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<horizon-foundry:matrix.org> In regards to the research lab, what is the actual goal of the meetings? Just updating the community?

<ofrnxmr> No

<ofrnxmr> Seems like a silly question

<ofrnxmr> ask duck.ai

<horizon-foundry:matrix.org> I don't think it is. I read the last meeting's chat logs and it's basically developer meetings and discussing current branches/features that they're working on. Doesn't really relate to the community per se, more just the development cycle. No idea what duck.ai is, not sure I want to use it.

<torir:unredacted.org> duck.ai is DuckDuckGo's free (ad-supported, I think) AI chat service. The models are pretty weak, but hey, it's free and can be used without an account (even on Tor).

<torir:unredacted.org> Ah, nevermind, it's not ad-supported, it has a freemium model where you pay for better models.

<torir:unredacted.org> You also have Lumo, which is Proton's AI offering.

<horizon-foundry:matrix.org> Pretty sure it was shown that duckduckgo was sharing information with google a few years ago. Same thing with bing. It's just another front for data collection.

<c99e:matrix.org> @horizon-foundry:matrix.org: All companies or startups that need to scale/grow WILL collect data, even when they say they won't. Same goes with e.g., VeniceAI who claim to be private yet raised another $25M recently...

<c99e:matrix.org> They need the data to adapt and improve, there is no other way for them

<horizon-foundry:matrix.org> RIght, but if your schtick is to be a privacy search engine and you're working in the background with the corporate scumsuckers, I don't think it's a good idea for anyone to suggest their services

<horizon-foundry:matrix.org> Betrayal shouldn't be rewarded.

<c99e:matrix.org> Yep, but unfortunately the public and common user don't know the difference between privacy by policy which can be broken any time by any employee with a company computer and privacy by hardware (e.g., TEE attested hardware). As long as it has some nice branding though... 🤷

<horizon-foundry:matrix.org> Well, they spent billions on psychology research for advertising and marketing over the last 50 years, so they're going to milk all the cheap tricks until citizens figure it out.

<horizon-foundry:matrix.org> Anyway, is anyone doing a business development group here or no?

<c99e:matrix.org> @horizon-foundry:matrix.org: what kind of business development?

<horizon-foundry:matrix.org> Creating supply chains that operate on crypto and smart contracts exclusively.

<horizon-foundry:matrix.org> Socks, beans, pumps, engines, whatever. Is anyone creating the groundwork for it?

<c99e:matrix.org> uhhhh kind of? though exclusively for electronic services, nothing physical like that

<c99e:matrix.org> @horizon-foundry:matrix.org: now that i think of it i dont recall encountering some service that offers stuff like this for crypto

<horizon-foundry:matrix.org> Well, if you want adoption, you have to sell what the majority of people use on a daily basis. Such is my opinion, anyway.

<c99e:matrix.org> @horizon-foundry:matrix.org: true, whats stoppng you from doing it?

<horizon-foundry:matrix.org> Customers, supply partners, and starting capital, for the most part.

<c99e:matrix.org> @horizon-foundry:matrix.org: customers is probably the easiest to get of the 3, I think for supply partners either go with China which is reliable + cheap for the start, or do some dropshipping type shit which is kinda cringe but can probably work if its crypto-centered

<c99e:matrix.org> starting capital is the biggest oof

<c99e:matrix.org> but ngl im interested, though kind of in between 2 other things

<c99e:matrix.org> are you based in the US?

<horizon-foundry:matrix.org> I am. I have skills and equipment, so I can get some products out, but industrial scale would be difficult, and like I said, I don't necessarily have customers for the scale of products I could produce.

<horizon-foundry:matrix.org> Of course, I have some ideas for edge/novel business applications, but it's mostly napkin drawings, so to speak.

<horizon-foundry:matrix.org> Regardless, working together with people who already have the process figured out would be ideal, but if I have to arrange things myself, that's fine too.

[CCS Proposals] Boog 900 opened merge request #691: Boog900 Cuprate FCMP++ support (Rust Monero node). repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/691

<rene_guenon:matrix.org> n1oc: What is CCS?

