<3​21bob321:monero.social> Forked

<3​21bob321:monero.social> ?

<j​igglejog:bitcoinist.org> yes. all instances have to fork for binaries to release

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> Does Haveno have a matrix server?

<x​mrfamily:matrix.org> yes

<x​mrfamily:matrix.org> matrix.to/#/#haveno:monero.social

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> Thanks!

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Nice post re: Haveno. monero.town/post/3138955

ccs.getmonero.org/ideas 2 new ideas

<a​js_:matrix.org> This is actually what I advocated for in Haveno

<a​js_:matrix.org> Let the market decide which network is the fittest

<a​js_:matrix.org> Different networks can compete on quality and fees

<a​js_:matrix.org> Networks would have an incentive to support Monero and Haveno development by donating to devs, ccs proposals

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> inevitably, the scammy / bad quality networks will fade out of view and leave room for the actually good ones

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> inevitably, the scammy / bad quality networks will fade out of view and leave room for the ones that are honest in the long run

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/dFVbDqjwiCynMDKuPZqdbFow

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> lol

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> alright

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> they want me to kyc

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> looks like the bridge is finally dead

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Rip

<3​21bob321:monero.social> client lock in

<3​21bob321:monero.social> use my client or gtfo

anarkiocrypto made a demo for this bounty (please scroll to the bottom comment area for details) but mentions 'if they can survive' they might finish it bounties.monero.social/posts/94/31-006m-nostr-client-for-monero

<c​trej:matrix.org> lmao. one empty proposal and the other is "I'll run a matrix room for 52k/year"

<m​onerobull:monero.social> can i get that money for existing

<m​onerobull:monero.social> amount: 100

<m​onerobull:monero.social> milestones:

<m​onerobull:monero.social> - name: Game Server and Client (already published)

<m​onerobull:monero.social> funds: 25

<m​onerobull:monero.social> done:

<m​onerobull:monero.social> status: unfinished

<m​onerobull:monero.social> - name: SW Robustness and ensuring the game Logic is %100 true

<m​onerobull:monero.social> funds: 25

<m​onerobull:monero.social> done:

<m​onerobull:monero.social> status: unfinished

<m​onerobull:monero.social> - name: Making game client robust (especially web version)

<m​onerobull:monero.social> lmao

<4​l4s70r:monero.social> $104,000 for being the mod of a matrix channel 😂

<m​onerobull:monero.social> withdrawal feature is the last milestone kek

<3

<4​l4s70r:monero.social> plowsof needs to ask for a pay raise

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> i would consider the "Hewwooo" proposal

monero core endorsed gambling site lets goooo

Although we did fund this repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/304

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Maybe that "Monero Poker CCS" proposal is a bit strange, but at least it makes sense - unlike some other stuff we had to deal with lately, IMHO ...

<3​21bob321:monero.social> merge?

<m​onerobull:monero.social> mokasino was foss

Github links to things included here repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…bc58c9532bb138873c1862059353c8_0_35

Info @ rohanrhu.github.io/pokerunicorn-website

<a​js_:matrix.org> Open Call for DJs, Bands, Comedians, Solo Musicians, Other Live Acts.. If you know any talented artists who might be open performing at MoneroKon, direct them to: et.monerokon.org

<s​omeoneelse495495:matrix.org> average chinese stakeholder behavior

<s​omeoneelse495495:matrix.org> (Discord is own by China just in case)

<c​omradeblin:matrix.org> 65/hour for that is INSANE. A junior solidity dev makes that much. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

<c​omradeblin:matrix.org> 65/hour for that is INSANE. A solidity dev makes that much. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

<c​omradeblin:matrix.org> Some make even less.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Yes. I think this CCS fall into the: "Accept then let community decide" type of proposal.

<s​needlewoods:monero.social> what got me confused about the p2p room proposal, is that Seraphis is listed as alternative to LocalMonero

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> Its a company based California, a bit far away from china

<c​trej:matrix.org> dont even remember it. Was the result used by anyone?

