<f​atcontroller:tchncs.de> XMR banned from exchanges in OZ. Best route to cash in? Purchase USDC for fiat then swap?

OZ?

<f​atcontroller:tchncs.de> OZ = Australia.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> trocador.app to swap

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> or localmonero perhaps

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> localmonero.co

<i​zzzy:matrix.org> LTC is also always a easy low fee swap. Localmonero is usually my choice. Very reliable.

<u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> odysee.com/monero-(xmr)-review-ist-…ab61d5716b5c3ce00b865fc447409ce8f50

<u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> Wtf monero is a shitcoin?? Ahahah

<u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> "Tail-emission" is a death sentence for xmr

<u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> "Tail-emission is a death sentence for xmr"

<u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> 😂

he also says that rather go with the 'sinking ship' Monero, it is better to wait for Bitcoin to adopt privacy features

<u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> Yes hahaa

which is something Bitcoin people keep telling me for 5+ years, I wonder when that will happen 'huh

<u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> He's saying we should rather develop on btc..

<u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> And he says you can be anonymous with dysfunctional lighting

<u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> He even disregarded this himself by arguing hard forks are bad for a chain. And the ground layer should be solid. But he is arguing you can build privacy on top?

its interesting how he ignores the obvious flaws in Bitcoin and refuses to acknowledge that what Monero solves

<u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> He even says at the end that xmr is second best but still a shitcoin. Man for these guys the only real coin is btc and that's it

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> plowsof - banhammer needs to be signed by the user

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> For the same reason police have badge numbers

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> tech9 is in resolutions wondering why he was banned by banhammer. Of course mods aren't responding.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Also, you have to join on matrix. M-relay is to be banned if invited to that room

<c​trej:matrix.org> "asic resistance is only temporary"

<c​trej:matrix.org> say that you don't know shit about randomX without saying that you dont know shit

<s​gp:magicgrants.org> They shared CP. There's no "multiple warnings" for that

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I'm not defending CP

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Make it sound as if I knew anything beyond the reason given by banhammer

does anybody object if i create an adhoc meeting to discuss all outstanding meta issues that arent CCS related? I'll moderate.

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> we could first raise a few in the normal community meeting for which the meeting template accounts for. Lets see if there is ample time to cover them (with the recent CCS wallet issue somewhat resolved, we're just waiting for merges) , any meta issues in particular?

No. I think there is enough already with CCS meetings, and some of the current meta issue will take a while.

It's cleaner (i think) to seperate CCS issues from -community issues.

Unless of course there is a direct link (like the CCS wallet issue)

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> we'd have to visit the "define labels for -meta" issue monero-project/meta #90

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> a "Discussion" list would be created, and judged

I don't think meta issues have been labelled that much, to be honest. We can add all non CCS related meta issues to this adhoc meeting, and then discuss them. If people feel the issue should be moved to a CCS meeting, they can do that.

Or at least propose that, and provide a justification

When is the next CCS meeting plowsof?

(i can't see an agenda anywhere)

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> there is a community meeting slot on the 23rd , not yet confirmed

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> not sure on everyone's availability

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> wen CCS wallet v2.0 luigi1111

Ok. So 30th December or 13th January 2024 are available dates?

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> yes

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> If midi is "meta-coordinator", lol

ok. I am tempted to schedule for 30th of December, as it would be nice to make forward progress on some before we start a new year

If i make the issue later, it gives almost two weeks for people to organise/gather what info they feel they need

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> You should bring up the idea at a community meeting to be voted on

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Should be split

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And should midi be in charge of meta

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> If were voting now

<c​trej:matrix.org> next community meeting is 23th, right?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Other and no

i don't think i need to bring up the idea of a community meeting at a community meeting

That's really not efficient

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Yes you do

No i don5

*don't

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Youre just making up meetings on your own now?

