<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> /u/XMR2020 RIP. Was wondering where he had been couple days ago.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> This is a pretty old image

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Not sure if they have been active since

<t​raca:matrix.org> Hi

<t​raca:matrix.org> I have a doubt that should never arise, but I am curious to know the answer:

<t​raca:matrix.org> Let's say I make a normal payment to an address, so the payment ends up in a stealth address, for example: 1661f32375b2a455dd2e8fa469ce2a042edeab0d2789f6324f3830d13c1f869c (picked up randomly from an explorer) and he spends the output, so nodes keep track of the keyimage to avoid double spending.

<t​raca:matrix.org> Now, I manually craft a transaction to end up paying to the same stealth address, when he tries to spend it will be the same keyimage. So in this case nodes will reject the tx since they will think he's trying to double spend. So my question is, if I manually craft a transaction to reuse a stealth address, he would see the funds but they would be unspendable right?

IIRC the wallet will not show it, or it will choose only the bigger of two inputs with the same stealth address

<t​raca:matrix.org> thanks

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> xmrscott: still no spam bro

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> x.com/Real__Glitch/status/1816074548212588886

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> i smell money

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> GIF:black-joe

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Im back🚩

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Didnt know they let scammers here nowadays, lol

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> I see what you're trying to do

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Can i jump on your boat for some quick cash?

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> i dont own anything lol

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> be my guest

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Aside from that

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> ofrnxmr[m]: your there mate?

Of course im here. Not on matrix tho

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> thats not his active account iirc

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> he should be banned from matrix

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Bro

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> I fuked myself fighting for three days full time on this server to defend your proposal

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Because you said your gonna fix the monero community and manage the Embezzlement of funds and that guy named luigi's corruption and tyranny

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> After a month or two, you made part two, now you promised to give us an easy to install/use functioning dex by modifying the Basicswap

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Then again we came here to fuk with everyone especially that m... Rottenwheel and his minions

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Again, months passed, nothing happened and all you did was trolling over the internet

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> worker demanding his pay from his master

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> How fuck did you expect people to pay 500k upfront

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> When you can't keep your promise?

"Again, months passed, nothing happened and all you did was trolling over the internet" you blame me for nothing happening?

Luigi closed 1 proposal and hasnt merged the second

"I fuked myself fighting for three days full time on this server to defend your proposal"<< i'm not sure if i recognize your handle, but thank you.

"How fuck did you expect people to pay 500k upfront" there was no 500k upfront payment and still isnt

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> I mean its obvious that no one trusts you and particle devs, because of how slow they are, if you guys were really genuine about basic swap, considering how big the project scope was

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> You guys could have started working on for a month or two to show your sincerity, and pushing up the project itself

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> I mean if you look at the technovert guys activity on github

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> That guy commits a single line every two months or so

<s​omeoneelse495495:matrix.org> Particle devs have been working on this project for at leasst 5 years

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Compare it to alternatives like haveno(solo dev)

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Serai, which founder is simultaneously working on monero, some cuprate? And serai itself

<s​omeoneelse495495:matrix.org> afai as I was told

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> afait*

"Because you said your gonna fix the monero community and manage the Embezzlement of funds and that guy named luigi's corruption and tyranny?" Luigi1111 closed the proposal and told diego to open one. Now diego and monerobull are hired to assist him. Lol 🫠

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Waay to slow

"You guys could have started working on for a month or two to show your sincerity, and pushing up the project itself" look back to february

<m​onerobull:monero.social> hello i am here for the community and website

<m​onerobull:monero.social> plowsof is responsible for the ccs

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> There is no way you can take 500k upfront with that kind of workflow

"That guy commits a single line every two months or so" tech did over 50 commits in a couple weeks working w me

<m​onerobull:monero.social> (i dont know what you guys are discussing)

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Your saying that same line since febrruary

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Is he the one who manages ccs merges?

no, luigi is

"There is no way you can take 500k upfront with that kind of workflow" < there is no, and never was anything close to a 500k upfront payment

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> plowsof is the CCS coordinator and Luigi represent core decision (as he is the only remaining member), in most of the case luigi agrees with plowsof but he can disagree and close a merge if he estimate it isn't beneficial

no ^

Luigi does whatever he wants

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> But the thing is, I'm pretty sure there are a lot of people waiting for proposals to get accepted, why are they holding it back?

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> They can ignore it without donating it if they dont like

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> How is this a community driven ecosystem

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Meetings is the community part as plowsof collect other opinions, concerns and arguments in favor or against a proposal

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> then he decide

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> then luigi decide

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> what if its beneficial but luigi think its not?

and those votes and opinions go ignored

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Im pretty sure most of the community were against diego as well

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Ofrns proposal has way more likes

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Depends on the proposal, if the proposal is likely to be funded by the general fund but is not beneficial, it will close it. If he isn't intending to use GF for that, he is more flexible at letting it open. This is what I understand

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> they didnt even vote for diego lol

both of my proposals had more likes and a better ratio

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Did ofrn asked for GF fund?

The generalfund doesnt get used for 99.9% of proposals

of course i expected 0xmr from generalfund

Theyve donated to fcmp and bp++ and almost nothing else for years

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> GF shall only ever fund direct monero-improving development

Not true

They funded diego for yrs :)

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> fcmp and bp++ are perfect examples of what they should fund imo

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> I talked about why the fuck binary fate is not giving us an update on GF

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Monerobull attacked and said no those are strategic reserves for nuclear war ahead of us and binary fate will know when to use it by himslef

Bf repays his credit card bill with gf

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i said dont fund crap with it

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Like missing funds right? Those did improve monero greatly

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> by the way where is BF right now?

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> we should remoev GF address till that guy reappear or replace it with new wallet address

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> by the way where is BF right now?

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> we should remove GF address till that guy reappear or replace it with new wallet address

we get transparency reports whenever bf has time

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> So you trust nobody which we have no info of him for a year than open source projects which we can escrow it?

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> we dont want any kind of clean design to occupy his time

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> just SS history

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> And what amazes me is people like monerobul

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> I know you hate ofrn but why are you against transparency?