<syntheticbird> @rene_guenon:matrix.org: Community Crowdfunding System. It is a getmonero.org platform for crowdfunding initiatives for Monero or its ecosystem.

also n1oc is a bot that posts certain activity on the CCS

<rene_guenon:matrix.org> What are requirements to submit CCS?

see the link I provided

<syntheticbird> @rene_guenon:matrix.org: bribery

<syntheticbird> give me 50 xmr and I'll give you double in crowdfunding

<syntheticbird> works 99.9% of the time

<syntheticbird> just kidding its in the rule section on the CCS website

<rene_guenon:matrix.org> I will take a look at, thanks 😊

<routingerror:metropolis.nexus> Don't kick me just here to learn

<routingerror:metropolis.nexus> It feels like monero can't be used to accumulate wealth

<routingerror:metropolis.nexus> I think It is a flatcoin

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> Monero is what btc was meant to be, private money

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> Some people love the price going up

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> Others don’t give fk

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> It won’t go to zero, won’t go to the moon

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> 1xmr can get you the same things today that 1xmr in a month

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> P2P and circular economy!

not too long ago wen montero wuz ~250 people called it a stable coin

now itz 400

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> Montero, linda good song

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> Kinda*

but yeah it is not 10 years ago

the thing is you won't lose your wealth

the preceding is not financial advice

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Inflation > <nioc> now itz 400

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Price of pasta just went up 25% overnight. Should have bought pasta stocks

I stocked up with many things in April

<jpk68:matrix.org> Which is a better name: Helioselene or Pasta Curves

you had to be blind not to see the few chair

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> I stocked up some cigarettes and monster energy drinks

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> Can’t be a Monero maxi without my stimulants, can’t allow inflation to fuck that up

<jpk68:matrix.org> What flavour? I have been enjoying Pipeline Punch

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> @jpk68:matrix.org: Monster zero, the og and mango loco!

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> Tried the Java ones, tasty but not commonly found here

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> And a nice Marlboro reds or with mint if I have to interact with humans.

<jpk68:matrix.org> Nice, I like the Java ones too :))

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> @jpk68:matrix.org: Those are hard to beat

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> Just the flavor tho, caffeine do nothing to me :(

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> And oh boi, do I enjoy my drinks and coffee.

I guess every channel is off-topic nowadays lol

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> (Sorry, I always forget)

not only you :)

<routingerror:metropolis.nexus> Not true as price stayed the same > <@slowbeardigger:matrix.org> 1xmr can get you the same things today that 1xmr in a month

<routingerror:metropolis.nexus> Also isn't lightning better as it's encryption / onion routing

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> You’re talking about btc?

<routingerror:metropolis.nexus> Bitcoin lightning

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> And it’s lightning thingy

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> Ah

<routingerror:metropolis.nexus> @routingerror:metropolis.nexus: Though monero has better p2p properties

<routingerror:metropolis.nexus> I still don't think it is "wealth"

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> Let’s move the topic from here to #monero-offtopic:monero.social

<routingerror:metropolis.nexus> I think this question is technical enough to stay in WG > <@routingerror:metropolis.nexus> Also isn't lightning better as it's encryption / onion routing

<routingerror:metropolis.nexus> Hope someone answers without emotions ahhh

<syntheticbird> @routingerror:metropolis.nexus: WG ?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> WORKGROUP

<syntheticbird> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: THANKS

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> but no, this isnt the place for bitcoin discussions

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> offtopic is

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> if its a question about monero vs btc, then monero room is

<routingerror:metropolis.nexus> Well coldcard hack just proved you can ahhh > <nioc> the thing is you won't lose your wealth

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> workgroup is for "work"

<syntheticbird> I swear If I had perms > <@routingerror:metropolis.nexus> Don't kick me just here to learn

<syntheticbird> you know

<syntheticbird> its community channel

<syntheticbird> whenever im mod im opened to bribery

<syntheticbird> your money is welcome to my belly

<syntheticbird> and if you aren't dizzy that means you are happy

<syntheticbird> ad out

<routingerror:metropolis.nexus> Is mining monero "profitable" even in XMR terms?

<syntheticbird> #monero:monero.social

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> You don’t mine Monero to get profit but to contribute to the network and to the community

<routingerror:metropolis.nexus> @slowbeardigger:matrix.org: I think it has a physical limit coz of per unit energy requirements

<ollerhahayes:matrix.org> is downloading the xmr gui on my regular search engine with a vpn less private then if I download it using tor with a vpn on?

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> Or tor or vpn

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> Using both is not safe/private

<ollerhahayes:matrix.org> so then how should I go about downloading it

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> Or tor

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> Or vpn

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> Not both

<ollerhahayes:matrix.org> oh

<ollerhahayes:matrix.org> ok

<ollerhahayes:matrix.org> though using both would be safe

remind me why using vpn and tor together is bad

<horizon-foundry:matrix.org> I was thinking the same question.

I know it is bad to some extent but was not paying attention when it was explained

a search yields many parroting to use both, probably to get your referral to a vpn

the answer as always is, it depends

if you have a use case to use both then which vpn you use matters

<ollerhahayes:matrix.org> My xmr gui is not verifiying any Daemon blocks for some reason

<ollerhahayes:matrix.org> well i use proton vpn

<syntheticbird> -> #monero:monero.social