Session messenger used crypto libs that didnt have source available, iirc

<3​21bob321:monero.social> They are pos now?

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> caliban.org/wp/2024/08/session-inst…er-is-fraught-with-serious-problems

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Always have been

CCS Coordinator is now fully funded! ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/ccs-coordinator-5-plowsof.html @luigi1111

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Back to work plowsof

that video really doesn’t want to be funded 😅

do we need to add deadlines for funding

or expiration dates

is there any room (matrix/irc optional) for rust related to monero that’s not cuprate?

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Surprises me he's not whining about GF sending shekels to proposals needing funding.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> He's losing his edge!

<k​evino:tchncs.de> rotten , aren't you using haveno ?

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Nope, not yet at least. Haven't had a need to.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> I rather build my own p2p networks outside of the already established p2p networks...

<k​evino:tchncs.de> sure you are free to build a p2p network !

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Count me in

<k​evino:tchncs.de> but usually escrows are a wise option

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> 100%. Trust me, I already lost 5k to a scammer in the past.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> kuno.anne.media/fundraiser/recb

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Is USD your fiat currency? 🤔

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Nope

<k​evino:tchncs.de> what do i trust you with ?

<k​evino:tchncs.de> you need to trust people on twitter

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Yeah, but generally they are the ones who send fiat first, not me. It helps in my case that I have been around for years, got a CCS-funded newsletter... Would be stupid of me to run off with someone's loot.

<k​evino:tchncs.de> i mean hopefully you got an experience from the scam

<k​evino:tchncs.de> i mean hopefully you got an experience from the earlier scam

<k​evino:tchncs.de> does zelle have any chargeback system

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> I sent XMR first in that particular deal.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> No chargebacks in monono.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Social engineering was involved...

<k​evino:tchncs.de> yeah , i meant receiving fiat thru zelle

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Why would anyone want to send money back though?

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Tainted XMR?

<k​evino:tchncs.de> i remember local monero used to have warning labels about known scams

<k​evino:tchncs.de> i mean the buyer creating a chargeback after you send them xmr

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Gotcha, no, Zelle payments are rarely refunded, as far as I know.

hey rottenwheel, I wanted to say thank you for sharing, but I was not really able that day. I very appreciate it!

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> vthor_ sharing? I thought it was you who shared? Either way, no worries; any time!

:D

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> sneurlax as notified in cuprate, wish granted: #monero-rust:monero.social (Logo to be changed, moderators to be found? monerobull, plowsof?)

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Yest

<c​ryptomorpheus_:matrix.org> Hahaha, I knew someone would invite me back

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Unfortunately...

midi asking for jberman rates is pure comedy

332xmr for 480hrs of blog posts on privacy written in google docs. Is this satire?

Midi pretending to be a researcher is some of the worst acting i've ever seen

199k/yr for 2 blog posts is absolute comedy

"Depending on how much work is required to resubmit, I will either open another CCS for the work required, or do the work for free (probably the latter). Alternative options are to choose less respected journals (easier acceptance), or even a conference venue (to ensure publication and exposure)." Tldr: this trash will be rejected, so ill just get

some paid vacation to go talk about it at monerokon

50k for 3 months of works is berman/kaya rates. Hilarious.

I think this is what they mean when they say "dont quit your day job"

Not blog posts

d1 and 2 ate blog posts

M1: 20% paid after delivery of D1 [end of month 2] (~66 XMR)

M2: 20% paid after deliver of D2 [end of month 4] (~66 XMR)

M0: 10% upfront payment of total cost (~33 XMR)

D1: a blog posts (easily shareable across social media, reddit, etc) of about 1000 words. The topic will be the current state of cryptocurrency Regulation in Europe, with specific relation to Monero and other privacy coins (delivered end of month 2).

D2: a blog post (easily shareable across social media, reddit, etc) of about 1000 words. The topic will be the application (or not) of MiCAR (Market in Crypto-Assets Regulation) to Monero and Haveno.

D3 is essential a 5-10k word newsletter on recent events "Monero delistings.

Litigations/criminal charges against Tornado Mixer, Bitcoin Fog, Samurai Wallet, etc.

Attempts at compliance from certain projects (e.g., ZCash, Firo) and the impact of that on whether they are ‘fully decentralised’ (see MiCAR Recital 22) or not.

Foresight analysis concept of decentralisation in the ecosystem and potential application of relevant or evolving legislation."

<r​brunner7:monero.social> I somehow miss a question and corresponding answer there: "What will the benefits for Monero and its community of users?" Such a paper is nice, and maybe it costs that much to get a high-quality paper written by somebody qualified, but ... but ... what will we do with it then?

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Maybe I don't fully understand what the paper will deliver under this: "Foresight analysis concept of decentralisation in the ecosystem and potential application of relevant or evolving legislation"

i think the short answer is "nothing"

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Is this a complicated way of saying "I try to find out what we can do"?

Look at history - what has MPWG accomplished thus far? aside from paid monerokon vacations

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Afaik it doesn't propose a solution but just try to *formalize* or at least *develop* the issue of regulatory pression. The only usefulness I see with such paper is for influence purpose. Having to more informations to support monero arguments for privacy.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Even tho I see it being useful in the long-term to have a well written resource about that issue. The price is too much of a barrier.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> again imo

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> imo

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Yeah, and things do not stand still. Legislation, law enforcement, etc., everything is moving and shifting. 1 year later a paper update, for USD 20000?