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Ofc in case you are not related to BF...

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i am not against transparency, you are twisting my words

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> Yes I'll prepare one and publish soon.

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> BF, apr 27

Last one was march 2023

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> There should be some screenshots when people were complaining about GF and BF(not ofrn situation)

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> And you jumped it to defend him by bringing up strategic reserves and stuff like that

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> I mean FCMP ++ does secure us against quantum attacks to some extent right?

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> How much did GF donate to that?

666xmr iirc

But gf took in like 10000xmr this yr

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> People did donate huge amounts because of kayabas advertisements for FCMP, they took the money and waited until those people again gave away their last remaining moneros

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> After that GF filled up the remaining amount

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> People donated because they were really excited and worried about the project, they didn't expect this kind of shenanigans

Ohh, youre py_verse

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i legit dont get what you are talking about

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> GF should be transparent and also fund ultra important stuff like FCMPs but nothing else

I recognize you now. (on irc i only see your handle, not your name)

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Im remember someone sent the ss in this room few months ago when we were fighting for ofrn proposal

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> funding regular dev work should be done through the ccs, not with our only reserves

"fund ultra important stuff like FCMPs but nothing else" << so theyre just supposed to hoard 10k xmr?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> yes.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> a million is nothing

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> thorchain has a reserve of like 450 million

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Did gf donate to havenodex?

A million that was in like 2 weeks

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i hope not?

i dont remember if haveno had GF donations

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> I can see some patterns here

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> ?

Gf was going to buy monero.com 💀

And even offered to refund the $

I'm not paying gf should pay for random ccs or even fund dev ccs. But gf didnt even fund devs during the hack

Devs were left out to dry for 4 months

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Monerobul, rotten, that synthesize or something cat pic profile and some trolls

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Were blocking your proposal and force rushed the haveno so they could justify blocking your proposal forever, thats why haveno rushed its V1 release full of bugs

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> what

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> haveno didnt even have a ccs for the backen

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> haveno didnt even have a ccs for the backend

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> lol i remember that

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> only the erc scam frontend

They technically did @mb

They called it a frontend ccs, but mentioned funding backend dev

"For this rate we will get 2 experienced frontend developers and a lead dev dedicated to Haveno"

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Sadly they won in the end...

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Haveno is def not the dex that's designed for mass adoption

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Hard to install and work with, not decentralized at all, bug spree release

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> We said lets fund basicswap(they did promise to deliver one click install gui for it)

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Opposition = no fuk monero, anything related to people i dont personally like is bad

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> "Community Driven"

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> haveno is a lot easier to use than bsx and i say that as a big bsx fan

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> and it is decentralized and hopefully will decentralize a lot more in the future

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Easy to use

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Says the technical gui

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> the what

"and it is decentralized and hopefully will decentralize a lot more in the future" << no it isnt more decentralized

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Even if it's shit, bear with it, as long as its not ofrn or people we dont like

It relies on arbitrators and seed nodes

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> > <@monerobull:matrix.org> haveno is a lot easier to use than bsx and i say that as a big bsx fan

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Easy to use

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Says the technical guy

<s​trawberry:monero.social> having tried both, haveno is way easier to use and less buggy

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Haveno is not decentralised lol

<s​trawberry:monero.social> I want bsx to work, and there's plenty time for it to improve, but dont be silly

"having tried both, haveno is way easier to use and less buggy" haveno does have better ux and is less buggy. Agreed

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Because they are blocking the fuking development of basicswap by force

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> haha

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> bsx has its own dev fee chain

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> it doesnt live or die with monero supporting it

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Using GF for haveno

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Not letting the community itself help basicswap or any other option

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Ofc haveno will be better than alpha project

"bsx has its own dev fee chain" No it doesnt

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> haveno is specific to fiat -> xmr onramps, not the case with basicswap

Haveno is for profit, bsx is not

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> I dont think someone prejudiced like you is a fitting person to be a mod

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> haveno is specific to fiat -> xmr onramps, not the case with basicswap . different tools for different goals

Particl has a dev fee, not bsx

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Monero is not going anywhere with sanctioning itself from the rest of the world

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> In basic swap situation, monero can easily attract liquidity from other blockchains

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> ad hominem

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> yea crypto -> xmr onramps are vital too, for sure

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> but serai will be better for that

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> MB talks about haveno will be good someday

serai is profit driven and uses wrapped xmr

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Ok, but bring us two senior devs who are ready to work full time on it for a year with the same rate and we will fund them

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> bsx still has a usecase but what exactly are we discussing here? ive seen the number 500k

what math are yall using

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Anything as long its not related to someone you dont like

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> no, haveno is usable right now

500k? Lol

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> the fuck are you talking about

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> ive pushed hard for BSX to hold talks at monerokon 23 and 24

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Serai has its own problems and its not a battle tested project

serai os a new blockchain 💀

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> I hope they make it fine, but its little far from that yet

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> im not driven by emotions most of the time

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i want whats best for monero

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> You were anti basicswap in both proposal wars who are you tricking?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> what basicswap proposal

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Maybe say few words against BF? Ofc if you're allowed...

mb didnt vote against basicswap

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Ofrnxmr proposal

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i believe i gave it an upvote, just didnt comment

I think mb thumbed up both proposals, maybe youre confusing mb with someone else

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> He did in matrix when you were banned

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> what

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> I remember clearly, it was me and someone else against mb, rottenwheel, syntheticbird which was trying starting to engage more on the cuprate at that time and make a proposal? And a few other trolls

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> They all did make a proposal after bashing ofrnr away and got funded

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Hate this mindset of "ow im going to ask for funds, lets downplay anyone in this specific period so people can fund mine too"

rottenwheel has had like 4 funded fundraisers in the last 3 months

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> And kayaba asked for a huge amount too

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> So it was so severe lol

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> my proposal was not planned at all, it's all geonics fault 🤣

mb upvoted my first ccs. I think you might be confusing mb with endor?

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> The worst part is, they are so small both role wise and project impact

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Like 10-20xmr right? I will fund you myself, why are you blocking the big ones?

