I am mining on a pool for ants but not antpool

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 34.2% nanopool

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 27.7% supportxmr

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 17.8% hashvault

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 7.5% p2pool

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> top 4 pools ^

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 2% unknown / solo

<v​ikrants:monero.social> We have the polyseed in beta if anyone wants to try it on cake wallet or monero.com

Meeting in 6 hrs~ monero-project/meta #935

<c​omradeblin:matrix.org> Join us TODAY (12/2) morning at 11AM-EST/5PM-CET! with u/chowbungaman & Tuxsudo! XMR Report w/ u/bawdyanarchist, XMR News, Monero Development Segment, special guest & MORE!

<c​omradeblin:matrix.org> @: monero.town/post/1276651

<a​js_:matrix.org> plowsof: could you add to the community meeting agenda - "Privacy Guardians spaces invite"

<a​js_:matrix.org> twitter.com/privacyguardia

<a​js_:matrix.org> they would like to have a chat with someone from Monero community

<a​js_:matrix.org> topics to cover: why is privacy is important in general, history of Monero, how is Monero different from Bitcoin, how is Monero being used today

<a​js_:matrix.org> they are a crypto community based in Switzerland

<a​js_:matrix.org> there is MoneroKon 2024 Planning Meeting today @ 17:00 UTC

<a​js_:matrix.org> in Monero Events

<a​js_:matrix.org> agenda - monero-project/meta #936

Meeting time monero-project/meta #934#issuecomment-1837139593

greetings!

<b​tclovera:matrix.org> Hi everyone

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Good evening

last week we put up a vote, how's it going? monero-project/meta #935

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> 👍️

<m​ichael:monero.social> Hello.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> looks sad af

:(

<0​xfffc:matrix.org> Hi everyone

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Took a month to.. do nothing

<r​ucknium:monero.social> Hi

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Fix nothing

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Investigate nothing

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Just YOLO into repeating the same mistake

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Trusting someone who didnt care

Rucknium just left a comment, great, i suppose anyone who hasn't voted on the matter can also share their opinion now if they feel like it

yes we still don't know how anything happened, thats the only thing which the yes/maybe voters are feeling conflicted about

i do not feel conflicted at all, it's just 'yes' for me

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> thats the elephant in the room, and its pink, and blows bubbles

ah thanks dsc_ , i enjoyed the accurate performance review

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Do i think the new wallet will be drained right away? No.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> thats just too obvious.

plowsof: thanks ;P

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> for me its simply no.

<h​into.janaiyo:matrix.org> hi

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Im not blocking fundraising.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> do whatever you want, asap

what if we just pretend like luigi is temporary, and then tell yo uthat the eventual multisig group can 'oust him' as being the escrow due to bad performance and such?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Last meeting i said "merge evrrything, fund with generalfund"

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Luigi isnt temporary

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Just like bf and generalfund isnt

if we have a multisig group - they can effectively fire him from handling the payouts

<r​ucknium:monero.social> IMHO, even if luigi's management had nothing to do with the theft, he had poor judgement in: 1) Having an online wallet, 2) keeping funds in wallet that fluffy had access to after fluffy's other Core access privileges were stripped, 3) being physically away from the hot wallet for long periods (months?).

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Its just us ignoring our problems again

the ONLY safe wallet in luigis custody was hte hot wallet on his windows machine lol

<b​tclovera:matrix.org> I don't vote yet... But the thing are clear, there were many mistakes... I like Luigi but...

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> correction

which only he had the seed for

Well lots of other wallets but yeah not XMR project ones

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> the only safe wallet was ofrnxmrs overage jetfund

<0​xfffc:matrix.org> As a newcomer, selsta opinion is very rational IMHO monero-project/meta #935#issuecomment-1826392222 We should not have a single point of failure. IMHO. Although the points Rucknium mentioned are extremely concerning.

we will always have single points of failure

lol

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > <l​uigi1111> Well lots of other wallets but yeah not XMR project ones

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> On the same system?

If ArticMine wants to do it I'm more than happy with that. If some multisig participants want to go ahead in the current state I'm also ok with that

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> This guy drunk?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> You have shitcoins on the ccs machine?