<c​trej:matrix.org> plowof please add to your meeting list: "how to deal with pending meta issues, midipoet volunteered to nmoderate an extra meeting"

<c​trej:matrix.org> plowof please add to your meeting list: "how to deal with pending meta issues, midipoet volunteered to moderate an extra meeting"

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And youre deciding what we discuss and / resolve on your own now?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> +1 ct

ofrnxmr: no. The agenda would be decided by community. I would post a version 1 and ask people to comment if they want to add anything.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> "add" rm -rf midipoet

<c​trej:matrix.org> there are 7 days inbetween the community meeting and your proposed date. plenty of time to prepare for anyone who wants to participate

Sure. Create a meta issue!

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> No

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Why would i do anything that YOU moderate?

Will post 23rd meeting / add to agenda ceetee EOD

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> You got me banned for a witch hunt

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> now you want to moderate meetings about witch hunts

<c​trej:matrix.org> thanks plowsof

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> You vote up things for your friends, and accuse people who deliver evidence and facts of being gatekeepers

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> You think retroactive funding for CODE is the same thing as for policy larping

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> you're not unbiased, and you cant even act like it

<c​trej:matrix.org> imho moderators must be impartial, the vote is not about whether meta issues should be resolved but rather if the community wants you to be the moderator for that

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> You're not even taking on this initiative because there is work to do. Its because you want to control the outcome and silence gatekeepers

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> "gatekeepers"

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Ceetee, that was my "other"

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> id almost be ok with a 2hr long meeting

ctrej: to be honest i don't think 7 days is long enough. I'll post a proposed agenda for the 30th, and then if people think it's necessary to vote on whether to have meeting on the 30th, they can vote on the 23rd.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> #monero-midicommunity

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Lol

ctrej: fair enough. I'll post the agenda and then people can decide on whether it's ok for me to moderate. Sound fair?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> How?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> You cant make the agenda

the agenda is just going to be a list of outstanding non-CCS issues

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> well i guess you can

Probably ordered oldest to newest

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And you can throw whatever party you want

It's not fucking rocket science

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> What matters is if we respect your decisions

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> "Probably" sounds like something you haven't thought of yet

sure, but at least Core can see there has been a meeting and then adjudicate where there isn't consensus (if required).

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> core aint shit

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Who cares what core sees or even pays attn to

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> "core can veto!!"

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> can you even name em?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Core is dissolving, isbt that a meta issue

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Fluffy resigning , another meta issue

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Midi, lets go, we need to resolve them

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Rofl

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Theyre meta for a reason

<c​trej:matrix.org> it's a mess midi. that's why we need to talk about it at the next community meeting

Official colours of the Monero Logo . Lets solve this once and for all

ctrej: i agree. That's why i am trying to get a dedicated meeting to resolve it.

I did also propose that plowsof moderate it, but someone said it wasn't their responsibility

So i proposed to moderate.

<c​trej:matrix.org> a lot of meta issues might not be solvable in a meeting

I don't need to moderate and couldn't really care who does. i just think the issues should be resolved and cleared from the meta repository and any concrete action required to be taken.

ctrej: i get that

But at least we might get to an action point. As it stands the CCS meetings don't get anything resolved and nor does the endless finger wagging

So if we have a dedicated meeting we can post the logs in the issues and try and actually move to get something done

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > <m​idipoet> I did also propose that plowsof moderate it, but someone said it wasn't their responsibility

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Liar

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> You didnt propose shit

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> You TOLD plowsof to close them

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And i told you he doesnt have the power

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And closing monerokon meetings is monerokons fucking job

No. I told him to close issues that needed closed. Basically all past meetings

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Sir dr monerokon director

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> All of his past meeting are closed. Are yours?

If you think my intention was to close all issues regardless, then you are mistaken

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Maybe wipe your own fucking ass

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> No

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> You told him specifically abt monerokon meetings, and i fell out of my chair

All his aren't closed

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> His meetings?

well, the community meetings issue from the past, no.

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> The only issues are miss use of the offical email which has evidence but people seem to thing nothings wrong and my one which currently is in play again.

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> The only issues are  miss use of the offical email which has evidence but people seem to think nothings wrong and my one which currently is in play again.