Endor railed me for a cpl hrs calling me an exit scammer and didnt do anything to ban the "keepofrnbanned" spammers from polluting the room

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Nah the synthetic guy is friendly too now:)

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> You have way more trust in them

Synthetic was friendly _before_ my bans too. Idk what happened with him

Went sour on me when i wasnt looking

I'm gonna make some adjustments to both proposals and see what happens next

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> just wanted to note that monerobul being a mod and getting funded wasnt in the plan at all

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> geonic appeared from nowhere to oppose diego and shoved in monerobul by making a ccs for monerobul himself

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> people did vote for monerobul to oppose diego, in the end they both got funded with some unknown responsibilities and roles

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> and strangely, geonic Dissapeard after monerobulls position solidified and he is okay with diego now?

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> just wanted to note this

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> just wanted to note that monerobul being a mod and getting funded wasnt in the plan at all

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> geonic appeared from nowhere to oppose diego and shoved in monerobul by making a ccs for monerobul himself

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> people did vote for monerobul to oppose diego, in the end they both got funded with some unknown responsibilities and roles

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> and strangely, geonic Dissapeard after monerobulls position solidified and he is okay with diego now?

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> just wanted to note this:D

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Hungry .... Bro

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Fighting over leftovers

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> py_verse, avoid ridiculous accusations, you have no idea who is funding CCS and ignore discussions and efforts put by Cuprate members for the purpose of polarizing people around the *core is bad*

core is bad

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> yes core, not cuprate

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> but py_verse want to make people think we're greedy smh. ridiculous

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> cuprate's greedy*

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Monerobul was going to work for free at first

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Then they said well lets give him some incentive for his work to motivate him because diego asking for too much with the same tole and responsibility, it became 3xmr a month

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Then again they fought over diego and it became 10 dollar a month

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Another fight with diego and monerobul 10k a month lol

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Geonic, the magician

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> He does some weird magic

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> i guess he really deserve an oscar for it lol

Geonic had a fkn MOVIE marketing campaign merged

Super skem

10k upfront to simply submit his movie to festivals and pay to have it played in theaters

Iirc, he didnt accept the $ up front. He asked for it after. Didnt win any oscar obv. And the movie is being sold now, or something like that

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> I support the cuprate, none of the 2 core devs said anything about ofrn

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> It was about you bro

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Dont try to wash it away

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> You even pulled up some weird shenanigans like

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> "I talked with basicswap devs ofrnxmr mentioned in the PV/DM they said they dont know ehat ofrn was talking about"

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> I asked you multiple times to give us evidence and you said i cant share the chats because of some circumstances?

<n​ononynous:monero.social> Haveno is also a one click install, did you ever used it ?

Haveno-reto* is 1 click install

<n​ononynous:monero.social> And decentralization ≠ ddos resistance

Haveno, as in the ccs, never launched

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I don't remember you asking anything and I multiple time said that discussions was private since tecnovert asked me not to disclose it *yet* (it became never)

<n​ononynous:monero.social> Haveno is

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I don't remember you asking anything and I multiple time said that discussion was private since tecnovert asked me not to disclose it *yet* (it became never)

<n​ononynous:monero.social> But yes it's the reto's network

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> your the guy that complaining about some problem on working/installing haveno in haveno room on daily basis?

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> arent your the guy that complaining about some problem on working/installing haveno in haveno room on daily basis?

<n​ononynous:monero.social> I assume he will get the same problems with BSX too

<n​ononynous:monero.social> It's a binary you have to click and install

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Lol, i was the only guy beside the other dude pushing this agenda

"And decentralization ≠ ddos resistance" neither does havenos ability to ddos arbitrator/seed nodes

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> So you confirm what you did

<n​ononynous:monero.social> Youre talking about the first weeks where, yes, it was only code source

"I assume he will get the same problems with BSX too" what problems

Ddos?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> You did X => I disagree => I did, so you are entirely wrong.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> What a nice strawman argument right here

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> it's being worked on currently, the tor PoW ddos protection should be there for haveno release 1.0.10

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> it's on priority

<n​ononynous:monero.social> Idk, but if someone pains to build from source he will also pain to install bsx

tor pow cant be enforced

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Decentralized : retro made its own 1 click install because haveno itself didnt, and its the only available network

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Ddos resistance? It was down till 1.0.9 right?

"Idk, but if someone pains to build from source he will also pain to install bsx" i wrote a script that installs from source for you

<n​ononynous:monero.social> Im not on my computer to see changes

<n​ononynous:monero.social> Haveno haves binaries

<n​ononynous:monero.social> But not on lasts versions

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> no, it is being ddosed but you can still get through and connect

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> its just a little slower than without ddos

Haveno-reto does have binaries on latest version afaik

basicswap has no binaries yet

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> haveno with basic swap UI is all I ask

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Just admit it, i dont know how long this matrix room stores the messages but I'm sure they should be up there if not deleted

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> At least rottenwheel said fuck you straight forwardly to my face

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Who are trying to trick? 5yo kids?

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> yea they're relatively quick to get their binaries to the latest version usually

<n​ononynous:monero.social> 1.0.9 apparently

<n​ononynous:monero.social> github.com/retoaccess1/haveno-reto/activity

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> lol

"haveno with basic swap UI is all I ask" < basicswap ui needs a lot of work

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Your not getting any funds for your proposals if you change your words every five minutes

Its pretty but not easy to use

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> haveno with haveno ccs ui 😭

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ofrnxmr but its already way better than haveno ui one

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> it still alpha/beta idk but I like it

❤️

"At least rottenwheel said fuck you straight forwardly to my face" < py, who's this directed to?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> me

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> How much basicswap could progress if we had approved the proposal in the first week

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Just give an estimate

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Could you compare it to current haveno?

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Bird

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Bird TM

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> i want to get funded by ccs too

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> master geonic please create a random role for me too🥷

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> why ninja emoji at the end ?

