<c​openhagen_bram:matrix.org> What do you mean by steganographic cryptocurrency?

<c​openhagen_bram:matrix.org> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_in_Kazakhstan#Internet_shutdowns

<c​openhagen_bram:matrix.org> They need Briar and/or Manyverse over there, maybe

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> It will be like one person sends a text, image, audio or video to another. The recipient decodes it as a financial transaction. Anyone intercepting it would just see it as a text, image, audio or video. It's a little bit like transferring an NFT like you would give somebody a currency note, only no one other than the sender and recipient know that it is money and only they know th<clippe

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> e amount. You could use YouTube to send money!

<p​reland:matrix.org> The main issue with using cryptography as a form of anonymity is it assumes your jurisdiction operates under the logic of “innocent until proven guilty” when many jurisdictions operate under the exact opposite.

<p​reland:matrix.org> The only reason some tyrannical regimes allow their people to use encryption is a fear of becoming “held back” technologically (a very real fear, just look at Western export policy on encryption in the 90s). But if a regime doesn’t care about that, they can simply control or middleman all the ISPs in their region, block (or worse, store) anything that isn’t http or whateve<clipped message>

<p​reland:matrix.org> r middlemanned protocol they force upon their country, and prosecute and imprison those who conceal their internet connection, no matter how benign the reason is. This not only applies to cryptocurrency, but also darknets and p2p in general.

<p​reland:matrix.org> To get back onto chatroom topic, Monero unfortunately won’t be usable in these tyrannical environments. Which is a shame, as they are the ones with the most to gain from possessing it (more than just privacy in transactions and purchases—a store of value and method of currency that is outside of the control of any government or corrupt entity)

<p​reland:matrix.org> The main issue I see with steganography is how you would transmit messages that:

<p​reland:matrix.org> 1. Maintain a relatively good information-to-bits ratio (if it takes 1megabyte to transmit 1 byte, that’s not good)

<p​reland:matrix.org> 2. Use steganography that is not a “magic trick”, where once you know the method used, you can decrypt everything used with it (or at least know messages are encrypted with it, which in a “guilty until innocent” jurisdiction is basically a death sentence). This weeds out basically most current obfuscation methods, from classic cyphers to the MOVfuscator (look it up); and i<clipped message>

<p​reland:matrix.org> f you can pass that….

<p​reland:matrix.org> 3. Does the data even make sense encrypted? What I mean is this: if a middleman sees that you consistently send and receive ~50MBs of noisy images, are they going to think you are a normal user, or realize something is up? Even craftier things I can theoretically think about, such as steganographic HTML pages or videos with weird compression on them, fail this step miserably.

<p​reland:matrix.org> It’s quite a puzzle. If you can figure it out, you’ve probably solved a billion dollar, nay, a billion XMR problem.

<c​openhagen_bram:matrix.org> The only kind of text steganography I can think of that isn't easily detected if you look at it in a hex editor is first letter of every sentence, or every 6th letter, things like that

<c​openhagen_bram:matrix.org> But image steganography is a thing

<c​openhagen_bram:matrix.org> I wonder if it's possible to hide data in an image in a plausibly deniable way

<c​openhagen_bram:matrix.org> What I mean is that you would need the correct password to even *detect* that there is a hidden message. If you attempt to decode/detect a hidden message in an image using a certain password, and you get back nothing but noise/meaningless data, there should be no way to tell whether you got the wrong password for a hidden message that actually exists, or if you are pointlessly try<clipped messag

<c​openhagen_bram:matrix.org> ing to decode a hidden message that doesn't exist

<a​remor:matrix.org> A kraken and Binance delisting would be great at this point. Let the real markets take over

<a​remor:matrix.org> Tried it a few days ago and could only find scammers. They don’t have any penalty for canceling trades or attempting to renegotiate, so scammers are welcome.

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> I used it a ton of time in the past, only successful trade except one (refund was success back in the lower BTC scamfees days. Only annoyance is the 72 Block wait time for claiming the refund)

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> I like the concept, it's like the only decentralized thing that actually do work

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Did you parsed the logs aremor ? To know what append

<a​remor:matrix.org> Guys asking for better rates or just canceling w/ no conversation

<a​remor:matrix.org> And payments have no chargebacks in my country

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> You can't have conversation obviously. it have no chat

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> A wait, you talk about localmonero

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> and not the ASB thing lol

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Yeah, I guess it depend of your area

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> I did use it so many time I can't count, never got a problem, nice people on there

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Some are slow af and some are almost instant.

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Different location :: Different people

<a​remor:matrix.org> I need to start selling to my friends so that I’ll have local people to buy back from when needed

<a​remor:matrix.org> Need local circulation

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Did you tried to be on the other side of the trade on Local Monero?

