<n​eosavage:matrix.org> youtube.com/watch?v=7bhQNgVoeq8

<n​eosavage:matrix.org> very interesting conversation

Neosavage are you running basicswap

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/KQpUQGSJMuYzwkOmTSygcthK

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> Let’s get Monero on Spedn.

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> help.flexa.network/en/articles/6792…cies-are-supported-by-the-spedn-app

jordan_sanchez: is SPEDN open source?

if not, i am not sure if there would be much inclination by this community

Also, would want to know what the Flexa ID is about, as it's not clear.

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> No, lol.

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> But Zcash is on there, so we’ve got to do our part to reclaim our market share.

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> It might be but I don’t think so, it seems proprietary because mainstream places like Baskin Robins, Regal, and Chipotle take it, so I imagine there’s fiat-ism in it somehow.

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> video_90dda51.mp4

You need SPEDN to pay in these stores?

As opposed to any other wallet?

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> (Not promoting Zcash, I’m just showing what we’re competing against)

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> Yes, unfortunately SPEDN acts as an intermediary but the KYC/AML metric is super basic.

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> Honestly, I think you could just make a fake name, and birth day to use it.

Why don't you email them and ask them to add Monero and see what happens.

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> I did.

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/snCEDyROPXVsVjeyiOgxOVrX

I wonder if alternatively you could integrate the Flexa model into some existing Monero apps

Sort of like how Monerujo does their altchain spends using a swapping service

Maybe someone like Cake, Cypherstack, or Edge could look into this

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> I imagine it’s possible.

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> It would be interesting to see what’s possible.

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> For me, adoption is adoption.

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> I get some are privacy junkies to the max, for me personally I’m willing to take the bullet for monero.

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> @midipoet, here’s more information about it.

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> It sounds like any wallet can integrate this.

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> youtu.be/XaXbl-og23o

<i​ntr:envs.net> What's the largest bottleneck when it comes to node sync speed? Block verification?

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> I believe this may have the metrics.

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> I found out about this app literally today so I haven’t researched it in depth.

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> app.flexa.network

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Yes, the blocks are verified sequentially (though older parts of the history are sped up by using known hashes as reference). On the hardware side, the biggest limitation is disk random iops, so you want to store the chain on a nice ssd at least for the initial sync

<i​ntr:envs.net> >older parts of the history are sped up by using known hashes as reference

<i​ntr:envs.net> that explains a lot

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Once you're caught up you can move it to an hdd if you want, and it should be able to stay up to date just fine

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Well, that and also the fact that the beginning of the chain had a lot fewer transactions. Monero chain activity gets much higher later on

<i​ntr:envs.net> I'm using an nvme ssd (samsung evo 970), so it should be fine there

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Combined with the increasing ringsize, that means a lot more random data to fetch

<i​ntr:envs.net> yeah, that makes sense of course

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Yeah, nvme is great

<i​ntr:envs.net> what's the generally accepted full sync time? around 2 days?

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> iirc some have managed <12? <6? hours

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> but that takes a beefy cpu as well

<i​ntr:envs.net> how the fuck

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> I don't recall exactly, unfortunately

<i​ntr:envs.net> i wonder if the cpu plays a big role too

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> It should be somewhere here or in #monero:monero.social , but good luck searching for matrix messages :/

<i​ntr:envs.net> yeah it's a pain

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Well, block POW hashes are also checked, so a better cpu would definitely help speed up that part too

<i​ntr:envs.net> hardware is not exactly my strong suit, it's an SBC with a rockchip RK3588

<i​ntr:envs.net> which does have hardware AES

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> That helps

<i​ntr:envs.net> it's suspiciously cool as well, ~43°C

<i​ntr:envs.net> perhaps there's a multithreading option I'm not using

You can search IRC logs and matrix messages make it there

<n​eosavage:matrix.org> nope

<i​ntr:envs.net> I got it, ty

monero.social down again?

Looks like its back again again again

Went sown a couple hrs ago too

<t​obtoht:monero.social> yep, seems back

Rip again

Plowsof

Is the server under attack/ddos?

is Monero.social getting ddossed or something?

2 days in a row

I think it must be

It goes down messily too. I can get SOME messages through while its falling, so its not like it dies all at once. It starts dying first

Yeah, it go on and off. Then now it's off since a while for me.

Its on strike

Asked for an update on the matrix server situation

<j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> I know of them doing some very dodgy shit

<j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> they are not mentioned in monerica.com which further enforces my belief

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Not nice how Element offers me with a very big button to remove browser storage and probably nuke any personal conversations by doing so because all keys get lost, just because it can't connect to its home server

<r​brunner7:monero.social> "Currently we can't connect to any Monero daemon, would you like to delete all your wallets?"