We'd be 3 months in, and likely have most of the bugs fixes and a lot of the ui reworked. Without the bugs, it works very well

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> 15 mods

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Just join and don nothing, 16 mods now lol

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> have mods in 2 or 3 timezones instead of 15 in one timezone

The amm would have been integrated into gui and we'd have api's either done or in the works for webgui's and apps to hook into

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Nihilist [blog.nihilism.network] this is racist against america. Ban for racism. Thread locked

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Mods fighting non existing spams and bots will be sad bro dont say that

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> py woke up and chose violence

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> There are no mods active bro

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Its just monerobul these days

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Have you ever seen a scenario where they were really needed here?considering your an old member

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> monerobull I was going to write *feeling violent today aren't we*

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i have

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i have seen CSAM stay up in this very room for like 4 hours

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> thats why i wanted to be mod so bad

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> monerobull publicly admitting its to motivation to be mod in order to consume CSAM.

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> some spam sometimes that isn't cleaned up under 1-2 hours

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> it was sneaky as hell

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> the whole diego situation and spawning MB out of nowhere

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> he was looking for missing funds? where did the funds go now? did he found them?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> im kidding

<m​onerobull:monero.social> 💢

<m​onerobull:monero.social> you cant say shit like that lmao

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> yeah you're right sry

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> idk what's the requirement to be a matrix mod in monero.social, but i can help if needed, i'm already doing it for hackliberty.org lol

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> won't happen again

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> that could be a good project and experience for Dex world, both haveno and serai coul've benefit from it

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> instead of straight up blocking the competition by some people

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Where is that xmrscott guy?

<m​onerobull:monero.social> probably USA and asleep

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> BRO YOU HAVE BEEN ASKING WHERE IS SCOTT FIVE TIMES SINCE YESTERDAY

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> 17 mods now lol

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Can you see the history of other mods activities?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i doubt it

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> you cant or your not brave enouh

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> you cant or your not brave enough

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i have no idea if matrix has anything like that

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> monerobull matrix don't have anything like that

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> You have to parse the channel event chain yourself

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> there is no built-in tool

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Its interesting to see that you cant even work with a matrix server

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Dont get me wrong i think your the only active mod other than plowsof here

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> The situation was so bad that we were forced to pick up a clueless guy to make him a moderator when we have 15 mods available already

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> bro ive been one of the only mods on the subreddit for years

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> matrix was the last holdout, now i have become omnipresent 😳

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> and that rises a question

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> what did diego do in his first few days of moderation? pulse on a hole was it? the motto

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Spletting the GFs 50-50 with luigi lol

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> > <@real_glitch:matrix.org> and that rises a question

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> > what did diego do in his first few days of moderation? pulse on a hole was it? the motto

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Splitting the GFs 50-50 with luigi lol

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> can I be reddit mod ?

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> simple way to monitor moderation : have a mod private chatroom, where they post screenshots to justify each moderation action, and those that don't regularly post in there are just inactive, and to be removed from moderation altogether

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> (thats how i used to run a large gmod community with 10-20 mods lol)

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> is gmod still a thing ?

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> interesting thing is

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> no one can describe the exact roles and responsibilities of luigi

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> they dont know wtf he does

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> thats why diego's role was becoming luigis assistant if we cut out other bullshits

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> shadowexchange to confirm you're human please type: monerochan is the superior being.

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> so monerobul should play with himself alone in that room?

<s​hadowexchange:matrix.org> monerochan is the superior being.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Congrats you are now a proud member of the Monero community

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> fun fact

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> they merged the monerobul and diego proposal right now:D

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> i guess luigi is one of those that wont move untill you beat the shit out of him

<s​hadowexchange:matrix.org> Hi all, just wanted to let you know we have upgraded our exchange and that our new domain is shadowex.exchange, the old domain shadowex.network still works, it just redirects to our new domain, there was a fake website going around while we were down but its removed now, if any mods want to confirm this account is legitimate send an email on shadowex contact page

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> did you get ddosed too?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> rottenwheel?

<s​hadowexchange:matrix.org> No we were offline for a Month due to changing servers and our infastructure.

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> ok thanks for the heads up

<s​hadowexchange:matrix.org> No we were offline for a Month due to changing servers and our infrastructure.

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> plowsof:

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> make a list of unfinished discussions or things that needs a reminder and bring it up at the end of each workgroup meeting

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> let me give you few examples:

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> binary fate GF report

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> exact responsibility of diego? his exact role instead of something like "luigis assistant" which its a mystery itself

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> missing funds geonic was tracking

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> shadowex.exchange please try dm me on SyntheticBird (Matrix.org)

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Add ofrnxmr proposal

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Deny or approve it, dont hold it in stalemate

22/9 = stalemate in monero :D

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> And maybe weekly ping from mods to check if they are active/alive?

<m​onerobull:monero.social> im here every single day, if you ping me for activity i will go postal

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> good point

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> we dont even know if some of them are alive lol

@moneorbull are you there

Hourly pings needed

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Well that depends on their responsibility

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> I just want to know if they exist at all

<m​onerobull:monero.social> ill be the only mod left after 2 hours

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> i recommend doing a monthly checkup of which mods are active, if there's no moderation action in an entire month, consider them as inactive and get them off the staff roster

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> i recommend doing a monthly checkup of which mods are active, if there's no moderation action in an entire month, consider them as inactive and get them off the mod team

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> i bet half of those 15 mods were not active for at least past few months

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I think monerobull can't do that

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Admin can't kick admins

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> can diego do it?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> no either

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> they are basically shared owners of the channel

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> who is above owner?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> no one

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> when you define someone as Admin he has the most elevated privilege, same as the original owner

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> GG

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> did they define every single mod as admin straight from the start?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> So Admin have to go by themselves is what this imply

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> idk

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> There are mods but idk who has been chosed admin and why

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> why no one opposed to this fucked up model?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Because its not that bad and it's bridged to the official IRC channel

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> This is the first time people are questions the mod team lol

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Or core/luigi couldnt act like he owns the whole project

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> If you make another channel you have no guarantee IRC +O user will link it

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> if its made by itself and hard to fix yes

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> but when you break it intentionally and say well its not that bad, thats very bad bro

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> CCS maintainer, site repo maintainer, disperse CCS funds, manage and enforce moderation policies for IRC and matrix, keep comms with libera chat, maintain monero and monero-gui code

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> how many mods and admins are appointed in the whole monero server right now?