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/RAnvjdolWZWvhdusoShnsUdZ

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> Hey Everyone,

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> xenu and I are excited to present the script and visual storyboard for the animated explainer video in about Random X. Please have a look at attached PDF and let us know your comments.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I was referring to Tencent being a big stakeholder of Discord but after a quick research Tencent still hold a minority. So apologises for saying Discord is own by China, it's not the case, at least administratively.

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> Ah my bad, I didn't know that bit

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> allg

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I was referring to Tencent being a big stakeholder of Discord but after a quick research Tencent still hold a minority. So I apologise for saying Discord is own by China, it's not the case, at least administratively.

<x​mrfamily:matrix.org> There are already xmr poker sites I've played on them, there are 2 last I remember

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Are they open-source ?

<x​mrfamily:matrix.org> xmr.poker it's been a while since I played

you need many people on a pokersite to make it viable, like thousands of people "signed up"

rn xmr dot poker has no games running

it's not about making a site it's about getting the people there and people go where the people are

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> Hey Everyone,

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> xenu and I are excited to present the script and visual storyboard for the animated explainer video about Random X. Please have a look at attached PDF and let us know your comments.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Is the goal of this project to be viable? Afaik the proposer wanted to integrate *true randomness*

an additional issue with an anonymous poker site is to have controls in place to prevent colluding and for the players to be confident that those protections work

<c​trej:matrix.org> I mean if we already have a working implementation, why should we fund is second one. Its not like its critical infrastructure

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> tbf it's not like its asking for much 100 XMR. I bet the GF isn't going to invest into that. There is no bad either at merging a second one, is what I'm trying to say

<x​mrfamily:matrix.org> There are also on the onions 🌰

<x​mrfamily:matrix.org> > <@ctrej:matrix.org> I mean if we already have a working implementation, why should we fund is second one. Its not like its critical infrastructure

<x​mrfamily:matrix.org> They are also on the onions 🌰

when main

upon inspection

xmr / btc and xmr / eth pairs on markets are down almost by 50% according to CMC stats and based on historical stats

currently tradeogre is #1 for xmr / btc behind kraken and we are somewhere around there

most of trading is now related to xmr / usdt but with still high buy tendency which is very good

I also took deep dive on source of basicswap on github, the source posted is not the actualy DEX code

fast-track listing of them was maybe a mistake, it's not easy to prove are they dex or not, but they are not

open-source at this point as I checked commit network code many times and also their code (basicswap)

on github is currently not functional

also xmr markets volume is going a bit down from march, past month is #2 worst since start of 2023

there was 3 months only since start of 2023 when volume was on this level

will reflect my findings on github regarding listing / delisting

<p​lowsof:monero.social> Thanks majesticbank hm lets try to get a response from the basicswap (real) devs

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> ded

<a​js_:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/pzqMjkYZgVeHxXazttCMquTR

<a​js_:matrix.org> Translated conviction of Tornado Cash dev

<a​remor:matrix.org> Have you asked in the basic swap room?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> He apparently do not wish to

<a​remor:matrix.org> Ask clear questions like "please give me a link to the p2p code"

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> I made the following proposal. I am happy to discuss the proposal and answer any questions. repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/462

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> What hourly rate do you think is appropriate and how many hours a week should someone be available to manage the room and make sure trades go well? I looked for comparables before making the proposal. I thought $65 was appropriate for the skills and risks involved. For example plowsof rate is about $43 and this comes with more risks. Previous devs have requested about $65 but agai<clipped message>

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> n the proposed role comes with higher risks.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I would like to reiterate the same thing someone else notified. Seraphis is not a service, it's a new protocol for Monero. Completely unrelated to an exchange service

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> I am happy to take community feedback on-board, but also there is a certain amount of risk that comes with the role that I hope people can appreciate.