No ofc not

<b​tclovera:matrix.org> I could be in favor of Luigi if the setup is good and safe

the guy who has access to the infrastructure 'can turn everything off' - so reducing single points of failure where possible seems sane

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> luigi csnt to forensics til after thanksgiving

a human(s) has to be trusted at some point

Yeah that's now

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Aka no setup is safe - he leaves em unattended

multisig is .. im going to guess and say 12 months away

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > <p​lowsof> a human(s) has to be trusted at some point

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Luigi has to trust his maids

<h​into.janaiyo:matrix.org> lol @ "Monero Employee Performance Review"

I don't have maids

the eventual scope of audit / funding / audit complete / reviewed

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > <p​lowsof> multisig is .. im going to guess and say 12 months away

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Less if we have money lololololo

But they can't get in anyway

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Cant get int the wallet? someone did

We don't know that really

Hopefully forensics will tell us

the only safe machine is the windows one , that'll be the answer

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> You think someone Cracked the private key?

No

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And not simply stole it?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Well then, they got into the wallet.

Two parties had the seed. I don't really know what happened on fp's end following arrest

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Safe = full > safe = empty

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> = somebody got into it

Ruckniums #2 above is important

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Who put the ccs funds on a shared fluffy sees?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> you

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Lol

Ruckniums 2) is why we have GF2 (we can't even trust our GF1, kinda sad)

Did I deny that?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Nope. You didnt deny.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> So its fluffy's fault that you moved the money to a fed wallet?

That was a big mistake esp given this result and no obvious entry point.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Yep

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Red herring too

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Easy scapegoat

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Lets wait 90days for forensics too

60 but yeah

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 90 now

like that will yield anything

elite haxors go in/out without logs

Yeah might as well count days before it was discovered

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Exactly

luigi1111: If ArticMine wants to do it I'm more than happy with that. If some multisig participants want to go ahead in the current state I'm also ok with that => ArticMine to do what? lol there is no way you are passing on the baggage of saying hello and being greeted by "you merged the oscars proposal" to ArticMine :D

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Lets just keep playing hot potato

Not to run CCS, to escrow the big wallet

ah i see

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Sorry guys. Ill stfu now. My 0.5c has been left

you could actually make the point its in the interest of Monero's foes to adopt some complicated CCS setup going forward, anything that slows down our innovation is a win in their book

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> (fwiw, i still have luigi as a signer on a multisig scheme. But not as a sole signer for ccs funds)

that means getting rid of those that previously managed the fund, as well as contributed

luigi cant be in the multisig group because we have to oust him if he goes rogue!

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> @dsc right?:

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 1/4 of the fucking year with no fundscoming in

<h​into.janaiyo:matrix.org> 1) would ArticMine be okay with custody? 2) he seems... unavailable - hot wallet top ups could take a while

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> This is cucked as fuck

no ofrnxmr I mean that any type of drama is a win for them, including this. While I am advocating to just go the pragmatic route.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Those who can fix are scared, those who will, shouldnt be allowed near the money

the pragmatic route = some Core member manages the fund

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > <d​sc_> no ofrnxmr I mean that any type of drama is a win for them, including this. While I am advocating to just go the pragmatic route.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And im agreeing with you

Actually 60 days again but w/e

ah ok

<s​pirobel:monero.social> the biggest issue is the lack of transparency and personality cults of the people connected to the core team

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> sept 1 > dec 1

Funds were raised in September

spirobel is anti core anti ccs !!! disregard everything he says!!

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> = 60 days. Gotcha

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Loll

<r​ucknium:monero.social> A second theft would be an even bigger victory for Monero adversaries.

<s​pirobel:monero.social> say all the people with the hands in the cookie jar lol

<s​pirobel:monero.social> its all about politics

:$

<s​pirobel:monero.social> politics truth vs real truth

<s​pirobel:monero.social> political truth vs real truth

spirobel is also anti 'community meeting every other week' so please throw stones at us in a decentralised manner

my hand has not been in the cookie jar for 3 years actually

<s​pirobel:monero.social> we have a 24/7 community meeting anyway

(please pay me)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Im eating cookies rn

<s​pirobel:monero.social> these stupid rituals are just super inefficient

nice, which?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> No popcorn left

dsc_ you are talented so no

ty sir

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Regular chocolate chip

you deserve funding = sorry !