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> how many of them are active and who are they?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Yesterday was my first day?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> just sayin the infamous and woke CoC is still ready for merging in meta

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> you won't know which one are active, and which ones aren't without monitoring their moderation actions (kick / ban / mute, etc), at least on a monthly basis

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> 6 humans, 1 bot, a couple of alt accounts of said 6 humans. For Matrix

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Can you ask them for a single ping from both their main and alt accounts to get a rough estimation?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Sgp magic account certainly isn't active. But he can't demote because the server is defunct. It seems this room went back in time a bit. Bug? And repromoted both his accounts after he voluntarily demoted some time ago.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> This leaves charuto, me, Mt alt account, needmoney90 (who hasn't been around in a while), monerobull, and plowsof

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Yeah that's fucked up. I propose we nuke Monero entirely

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> as a maintainer and overseer

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> whats your plan to fix this problem? do you have any solution? or maybe server change?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> This leaves

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> @charutocafe:matrix.org, me, my alt account, needmoney90 (who hasn't been around in a while), monerobull, and plowsof

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> The problem of inactive mods?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> is it even a "problem"?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I can ask nm90 to log back in and demote himself.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Then that would leave one ghost, and the rest as active

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> do it

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> the problem of no is in the real admin position when everyone is admin so you cant demote/promote them

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> please

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Asking nm90 to demote leaves charuto and myself as admins

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> And the ghost

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> can charuto go wake up someday and nuke the whole server if he wanted?

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> can charuto guy wake up someday and nuke the whole server if he wanted?

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> as long as you have 1 admin and one other admin as a backup to keep access, that's the bare minimum you need admin-wise imo. moderators do not need to be admins as their goal is to just moderate the chatroom

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> if yes whats you solution to that? except the "oh shit,lets think of something now" way

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> i know its pain in the ass, but its good if we can have some backup plan at the very least right? thats why we paid to put a mod on here

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> maintainer and overseer i mean

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> thats the right way

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> idk why they gave everyone admin prev, 1 admin, rest mods

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I just reached out to him

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Right now there are 3 admins, 1 ghost, and 1 alt. I'll have my alt demote, I guess.

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Append this topic to the weekly list too plowsof @plowsof:matrix.org:

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Cleaning up the community mess

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> and when appointing new moderators (not admins right) pick ones that are actually active in discussions

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> So much blood. Is it what people call a revolution

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> lets say that ghost nuked the server

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> how long will it take to recover it? give a rough estimate if its hard to calculate

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> id like to keep my alt

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i use schildi for monero.social account and the grey-but-bright-grey ui is an eyesore

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> at most 2 hours because logs are already in monerologs.net and you just have to reconfigure the bridge bot

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Will members need to rejoin the server? What about admin, will he still be admin? And can we hold the exact same server address?

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Sorry im not that much of a pro when it comes to matrix

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Idk. Yes diego will probably be the one recreating the channel. I think its possible.

what happened

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> nothing, usual scheduled drama + cleaning up inactive admins

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> so your saying in case they try to nuke this and replace the server with the fake one?

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> some kind of targeted attack against the community huh?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> It's impossible replace a channel with a fake one

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> it's a blockchain

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> i knew its hard based on my high level abstraction of matrix protocol but is it really impossible?

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Cleaning up your mess

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Yes

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> its impossible

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> you'll had to take over the instance and start forking the channel

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> and even then its not guaranteed because channels are duplicated accross participating instances

"Asking nm90 to demote leaves charuto and myself as admins"<pretty sure plowsof was admin

And was demoted during the bug

Need to u ban ofrn. I was working on the rooms when i was banned :D lolx

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> well to be honest its a little bit of headache

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> but it works for now?

@diego

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> stop making moderators admins by default too, and regularly flush out the inactive moderators

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> diego if you unban ofrn

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> you will kill 99 percent of the server engagements:D

Unban me and see how fast til someone veto's you

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> stop making moderators admins by default too, and regularly flush out the inactive moderators (monthly review of their activity)

Mods arent admins by default

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> he was elected so that he controls the community including vetoing people right?

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> finger on community hole was it

Right

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> wait so diego can control ccs proposals right? merging, approving and disapproving

Nope

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Its only approving

Thats all luigi

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> A real question is who the fuck is owning gitlab frontend for god sake it hasn't been updated in years

Its enterprise edition. Costs $! Ha

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> (kind reminder that librejo.monerodevs.org is here to host your great monero project)

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> let me know if you need help updating gitlab, i've been doing it for years at my company lol

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> plowsof:

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> dark theme for gitlab frontend

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> to that list pls

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> i cant look at that white shiny hell

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> librejo.monerodevs.org

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> gitlab pushes updates very regularly, fast moving project

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> and yes i'm purposefully shilling my instance

I like to mix dark and light theme so I'm not sure if it's day or night

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> will you participate in the upcoming community workshop meeting?

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> or will you leave a comment and run away again for a month?

Syn, what are your thoughts on gitea vs forgejo

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Poor luigi. just saying funny things and then receiving passive agressive comments

Whered diego go

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> i mean for proposals

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> CCS gitlab repository has dark theme already, has had it for ages.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ofrnxmr my thought is that the two are exactly the same and honestly despite the soft-fork to hard-fork move I sense no difference, except for the community. Seems to be the usual inclusive open-minded oriented fork motivations

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> he spent his july quata

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> no way? really?

So do you think forgejo will survive the test of time? I heard gitea has some drama

Yeah, gitlab had dark theme. Set it in your settings

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> plot twist

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> luigi is diegos alt account

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> yes, forgejo is backing codeberg and is developing federation (with ActivityPub) so it's here to stay

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> what about getmonero?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> plot twist you are all illusions in my head

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Hm? I'm around.