Why

Whoops

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> Yes saw the comment above. I think it is fair.

<o​cean:matrix.thisisjoes.site> you want 100 grand to be a matrix mod? or am I missing something

<s​ilverpill:poa.st> p2p code in the repo is not used.

<s​ilverpill:poa.st> But I found that their app sends orders to Particl node, I guess they are stored in Particl blockchain. Still doesnt make it "decentralized", it is a PoS chain and not much is known about coin distribution, staker count and other metrics.

<s​ilverpill:poa.st> Also let's not forget that Particl is a shitcoin that lost more than 99% of its value since ICO. I think this alone is sufficient reason to stay away from it. This coin shouldn't be associated with Monero

<c​omradeblin:matrix.org> What are the risks, please elaborate.

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> I actually meant Serai DEX rather than Seraphis

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> US courts may see it as an operating an unlicensed money transmitting business

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> See the recent Samourai case: justice.gov/usao-sdny/media/1349321/dl

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> Also Tornado Cash case: storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov…8/gov.uscourts.nysd.604938.53.0.pdf

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> Local Monero shut down

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> The Haveno developers did not want to operate Haveno

<c​omradeblin:matrix.org> Because if you are referring to the risk that you could get arrested for this. I would point out, that you made the proposal afterall. You considered the risk. The community shouldnt be the one compensating that part. You should consider whether its worth the risk to you or not. I would say, about 20-30 bucks an hour would be the “ideal” pay for this kind of job. Considering t<clipped message>

<c​omradeblin:matrix.org> hat we had devs in the past requesting less than this for their coding work.

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> I considered the risk when making the proposal. It did factor into the hourly rate

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> Thanks for sharing. I could not do it for $20-30 per hour. What about the number of hours. 15 per week was requested for management.

<c​trej:matrix.org> there are trading groups that are run by a bunch of traders, where everyone trades their time for the benefit of being able to trade. This is as decentralized as it gets

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> Can you link to some of them?

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> For Monero

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> It is for the management of a trading room for 2 years. There is more to the management than just being a mod.

What risks are there for an anonymous matrix mod

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> One slip up with OpSec and it could be an issue

We dont need one of you though, we'd need a team of people to handle disputes (without escrow or multisig, just a oen and paper with usernames)

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> I do not follow. Can you explain?

Your escrow system (none) will cause a lot of issues, i dont think you do what you propose alone / without help

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> Why do you think it cannot be bootstrapped alone?

You could fork haveno and remove the issues you claim it has (e.g. removing listing fee etc)

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> If more people are needed they could be added at a later date

You mention its bot viable ffor <$500 traders

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> I am confident I can manage the issues

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> I not claiming there are issues with Haveno. It is a bit undecided how the Haveno project will take form.

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> See the section from my proposal for why I think Matrix is a good solution for a P2P platform for low value trades

What happens when [people who dislike xmr / p2p freedom] spams your room with [pictures of happy cats] at 4am when you are asleep

1 troll could bring the whole operation down

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> I said "Haveno when launched will be a good P2P platform for buying and selling Monero. However you will need Monero to make a trade. This is because Monero will be required for the security deposit. As a result this means that a potential user with no Monero will need a good way of obtaining their first Monero. I anticipate the proposed P2P Matrix room would serve this function w<clipped message>

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> ell. Small trades could take place in the Matrix room (<$500 or equivalent) and larger trades could then take place on Haveno."

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> The user can be removed.

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> What would happen in this room if someone did the same?

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> How would 1 troll bring it down?

We have back end admins other mods / tools available

Our own infra and such

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> To be clear Haveno is not suitable for traders without Monero wanting to aquire Monero. This is because Monero is needed for a security deposit.