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Hypocrite plowsof

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Mr 3 months is 6

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Working for free rn

<s​pirobel:monero.social> but if there is no meeting there is no need to manage it. So the person with this job now is obviously against making this more efficient

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Not in the ProtectedGroup

this meeting was brought to you by DoorDash

<s​pirobel:monero.social> it all comes down to politics

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Neither is Kaya afaik

<s​pirobel:monero.social> people dont care about the thing as whole

<s​pirobel:monero.social> people dont care about the thing as a whole

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Foes love this filibuster though

<s​pirobel:monero.social> they just care about getting their tiny hands in the cookie jar and that is all that matters

spirobel finally gets it , now

<s​pirobel:monero.social> When do I get my cookies???????

Spirobel thrust forth thine hand

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Cookie jar = fame for some people.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > <l​uigi1111> Spirobel thrust forth thine hand

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Luigi giving away our lunch again

Too many cookies isn't good for you

we could even spend weeks/months voting on the multisig persons.. size of the group

How did the vote go

ok the vote

<0​xfffc:matrix.org> I don't understand why we should not have multisig wallet for managing these funds, instead of relying to single person. There are many people that I believe community trusts, plowsof, ofrnxmr and many others. (and I am not saying luigi should not one of the signature holders)

I can nominate some community members and enslave them into service

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> The governance says who givrs a fuck

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Governance says "core decides"

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I already drafted our leaders

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> But they dont want to lead

<r​ucknium:monero.social> 0xffc: Monero multisig is still experiential. We do not know if it is secure.

<r​ucknium:monero.social> experimental*

Ok so wat do

<0​xfffc:matrix.org> Any timeframe about when it will get more robust? Months? Years?

<r​ucknium:monero.social> Uh, multisig is also an "experience" with more than 3 signers. So it is experiential, too.

Yeah not bullish on high signer count

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > > <@rucknium:monero.social> 0xffc: Monero multisig is still experiential. We do not know if it is secure.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > Any timeframe about when it will get more robust? Months? Years?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Its in use by at least 1 active exchange, 1 in development, and 1 enterprise wallet (RINO)

<0​xfffc:matrix.org> 3 is enough IMHO. We want to prevent similiar issues. We don't want 4000 signer for each transaction.

<r​ucknium:monero.social> 0xffc: At fastest pace, 6 months to one year IMHO. The pace is zero now because no one is working on it. Check recent MRL meeting logs.

rough numbers from that GH issue 9 ish yes/maybes , 6 ish no

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> @luigi my suggestions are 3/4 and 2/3 for donation and payout, respectively

<0​xfffc:matrix.org> thanks. sure.

multisig just doesnt exist, we need a solution now

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > @luigi my suggestions are 3/4 and 2/3 for donation and payout, respectively

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> This is after UX improvements

we needed a solution the day of the hack

My suggestion for payout is 1 unless something online

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > <p​lowsof> multisig just doesnt exist, we need a solution now

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Have one now

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Had one weeks before the hack

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Months before

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > <l​uigi1111> My suggestion for payout is 1 unless something online

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 2/3 bcuz ppl afraid of wrenches. lolz

the payout wallet will be escrowed by luigi as per for "Vote"(tm) if he wants to

<a​ck-j:matrix.org> I would vote no, pending the forensic investigation. luigi was a target once and we dont know how the funds were lost, it would be idiotic to try the same thing again and just hope the threat actor goes away.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> But im fine with 1 for payout, if the signer is

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Im not ok with luigi being the sole signer :)

<a​ck-j:matrix.org> If we discover how the funds were stolen, I am fine with luigi being the custodian

just restating that a multisig group is used - for the big wallet - will have the opportunity to say "hey luigi.. we dont like yo uanymore. we're not sending you funds to payout anymore'

<r​ucknium:monero.social> For people who have posted CCS ideas, why not apply to MAGIC? Is it the KYC? Give hints about how MAGIC could improve worker experience please :)

please keep this in mind for da future

<h​into.janaiyo:matrix.org> hardware/cold wallet for the next few months (custodian pending), fast-track multisig development and move onto that eventually?