Which getmonero? Www, repo, ccs

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> i think he talk about www

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> idk what the gitlab version is, but use this website to know what's the upgrade path : gitlab-com.gitlab.io/support/toolbox/upgrade-path/?current=15.0.1 to get to the latest release

Diego > the people say "unban ofrn" (and see if you get veto'd)

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Send a message at the exact time with luigi lol

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> main website

disclaimer: im one of those people

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> no one is saying that ofrn

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> rottenwheel can I have an autograph

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Well there is no point in keeping him banned when he can talk through relay and everyone is okay with it

🤨

Right, pyverse

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> his one piece character profile picture is scaring everyone py_verse

Amd engagement is probably 99% higher when im around

I dont have a profile pic on matrix

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> First time I hear of such exchange, hmm.

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> It's high because you're trying to get unbanned

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> If its done then i really cant find any topic to talk about😂

No

you pinged me

And big discussion started

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> same tbh but didnt wanted to slap his face when he came by himself to inform us:D

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> How has that experience been for you so far? HL crowd can be wild.

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> When is the next community workgroup

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> in two weeks, we have time to cause a blood bath

last meeting was 3hrs

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> your still trying to convince monerobul to switch from monero town? or you did shut up about it?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> get ready folks we have 10 days of drama ahead of us

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> just like with any community, you just need to know the community guidelines to enforce them effectively, not a big deal. but yea i'm active there too

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Gotta set my timer lol

we should place bets

if ofrn unbanned, how long til reversal

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> There is no way that he is going to switch just because someone as stupid as rottenwheel complained about it

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> And it works fine, i dont see the reason for migrating eather

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Wat.

shots fired

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Everyone is okay with it? 🤔

Um it doesnt work at all

I use tor.

it completely blocks tor

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Bring a single person beside yourself

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> You're complaining for a week all by yourself when everyone is using it fine

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> I'm not trying to convince him lol. I imported my lemmy settings and deleted my account there.

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> there are some problems with monero.town

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> but he is suggesting way worse alternatives

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> thats the real problem

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Mooooods!

im not advocating for a switch, but i am saying that monero.town doesnt work _at all_ over tor

Meaning, for me, it doesnt work _at all_

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Define way worse alternatives.

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> the federation word in lemmy is just like ai trend in silicon valley

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> its just an empty word

reddit will block your account for signing up over tor

monero.town won't even let you browse over tor

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> I didnt use lemmy but i guess the problem is, you dont have full control over your instance? Or something like that

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> if i want to say towns downsides

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> first one should be its ugly UI/UX tbh

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> it did ddosed and it was out of service for how long? few hours?

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> but can lemmy fix that issue? it has same Vulnerabilities iirc

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> it did ddosed and it was out of service for how long? few hours?

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> but can lemmy fix that issue? it has the same Vulnerabilities iirc

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> and the important part is, its a free service right? i dont thin MB gets paid for that? if he did, then we could complain about fingering the community hole like diego but im i dont think its okay to persist over free contribution

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Rottenwheel said there are better options out of kindness, he didnt force him, its just so that community can grow better and smoother

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Well i agree with being a free service so who am i to judge

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> At most he cant fork his own instance

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Its not like people listen to him

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Its not like people listen to his bullshits

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> kindness? him???

"Well i agree with being a free service so who am i to judge"< almost free

verifying acct via $ is a thing

don't have time to scroll thru the recent posts but this caught my eye <ofrnxmr>

The generalfund doesnt get used for 99.9% of proposals <<>> this isn't even close to true. The GF donates to dev and related proposals and it is easy to distinguish those as it is a certain % of the total. There is a reason the CCS bot was named after me :)

Just keep to the facts, you don't need to "embellish" to get your points across

.bbl

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> yeah but you can also just message me and ill approve you

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i just got that reddit fake comment ptsd

"The GF donates to dev and related proposals and it is easy to distinguish those as it is a certain % of the total" i was (i think i said as much) referring to recent years

And it hasnt donated to any ccs dev proposals since like 2021? 2022?

I should have said "99% in recent years", not "99.9% of proposals" :D

"Just keep to the facts"< i didnt do the math and we dont have a transparency report from the last 16 months

"There is a reason the CCS bot was named after me :)" << can you refresh my memory as to which proposals since jan 2022 had donations from gf? (bp++, fcmp, what else?)

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> That's false, like many of the things you say. GF donated to recent kayaba's proposal(s). Think the MRL fund one and maybe something else.

i literally listed fcmp, facepalm

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> You can check in the CCS proposals repository comments section.

And bp++

kayabas proposals = fcmp

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Well, those are 2-3 months ago, far closer than January 2022. Doh.

Things get funded too fast :((((

Monerokon 2022, selsta 2022 (once), seraphis koe (once), monerokon 2023, bp++ peer, bp sec proofs, rucknium statistical research, fcmp research

There are other ones >2 years ago not displaying there hm

+ holiday repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/219

Our workers union needs to see this. The GF subsidises holidays

Lolol

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> plowsof:

After 4 years working 7 days a week, 2 weeks will be subsidised*

Small print

"7 days a week, 3hrs a day"

Super fine print

no bullying the alumni, plowsof

Selsta has qualified for atleast 9 days by now

Selsta can take vacation while at the office

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> And some of those workers start working for others 😂

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> lol 2k view with not follower account, just though some injustice, called it out as the monero community member, they did promoted the monero name in their whole blockchain by themselves, 150 likes 70 reposts

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> i want to create a new CCS proposal

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> i will act as the "JESUS of MONERO" and help the weak and bring die hard members to our cult

real_glitchb, great initiative. I recommend creating a website first repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/60

nioCat told me about the church of monero, theres more.info somewhere else , funny

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> bro i got more engagement the project itself with 1 simple tweet

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> need someone to convert these fellow lost brothers to real monero believers

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> specially now that the blockchain(fantom in this case) that this project is lunched on, did slap them in the face by blocking them because their competitor had an insider helping them lol

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> someone should call untracble or schmidt guy im not the right guy for it with my broken english:D

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Call ofrnxmr

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Tell him to grab a few of them for ourselves

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> We need them in the upcoming workgroup war

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Or rotten will steal all of them

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Organic vote manipulation

<c​harutocafe:matrix.org> real_glitch: to answer your question, i couldn't nuke the whole server even if i wanted.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I remember that CoM debacle

<c​harutocafe:matrix.org> ah, CoM, that was a fun ride.