Fork it and remove the deposit

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> What would happen if at the opposite no one is coming in your room. It's a dead channel. Would you stay awake on a dead channel with no one on the horizon ? Seems weird to pay for hours at doing basically nothing in such case

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> The same could be set up in the proposed room if needed

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> Without the deposit where is the security. Haveno has no reputation system. In a Matrix room sellers would be able to develop their reputation.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Unrelated: #Haveno channel have seen a urge of alt/fake accounts joining from the bitcoinist.org instance. I've also been duplicated so @syntheticbird:bitcoinist.org is not my account

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I've not seen anyone else in the core team being duplicated yet

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> The word you are looking for seems to be "impersonated", sir.

What if someone started a kuno to pay their listing fee , or they could email.the arbitrator and "prove" their good reputation from other p2p groups) and ask to be listed for free... How much is the default listing fee even?

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> There are no fees to list

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> No trade fees

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> thx my dear rottenwheel.

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> The traders will not have any fees to pay to use the room

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> Anyone can post in the room to make an offer

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> Q. Will there be any trading fees?

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> A. No, there will be no trading fees.

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> Q. If there are no trading fees how will the room make money?

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> A. There are no plans for the room to make money. This proposal will however funds me for the time I dedicate to this project. This CCS proposal is intended to help bootstrap the idea. If approved once the funds have been used then I am open to the idea of making another CCS proposal or having some kind of donation address that happy users can donate to.

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> If the room is dead then I would not ask for payment for any room management as none would be needed. I have based the management fees on 15 hours a week. I think this is reasonable. I expect the room to be active. It will be an easy way for people to buy and sell Monero with no fees, from almost any device.

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> Requests for payment will be made only after each stage has been delivered. For example I would not request management a management payment until I have completed 390 hours worth of work.

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> 390 is 15 hours a week x 26 months (Half a year)

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> Therefore, I will be managing the room for 6 months prior to asking for payment for it's management.

<c​omradeblin:matrix.org> baldeagle2: this is YOUR choice that you want to make it or not. The community should NOT be asked to compensate you for your “could get caught” risk. If you dont want to do it, dont do it. If you do, then do

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> I do want to do it hence the proposal

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> The 'could get caught risk' means more care will need to be taken for OpSec

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> I anticipate the room would be of create benefit to the Monero community at a time more and more on and off ramps are closing.

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> We need easy ways to go into and out of Monero

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> comradeblin what are your thoughts on the proposal in general if you take price out of the equation?

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> baldeagle2: your table is wrong for Serai at the least.

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> Mobile friendly - No

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> When Serai will literally be integrated into Cake, which may be the leading Monero mobile wallet?

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> Also, Tor - Yes, when the Serai network won't run over Tor. Users may use UIs over Tor, so users may be protected by Tor, but that's the Serai / UI distinction which isn't represented properly here.

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> Thanks for the feedback will update the table.

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> Table updated

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> Also, doesn't Haveno handle fiat?

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> Er, sorry, ignore that

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> I misread something. Will have to double check what I misread and what it meant to read

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> Oh. Haveno is listed as requiring crypto. AFAIK, Haveno handles Fiat and can fully onboard people. Does Haveno always require some crypto bond, even for fiat swaps?

<w​oodser:monero.social> yeah there's a required security deposit in monero to make trades

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> I personally believe the money requested ridiculous and this being moved to funding an implicit endorsement. I don't believe we should so implicitly endorse.

agree

<3​21bob321:monero.social> I’m confused on stopping people stealing?

And riak being banned from the matrix room???

<3​21bob321:monero.social> So

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Join with diff account

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Doesnt seem trustless

pickachu face. There was a reddit thread iirc, some localmonero trader sought advice from a.top seller.. he was advosed to put "DNM" in his profile/title to boost searches... It was a trick and he got banned.. less competition.

People cheat when there's no money on the line. Sock accounts fuding each other will have a field.day

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> What do you find ridiculous? The $65 per hour? the 40 hours set up, or the 15 hours a week to manage the trades that take place on the room? Happy to take on feedback.

