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<trasherdk:monero.social> Still links to/ recommend changelly 👎️
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<prancing389:matrix.org> I'll work exclusively for Monero when I can live on Monero for everything, my groceries, petrol, utilities, rent, etc. Until then I need fiat to survive and I don't have LocalMonero peeps to pay me cash where I live.
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<prancing389:matrix.org> chicken and egg problem.
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<trasherdk:monero.social> Yeah, with no off-ramp to cash, it's pretty useless.
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<shortwavesurfer2009:monero.social> I can do everything but ach with it. Mortgage, car payments, credit card payments, etc
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<shortwavesurfer2009:monero.social> Other than those, living on monero would be possible
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<prancing389:matrix.org> Send me the link to the site where you explain how to do all that. I guess I should also ask what country do you live in?
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<shortwavesurfer2009:monero.social> Coinsbee.com, US
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<trasherdk:monero.social> shortwavesurfer2009: That's cool. Around here you get thrown to jail and deported, if using crypto currency as payment. It's legal to "invest" on exchanges.
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<prancing389:matrix.org> This VISA cards aren't guaranteed to be accepted everywhere, have very short expiry dates, and totally compromise your OPSEC, all KYC bullshit. And good luck getting a refund if the card won't work. We still have a long way to go to have people accept Monero natively.
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<shortwavesurfer2009:monero.social> That is true
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<prancing389:matrix.org> Lots of giftcards for things I don't buy
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<prancing389:matrix.org> I am poor, I need food, housing, fuel, clothing. Best thing I've found is the Sam's club card that doesn't compromise OPSEC and can be used at WalMart.
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<shortwavesurfer2009:monero.social> I use the instacart gc to get my groceries and then pick them up when they are ready
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<shortwavesurfer2009:monero.social> And pay my phone bill too
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<prancing389:matrix.org> how to pay phone bill?
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<prancing389:matrix.org> with visa card?
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<shortwavesurfer2009:monero.social> Tmobile gc is on the list
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<prancing389:matrix.org> ahh
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<shortwavesurfer2009:monero.social> I think its only tmobile prepaid though, but since that is what i have its fine
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<shortwavesurfer2009:monero.social> Good question
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<prancing389:matrix.org> The only way I can think to buy gas at the pump is to get a mobile phone that supports NFC (near field communications), and use google, apple or samsung pay, which again compromises OPSEC with KYC requirements.
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<prancing389:matrix.org> and fill the mobile pay accounts with a monero purchased visa gift card, the Vanilla gift card sounds appropriate.
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<shortwavesurfer2009:monero.social> Ywah, that one would be difficult. I think for an exyta charge cake pay visa can be mailed to you
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<shortwavesurfer2009:monero.social> But its like 30mXMR more
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<ocean:matrix.thisisjoes.site> I had a good experience with
stealths.net
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<shortwavesurfer2009:monero.social> Ywah, that one would be difficult. I think for an extra charge cake pay visa can be mailed to you
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<prancing389:matrix.org> Same thing, just a virtual card, so the whole KYC rigamarole with filling mobile pay wallets like google pay
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<prancing389:matrix.org> If you bugout, you want to buy gas without any OPSEC compromises, and current solutions do not provide this ability, only choice is to cash up before you leave.
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<ocean:matrix.thisisjoes.site> oh you mean paying in person? yeh I didn't try that
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<prancing389:matrix.org> yep, only true anonymous purchase in person that I've had success with is the Sam's club card at WalMart.
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<prancing389:matrix.org> anyone that opts out of the forced CBDC system will become a fugitive and will be forced to live on the fringes of society. I'm ok with that if we get a few more ways to spend Monero to conduct the expenses of real life, not just internet life.
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<prancing389:matrix.org> Need to start researching countries not only friendly towards crypto, but they need to be very friendly towards all types of PRIVACY crypto like Monero.
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<prancing389:matrix.org> sell my house and move before the restrictions occur in the USA
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<ajs_:matrix.org> MoneroKon planning meeting today @ 17:00 UTC
agenda.monerokon.org
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<elaryan:hackliberty.org> They will chase you down. Nowhere to flee.
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<elaryan:hackliberty.org> Also the places where cash is popular are generally those where illiteracy is high.
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<elaryan:hackliberty.org> So it's a trade-off.
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<no_2:matrix.org> Particl's marketplace lets you offramp to cash and bullion.
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<no_2:matrix.org> I've bought quite a bit on there. And some of the localbitcoins sellers seem to have moved there now the main site has shut down.
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<no_2:matrix.org> I believe supporting direct XMR payments is on the near term roadmap, which will operate via BasicSwap DEX, so it's KYC all the way.
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<no_2:matrix.org> > <@trasherdk:monero.social> Yeah, with no off-ramp to cash, it's pretty useless.
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<no_2:matrix.org> Particl's marketplace lets you offramp to cash and bullion.
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<no_2:matrix.org> I've bought quite a bit on there. And some of the localbitcoins sellers seem to have moved there now the main site has shut down.
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<no_2:matrix.org> I believe supporting direct XMR payments is on the near term roadmap, which will operate via BasicSwap DEX, so it's KYC free all the way.
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<no_2:matrix.org> > <@trasherdk:monero.social> Yeah, with no off-ramp to cash, it's pretty useless.
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<no_2:matrix.org> Particl's marketplace lets you offramp to cash and bullion.
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<no_2:matrix.org> I've bought quite a bit on there. And some of the localbitcoins sellers seem to have moved there now the main site has shut down.
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<no_2:matrix.org> I believe supporting direct XMR payments is on the near term roadmap, which will operate via BasicSwap DEX, so it'll soon be KYC free all the way if paying in XMR.
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<prancing389:matrix.org> I'd take illiteracy over tyranny, any day of the week.
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<elaryan:hackliberty.org> Given enough money, I'd say any place is good and you can get it your way.
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<elaryan:hackliberty.org> Like for example no matter if poor or rich country, if you are richer than most you can just get someone to do the groceries for you.
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<elaryan:hackliberty.org> In a rich country you will take advantage of nice infrastructure and quality standards.
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<elaryan:hackliberty.org> In a poor country you will take advantage of higher income.
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<elaryan:hackliberty.org> Trade-offs all around.
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<elaryan:hackliberty.org> What really matters, in my view, is how many allies you've gathered around you.
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<jordan_sanchez:matrix.org> For Monero to be successful we just need to start gifting/tipping people in it.
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<jordan_sanchez:matrix.org> And offer fiat swaps for them, get their toes wet, get them comfortable.
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<jordan_sanchez:matrix.org> Unfortunately, that requires fiat liquidity.
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<testa:cthd.icu> that’s actually a great idea
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<testa:cthd.icu> I’ll just offer to tip waiters in monero from now on, and give them a free verbal tutorial on what it is and how to use it
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<jordan_sanchez:matrix.org> Just be nice, get known to the business, tip part fiat, part monero.
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<jordan_sanchez:matrix.org> Most people are like baby monkeys walking into a water pool.
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<jordan_sanchez:matrix.org> You need to guide them gently because they’re dumb, & emotional.
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<jordan_sanchez:matrix.org> You need to go to a place maybe like 5 to 10 times consistently before you can even ask the Monero/Bitcoin question.
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<shortwavesurfer2009:monero.social> Just use one of those little business card type things that gives them a wallet and directs them to download cake wallet and learn more.
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<shortwavesurfer2009:monero.social> But give part monero, part fiat as well