..+1. The topics are a catch all for tornadocash and other things unrelated to monero (private by default). This is just intended to gather support from people who think this will have any teeth in the figh against europe delistings. We'd have a better time sending 200k to politicians to lobby lol

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Good idea. We pay a half-time Monero lobbyist. For half a year. And then we look at the results to decide whether to prolong.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I swear 200k for Monero marketing IRL would be absolutely incredible

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> The importance of paying for Free Software. lwn.net/SubscriberLink/993073/397cb7071d5a3642

@seen Perkins&Cole

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Pay for some YouTube endorsements

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Cake paid for twitter ads and nobody has ever seen one

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Like you have to know someone famous or with a large following not just pay for the platform ads, needs and actual endorsement

rbrunner7: your question "What will the benefits for Monero and its community of users?" is fair. What good is any academic policy/legal research on Monero worth? What is any academic research worth to the community? Essentially, all it does is add to an existing body of knowledge on a subject, from which other researchers/people can learn from. Who those people are and what they're researching is a complete unknown.

For example, the prior research i did on Monero had been cited by all manner of papers, on cryptocurrency, governance, decentralisation, social policy, CBDCs, etc. Is each of those citations worth anything? Perhaps not. If i don't do the research i propose, it might never get done. Admittedly, on the other hand, someone might decide to do it themselves, or someone somewhere is maybe already starting to do it. There have

certainly been some recent related works that i have seen. We could wait and see, or just do the research.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I follow almost every government RSS feeds and look for these keywords CBDC, Monero etc

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Central bank digital currencies are being feeded out quite a lot in government publications but not really to the general public it seems yet

syntheticbird: out of interest, what do you think is a fair/reasonable price for the paper?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> 2/3 of the actual price.

So you think i should ask a rate of €50 an hour, or do you think it should take 2/3 of the time?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> €50 an hour. I don't care about time since its supposed be an academic paper I prefer it to complete/correct than made in a hurry (relative to the huge scope of topics you're trying to address). I think above 50€/hour is not reasonable.

So basically the skills required to do the paper (and cover the huge scope of topics) are similar/comparable to the other CCS's at that, or similar, rates?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I personally think some CCS don't deserve a 50€/hour rate but for me yes I think it does. But I'm waiting for arguments to tell me I'm wrong and that I probably underestimate the skills required for this to work.

$25usd/hr

Afaik, midi isnt a lawyer and doesnt know how to use tor. Uaes google docs for collab in monero-policy. I dont think midi is knowledgeable on privacy tools at all

and id still say 40-50% of the ccs is a complete waste (m0 m1 m2)

Up front, blog 1, blog 2

And syntheticbird, the rate is stated at 75, but is calculated to 90eur

also xmr is rated at 141 usd. The whole ccs reeks of waste

Jberman 317 for 480hrs. Midi 332 for 480hrs. If were paying per word thats $4 per word lol

and thats assuming 12k words.. if we go on the low endthats $7 per word

I think $25usd/hr is overly generous

That makes for 80xmr at $1/word. I'd still go for 0xmr and prefer a lobbying ccs over adding gibberish blog posts and "academic" papers from someone who doesnt know how to use any privacy tools

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> mhm. I think midi will do extensive research and think before writing, so you can't just resume that to *4$ per word*. There is a real work behind. Tho yeah current stated price is... astounishing. Also I don't particularly judge on its technical capabilities, stated background maybe but yeah idc if he uses google docs and not cryptopad. Regarding up front he has been transparent <clipped messa

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> that he just quit his job. So I won't include it in the waste, just something to take in consideration if we accept or not.

he didnt quit yet, he said he will quiy

I think he should _not_ quit his dayjob

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> > Because I am quitting my day job – I need some certainty on the first month (basically to be able to pay my mortgage).

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I don't understand any conditional.

The first 4 months are blog posts

2x 100 word blog posts, for 40% of the value

1000*

syntheticbird: i also agree that general wage inflation in the CCS process is a problem, but this is where we are, i am afraid. In terms of justification for my own rate, two of my recent publications (with a third forthcoming) have day rates of anywhere between €750 to €1500. You can argue that's commercially orientated research, capitalism gone mad, includes commercial overheads, etc. all that is true, but

somewhere in those day rates is the cost of high quality bespoke research. Alternatively, i suppose we could put a CCS for a post-doc to do the research. Might be a lot cheaper, but then we wouldn't be sure of who we get, and what the standard of the paper would be. We might also need someone to oversee their work as well, but maybe MRL could do that?

Cypherstack just put out a paper on monero

lets compare rates /s

23 page, likely ~5000 words

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> midipoet. I'm not an ideologist so I don't care about the back sentiment of such paper. I also make distinction between MRL and your proposed work. You do not propose any scientific or mathematics work but a study that relate more of social aspect. So I don't it make sense for MRL to review your work (or even compare it to MRL like ofrnxmr is doing). Also, higher-rate do not parti<clipped messa

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> cularly buy you any credibility, it just raise our expectations. And for me, I don't see any reasonable expectation increase between a 50€ rate and 90€ rate.