The extended meetings have not reached an end so still open

monero-project/meta #934 looks open to me (maybe it's closed)

Thats 1 meeting

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> plowsof: you fucking skacker

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> You missed a spot

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> (see midi? It is "you missed a spot")

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Its open cause WTF HAPPENED TO THE FUNDS

plowsof: i know, i am just pointing out it's open

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Know what though

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Monerkon has a bunch

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Super fucking slackers

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 4 meetings in a row

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> monero-project/meta #879

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Pretty sure my evidence would convict

Exactly. be nice if they were closed as well

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 👩‍🦯

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Midi

Anyway, I'll make the agena and then you all can vote on who you want to be moderator. Wouldn't want to annoy the children!

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Who is gergely?

*agenda

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> That does _not_ look like "plowsof"

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> but maybe im retarded

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > <m​idipoet> Anyway, I'll make the agena and then you all can vote on who you want to be moderator. Wouldn't want to annoy the children!

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Vote on if were going to use your ideas at all

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> How about you contact gergely

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> How can you close when

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> 1. No emails where shown to communiry

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> 2. He still has access to the email

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Open case

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Instead of larping about closing monerkon meeting issues

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > > <@m-relay:monero.social> <m​idipoet> Exactly. be nice if they were closed as well

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > How can you close when

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > 1. No emails where shown to communiry

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > 2. He still has access to the email

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > Open case

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> You cant. Thats why its meta

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> monero-project/meta #899

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> This one keeps people honest i think

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Because its in discussion

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > monero-project/meta #899

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > This one keeps people honest i think

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> This is supposed to be on events meeting agenda now too

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> #telegrambotgate

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> i assume its on the agenda, nit for censorship, but for trending #permbanofrn

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> This here is why fluffy as played his cards well

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Lets create working groups instead of core

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Midi the liar claims im not welcoming

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Sure if people can agree not to fck other people ovwr

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I think thats a question for the new folks.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> im not welcoming - to parasites

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And im not welcoming to people who want to waste hours of community time on larping

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Look at the issues midi wanrs meeting for

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Idiot shit. I cant entertain this circus

Ok fine. Let's just leave them open. Ignore me.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Meetibgs?!?!

I did try.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Go comment on the damn issue if its solved

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Ping the op to close it

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> You need 10 people for that??

plowsof: you can remove the agenda item from the 23rd. It's obviously not needed.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> You can close 4 of them rn

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Go to events, and tell gerbely to close em

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Oh look

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Plowsof is already doing the work

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> monero-project/meta #630

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> This could be closed

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Lol

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > Go comment on the damn issue if its solved

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> monero-project/meta #191#issuecomment-1859221015

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> You need a fkn meeting for this?!

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> ty for bringing to attention, but you ppl keep tellibg me to OPEN A META ISSUE

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> How bout, no. Id rather close em.

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Im a close u!

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> abd you dont need a meeting to do what plowsof is doing

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> You need to just do it

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Dan r/dark (Is not the man & Braxman Tomsparks Advocate ): monero-project/meta #232#issuecomment-395659140

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> He can co ordinate the closing by say post a comment

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> endogenic monero-project/meta #281

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Competition

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Also yes mattermost has a plugin to matrix

sorry?

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Better then irc

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> monero-project/meta #376#issue-472320751

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> q and a

Have we even filled out our community christmas cards yet

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > <e​ndogenic> sorry?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> The issue i linked

ya but what's up

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > Also yes mattermost has a plugin to matrix

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> ASSIGNED

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> When the office christmas party?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > <e​ndogenic> ya but what's up

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Any updated comments?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> open, close? status?

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Noooooo

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Youre right

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Let midi moderate

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 😂

ofrnxmr: on that issue?

it would be FAR more efficient if status updates and info on open meta issues was handled within a meetiny

*meeting

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Endogenic yes sir

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> how would it be more efficient than finishing the job without asking 10 uninvolved persons?

no updates. I'll publish something soon tho. solved the prior issue but now there are some remaining todos

but known quantities

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> youre still talking about meeting and were about to be 25% done

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> By the time the 30th hits, you wont have a job

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > <e​ndogenic> no updates. I'll publish something soon tho. solved the prior issue but now there are some remaining todos

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Ty

good stuff coming

<s​gp:magicgrants.org> How do you think any meetings occur? The Monero blockchain gives the right for plowsof to host a meeting here?