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> People that do not have Monero will need to obtain some before making trades on Haveno. There should be an easy way for someone with no Monero to obtain it with fiat.

but other crypto and swap

*buy

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> So should Monero only be available by going though another crypto first?

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> Having an easy way to obtain no KYC Monero with fiat directly is important for the community

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> Seriously what options are available now for people to buy Monero with fiat and avoid KYC?

<k​ayabanerve:monero.social> woodser: Ah. Thanks for clarifying. I didn't realize that deposit was always made by both parties even on crypto-fiat swaps

setup a service, take a fee, xxxx, profit

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> I am proposing a service with no fees

<k​ayabanerve:monero.social> $65 an hour (more than some of jberman's CCSs), 40 hours to setup, and the implicit endorsement are my issues.

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> > implicit endorsement

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> Do you mean from the CCS? As in legal risks?

<k​ayabanerve:monero.social> No. As in being a CCS project implies trustworthiness. This room should not be given any trustworthiness. It should earn all it has.

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> 40 hours to setup would be to create the documentation needed to ensure buyers and sellers stay safe when trading, know what to expect, what the trade flow will be, how to raise a dispute, etc

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> Thanks for explaining. No users need to trust myself. They need to trust their peer as it is a p2p room. Trust for sellers will be built from them developing their reputations

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> I agree trust should be earned

all services have a fee. Having a fee will give you incentive to grow the platform while the way you propose does not

<k​ayabanerve:monero.social> I said it was about the trust of the room.

.bbl

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> If the room is successful it will acquire 'trust' as a place for people to buy and sell Monero

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> But the buyers and seller (peers) chosen is where trust really needs to be assessed by traders

<k​ayabanerve:monero.social> The trust of the room refers to the trust the room is largely honest and successfully identifies honest peers.

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> Not all services have fees

<k​ayabanerve:monero.social> The CCS spawning this room implies a level of curation/endorsement by the Monero project which should not be implied.

<k​ayabanerve:monero.social> Yours does. It just is taken from the Monero community instead of the room explicit.

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> What is the difference between funding a P2P room or a dex like Haveno

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> No trust should be iimplied

<k​ayabanerve:monero.social> I generally would not call for funding DEXs.

<k​ayabanerve:monero.social> So I never stated a difference.

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> Agreed

<k​ayabanerve:monero.social> Also, DEXs generally make programmatic guarantees. This room has none.

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> Some DEXs :)

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> Haveno still needs to trust the arbitrators

<k​ayabanerve:monero.social> I spoke out against the BasicSwap proposal, but that was more the proposal than BasicSwap itself. I'd distinctly question a 'perfect' BasicSwap CCS. It'd need documentation of funding, clear expectations, sole sponsored focus on Monero, etc.

<k​ayabanerve:monero.social> And no Haveno arbitrators have been CCS funded, implying trust to them. I'd not support a CCS for you to be a Haveno arbitrator either.

<k​ayabanerve:monero.social> They were funded for a UI years ago. I didn't comment back then (as I wasn't as involved).

<k​ayabanerve:monero.social> Serai has no CCS funding.

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> Will it make money from trade fees?

<k​ayabanerve:monero.social> Haveno arbitrators I believe do. BasicSwap I believe doesn't. Serai is its own decentralized economy.

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> Funding is requested for this proposal to bootstrap an new way for people to buy and sell Monero with no fees and no KYC

<k​ayabanerve:monero.social> I don't support any proposals with that description ^

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> The community would benefit from fee free trades

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> No need for them to use another coin

<k​ayabanerve:monero.social> Monero should fund work with some degree of a track record IMO.

<k​ayabanerve:monero.social> Not start ups.

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> Ok, thanks for explaining your reasons

<k​ayabanerve:monero.social> I do hear this isn't a business start up. My comment stands.