Cypherstacks paper isnt mrl, its just something cypherstack and sarang did on their own time

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ofrnxmr It is a scientific study that was designed and aimed to be shared with the Monero Research Lab. I don't feel its particularly wrong to make a distinction here if we talk solely about the type of work being done

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ofrnxmr It is a scientific study that was designed and aimed to be shared with the Monero Research Lab. I don't feel its particularly wrong to NOT make a distinction here if we talk solely about the type of work being done

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> sorry for the spam IRC users

My point isn't about the genre of work, but about the quality / knowledge, length and the rates that the authors are typically paid. imo, cypherstacks paper is worth more, word for word and knowledge required, (as well as focused on XMR and not fiat, transparent coins, washing dirty coins etc )than anything this ccs hopes to put out

In 2022, binance blocked litecoin mweb deposits while still allowing xmr deposits. Delistings aren't a monero problem

Europe isnt a monero problem. Kraken isnt a monero problem. Tornadocash is definitely and other methods of erasing history (opt-in privacy) isnt a monero problem

<c​t:xmr.mx> This is honestly the most shocking part tbh. Even our cryptographers have relatively poor job security, and everyone agrees that they are absolute essential. Even if you manage to push this one CCS through, I wouldnt be betting on archiving that a second time 6 months down the line. Dont put your livelihood at risk man

syntheticbird: if there is no difference between €50 and €90, then why are we discussing the money aspect (semi-serious question)? In reality though, if your argument is that it's not in the realm of MRL as it's not computer science/mathematics but social science, then fair enough. I can't argue against that. My understanding of MRL is that it was open to all research topics and domains, and that has been

consistent with my dealings with them as well.

ct: for the record, my plan isn't to hope for a continual CCS job. I am quitting my job to give me the time to do this research. More than likely, while I do the research, i will also be looking for a new job (during the other 20 hours). I will certainly be looking from month 5 onwards. I am relatively confident i can get a job, when i will need one. The reason for quitting my job for this, is that I can't do my current

job and the CCS. That is impossible, so one has to give.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> midipoet: I was talking about expectations. I'm just saying above 50€/hr I don't see what you can provide in value that is worth the increase. I maybe missing something. Also that's a fair point. I don't know exactly what is the main scope of MRL and in which domain they operate, maybe there will be MRL members ready to review your work, just saying you shouldn't count on that.

I am not asking for MRL members for review

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Oh

ofrnxmr it's clear you're not going to donate a piconero to this since you don't see the value. maybe others do. I also think it's ridiculous you're charging the community $300K for a supposed atomic swap platform no one is using, but others see the value. maybe you don't have to be the arbiter of everything in monero?

I would probably ask monero-policy members for review, and probably pay them for their time from the CCS (if they wish)

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Mamma mia guys its popcorn time 🍿

Charging the community >> 1 donor >> and i know at least 10 ppl in this room who use it

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> midipoet: fair enough.

What was ofrnxmr's rate for overseeing the bsx development?

~20/hr

my ccs was primarily funded by one donor as well. did that stop you from calling me a scammer for 6 months straight?

You are a scammer

Your ccs was a lie

<c​t:xmr.mx> I knew it from the moment I saw the CCS in my RSS feed

you're a confirmed bad actor. maybe sit this one out.

confirmed? By whom?

by your behavior

Last i checked bsx in progress and docs site is up,pussy

<c​t:xmr.mx> By geonic lol

Your movie didnt win anything

Didnt even feature monero

did you forget that you were banned for your behavior?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> lmfao kewbit has been writing for ages

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> come on you can do it

Idiot, i was banned for calling scott a bitch

how many people have been banned in all monero channels? that confirms you as a bad actor doesn't it

your first ban in this channel was for calling me a scammer

liar

and it was by sgp

It was for calling sgp barney

anyway, can you go back to working on the 2 CCSs you have running simultaneously?

you're wasting your donors' patience

This is part of 1 of them

And i'm wasting nobodies time. We have a release coming in the next couple days and i opened 2prs just before i came here

What do you contribute? at all?

again, you're not the arbiter of everything in monero

get off your high horse

Get on my high horse*

Lets go jousting

<c​t:xmr.mx> noise

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> <g​eonic> again, you're not the arbiter of everything in monero <== neither are you, but you haven't figured that out yet.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ofrnxmr -- ego tamper --> rottenwheel -- ego tamper --> geonic -- ego tamper --> ofrnxmr

anyone notice how this channel got a whole lot quieter once ofrn astroturfed his CCS proposals through

<f​elizduq:matrix.org> Lmao

and a bunch of alts disappeared

16:46 <m-relay> <alpharabius:matrix.org> He's that one kid from the show recess

16:46 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> Randal or whatever

I remember when they were finishing each other's sentences

Lmfao

Plowsof can confirm that i am not alpha

sure

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> but plowsof is your alt

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> like anyone in this chat

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> kevino trying to not show its party challenge:

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> impossible

everyone is ofrn. Ceetee, dan, alpha, coffeeplease, siren, kevino, and my many other alts. I'm definitely forgetting a fee

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> (im obviously joking kevino nothing against you)

Few*

I lost the passsword to my alpharabius account /s

<c​t:xmr.mx> if its quiet here I can focus on other stuff

<f​elizduq:matrix.org> (stands up) I am oftnxmr

Whoops. Typed that from the wrong window

<c​t:xmr.mx> either irl or beginning to plan next Mk. But thank you very much for your concern geonic

<k​evino:tchncs.de> Mk ?