<c​harutocafe:matrix.org> he just completely disappeared afterwards

<c​harutocafe:matrix.org> i think most people misunderstood what it was about though.

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> i thought you were the ghost one, weren't you?

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> and what do you mean by i couldn't? morally or technically?

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> and what do you mean by i couldn't? moral wise or technically?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> The whole concept? Sure. But xeagu was, i think, just in need of money at that time in his life. So he wanted to make work for himself even if it meant stepping on the feet of his workgroup.

<n​ononynous:monero.social> antidark.net

<n​ononynous:monero.social> lol

<n​ononynous:monero.social> nslookup.io/domains/antidark.net/dns-records

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> At least my read was that it was more about money than power.

<n​ononynous:monero.social> Registered by DDoS guard like "HavenoMain"

<n​ononynous:monero.social> 🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂

<n​ononynous:monero.social> g66ol3eb5ujdckzqqfmjsbpdjufmjd5nsgd…lqd.onion/post/f060ad81ff7d256c5f95

i was present physically at a CoM ceremony, and to be honest it was pretty cool.

<n​ononynous:monero.social> " We want to express our gratitude to one of our core members who owns an exchange who loaned us the amount to execute the attack "

<n​ononynous:monero.social> I wonder who is the schyzo now lmao

<c​harutocafe:matrix.org> technically. i am not involved with the monero.social homeserver.

<c​harutocafe:matrix.org> my read was that it was a tax exemption scheme lol

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Cut the bullshit.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> What? Can we get paid for tweets? I'll do one for 10k without link and 25k with 🤑

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> > <@real_glitch:matrix.org> x.com/Real__Glitch/status/1816074548212588886

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> > i smell money

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> What? Can we get paid for tweets? I'll do one for 18k without link and 25k with 🤑

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> DataHoarder: could you bridge #monero-docs:monero.social to irc please when you have time? (#monero-docs is registered/set up ready to go)

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> ofrnxmr

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> as long as you bring Real verifiable people, its justified imo

Hello

that should be it plowsof

Thanks DH

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> The mods have been having an internal discussion that I have been mostly leading about the merits of unbanning you from Matrix.

What a waste of your time

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I am willing to spearhead a short time where this happens, but I will need a few things from you.

How about we go back to _why_ i was banned in the first place

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> 1. I'd like you to verbally commit to following Libera Chat network policies.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> libera.chat/policies

Im not playing "guilty" for no reason

I follow the rules

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> i mean ofrn did support you whenever he could

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> thats the least thing you can do lol

I wasnt banned for not following rules

And im only on libera now, not banned here.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> real_glitch: I'm literally doing that.

Like asking me to agree to drink a glass of water everyday. I already do that.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> believe me, it's been a controversial internal discussion, where I've been the sole voice that wants to give this a try

Again, go back to _why_ i was banned

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> ofrnxmr, even a snarky "yeah sure, I agree" would help here :P

Yeah, but why would i say that

That implies that i was banned for violations

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> ofrnxmr, because I'm asking you to as it would help things along.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> you can agree to it without admitting fault for the past

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> no implication here

If i break policies, ban me from libera

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I wasn't around for the initial ban, and honestly I don't really care about how, when, and why.

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> fuck ofrn just say yes or fuk off bro

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> wtf is that gay shit your pulling out?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I'm starting something clean here. Past aside.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Agree. Give me a non-ambiguous yes or this can't go further.

so when did it become an interview process to join monero.social matrix rooms

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> everyone are waiting for a simple yes

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> This is the only way can get the other mods to not reverse any actions. :)

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> people are waiting for a simple yes

Not a clean slate if i have to agree to things that i agreed to when i signed up.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> If you don't want to play ball, that's fine. You are free to do things your own way.

I don't want to play games at all

And this is games

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> It was an expression.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Alright, well, I've been fighting for you here.

Want me to verbally say "i agree to follow libera policies" < i feel like im in court with a plea deal. Im innocent, why would i make a plea deal

I'll say the same thing i wrote for rotten

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I've already said that verbally agreeing to following the policies does not mean admission of guilt. You can still hold you did nothing wrong.

not when im being held to a different standard than other ppl

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Diego ofrnxmr felt threatened, give him a forehead kiss to calm him down first

1. Understood

2. Understood

3. Understood

4. I have been actively doing so for some time and will continue to respect the intended usage of each matrix room, to respect my understanding of 1/2/3 and to therefore try to conduct myself within the reasonable expectations of my fellow monero-community members, which i assume to be in line with any code of conduct that we are operating under.

Heres what i wrote for rotten. Same thing

matrix.to/#/!bISEWdLkMDtVezWkga:mon…matrix.org&via=matrix.optoutpod.com

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> The verbal confirmation I'm requesting is directed to me, is not an admission of guilt, and is not an apology.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> If you do this, the current mods will not undo any action I take.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> If you'd rather not do this, that's your prerogative, and you can come tell me if/when you change your mind.

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> it seems like its wrapped up

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> but

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> innocent people constantly make plea deals

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> can we ask about which mods are against and which are in favor of this?

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> dont like this behind the door discussion thing you pulled out here as a "community manager" tbh

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> this problem got created because one of the mods did some unreasonable shit on his own in the first place right? without giving any valid reason

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> I want to know what plowsof and monerobull voted for

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> If they want to tell you, they will.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> im for unban

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> what if there wasnt any discussion?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> monerobull: has there been discussion?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> plowsof, has there been discussion?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> they went on for pages and pages

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> your not going to pull out the "trust me bro" card right?

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> people voted for you to decrease these "trust me" shenanigens in the first place(luigi was one of the core expamples)

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> so much that i seriously considered looking into the local LLM browser plugin from offtopic to summarize

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> correct, hence me asking for validation here from other people

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> btw you did say that we have 6 admins, how many mods do we have?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> 6 admins in Community

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I'd have to look through the other rooms. It's on my list.