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> I think anons should be able to complete work and be paid on their results rather than their experience which they do not want to disclose

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> Devs having reputation have a lot of positives but also a lot of negatives

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> I set up the payment for this proposal in a way that required no trust in myself as I am aware I am proposing it as an anon.

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> I trust the CCS to payout if the work is successfully completed. I think that is the way it should be

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> Too many proposals recently have requested up front payments for promises of delivery. This is not a good use of community funds. I set up this proposal to ensure any community funds would be well put to work and only paid out on delivery

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> Listing my experiences, while giving me more community 'kudos', would only serve to dox me

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> That is why I prefer to discuss this proposal on it's merits or lack of

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> I am confident I can get this proposal to that place, and for that reason I am happy to defer my payments until it has been achieved.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> someone really put the 🧙‍♂️ emoji

<k​ayabanerve:monero.social> Then make the CCS after establishing a successful room. That's my legitimate advice.

<4​rkal:monero.social> *plot twist* anon is ofrn

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> Fair advice but having an expectation of how my time for in advance also seems fair.

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> I think his proposals are more give me all the money upfront :)

<k​ayabanerve:monero.social> At this time, your time is not worth what you ask IMO. That, and the endorsement issues, to repeat myself, are why I'd vote no.

<k​ayabanerve:monero.social> I'm fine stepping out from here. Seems my opinion is well established.

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> Another issue is the repo.getmonero.org does it use CloudFare? Why cannot proposals not be created over Tor? CCS proposers should be able to create proposals over Tor. If I am misunderstanding please let me know.

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> Proposers should be able to contribute their ideas over Tor.

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> Users interested in commenting on a proposal should also be able to contribute their ideas over Tor.

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> @plowsof:matrix.org please can you comment on the use or not of CloudFare and comments about Tor

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> baldeagle2: why not make a danger temporary p2p chat room end-2-end encrypted for those with no monero but what to buy some but after few days those data get deleted by network and those user must run POW randomX of either haveno or monero or both

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> baldeagle2: why not make a danger temporary p2p chat room (in the client)end-2-end encrypted for those with no monero but what to buy some but after few days those data get deleted by network and those user must run POW randomX of either haveno or monero or both

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> baldeagle2: why not make a danger temporary p2p chat room (in the client)end-2-end encrypted for those with no monero but want to buy some monero but after few days those data get deleted by network and those user must run POW randomX of either haveno or monero or both

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> or matrix room or simpleX chat room is also good idea for small OTC with no kyc

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> but would it not be more UI/UX friendly if done within app and supported by network

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> it could truly replace localmonero/agoradesk

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> The proposal is for a Matrix room

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> Exactly, I think the Matrix UI/UX works well for some small OTC trades

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> Agreed, also much harder to take down than something like Local Monero

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> A temporary p2p chat room does not allow buyers and seller to accumulate reputation.

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> Sometimes the simplest solutions are the best

<a​xmasta:matrix.org> On paper sure

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> yea on paper lol

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Yolo trusting a random

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> if anyone's interested in trying out Haveno DEX (for fiat -> XMR transactions) feel free to check out my tutorial on it blog.nihilism.network/servers/haveno-client-f2f/index.html i tried to make it as noob friendly as i could.

Thanks, escaoethe3ra rottenwheel

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Could you update the download binaries link to this one? There's a newer build available. github.com/retoaccess1/haveno-reto/actions/runs/9081479642

escapethe3ra

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> crap, let me update that real quick

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> ok done

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> plowsof: can you post last meeting's log, close and then open an issue for this Saturday May 18th? My understanding is that there'll be a meeting this weekend, right? monero-project/meta #1002

thanks for push, just posted logs. what happened to bi-weekly meetings?

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> plowsof I wonder who helped you clean those logs... 😉

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> You tell us, you are the one running them. Thought next one would be on the 25th.

<c​trej:matrix.org> last week was the last meeting

Next meeting xmas day 25th monero-project/meta #1008 xxx

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Christmas in may

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> yrp

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> yep