<c​t:xmr.mx> monerokon

I wonder how all of ofrn's non-alts feel that he used them to stir shit up for a year+ at supposed CCS grifts only to push through a $300K grift himself

what a bunch of tools lmao

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Yes, basicswap is a grift /s

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And nobody uses it /s

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/YZPnMaJURolhnvVZMVpeqhhU

^ I didn't post this

look at the top comment

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> This VERY user contacted me and we fixed their install

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> They use basicswap now. Their install had some misconfiguration

I'm sure they do

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> They arent in this room, but are in basicswap

so many people use basicswap that ofrn keeps track of every user individually

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> *Are `basicswap users` with us in the room right now ?*

lol

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> lets go kevino is one

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> checkmate geonic

alright later. got better shit to do than debate grifters.

<k​evino:tchncs.de> will kewbir ever finish typing 🤔

<k​evino:tchncs.de> will kewbit ever finish typing 🤔

<k​evino:tchncs.de> better be good one

Monero-love also contributes to stressnet and uses basicswap

syntheticbird: I actually met the BasicSwap guy in person in Mexico City last year. listened to his talk

"the" basicswap guy

I'm not a fan that they market their platform as atomic swaps when it's actually not atomic

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> cangrejo: << this one?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> It is atomic 💀

<f​elizduq:matrix.org> I think he means kap

and he had a general snake-oil-salesman vibe. the low (minimal) usage is not reassuring either.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Its not actually atomic << lmao

but hey, if it gets ofrn paid that's great

<f​elizduq:matrix.org> Very confused by a few of geonic's takes but I imagine there's a history here that I'm not up to date with

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> geonic what do you mean by not atomic?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> no, geonic is a scammer

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> No history, just deflecting from his scam ccs to try to pull a "pot cslling kettle black" arguement

they have a few assets on their platform for which there's no atomic swaps available at all

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Yeah, geonic. Please explain how its not atomic

no atomic interoperability. they have their intermediary token as far as I understand?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Says who??? There are active offers for every coin

<f​elizduq:matrix.org> You mean like xmr<->firo not being available..?

sure

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> No, particl coin is not needed for swaps

can you atomic swap between xmr and firo without an intermediary?

if you need an intermediary it's not an atomic swap

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Soon

<k​evino:tchncs.de> yes

<f​elizduq:matrix.org> There is no intermediary anything lol

<k​evino:tchncs.de> ain't it ? sorry i was wrong

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> You cant swap xmr to firo because the swap protocol doesnt supoort swapping xmr to coins that dont have segwit

so why is it on BasicSwap ?

<f​elizduq:matrix.org> No you can't do xmr firo at all right now, theoretically would be possible with an intermediary but bsx does not have that

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> But were integrating bch's <> xmr atomic swap protocol _right now_

and why are we calling it atomic swaps ?

<k​evino:tchncs.de> Kap said Eth support is coming

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Because you can swap firo to ltc/btc/ etc

<f​elizduq:matrix.org> There is no xmr firo

<j​osko_jole_galjcha:matrix.org> rottenwheel: this right here, legit .

felizduq: my bad, tx for clarifying

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Its an atomic swap platform, not an xmr based atomic swap platform

<k​evino:tchncs.de> btw BSX UI and ease of use is much better than haveno for crypto-crypto pairs

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> plowsof @plowsof:matrix.org what is he on about?

<k​evino:tchncs.de> would advice anyone to use bsx for crypto-crypto swaps than haveno

why

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> no idea

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> ok so I just spent the last 30 mins or so writing a plan but it’s now exceeded my chat limit so I am going to blog it instead

<f​elizduq:matrix.org> LOL

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> is this 'can i atomic swap without needing to interact with / buy the particl coin?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Killing us with the suspense kewbit

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> answer is yes

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> ofrnxmr: I agree there is no fire but it doesn’t have to be that way

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> It does atm

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> The swaps use segwit on one side. After bch integration, we'll have a method to awap with non-segwit coins

<k​evino:tchncs.de> Firo nodes are even having sync issues right now

<k​evino:tchncs.de> a problem at their end

are atomic swaps between firo and ltc/btc available anywhere other than BasicSwap?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> no

I will use atomic swaps when I can exchange from and to fiat

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Or.. wait, yes

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Firodex, i think

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Ok moving it over so there is more space and I format it better, give me 30 more mins

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Niocat :D lol, wen cdbc? Lmao

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I got a CBDC rss fees today from UK government they will likely be first to implement it

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I got a CBDC rss feed today from UK government they will likely be first to implement it

Not china?

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> The central Bank of England is nearing completion of their CBDC

I'll need to ask someone more technical to explain how a basicswap atomic swap differ from a farcaster swap for example, but I was told there's a significant difference

<k​evino:tchncs.de> bsx support group

there are multiple atomic swap methods

<k​evino:tchncs.de> ask there

to the point of even calling the basicswap stuff atomic being a little misleading

Beyond hashed, farcaster, basicswap, bch

Kaya

<f​elizduq:matrix.org> Bsx has two swap types available for most coins - htlc and adaptor signature swaps

Even kaya has his own atomic swaps

<f​elizduq:matrix.org> Xmr is all adaptor sit swaps

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> CBDCs are are a double edged sword for governments / central banks anyway, on the one hand, they have more control over money, on the other hand they are teaching people how crypto works enmass, making a revolutionary migrations to real cryptos less difficult.

<f​elizduq:matrix.org> Xmr is all adaptor sitlg swaps

<f​elizduq:matrix.org> Xmr is all adaptor sig swaps

<k​evino:tchncs.de> *trustless

<k​evino:tchncs.de> people will understand that better

BSX is a trustless swap platform?