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> there are no moderators in this room beside these admins?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Mods in Community (not Admins) include plowsof, monerobull, and banhammer

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> this banhammer guy is the one banned ofrnxmr right? or was it xmrscott?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> banhammer is a tool that can ban people in multiple rooms with access by certain people

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I know your next question

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> lol

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> every single mod from every single room of the server can use banhammer to ban people from the rooms that they dont manage?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> and I'm asking permission to share

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> It's my first couple days back in this position.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I could indeed come here and trample all over the way things have been done the past couple of years, but that would do a lot of harm

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> be patient, please. Baby steps. :)

"innocent people constantly make plea deals" < i go to trial

"this banhammer guy is the one banned ofrnxmr right? or was it xmrscott?" Scott using banhammer

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> and with significantly reduced power, might I add

"I could indeed come here and trample all over the way things have been done the past couple of years, but that would do a lot of harm" months

its only been 2024

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> in fact, if I came in here and kicked all other mods, and took control of all of the tools, etc, geonic would come in and rightfully call me out

"every single mod from every single room of the server can use banhammer to ban people from the rooms that they dont manage?" No, only some mods have ops with banhammer

"in fact, if I came in here and kicked all other mods, and took control of all of the tools, etc, geonic would come in and rightfully call me out" no, geonic told you to

Well he wouldn't if you banned him

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> i appreciate your work here, im really thankful

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> but i just want to say that your walking those baby steps in the wrong direction

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> idk why moderators of other rooms have a say in this matter when he is banned in workgroup room?

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> you could just call the guy who banned him xmrscott guy or whatever, he should tell his reason for banning him and just unban just this time and kick him out forever if he do something again

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> i dont know he the fuck is ofrnxmr, the problem is, this guy was yelling in X, librachar, even in douglas show tabout this matter for months, but i didnt see that scott guy for once, to come and talk about it

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> and now that we have new admin, he goes and talks behind the door with who knows moderators or some people to decide this?

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> again i really appreciate your work here, i was in your place and though ofrn acting pu*** i would've banned him immediately

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> but your walking in the wrong direction

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> just pull that so called mod out and ask him why the fuk did he use banhammer when he is not in charge of this room?

"he should tell his reason for banning him" says i threatened community members lives (lie)

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> just pull that so called mod out and ask him why the fuk did he use banhammer when he is not in charge of this room

he banned in in -beef when ruck invited me there

He banned me in -gui when plowsof unbanned me

Its called power tripping. Really that simple

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> i was in matrix since 8 months with different accounts

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> i didnt even see the guy your talking about, if he is not active, just demote him right now, if he is, im pretty sure he is not in this room, shouldnt he discuss with workgroups mods before banning active members?

hes in this room

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> either plowsof or that guy should get banned instead when they are fucking around with administration tools

plowsof didnt ban me

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> which is why we need someone to question the mods themselves instead of forcing this random guy to plead for his life

Plowsof UNBANNED me in another room

<0​xfffc:monero.social> Indefinite banning is not acceptable. What is that? Death sentence?

rotten* sentence

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> I talked with the scott guy a few times in the past

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> He is one of the most unreasonable and dumbest people I have ever talked to, 10Xrottenwheel

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> I didn't know he was a mod, i thought he was just a troll

+1

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> He doesnt talk in normal sentences, most of them are short straight up insults

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> You can search his name if it works in matrix idk

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> this is not a guy that should have any kind of influence in people-drama heavy topics imo

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> fuck drama, such a waste of time

In the rooms im _not_ banned in, does anyone have a problem with me not being banned?

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> I agree with you saying behind the door discussion is not a way to go

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> I don't see any kind of reason to oppose his unban

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Did he threaten anyone? Lets just put a bounty on his own head if does something like that again lol(if he did in the past...)

Haveno lounge, townforge, monerotopia, stressnet, feather, cake

"Did he threaten anyone?" < no

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> you dont have any kind of significance for people to notice you that much tbh

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> like a little ant in he ant hole

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> i dont know why they are making it so complicated

ridiculously comical statement

Real_glitch, you sais 8 months? 7 of those ive been banned

Before that, its a different story

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> i know lol thats why im saying it

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> i even didnt notice your ban before you bring it up on your X account

My support kpis are unmatched :D lol

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> I found this guy when he said he is going to take over the world before making a proposal😂

I was banned for months at that point

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> In other news

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> github.com/retrnull/garnet/releases

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> this is super cool

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> ^ testers / feedback welcome e.g. is it real bounties.monero.social/posts/94/42-420m-nostr-client-for-monero

I've been waiting for 0.18.3.4 for months

I hear that it will be soon™

much improvement coming

w0w

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> Like ?

Boost 1.85 compat

what was originally planned I already forgot and then there is new stuff that I haven't been following lol

but I am excited

Faster startup with large txpools

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Turbo bruh

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> We need a primal fork!

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Makes the world go around

<0​xfffc:monero.social> Once monero-project/monero #9404 merged. It will be instantaneous to start monerod even with huge txpool.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Where's selsta? Who can we get to review 9404? Sers?

when huge tx pool? :)

Whenever a botnet minee decides to start spamming dust to themself

Current release, takes like 90mins to startup a 100mb txpool, current master takes like 25mins, new pr takes like 2mins

there might be security implications with removing tx pool check on startup, boog thinks it's not an issue but would like others to review it too

ofrnxmr: weird my nodes sometimes crashed during around 100mb pool and it took like 5min to restart

without any patches

what size pools did stressnet create?

this was on mainnet not stressnet

yes

I was assuming that patch came from things found with testnet

*stressnet

"weird my nodes sometimes crashed during around 100mb pool and it took like 5min to restart" < maybe the pool wasn't recoverable (and resynced)

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> selsta who might be the others that can review such PR? Asking to see if perhaps we can ping. 😁

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Cool to see Molly's CCS milestones chugging along thanks to recent merges. Cheers valldrac.

ofrnxmr: does code for this exist?

rottenwheel: will post it in -dev

We got up to 1gb

nioCat

Selsta, i was mistaken. My "current master" numbers arent on master yet monero-project/monero #9376

is that on your phone?

android node

No, its on a vps with 8gb ram