocol when they don't plan to ever work with it

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> i defer all serpahis proposals to the NWLB/seraphis workgroup

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> thats my vote

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> hiring outside help from e.g. cypherstack is a good idea

<s​needlewoods_xmr:matrix.org> maybe we need monero-apprenticeship

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> we need experts

plowsof: depends on core team availability

but yes DNS will be updated after a week or so

<c​trej:matrix.org> specifics about dev work can be discussed in other groups, as long as we take care that devs willing to work can work - and that they are not waiting on the ccs bureaucracy

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> thanks! (DNS tells clients there is an update available)

<c​trej:matrix.org> otherwise agreeing with this

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> i mean on a personal level - DF has attended a monerokon and done other great work for the project - reducing delays is the priority here so he can get funding to continue

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Can he already move forward even without the review?

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> there where some issues when the previous ccs was posted - which required discussion and changes, can view it in the comments. (perhaps showing a lack of direction because this is all new)

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> give him the tasks that we need and he'll do it

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> lets touch on the other proposals

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> c. [XMR BTC Atomic Swaps Desktop GUI - Continued development for 6 months](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/411)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> close

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> binarybaron: hasnt had a chance to respond to my comment yet

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> this comment: repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…als/-/merge_requests/411#note_22562

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> The GUI looks good but it's built on a discontinued protocol

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> BasicSwapDex allows bidirectional monero swaps with BTC and LTC now

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> UnstoppableSwap

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> I'd much rather have someone look into taking BasicSwapDex and ripping out their smsg network and replace it with regular Tor connections

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Or at least evaluate how feasible that would be

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Or pokkst etc implement said features in other wallets

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Yeaj

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Saw a tweet today

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Pokkst implementation looks promising

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Is there any more info than his tweets?

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> pokkst made a PR to the COMIT repo....

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> is he also using the dead protocol?

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> perhaps then its not dead?

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> suspicious comit-network/xmr-btc-swap #1447

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Hm

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/jRrtPURCTbucKTNNvMPLvtSY

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> I want to know how the liquidity providing works

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> looks like the same setup as unstoppable swap

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> i think we can defer discussion after raising some questions here and wait for binarybarons initial response

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> moving on

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> d. [Core Monero Concepts](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/412)

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> the previous video they made was _actually_ proudly shared on some social media sites

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Unlike the last animation proposal lol

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> My comments earlier are an extension of plowsof. Lower # of videos to 2 + (my suggestion) and do video on importance of nodes etc and another on fungibility/adoption4merchants

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> we have 35 XMR from this proposal ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/savandra-videos-for-monero.html . if this Core Monero Concepts is reduced to 2 videos - then it could be almost entirely funded by those funds, and reduce the logisticcs issues with trying to push 4 videos out in a short time span

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Im ok with more videos following fwiw

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> When would this be decided and allocated? I discussed a bit with xenu and we are open to shorten it to 2 videos to start if it makes sense. But if we could choose freely we would like to keep it to 4 videos as the initial proposal, less administration

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> About the script and topics I refer to x3nu to comment 👍️

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Let vosto work without needing to deal with us again every few weeks thankd

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> the hive mind will make it so. if reducing to 2 videos , then its possible that the price is halfed and it goes to funding for 0.x XMR?

<c​trej:matrix.org> which comment?

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> this comment

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> and absorbs the savandra funds (thus closing that proposal for good)

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> this comment ceetee

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> similar path to AcceptXMR

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> this feedback, ceetee

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> currently this proposal is 72XMR - halving it to 2 videos makes 36 XMR meaning if people want it to be 2, we could fund it with the 35 XMR , and put it to funding with 1 XMR

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> bish bang bosh

<l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> the general idea is to have a full suite of videos discussing intermediate topics about Monero. So for example the four topics in the proposal show this. We also have future plans for videos as well to help with adoption and understanding: e.g. atomic swaps, seraphis. By doing a buik order now we can focus on four topics that have a lot of merit and content and I believe it would<clipped message>

<l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> benefit the community to have videos like this they can just link to a noobie that will introduce them to these ideas.

<l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> and you guys have already seen the quality from the tail emission/dynamic blockswize vid :_)

<l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> and you guys have already seen the quality from the tail emission/dynamic blockswize vid :)

<s​needlewoods_xmr:matrix.org> yeah it was visually appealing

<l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> if two videos is more convenient that works as well. we can again show we are capable of producing quality to make future funding more valuable

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> If it's not a big deal for the community I'd prefer the current proposal but like x3nu says we are open to changing it

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Seraphis and stomic swaps?

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> so we have several options here , move to funding as, move to funding as is -= to the 35 XMR, half it and -= 35 so it requires 1 xmr to complete funding

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> if halfing people need to decide on what 2 vids they want

<c​trej:matrix.org> from the proposal:

<c​trej:matrix.org> >• Random X: Understanding the significance of ASIC resistance

<c​trej:matrix.org> >• Breaking down the how-to and the rationale for P2Pool.