Yes

as opposed to atomic? (:

atomic awaps are trustless swaps

<k​evino:tchncs.de> many won't know whats Atomic supposed to mean including mean

that's a useful rebranding but I'm not sure others would agree

<k​evino:tchncs.de> for me atomic=trustless

<f​elizduq:matrix.org> This is a weird semantic debate, obviously atomic swaps don't involve trust

you see how we funded bch<>xmr atomic swaps?

anyway, got shit to do. let's be productive and quit staring at each other's plates.

Well bch swap type is coming to bsx. Are those now magicallt not atomic?

^ good movie

Did it win an oscar tho?

no, just like many other good movies

Damn. You'll get em next time, tiger!

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Trustless platforms are hard to achieve, atomic swaps, so far is like the best thing that happened to crypto in that direction for sure. Although I haven’t read the papers on atomic swaps yet… before we start swippy swapping out coinage around, we need to get it out of fist first :D

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Tails v6.8.1 is out, shipping Tor Browser v13.5.7 with the hotfix. Second release under Tor project, no less.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> blog.torproject.org/new-release-tails-6-8-1

Moneroresearch.info should have numerous papers on atomic swaps

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Yeah can I will read every single one of the

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Yeah can I will read every single one of them

read them twice

don't worry about me, we won another festival award this weekend

meanwhile the only stage ofrn will ever be on is this channel

this is a stage?

for you, obvs

it's the ofrn show all day

Me and my alts*

Glad you understand

Now get off of my stage and go back to your own

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> whats the point of doing it if its not worth it and also other will do it for us?

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> you are just sugarcoating it, whats the result, favorable legislation for monero? i dont think thats possible with how real world works, governments will attack as hard as they can, this is pointless

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> you cant fight with rules, thats why people worked on the technical side instead of bureaucracy

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> monero got delisted and instead of sucking politicians ballz community decided to support haveno, basicswap and future serai because we knew it was useless

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> you dont have any clear goal, you just want to do it for the sake of doing it, and from when people decided that prominent projects should pay for nobody's to do a research on the project? i dont know the exact license used for monero but you should be the one to pay(if its not open) to use the projects name to climb your social ladder

<r​brunner7:monero.social> > you dont have any clear goal, you just want to do it for the sake of doing it

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Well, yes, that's why it's called "research"

<r​brunner7:monero.social> "fundamental research", if you like

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> thats not have fund required research work though

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> at least in my area

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> give me money and i figure it out

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> thats not have fund required research work though

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> at least in my area

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> "give me money and i figure it out"

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> 300k at that

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> give me your possible list of outcomes

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> ease of regulation?

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> ease of regulations?

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Probably not. But with such arguments you can shoot down probably 80% of all "pure" research done, wordwide. When you start, you don't know yet what will come out of it.

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> thats why most of them are waste of money right?

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Yes :) But you don't know which 80%

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> like funding a research with the context of:

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> "how will people in one of the remote indian village react when you introduce them to smart phones for the first time" budget 10 million USD

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> outcome:

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> "they were shoced"

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> like funding a research with the context of:

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> "how will people in one of the remote indian villages react when you introduce them to smart phones for the first time" budget 10 million USD

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> outcome:

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> "they were shoced"

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> if your connected to printing machine like your government

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> sure, just fund them left and right, even critical researches like cancer related ones are proven to be false most of the time(check the X, people are melting down over it) because of that 80%

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> thats billions of dollars

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Counter example: A single person, on a absolutely shoestring budget, showed that the notion of places on Earth where people get extraordinarily old is probably hogwash. Stop all those "Med diets" and "Okinawa diets": [link](theconversation.com/the-data-on-ext…el-winner-saul-justin-newman-239023)

<r​brunner7:monero.social> And that *is* important to me, even personally, because I am already pretty old

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> so summarize it, why do they live past their 90s?

<r​brunner7:monero.social> It was about those purported 105 years olds ...

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> also that guy had a clear goal:

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> researching on the effects of okinava diets to see if its a factor in locals living till 105s

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Occuring in masses in some places - purportedly

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> thats not your 80% category though

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> and why is that?

<r​brunner7:monero.social> ? No, that was a resounding success, if you ask me. Counterexample to your wasting 10s of millions for nonsense

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> im saying we should not waste on random ass research projects and your saying that its okay, lets just gamble and fund anything even if its pointless and dump, at least 1 out 100 can be a jackpot

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Back to the topic, that CCS: I think it is legit to ask whether Monero is the subject, and the CCS the place to get financing, and midipoet the person to do the research. But I think as basic research, the proposal looks sound.

<r​brunner7:monero.social> I lean towards the "No" side, right now.

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> so you confirmed that you dont have any kind of goal in mind

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> just pointless data collection with no possible impact on the monero itself

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> in one of the hardest and most complicated topics which is privacy and politics + regulations etc etc

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> The proposal is 40%blog posts about nothibg

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> With 10% up front, while the first 4 months are blogging

<r​brunner7:monero.social> > you dont have any kind of goal in mind

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> If the proposal was sound, it would only be the 10k words paper

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> i guess if you wrap it inside of a box named "RESEARCH" you can justify scamming people

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Is that something dirty?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> i dont think the blogs are worth 100usd/hr

Old? "How old would be if you didn't know how old you wuz" -- Satchel Page

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> im pretty sure im not gonna lose the argument if its trolling and bullshiting around

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Kids these days just can't handle basic debates... real_glitch ofrnxmr It's the moment to say:

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> > Deer rbrunner7 while I do understand your point on the gambling nature of fundamental research, I think the CCS fund is not adequate as there are, IMHO, more important point to address: such as pricing and potential benefits.