😭😭🤣

good idea for PR for monero gui. Im on it! 😂

<s​nowman:tetaneutral.net> Is Monero intended to be a normie money to use at baskin robbins

<s​nowman:tetaneutral.net> I like using it for digital only payments that I need privacy for. I use cash at baskin robbins so the government doesn’t know what combination of toppings I prefer

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> Trust me, they already know regardless of what payment method you use.

<s​gp_:monero.social> have you used SPEDN? It seems like a mostly dead project to me, afaict

<s​gp_:monero.social> custodial, can't withdraw crypto you put in, requires at least some verification info, max $750 spending limit per week. It's a sort of odd project

<s​gp_:monero.social> their support pages say they custody the crypto at Gemini, so since they don't support Monero, I'm doubtful Flexa/SPEDN will support Monero

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> If you actually want it to succeed long-term, the answer is yes

sgp_: in theory you might be able to have a semi- seamless two step spend with (for example) Monerujo integreated with SPEDN. XMR > LTC > SPEDN> Baskin Robins. Whether that's an improvement though, I am not so certain.

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Isnt that what cakepay is/was for

<s​gp_:monero.social> yeah that's basically cake pay, minus the conversion to ltc. XMR on-chain payment to gift card seller

<s​gp_:monero.social> same with coincards too

Then it's not an improvement, and the conversation is completed!

<s​gp_:monero.social> more options would be good, but unfortunately I doubt flexa will budge

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> I acknowledge that there app is underwhelming in its current stage, I simply mention it because it’s a tool, and we should utilize as many tools as possible.

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> You out of anyone here should realize how important it is to build bridges between fiat, and crypto as an intermediary service.

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> Right now, we need middle-out.

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> And I’m assuming that’s what your project is to help formulate crypto regulation that is fair while stopping transactions that hurt businesses, and the image of crypto at large.

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> I don’t know about the rest of you but I actually want to use my crypto.

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> That’s why Monero needs to latch on early, & force industries, organizations, and institutions to negotiate with us.

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> If we can develop a significant market share within the crypto ecosystem then they are forced to accept privacy by default.

<o​frnxmr:agoradesk.com> Monero has more usage than ltc

<o​frnxmr:agoradesk.com> Second only to btc, and not for long, nor in every category

<o​frnxmr:agoradesk.com> bisq.markets/markets

<o​frnxmr:agoradesk.com> heres a public example of on chain adoption by real people

<a​non9843:matrix.org> What do you think about Nostr? Nostr is kind of like Activitypub but it is more extensible and even more decentralized. Most Nostr users are Bitcoin maxis because Nostr has support for the Lightning network built in. If Nostr could have Monero built in, then I think that would be a huge driver of Monero adoption. Nostr is also heavily promoted by Edward Snowden.

<o​frnxmr:agoradesk.com> The thing seth points out about nostr, is that it is anything but private

<a​non9843:matrix.org> You can do encrypted chats with Nostr. But Matrix is not private either.

<j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> I have reason to believe majesticbank.sc are selective scammers

<o​frnxmr:agoradesk.com> Why do you say that?

<o​frnxmr:agoradesk.com> You came the other day to ask about them, didnt you? Now you have definitive proof?

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> I think the fundamental issue of social media isn’t being solved properly, and while I hope the Monero community does develop tools for social media.

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> I don’t think any viable social media platform should be developed around one thing.

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> We are free to discuss social media development in off topic.

<o​frnxmr:agoradesk.com> There is a monero related social media project

<j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> they lie about their exchange rates

<o​frnxmr:agoradesk.com> Mitra

<o​frnxmr:agoradesk.com> By silverpill

<o​frnxmr:agoradesk.com> Mastodon for xmr

<j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> they also have been known to manipulate opinions on reddit

<o​frnxmr:agoradesk.com> matrix.to/#/!ZdVDBBouJUyQVsewKn:mon…om&via=matrix.org&via=monero.social

<o​frnxmr:agoradesk.com> violent rhetoric you need proof

<a​non9843:matrix.org> Nostr used public private keypairs, which is why so many bitcoin maxis love it. I am saying that it would only be natural for monero to get involved with Nostr, and I see that as a way for Monero to grow.

<j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> I have spoken to one of their main dev

<a​non9843:matrix.org> Nostr uses public private keypairs, which is why so many bitcoin maxis love it. I am saying that it would only be natural for monero to get involved with Nostr, and I see that as a way for Monero to grow.

<o​frnxmr:agoradesk.com> anon9843 this one is for you ans jordan_sanchez

<s​gp_:monero.social> In my view, nostr has several major fundamental issues:

<s​gp_:monero.social> 1. It's not differentiated enough compared to Mastodon and friends. This has the support of most people, companies, etc.

<s​gp_:monero.social> 2. It's really not private. Encrypted messages make no sense to me when Signal exists.