<s​gp:magicgrants.org> Meetings only happen if people schedule them. And you're welcome not to attend.

<s​gp:magicgrants.org> In general, I'm pro people organizing and having meetings to help make things in the community better, whether it's meta or anything else

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> How long is this board meeting going to be

<s​gp:magicgrants.org> I don't think midi has access to manage the meta repo (?), so it's making suggestions anyway

<s​gp:magicgrants.org> Why does everything need to be a crucifixion

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Maybe people can just bump the issue and ask can it be closed?

<s​gp:magicgrants.org> Yeah, I'm not saying that can't be done

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Please schedule a team meeting with department heads

<s​gp:magicgrants.org> I'm just saying that if someone wants to schedule a meeting before doing that, I'm not going to complain about it

<s​gp:magicgrants.org> Recall the purpose of this channel was originally to discuss FFS proposals and community news once a week. It wasn't officially granted any authority or anything. Diego and I just... started planning them

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> But where's the fun if you can't dictate other people's time when **you** feel like it?

<s​gp:magicgrants.org> Who is dictating your time? You don't need to go to any meetings

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Not what I meant :P nvm

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Well my department meets kpis cause ofrn closes cases quickly

<s​gp:magicgrants.org> You can make your own "Monero Cynics Roundtable" meetings whenever you want as well

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Why

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> too busy

<s​gp:magicgrants.org> You're here 24/7 sir

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I am

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I have 24/7 coverage

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Every continent too

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I don't even sleep

<s​gp:magicgrants.org> I just want to make sure people understand that not every room needs to be for everything, and if a certain workgroup isn't a good fit for some reason, you can always make your own parallel workgroup, that's ok. I'd like to see that more often

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Too busy solving case

<s​gp:magicgrants.org> Monero Talk wanted their own event with their own ideas. Good!

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Now get back to work ofrn!

<s​gp:magicgrants.org> etc etc

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Or ima whip u

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Kinky

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Now where all friends again are you going to unban ofrn?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> No. Need meta issue to permaban ofrn

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> So i have to look for support replacement?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> nitter.net/nahuhhXMR/status/1732901663969587514

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> (the guy deleted all of his tweets)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> #telegrambot

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Looks like your talking to yourself

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Crazy person

sgp: it seems that to have any type of meeting here, we first have to ask the community their opinion in the community meeting run by plowsof.

<s​gp:magicgrants.org> It's probably kind to get their blessing before using this room, but you could of course host it anywhere else if they disagree

Ah jesus, could you imagine the shitshow if i said it was gonna be in -policy

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Meeting for meta issues?

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> We will lock the doors and keep them locked until all is resolved

123bob123: the idea would be too move forward on the outstanding issues and post any meaningful issues/outcomes to the github issue, including defined action points/info requests. There are a fair few that could be closed (always can be reopened if required), in my opinion. What is the other option? Leave them open for infinity?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> No. Get to work

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Plowsof and i started

I'll believe it when i see it

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> its in this chat

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> monero-project/meta #191#issuecomment-1859221015

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Incoming fallacy in 3..2..

Fantastic. More comments

God bless the workers

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> R u retarded?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Can you not read the comment?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Is plowsof L.A.R.Ping like you?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> No. He's signing up to do the damn work

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> God bless the workers? Plowsof? Yeah, god bless plowsof.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> github.com/plowsof/monero-gui-exe

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> MoaR ComMaNtS. fanTasiA

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Who is this plowsof

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> i know its hard to believe, but (get this) plowsof puts in hours of hard labor. Doesnt just host meeting 4 times a year for monerkon tix

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > Who is this plowsof

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> My ai workhorse

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> If im on 24/7, hes on 48/7

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I found a video of the meta meeting

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> youtu.be/u8Kt7fRa2Wc