<r​brunner7:monero.social> No, I give the benefit of the doubt, I assume (maybe naively) that sound research *will* be done

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> and not:

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> > <insert argument I have stated before>

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Mpwg has existed for a long time

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> more researcher like response

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> History is the best predictor of the future. What have they produced?

<r​brunner7:monero.social> What is "Mpwg"?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> moneropolicy.org

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Ah, ok

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> mpwg = Monero policy workgroup

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> There are blog posts at the link

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Again, I am with some people here and tend to the "No" side for this proposal. I just find it highly questionable to cast doubt on the very idea of research, especially basic / fundamental research.

<r​brunner7:monero.social> "People waste money with research" does *not* lead to "Stop research"

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> moneropolicy.org/2022-09-12-tornado-cash

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Heres a, imo, very poor blog post

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> More like a cointelegraph article

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> "useless researches with no clear goals, just for the sake of doing it"

<r​brunner7:monero.social> You don't get it, do you?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> bro is lost

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> yeah OFAC bad bad, tornado cash should be legal blah blah

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> two years later:

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> tornado cash dev going to prison

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Not enough research done by them, surely :)

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> We lack that crucially these days

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I blame schools on that

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> i will fund any amount of your research if you can influence OFAC policy

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Lobbying has a better chance of that

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Yeah, I am aware that this is not realistic.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> mhm. i think there is a logical collision in this sentence

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Youll never convince your oppressors to do anything. You must force them to

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> i guess you just dont know how the fuck government interacts with people when its an important topic such as OFAC and so on

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Maybe RG is a whale funding proposals

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> he wants to ask them politely

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> "pls we are good guys"

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> ffs

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> rg.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> RG?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I think RG is another one of my accounts though /s

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Real_glitch

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> not big enough to be called whale "yet"🫤

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Hmm, maybe we should fund research into new and innovative lobbying approaches in the field of privacy.

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> thats a good idea if you can find the right guy for that

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> unfortunately my background heavily restricts from that kind of activity

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I support the proposal

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> so i can just donate

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Diego Salazar: Jumping into the shark infested waters :)

you support 100/hr for 2 1000 word blog posts?

I'm not speaking on the academic paper atm, jist the first ~40% of the proposal

Knowing the quality of mpwg's previous blog posts?

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> moneropolicy.org/2021-08-20-ppp-response

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> this one is a joke, author either ignorant with no real world experience or he is just fucking around for the sake of it

literally ignorant with no real world experience. Thats well known

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> i mean if he could do some second grade math"

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> 1-government wants full control over people

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> 2-they mainly use fiat currency to achieve their goal

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> 3-monero is out of governments authority

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> 4-government will stop monero by any means possible

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> apparently rbrunner wnats find jackpot like secrets to living beyond 100 yo from flawed researches like this

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> thats why im saying at least, they need a clear goal

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Lol

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Touché

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> authors:

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> Dr. F. X. Cabañas; Dr. J. Dubois-Lacoste; Deanna MacDonald; Justin Ehrenhofer;

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> Dr. R. Renwick; Asst. Prof. Dr. A.J. Santos.

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> i wonder if any of them are available here for giving us some context

seems like a pretty high-quality response to me

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> the result?

<r​brunner7:monero.social> "Cabañas" is Core member Articmine

ah, they dind't win the Oscar

didn't*

<3​21bob321:monero.social> I’d remove the “blog paper” and stick to research paper

there's one more Core member there

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> troll it over

midipoet is also there

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> RG, that is the members of MPWG

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> make this a sacred rule before making any kind of dump proposal

what's the rule?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> The “blog” cost is way to high

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Cananas = articmine, justin = sgp, renwick = midipoet

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> #monero-policy:monero.social

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> you cant stop governments aggression towards monero unless you overpower it by some means

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> either some rich group influencing some random small country in africa or military or lobby

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> you cant do it by simply asking them

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> midipoet:D

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> i guess he didnt learn from his experience

<3​21bob321:monero.social> So the research paper will be at the same level as rucks?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> No

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> It will be the level of midipoets

will we get an ai podcast of the blog thrown in for free

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> No

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 100/hr

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Sorry, 80/hr + 20% CAT

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Don't trigger poor plowsof

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Doesn't deserve it

I do think the volatility buffer has to go imo. CCS shouldn't allow "volatility buffers" unless the proposer agrees to refund in case the price goes up.

and even then who's to say that a 20% volatility buffer is enough? price could crash 50% tomorrow

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Wow, i agree with geonic. I think he's my alt

it's completely arbitrary and (almost always) a money grab

hate to make this about myself but just yesterday i had already accepted it was all but over, and i would never be funded again. the 15 angels who had donated 33 xmr kept me going, thank you so much. and a whale saved me. i realise that my proposal needs to expand on what i actually do/have done... or my updates... please continue

Bob: if we don't have the blogs, there is no easily accessible/understandable material for people/reddit/socal media. All we will get is a fairly dense academic paper at the end of month 6. Not having the blogs also makes intermediate milestones difficult. Personally, if you don't want the blogs, that's fine by me, but then I'd have to figure out how to do the milestones. Personally, i think you'd be missing out by not

having the blogs, to be honest. For the record, i really dislike blogs, but people seem to like easily digestable coin-telegraph like articles. They also seem to get a lot of "traction".