<s​gp_:monero.social> 3. It has a major Bitcoin problem. No one else will be inspired to join if it's a community almost exclusively for Bitcoiners.

<s​gp_:monero.social> And that's not even getting into some more techy-type gripes

<j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> they have been invol]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> I agree with Justin’s statement on the matter of social media.

<j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> they have been involved in multiple weird instances, something just doesn't add up

<j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/wxrswa…ic_bank_appears_to_be_exit_scamming

<o​frnxmr:agoradesk.com> Majestic has been accused on and off, of bad behavior for years. You need to make a swap and then show that you had issues, otherwise its your word vs theirs, isnt it?

<j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> I even read somewhere that they had ties to the Russian government

<o​frnxmr:agoradesk.com> i read before that ofrnxmr has an agenda and works for vik

Share the link?

<o​frnxmr:agoradesk.com> Lots of things on the internet. Cant believe all of them

<j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> yeah that one might be far fetche

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> OfRnXmr is the Russian hacker known as 4 Chan

<o​frnxmr:agoradesk.com> I read before that majestic was a mafia from canada

<o​frnxmr:agoradesk.com> i read they were a carel from mexico

<o​frnxmr:agoradesk.com> i read they were script kiddies in moms basement

b4 there was the internet there was "don't believe everything you read"

<j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> I wouldn't be surprised if they were criminals

<j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> mister mind...

I only believe wikipedia, the one true source

we are all criminals

<o​frnxmr:agoradesk.com> Binance wrote some words in a message to the monero ceo

<j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> thats one of the usernames

<o​frnxmr:agoradesk.com> i think think is develoving into #monero-tinfoil

<a​non9843:matrix.org> For noobs just looking at features, Nostr is not different from Mastodon. However, in the backend, Nostr is the first real solution to the "dictator" problem of social medias. With Twitter, you have Musk as the one main dicatator. With Mastodon, you have a bunch of little dictators controlling each instance. There is nothing stopping the biggest Mastodon instances from defederatin<clipped message>

<a​non9843:matrix.org> g and saying that you must use their proprietary client to connect to them. Nostr is the first real solution to this problem.

<a​non9843:matrix.org> If you have ever set up a TOR service, Nostr works much more similarly to TOR than to Mastodon. You own your own digital identity whereas with Mastodon the instance owner owns your identity. If you only care about what features are visible to the end user, then you might as well be promoting Bitcoin because the average person doesn't directly see the privacy features of Monero.

<a​non9843:matrix.org> Because your Nostr identity is tied to a keypair, it naturally attracts crypto bros. Bitcoin has only taken over Nostr because it is the most popular crypto, and thus has the most cryptobros. There is nothing stopping some dev from adding Monero support and now Monero bros would flood in.

<s​gp_:monero.social> relays become the new dictators, it just moves the problem

<s​gp_:monero.social> s/mastodon server/nostr relays, imo

<a​non9843:matrix.org> You can easily switch relays

I heard monerica is involved in some shady stuff too (thats why its not listed on getmonero)

<o​frnxmr:agoradesk.com> Liez

<a​non9843:matrix.org> You can't just drop your Mastodon instance, as you drop your identity

<j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> no its very real

<o​frnxmr:agoradesk.com> Its not listed bcuz deploys take 3 mnths

<j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> majesstic bank are selective scammers

<o​frnxmr:agoradesk.com> Majestic never had a bad swap through trocador

<o​frnxmr:agoradesk.com> (when they were listed)

<o​frnxmr:agoradesk.com> I only use centralized services that i can trust. Majestic doesnt like ofrnxmr, so notofrnxmr doesnt support majestic via fees #solidarity

<o​frnxmr:agoradesk.com> I use trocador.app and trust them to keep their partners honest

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> I think social media development is a waste of Monero resources, time, developers, etc.

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> We need to focus on creating robust, and friendly tools for adoption.

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> Make a use case for normal business to accept monero then work outwards from there.

<o​frnxmr:agoradesk.com> hey, well mitra is already done

<o​frnxmr:agoradesk.com> People can use it if they please

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> Please link

<o​frnxmr:agoradesk.com> matrix.to/#/!ZdVDBBouJUyQVsewKn:mon…om&via=matrix.org&via=monero.social

<o​frnxmr:agoradesk.com> Theres 2 links there, one to the codebase, and another to an already running instance

<a​non9843:matrix.org> What if your business depends on social media? What if you are an influencer and you want to sell merchendise? Having a payment system built into social media would drive adoption. Or if you a charity and you want to accept donations and you advertise on social media? Social media is a tool for adoption.

<a​non9843:matrix.org> Even just seeing the "Pay with Monero" button will help normalize it, even if people don't use it.