<b​tclovera:matrix.org> Agree

Rucknium: im unemployable, theres my reason

<h​into.janaiyo:matrix.org> unless taking the risk on multisig is worth it in this case

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > hardware/cold wallet for the next few months (custodian pending), fast-track multisig development and move onto that eventually?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Agreed. But not luigi.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> likely to lose the hw device

<h​into.janaiyo:matrix.org> multisig isn't that far off - the current deadlock is whether it should continue to be within monero-project/monero or not

Hasn't happened yet. But it could

we must not forget the work tobtot has done (before this even happened.. for working on QR code transfers in feather AND recently on multisig UX with jeffro256)

<h​into.janaiyo:matrix.org> kayaba already has a working impl, a review is all that is needed - although it is not controlled by core

tobtoht*

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > <p​lowsof> we must not forget the work tobtot has done (before this even happened.. for working on QR code transfers in feather AND recently on multisig UX with jeffro256)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> This is what im alluding to

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Working without real assurances

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> On hero missions

<b​tclovera:matrix.org> Yep this is important point

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> When we could use this opportunity to BRING IN mkre dev power

<h​into.janaiyo:matrix.org> if the current core were to be used, it would just take a couple of the current devs to shift focus on it

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Gives us a reason to MOVE FASTER

the multisig group will lead the coup

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Instead we stall for an entire quarter and come out with "we got no ideas"

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Plowsof is afraid of money corrupting him

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> But he knows hes not built like that 😂

next month, luigi will more than likely be sent funds from the general fund to payout some work in progress porposals (the same will be done for the rest of them)

we wont lose any sleep over that

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Yes we will

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Where tf is fcmp ?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> i havent slept in a month

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Where tf is the friggen coordinator?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Starving?

<h​into.janaiyo:matrix.org> Rucknium: it's the KYC

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> applying for part time jobs?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> we have billlions that we secure for people

DoorDash app is always available (can go online at any moment! and cash out daily)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> TIL

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Pays bettet than monero too, i bet 😆

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Wait. You dont have to request pay, ans be met with silence?

in the winter, (bad weather/rain - it's hard to compete with the earnings possible delivering food)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Doordash actually has your money?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> They didnt lose it, and let you continue working without telling you?

DD sponsored me to infiltrate the Monero community and recruit delivery riders, this is why i targetted the CCS

we have KYC like Magic, but you can begin work /getting paid even before your proposal is merged (or not) lol ok ill stap

<0​xfffc:matrix.org> KYC is dealbreaker for some of us.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Too bad we dont have any proposals for a monero doordash - oh yeah, we cant merge anything.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> K. So plowsof, can we agree were doing plan a or b, and we can do it today? Proposals can go up for monday etc?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> "what is plan a or b"

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Plan a: fix it

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> plan b: fix it harder

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> No vote, just a yes or no

luigi1111 has won the vote, by a huge majority, i know an acceptance speech on short notice is a bit rude but do you have anything to say?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> youtu.be/UA_7lcLD_8k

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> EOD

<b​tclovera:matrix.org> We cannot delay the proposals any longer

EODecember lmao

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> :D

Um.

<0​xfffc:matrix.org> Great speech!

luigi everyone... thank you. so luigi is escrowing everything , right

ArticMine thoughts on escrowing a big wallet and sending luigi CCS funds every x month(s)?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Sure, if thats what people are to believe

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I say "its fixed" and we can disclose how in 60days

the eventual multisig group for the big wallet will "oust" any bad performing escrow holders

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Thats not possible

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> You cant "oust" the supreme leader who controls everything