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I spoke with myself the other day, and we came to the conclusion that if you want a buffer, the jetfund can be used to cover lossed, but surplus should also be used to pay into the jetfund

a volatility buffer could make sense if when monero poompas , ajs gets a free haircut at the next monerokon, and the difference is returned to <somewhere>

plowsof: CCS is at the mercy of the whales and all of our "debating" about certain proposals is for the most part useless. a whale will either like it or they won't. (e.g. the FCMP video that's been sitting in funding required for 4 months)

or cypherstack reduced their buffer when funds where released early

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Its not all about whales, as in specific ones

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> **Unrelated and attempt at changing topic**, I've an AI-powered, blazing fast, monero ecosystem (monerod,p2pool,and maybe more) dashboard project in some old boxes. I've already sent a screenshot at some point. Would you guys be interested into this? Just to know If I should think about a CCS for it in the future?

yeah, that's also how we solved the volatility issue with sarang

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Whales that funded bsx aren't the same ppl that funded oscar or unstoppable

yes, my whale is the best whale

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Syn, this is the one that had another person doing the same thing, yeah?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/yoBNAxvAtUjsEAQeSYovGiUF

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ? Actually I started before the bounty was a thing and afaik we don't plan on the same thing. Mine has several more features and a broader scope.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Yes exactly

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> hold on i might find some videos

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> My point with whales, is that it depends on the proposal. Vost's ccs was up next to both of mine

to be fair to vost. the original proposal, looked almost identical to the proposal that savandar (lfoating eye bag/ball of flesh)

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Who made that

it's had plenty of visibility, no doubt

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> vost's prior proposals were all funded relatively quickly

he updated it, adding clickable links to previous works. and , revealed that the intro video has been funded outside of the ccs

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> then there is no point in the community itself and the whole ccs platform

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> me

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Syntheticbird did

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Wow nice

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> retrieve some good meme

<system> file industrialscale.mp4 too big to download (10243418 > allowed size: 1000000)

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> industrialscale.mp4

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Using what?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> daemon is written in Rust, UI was initially written in Astro but it was fucking stupid, so I'll just switch to Preact.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Astro… never heard of it

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Will look

wut you've never heard of Astro

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> i thought its famous?

it's the new sliced bread :p

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Yeah but I just hyper focus on one thing

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Oooh

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Slicier bread than Elm?

much slicier

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> i just got an add in youtube by google under the video:

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> COVID-19 vaccine

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> Learn about vaccine progress from the WHO[Link}

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> is Covid-19 still a thing?

just like basicswap users are a thing

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> i just got an ad in youtube by google under the video:

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> COVID-19 vaccine

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> Learn about vaccine progress from the WHO\[Link}

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> so sad my attempt at having an answer failed and fall behind covid19

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Why aren’t you doing UI stuff for the big stuff isn’t that like a hobby thing just displaying some stats

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> "<g​eonic> just like basicswap users are a thing" << just like monero is featured in your movie

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Basicswap users _are_ a thing 💀. Dont project your worthlessness onto me

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Oh

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> It’s for that

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> i thought you were going to work on cuprate?

it was featured enough for the audience at MoneroKon. move on.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ssssshhhhhhh boog900 don't need to know my name on #cuprate is `SyntheticBird (not a single PR in 8 months)`

<r​brunner7:monero.social> SyntheticBird: "Would you guys be interested into this? Just to know If I should think about a CCS for it in the future?" The field of such things is pretty much empty right now, somewhat surprisingly. I do think that would be useful, and yeah, why not a (reasonably priced) CCS for that.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> real_glitch if I open a CCS that might be in a year.

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> i agree, he did misrepresent it a bit by saying ai-powered

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> you mean small assistance right?

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> thats a good idea imo

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> NO NO. there will be a neural network capable of detecting in real time network anomalies

and I am 100% certain more people have seen my movie than have used basicswap :p

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> that was the whole concept

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> at the beginning

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> that moves so fast right know, i think you should focus and stick to one of them

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> oh, my bad

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> dw sir

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> but i dont think thats going to be east though

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> thats shit ton of work even if you have the required expertise

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> but i dont think thats going to be easy though

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> thats shit ton of work even if you have the required expertise

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> i didnt watch that shit, i was waiting for the oscar award and...

Oscars can be elusive

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Yeah but the end result I imagine is already very exciting for me.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Sssh, the crooks can calm down for a few minutes, please...

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> plowsof @plowsof:matrix.org MO is going independent funding for Q4 2024 through Q1 2026! 👀 monero.observer/monero-observer-funding-2025

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> epic

rottenwheel: are you saying this is ofrn? thechinaproject.com/2022/05/20/a-th…rying-stop-thief-phrase-of-the-week

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Shouldn't escapethe3ra consider setting up a Kuno to have a set goal, transparency and easiness to keep track of donations? Else it is manual, daily updates as they say on site, but there's no private key + primary address to verify there's X amount in that wallet or not. 🤔

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> i did work on a small neural network project for 5 months

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> i really dont think you can do that alone tbh

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> its very demanding if you want to fine tune it which is the key component of your project here

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> +

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> working on the application logic + ui in the same time

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Not picking on MO or Escape, just suggesting he could make this easier to track, both for himself and the community.