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> Yes but we would need a social media that is focused on becoming a competitor against Facebook, Twitter, instagram, etc.

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> Not a Larpy 50 instances fediverse tech nerd that only fringe programmers use.

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> Hate to say it but a successful business model for social media is proprietary, & engages in data collection.

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> I have often pondered the solution to the social media problem unfortunately, I don’t have the resources at the moment to make a viable solution.

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> So I am focusing on businesses models that I am more likely to succeed in then expand outwards once I’m at that point.

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> Hate to say it but Gab, Mastodon, Nostr, Panquake, Minds don’t solve the social media problem.

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> Are they cool yes, are they the solution, no.

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> I support them wholeheartedly, and I hope they grow and develop but I just don’t see it.

<o​frnxmr:agoradesk.com> Need a problem first

<o​frnxmr:agoradesk.com> Solution in search of problems

<j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…iberty.org/lDDHssrvclAUZdmXUcxvLlui

<j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> notofrnxmr:

<a​non9843:matrix.org> Linux doesn't have an obvious business model but it is the most successful software in the world

<o​frnxmr:agoradesk.com> "7 months ago"

<o​frnxmr:agoradesk.com> That would be very, very selective

<a​non9843:matrix.org> People still remember Edward Snowden fondly. However they don't know that he still is active because he mostly uses Nostr. Once people remember Snowden, they will remember that they care about their privacy.

<o​frnxmr:agoradesk.com> And very generous of the person to just forget about the funds

<o​frnxmr:agoradesk.com> I remember him as the guy who flopped on monerotalk

<o​frnxmr:agoradesk.com> Shilled zec

<o​frnxmr:agoradesk.com> And was revealed to be a trusted setup signer

<a​non9843:matrix.org> People care about their privacy. Remember the talks about banning TikTok? People just have no idea how to get it back. People want Monero and Nostr but they don't know it.

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> The CEO of Monero should buy TikTok.

<a​non9843:matrix.org> lol

<o​frnxmr:agoradesk.com> People dont know what they care about

ofrnxmr: are you unbanned again?

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Even being on topic

<o​frnxmr:agoradesk.com> Theyll buy nostr and btc if it has "private" written in sharpie in an nft

midipoet nah, im still 50:50

<e​laryan:hackliberty.org> Pet rocks are nice. They don't eat much.

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Not ofrn from the nick

<a​non9843:matrix.org> I just think that 5% more public knowledge of technology would be the tipping point where people actually take a stand about not selling their souls to the NSA or Zuccerberg. 5% is not that much to ask for.

<a​non9843:matrix.org> Especially if you say that it is more "cybersecure"

<o​frnxmr:agoradesk.com> I think if knowledge was such a simple concept, the world would be a good place

<o​frnxmr:agoradesk.com> People dont do whats right, they do what is normal

<o​frnxmr:agoradesk.com> People dont know what is right until they are told

<e​laryan:hackliberty.org> He is still CIA, he's a spook.

<a​non9843:matrix.org> It took nearly a century between when we found out that tobacco smoking causes cancer and when people actually started being critical of cigarretes. But it still happened. We just have to keep fighting for privacy until the public cares; it will happen eventually.

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> I disagree, I think when a person is detoxed from modern life they get realigned to the natural order.

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> However, in the modern society we have engaged in patterns, & behaviors that alter that natural code.

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> It’s like a corrupt node sharing corrupt data to other nodes.

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> We must repair our codes, our nodes, & replicate good data.

<o​frnxmr:agoradesk.com> I highly disagree. What you think is a natural order, is a man made order

<a​non9843:matrix.org> It took centuries for people to start thinking the ball and chain slavery is wrong, but it still happened.

<o​frnxmr:agoradesk.com> (Joining offtopic)

<o​frnxmr:agoradesk.com> But is it wrong?

<o​frnxmr:agoradesk.com> No ball, no chain, still slaves and loving it

<a​non9843:matrix.org> We should probably go to offtopic

<o​frnxmr:agoradesk.com> ^

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> I’m replying to notofrnxmr in there right now.

<j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> sounds like you got they dick in your mouth

<j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> they are so dodgy

<j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> their inconsistency alone whether they scam or not should exclude them from being considered a good swapper

<o​frnxmr:agoradesk.com> See? Im notofrnxmr

<o​frnxmr:agoradesk.com> Supposedly ofrnxmr is a majestic hater

<o​frnxmr:agoradesk.com> But to be fair, youre the one on their nutz with 7 mth old news

<o​frnxmr:agoradesk.com> Show me a bad swap from today

<o​frnxmr:agoradesk.com> Or bring the person who lost their funds here

<o​frnxmr:agoradesk.com> And we'll get them back. Otherwise: noise

<j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> I know one of the devs speak to them

<j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> @mister mind on telegram or some shit