<c​trej:matrix.org> >• Nodes: Why every Monero enthusiast should consider running one.

<c​trej:matrix.org> >• Fungibility: Explaining its essence in the context of Monero.

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> overall i am +1 for vost and xenu to produce more videos for us

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> As am IU

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> As am I

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> i am as well

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> some discussion to finalise what is going to happen is needed

<l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> that's not in this proposal, but we have future plans for that, yes. we need to wait until more work is done on them though before spending time on it

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> RandomX and fungibility I think are good if halfing

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> But making videos that only last a few months is retarded

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> do we nee d a p2pool how-to? breaking it down sure but i believe there are already good tutorials

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> i apologise for spelling halfing wrong and misleading you all. halving *

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Landscape forever changing on atomic awaps, seraphis, p2pool, even fungibility

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> Keep proposal as is, redistribute funding to ours, 35/72 xmr in the funding, that's optimal IMO

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> RandomX and fungibility I think are good if halving

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> 34 or 35, whatever was left in savandra's

<l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> well for fungibility that isn't really about technology but moreso the characteristic of fungibility because monero isn't perfectly fungible

<l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> so we will have example of what we mean by that and benefits of fungibility

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> I have to leave the meeting. Goodbye everyone and thank you plowsof for moderation

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> x3nu: Is probably up to work on the scripts while we wait for the second half funding, x3nu ? No time would be wasted

<l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> atomic swaps and seraphis are indeed constantly changing. althought seraphis I think would be ideal once it is finalized because this is the largest hardfork in Monero's history

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Right. So why makeba video on fungibikity when xmr is not yet fungible?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Ita like making news reports on "whats to come"

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> recanman vote on the last one before you leave?

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> e. [escapethe3RA Monero Observer maintenance (2023 Q4)](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/414)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> merge

<l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> it would be like making a video on privacy but monero isn't perfectly private. it isn't an on or an off switch but an ideal that development for Monero aims for

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> +merge, Monero observer I look at all the time

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> monero.observer left our minds, but never our hearts and has been back the past week pushing out content as usual

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Didnt check price, bur merge if same as last

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> thanks for attending recanman

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> price is the same rates as the prev

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> I checked almost every day on whether monero.observer was back. It's great. Goodbye

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i suggest you to set up an rss reader instead

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> G2g too

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> back in a few

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/XvlSJVtviXKzgOWYRKVgYwjz

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> its so good

<l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> we think it would be a good idea to introduce the topic as part of running a node because the question of "what can I do to help Monero" comes up a lot. it wouldn't be a literal guide but a guide emphasizing the difference between centarlized pools and p2pool and why long term p2pool is what we should aim for

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> yeah that is good

thanks all for attending, we can call an end to the meeting here. we have to come to a decision on how to move forward with the core monero concepts proposal asap

<l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> i don't think the plan would be to literally show what p2pool looks like. animations and metaphor would be used

<s​needlewoods_xmr:matrix.org> thanks plowsof and everyone else ... cu

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> monerobull add me getwishlisted.xyz/ccs_fr.xml

<l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> yeah are we agreeing to half now and half later?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> great, only concern was that its trying to be a tutorial which animation is not the best for

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> its probably broken and never works but the thought is there

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> Sure lets do that

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> You can decide the 2 topics to start

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> It's not a biggie

<l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> should probably just make a poll lol

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> So we will update the proposal to 2 videos

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> halving means the asking amount for funding is 1 xmr and requires a small note stating that it will absorb the remaining funds from the other proposal

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> I'll update the proposal a bit later today

<l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> my first though is random x and nodes is probably a good start. lots of material to work with there

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> and then the door is open for further funding ~

<l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> oh one other thing, we should coordinate as to where the videos are launched.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Imo previewed anywhere

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Posted on community channel in playlist

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Hosted on community channel

<l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> yeah i was thinking the community channenl one would make the most sense, in its own playlist called "Core Concepts"

<l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> or something like that

<l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> alright well we are going to go forward with doing a video on random x and running a node. if anybody has any opinion against it, we are more than open to changing direction but I think this is a good start

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> We will share the scripts when we got them ready for feedback

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Good idea, never got to that, thanks

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Good idea, never thought of that, thanks

also forgot to share valldracs work on the android wallet sdk. "The lib can now deal with all the usual stuff: tx pending in pool, onchain tx, incoming and outgoing money, self-transfers, changes, balance per account. It also exposes the enotes details to the app (e.g. for coin control)"

demos / screens coming soon

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> where is this from?

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> r4v3r23: mostly in this recent PR mollyim/monero-wallet-sdk 48fb61d

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> where do you see coin control stuff?

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> afaik coin control isn't implemented, but it has been made possible by "exposing enote (output) details to the app" - valldrac can clarify when they are available

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> probably key images