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> i did work on a small neural network project for 5 months

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> i really dont think you can do that alone tbh

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> its very demanding if you want to fine tune it which is the key component of your project here

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> +

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> working on the application logic + ui ia the same time

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> i did work on a small neural network project for 5 months

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> i really dont think you can do that alone tbh

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> its very demanding if you want to fine tune it which is the key component of your project here

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> +

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> working on the application logic + ui at the same time

real_glitch: you're actually glitching and everything you post is coming through twice on IRC

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> HAHAHA VERY FUNNY GEONIC

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ROFL

who's trying to be funny

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> oh

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> huh

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> nevermind

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> It happens when you edit on matrix

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> "<g​eonic> rottenwheel: are you saying this is ofrn? thechinaproject.com/2022/05/20/a-th…rying-stop-thief-phrase-of-the-week" << stop projecting onto me

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> i didnt every single one of them though

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> btw nice theme

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> You literally delivered nothing, and never planned to

I delivered an oscar campaign, dumbass. With receipts. Now fuck off.

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> i didnt edit every single one of them though

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> No, your deliverables were "pay for me to submit my movie to festivals"

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And "pay me 2nd half if i win at a small festival that you paid for in milestone 1"

my deliverable was to qualify for the Oscars and to run a campaign, which I did

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> There were no deliverables in that ccs, and no monero in the movie

you've seen the movie?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Not. Even. In. The. Script

yes/no?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Yeah, i seeded it via torrent

I'm honored

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I watched it on 1.25x speed

alright, fuck off now. go find some of those elusive basicswap users.

should be easier than winning an Oscar no?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Again, we have users, dumbass

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> There is no way to track swaps atm, but i know many people who _use_ it to swap in/out of xmr

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Sethforfuckingprivacy is a bsx user

yes, and they are all in the room with us right now

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Your bullshit is embarrassing and pathetic

crying about my CCS for a year and a half is what's pathetic

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> No, only like 10 of them

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Example, seth isnt in this room, but kevino is

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> 😴😴😴

seth tries everything once, that's his job. does he use it on a regular basis or recommend it to his followers?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Bruh, you want to point pipe up and spread lies and fud about bsx. When YOURE the one who scammed ccs. Such a joke

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Bsx isnt atomic, bsx has no users, bsx ccs is a scam

find some influencers and give some of your hard-earned XMR to them. maybe that will attract users

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> its not his job to try software.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Yes he recommended to his followers

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And no i didnt pay him 💀

his job is to be on top of privacy-related tech, or at least it was

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Geonic have you tried bsx?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> He works for cake as vp of ops. He doesnt need my $

no. doesn't fit my needs.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> he used bsx before me

<3​21bob321:monero.social> So how do you know the user numbers?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> He = seth

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Fingering of the pulse

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> at least, you know how it works right?

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> you were wrong about atomic swaps earlier

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Ban word

I posted a reddit link above. and no one is talking about it except ofrn

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Geonic, what are your needs? Have you used haveno?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Have you used unstoppableswaps?

I know it differs enough from farcaster to not be in the same category for example

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Have you used?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Have you?

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> have you ever used monero itself lol

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Have?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Liar. We literally had a bsx user comment and a bsx team member comment in this discussion

don't worry I'm not after you. let's see what you deliver in return for the $300k

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> are you soft in the head

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I dont need you to remind me to wipe my ass after i shit

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> this channel melody to my ears

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Save your non-advice for yourself

I know your only job is protecting your reputation so you can grift more, but you can calm down a bit

so touchy

<k​evino:tchncs.de> 😴😴

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> How tf? Im on a 12month stint

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I dont have to worry about my rep, i have to get work done. Period

<k​evino:tchncs.de> pls listen to spotify ser

right. so leave others' proposals alone, you're obviously not donating

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Youre talking as if i have a campaign coming up in 3 months and need to worry about PR. I don't.

<k​evino:tchncs.de> also check your nummers

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> No, i wont leave other proposals alone

gatekeeping dimwit

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> thats what midipoet said about your scam

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> that we were gatekeeping

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Friend protect friends, amirite? fkn circlejerk

or trying to, at least

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> 😴😴😴

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Sorry ofrn but he said gatekeeping its the magic word he won the debate

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> you can't do anything against the gatekeeping word

:D lol

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> For when the monkeys shush a little. plowsof plowsof @plowsof:matrix.org plowsof @plowsof:monero.social plowsoooof.

ofrn go check on your fiverr guys see if they're working hard enough on Monero docs

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Thanks syn. I tried, but i'll give up now.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Rest in peace 🙏

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Plowsof, youre a fiverr guy now

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Congrats on the promotion

I concede your point that if it wasn't midipoet making the proposal I would probably look at it differently. but there's something to be said about long-term contributors who have earned some level of trust and midipoet is one such person.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> plowsof @plowsof:matrix.org .

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> plowsof @plowsof:matrix.org

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Everyone keep pinging plowsof!

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> plowsof:

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> omg wrong room

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Coc violation?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> for real

<3​21bob321:monero.social> We can sue?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ig

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> So pinging plowsof isnt harassment?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> maybe, I just wanted to change my nickname in another room (kyun)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And by calling him a fiverr guy, were we insulting plowsof or fiverr?

five XMR is nothing to sneer at

ACK the pings and my fiverr medal

added escapethe3ra seeking funding independently to meeting notes, thanks rottenwheel, best of luck , monero observer deserves it 💪

mainnet pat is working on adding bch atomic swaps to basicswapdex, im 2 payout deep in the 'joke' of me custodying the bounties wallet repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…als/-/merge_requests/457#note_25742