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Anyway

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Fixed today

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> ccs proposaks can go up soon

luigi shouldnt be in the Msig group of the large wallet

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Who needs to be merged

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Plowsof, kaya

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> who else

xmrscott has just shared their opinion on the GH issue also, thanks

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Erc, observer

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Jeffro and selsta are covered by GF (right)

the animated explainer video proposal that would need just ONE xmr (plus the stolen funds reimbursed from the general fund)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Any objections to merging

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> plowsof - coordinator

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> kaya - FCMP

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Erc - monero-site

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> observer - continued work

<m​ichael:monero.social> Congratulations luigi1111 and dankon very much for the hard work.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > Jeffro and selsta are covered by GF (right)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Dangerousfreedom is as well?

hooray luigi1111

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > Congratulations luigi1111 and dankon very much for the hard work.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> What are we celebrating

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Merge some damn proposals

XD

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Fkn circlejerk shit

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Were here, not for us, but for the proposers

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > Any objections to merging

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > plowsof - coordinator

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> kaya - FCMP

pipes need unclogging

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Erc - monero-site

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> observer - continued work

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> ^

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Don't threaten me with a good time

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> So.. nobody is going to vote?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > Any objections to merging

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > plowsof - coordinator

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> kaya - FCMP

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Erc - monero-site

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> observer - continued work

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> ^

hearing ArticMines opinion on the offer to escrow a big ccs wallet sounds great tho NGL + EODecember acceptance speach from luigi1111 with proposals merged and being funded

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> fuck that

i have zero objections ofrnxmr

Can't merge until there's a new wallet address up

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Thats for after the meeting

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > <p​lowsof> i have zero objections ofrnxmr

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Thank you

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > <l​uigi1111> Can't merge until there's a new wallet address up

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I said that.

<h​into.janaiyo:matrix.org> note that the agreed upon condition was for luigi1111 to create a more secure wallet

the latest version of Windows this time

<h​into.janaiyo:matrix.org> and yeah there's still website plumbing to fix

not the standard edition either (cheap skate volunteer) .. professional or nothing

Core is a tool for the community to use woohoo

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Meet back here in 1 week to discuss more proposals?

<s​pirobel:monero.social> if you dont have a license key i can send you a crack no problem

thank you spirobel

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Such has hintos and v1docq47

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Such as*

<r​ucknium:monero.social> hinto: Would you consider working on Seraphis instead of cuprate? There is already a dev working on cuprate. About 2.5 devs working on Seraphis now I think.

lets end the meeting here then, wen can the one whale start donating to proposals luigi1111? stay tuned. thanks all for joining x

<m​ichael:monero.social> Dankon everyone for a good meeting.

<r​ucknium:monero.social> I know Monero has no bosses, but having two people on cuprate and 2.5 on Seraphis does not seem like a good allocation of resources.

oh , ideas list suggestions

there have been no cuprate proposals merged onto the ccs for funding

boog's one had direct benefits to monero-core (and we are reaping the rewards already)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > <p​lowsof> lets end the meeting here then, wen can the one whale start donating to proposals luigi1111? stay tuned. thanks all for joining x

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I will let you know 😂

<r​ucknium:monero.social> ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/boog_2_months_cuprate.html

else we have to re-hash all of the same arguments for putting forward a monerod rust implementation to funding

<h​into.janaiyo:matrix.org> Rucknium: depends what else is left to be implemented in Seraphis

<h​into.janaiyo:matrix.org> i might just be stepping on toes joining this late - not to mention the c++ landmines

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> never too late with seraphis

anyone on the twitters want to talk about Monero with "Privacy Guardians spaces invite" twitter.com/privacyguardia have an open invite

+1 for never too late

im head of audits

lmao

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> haha. yep. "how did i end up here"

ZKsecurity wishes us a quick recovery BTW

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 😭😭

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> how much did they want again?..

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 10k/week?