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> If you do taker, switch to Maker role

<a​remor:matrix.org> Yeah I’ve tried both

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Selling to friends to use them as buffer do work, assuming they like to own cryptos

<a​remor:matrix.org> For years

<a​remor:matrix.org> Two are speculators…. But it’s something

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> The trick to have plenty of good people in your aera was to lobby Localmonero to your localbitcoins contact when they announced termination of the service

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> If you did not do that, mean that most of them are on Binance P2P and what's the name of the other again......

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> PAxful

<a​remor:matrix.org> People here mostly only know btc…. And they’ll accept it if you offer….

<a​remor:matrix.org> btc is so useless right now IMO. def not good for transfer of value.

<a​remor:matrix.org> I’ve been a supporter in the past for $10 to send $0.10 makes no fn sense

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Yeah, it's why you lobby Agoradesk, not localmonero.

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Once they switch to agoradesk, most notice how the XMR contact accumulate way more rating and switch to the good side 😂

<a​remor:matrix.org> I’ve been a supporter in the past but $10 to send $0.10 makes no fn sense

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> 479lrqnf465b1.webp

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> The best methods, I can think of for photos would be multi-faceted

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> It would have to be a combination of hue/saturation, discrete qr code formulation, and metadata.

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> It would be possible to encrypt every message using the hex code for the saturation, or brightness to decypt the metadata in the image, for a password locked qr code.

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/145wt9v/aigenerated_functional_qr_codes

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> That is a thought, how possible it is I'm not sure but since we're talking about, I thought it would be an interesting thought experiment.

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> Free to talk about in offtopic if anyone else has thoughts, or ideas.

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> Monero off topic

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> matrix.to/#/#monero-offtopic:monero.social

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> too obvious

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> they can be wayy more subtle

<system> file image.png too big to download (1241921 > allowed size: 1000000)

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> image.png

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> slightly too obvious

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> you dont need straight lines :)

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Wtf that does indeed scan

<o​cean:matrix.thisisjoes.site> this works? 🤔

<o​cean:matrix.thisisjoes.site> haha thats wild

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> qr error correction is very robust

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> I mean not if you hide behind layers, or hue/saturation, adjust the colors so it becomes more visible.

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> I'm not sure of the best ways to tackle it but a good art designer would be able to incorporate it I am sure.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> if you dont automate it via AI you wont have enough images to not be suspicious

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/ycXTAiecjgtnpjpzyPStMJhg

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> Use hue, & saturation, or brightness, & contrast monerobull

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> (Mods please no ban, alter the image in a photo software, this is an example of a hypothetical)

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> (I am not endorsing, nor being against communism)

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> 9

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> (Oh, I guess it doesn't work the way I intended without layers :/ )

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/mSGJttZaVWmjVVyIGQXfsEac

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/GJhYeNgZfVFuhQzvEXRnmRrC

<k​arano:poddery.com> naah man

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> I used the communist symbol since in the modern era communism tends to be conflated with authoritarian regimes like China, North Korea, & Cuba that tend to take excessive steps in censorship.

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> And yes before the comrades in here say, stateless, classless, moneyless society, etc., etc.

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> I am proposing a use case as it may be realistically be used in the real world, again I am not condemning communism the ideology, I am making this disclaimer so that I am not banned by mods for conflating communism with censorship.

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> But in my honest opinion images are the perfect encryption medium since images have nuances, symbology, hidden messages, etc.

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> There's even photos that can contain viruses, so I think if there was a protocol developed that made images register as normal pngs, gifs, or jpgs to regular computers but with custom coded software could have hidden layers to decrypt the hidden messages.

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> In theory with a complex enough network we could send encrypted messages on basic networks.

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> That is all from me.

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/AsZBAywgRckonaNqgCbGKGWt

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> This one works as intended.

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> I got too confident with error correction :/

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Hiding something in an image != encryption

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> It's obfuscation at best

<c​openhagen_bram:matrix.org> yes, but the thing being obfuscated can, and should, be encrypted

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Did somebody say something against obfuscation? Monero's rings are also merely an obfuscation of the sender. Still works more or less.

<r​brunner7:monero.social> I think if knowledgeable cryptographers would make a serious attempt to come up with workable steganography on a large scale on today's Internet, website and services landscapes, you could expect results.

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Monero daemons watching a video that a wallet uploaded to get transactions out of it, and wallets watching videos uploaded by daemons to sync the blockchain. Or so :)

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> The difference in this case is that Monero's rings rely on statistics, while the above examples were about generating wavy QR codes to "hide" things

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Hint: if a photocamera with a QR code scanning feature can detect and read the QR code, so can an automated script that scans your images - and more efficiently at that since it doesn't have to compensate for your shaky hand

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> So using that method to transmit data around is basically a Rube Goldberg machine

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> (Of course, actual steganography is a whole different story)

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> Should there be a MoneroisForEveryone . Com website, highlighting the different types of people who have used, and promoted monero.

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> I think if people see the use cases especially for such a vast array of different people then people will realize the utility, and value.

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> They will also realize Cryptocurrency isn’t woke, or racist, etc. but simply a way to engage in transactions.

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> I think the boomers think it’s woke since it’s tech, and Democrats supposedly own more crypto than republicans.

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> And then progressives think it’s racist because The Trucker convoy, and Daily Stormer have used it, and climate change.

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> So, I think if we can debunk that, and show that Normal LGBTQ+ people, and Christians, etc. also use it for good means then it we will “de-scarify” it.

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> I’m going to be formulating a page myself for that but I am pitching the thought out there if someone wants to go the extra mile with it.

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> We can list both types of organizations too (if we can find any)

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> Like BLM, and Back The Blue.

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> Pro-Mother, & Baby Support Organizations, and Pro-Bodily Automation Organizations.

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> Communists, and Nazis.

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> LGBTQ+ , and Christians.

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> Vivek, and RFK jr.

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> Etc., Etc.

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> So it gets that nice even nuanced balanced taste.

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> I think it was also cool when Howard did that Ukraine thing to improve Ukraine’s donations, & I think it’s cool that Russia legalized piracy, & that people can circumvent global trade sanctions, restrictions, bans, & censorship regardless if they’re good, or bad, or it’s just sort of morally gray.

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> Since we are all human, & we’re just looking out for our own best interests at hearts after all.

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> As the saying goes

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/GEQirwJXaTRqhdJtABszjcZm

Monero has no affiliation to any group of people / color / creed / sexuality / tea or coffee drinkers, nor does it have to pander to any of them. Monero means money

Lies

If that is true, unban me! And spirobel!

lol.

nick nick

hello

anyone there

how much hashrate do i need to solomine a xmr block in 24 hours

1 block/day? Around 1/720th of the network hashrate

so 3-4 MH/s

Thats Monero(tm) ,

the intraday high for general fund continues. following a 20xmr donation, someone sent 100xmr nitter.net/WatchFund/status/1748253556535177613

or is this confirming that Friday is the best day of the week?

TIL it's Friday

<k​owalabearhugs-:matrix.org> Congratulations to MoneroKon on forming a Czech nonprofit

<k​inghat:matrix.org> twitter.com/aphysicist/status/1747868626948907325

<k​inghat:matrix.org> ai and econ. no idea how accurate it is.

hlo folks

How much hashrate do i need to find a Monero block solo mining in 24 hours

3-4 MH/s

how did u calc it

network hasrate / 720

why 720

720 blocks/day

sech1

ok

but what is luck in solo mining

??

sech1

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Luck? You can find the very next block after calculating a few lonely hashes, or you can hash away for days without hitting a block even with 4 MH/s. It's basically random. But with 4 MH/s you will probably find 1 block a day *on average*.

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> Global hashrate / 720

<c​openhagen_bram:matrix.org> There are already Tor bridges that obscure your connection to Tor and make it look like something else

in layman's terms, what is 4MH/s equal to in computer power?

about 265 12 core AMD CPUs

that's quite a lot of CPUs

<c​hch3003:monero.social> I am bored. Can I help someone crafting nice UI for cheap? If you have a small website Monero-related, with a few simple screens that looks like 90's style, ping me!

<c​hch3003:monero.social> Can be free if you are broke, depends on the project

<a​mbitiouslemming:matrix.org> Does anyone know who used to run the XMRMemes.com site or maintain it? It would be nice to have it up and running again.

<a​mbitiouslemming:matrix.org> web.archive.org/web/20211016215911/http://xmrmemes.com

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> its probably gone cause domain expired `Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2023-07-16T06:27:16.00Z`

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> and you cant buy the domain

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> can*

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> monero.memes domain is available too

<e​scapethe3ra:matrix.org> yes, monerodirectory was the maintainer: monero.observer/xmrmemes-website-down

<e​scapethe3ra:matrix.org> source code is here, anyone can revive the project: repo.getmonero.org/AnonDev/xmrmemes

<c​hch3003:monero.social> Someone just bought the domain? it redirects to getmonero.org now

<j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> arstechnica.com/features/2024/01/ho…sted-the-myth-of-bitcoins-anonymity

<j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> monero is next

<j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> mark my words

Yes chch3003 you own xmrmemes now, congrats. Jokeman203 thanks for the laughs "the revelation in late 2013 that Bitcoin was, in fact, the opposite of untraceable" mind = blown

<j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> pay your taxes capitalist oppressor

<c​hch3003:monero.social> It's not me!

<c​hch3003:monero.social> Damn, a communist here!

<j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> and what?

<c​hch3003:monero.social> And you should read some books and grow up

<j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> you should read some theory yourself and maybe realise what you support is wrong

<c​hch3003:monero.social> Alright, give me one name I should read

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> chch3003: don't feed the troll ;)

<c​hch3003:monero.social> I am just bored haha

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> And violent rhetoric: enough with the offtopic/trolling. Take it to #monero-offtopic or whatever