<a​js_:matrix.org> dm me if anyone is available to chat about Monero with Privacy Guardians on twitter spaces

yes

thanks ajs_ , i almost forgot

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> (im not saying price is bad. Im saying - we HAVE MONEY TO RAISE. Not time to fk around)

100%.. we have to raise funds to formalise seraphis AND then fund ZKsecurity who so far are the best candidates to look at the paper

jberman has took over the 'get seraphis formalised part' now thankfully because >plowsof

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And cz left binance. Who knows if he'll keep donating

as to the 2 of 3 multisig, what are the odds that something happens to 2 of them and the wallet is therefore lost?

sorry missed the meeting, was out shopping for Cat

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Cat won the election

\o/

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > <n​ioc> as to the 2 of 3 multisig, what are the odds that something happens to 2 of them and the wallet is therefore lost?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Depending on who the 3 are, i say 0..

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> if one disappears, the other 2 can move funds

whoops, the other got hit by that damn bus

it cannot be zero

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Same day, same time?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Feds raiding everybody = possible

you think between it being known and action being taken no time has passed?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> if plowsof disappears for 24hrs, we can assume hes dead

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> If cat disappears for 6 hrs, same thing

24 of 25 multisig

lololol

<3

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Is bestest. Then we can freeze all funds forever

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Sir please confirm that works on ledger

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> (inside joke.. ptsd)

<0​xfffc:matrix.org> Each signature should have its own backup. Sign1 {Person1, Backup1}, Sign2 {Person2, Backup2, Sign3{Person3, Backup3}.

something like that would be needed yes

<0​xfffc:matrix.org> Each signature should have its own backup. Sign1 {Person1, Backup1}, Sign2 {Person2, Backup2}, Sign3{Person3, Backup3}.

so 2 of 6 ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

no matter the solution backup is needed

<0​xfffc:matrix.org> Good thing is, it is mathmatics, we can scale it as much as we want ( and have trusted people to take part in it ).

I imagine how it gets implemented matters

cause humans

Possession is 11/10ths or something

<r​ucknium:monero.social> 0xFFFC: Could you explain your idea? I don't understand it.

<0​xfffc:matrix.org> Oh, I was explaining there are ways to make it more robust. nioc said what if 2 out of 3 participants in multisig goes missing. I said we can have back up for each participants. For example each signature will have a lead and backup role. Lead will be the default one to sign, but backup will have the signature too. That way system is more resliant if participants goes missing in m<clipped message>

<0​xfffc:matrix.org> ulitsig walletn (for our CCS wallet).

<r​ucknium:monero.social> It's ok, but that means that private key material will be transported by the internet. You need to be sure that the communication is flawlessly e2ee

<h​into.janaiyo:matrix.org> Rucknium: depends what else is left to be implemented in Seraphis <<>> for seraphis the channel is no-wallet-left-behind and the person to talk to on matrix there is rbrunner7

<r​ucknium:monero.social> hinto: ^

2/3 becomes 2*/6 also

<h​into.janaiyo:matrix.org> nioc Rucknium: i'm not against the idea although it would be quite the betrayal to boog :)

<h​into.janaiyo:matrix.org> 1~ month of cuprate DB design back-and-forth would have been for naught

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Currently we are working with 3 devs on the wallet more or less in parallel. I doubt that right now a 4th dev would be a big win. But once we will have a stable new wallet "API", and it's question to adjust large pieces of the rest of the Monero codebase, the possibilities to work in parallel will probably open up considerably.

<r​brunner7:monero.social> I would estimate that's several month into the future.

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Ah, almost forgot, we already have a 4th dev that is currently learning their way around the codebase :)

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Anyway, the way I see it, for @hinto the following could be a possible career: First work several months on Cuprate, and then switch to Seraphis work. One of several possible of course.

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Stupid Element did not generate a proper reference: hinto

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> So we have an answer to the two important questions?

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Who’s holding the bag now and how the jetfund flew off?

btw for those using CLion with Monero, you'll know it can become quite slow at times

jetbrains released a new version of CLion with a new backend that is suppose to perform better for large codebases

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Windows enterprise with paid licence :0

<t​obtoht:monero.social> dsc_: I'm running CLion Nova and it's a noticeable improvement

<h​into.janaiyo:matrix.org> rbrunner7: thanks - "career" is a little scary to read lol

<h​into.janaiyo:matrix.org> what would be required/low-hanging fruit after the integration? RPC?

if someone needs paid plz contact me

Dangerousfreedom ^