<3​21bob321:monero.social> Monero legal will be in touch

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Also isnt the haveno repos pointing to there own

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> At best, his behavior is showing you he isn't actually interested in the CCS money, because otherwise he would have applied to the rule. The mistake here was to discuss with him and adapt an exception with this guy.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Ok that’s the decision made then

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ah yeah because 45 min is perfect to get a decision

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> just for the record of course

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Mm? None of us controls the CCS.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> We're just the public and we're allowed to have an opinion.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Then guy someone who does!

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Get*

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> You need to ask Luigi, who actually controls the CCS.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> If you really think imma scam you after all this I give up

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Just keep the css money

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> SEE

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Please respond to what I said above about how you are literally going back on your word?

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> tried to do so much more than what was proposed

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> tried to manipulate you so much*

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I have been bullied and manipulated through the entire process causing endure stress

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> yeah yeah im the victim

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> spare the bullshit

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> You literally said after the first payment there wouldn't be more of this.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Several times.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> weren't you supposed to be run by the feds

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> And the reasons for that are mostly selfish ones

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Many times.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Spare the app

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> weren't you supposed to be runing from the feds

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Literally said, might I remind.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Your own words.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> How is pointing you to your own words bullying?

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> It’s over I no long wish to serve Monero

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Getting bang banged again

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> How is pointing you to your own words bullying?

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Very reasonable request

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> How is pointing you to your own words bullying?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> guess my hypothesis was right

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> he would have took the money and gtfo anyway

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> he would have took the upfront money and gtfo anyway

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> woodser your thoughts?

<e​longated:matrix.org> Wtf first Kayab now this

<e​longated:matrix.org> Who is pulling the trigger

<d​arkhappyman:monero.social> What happened ?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Who are these randoms

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Is this about the same issue as last time with meeting milestones?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> darkhappyman start from here ^

<d​arkhappyman:monero.social> Thanks

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Ccs rule everything needs to be permissive and not gate keep

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> cc ofrnxmr

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Do we have the code from the first milestone?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Nope

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> nvm Diego Salazar: github.com/KewbitXMR/haveno-app/tree/development

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Will you ever actually do that instead of polluting the room every X days with dozens and dozens of retarded messages over and over again?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> he quit

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Or you get a boner by doing that every time you feel like? Just curious.

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Finally. Thank god.

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> He did scam us out of 15 XMR, oh my goodness! repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…245d4ee0bc92afaa81c01f14b03aacaafa4

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> 75*

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> > done: 13 October 2024

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> > status: finished

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> oh

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Only milestone 1 looks paid. repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/489

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Should've been 75, though, weird. Might have to do with whatever agreement he reached with Diégo and associates.

<a​remor:matrix.org> Luke ok?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> stepped back from several post he had in the monero community. It was too much.

<p​rivacyx:monero.social> He only done one of milestones

<a​remor:matrix.org> Hmm which ones?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> MAGIC commitee and FCMP++ integration and MRL future research

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> He is still a co-chair regarding FCMP++, developing Serai DEX and co-chair of monero-oxide.

<a​remor:matrix.org> And still doing the important stuff. Sounds good

<a​remor:matrix.org> What’s Monero-oxide?

<a​remor:matrix.org> So still doing the important stuff. Sounds good

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> modern and audited Rust monero library

<u​ser2570:hackliberty.org> Dear Dart & Flutter developers,

<u​ser2570:hackliberty.org> Feel free to take over the development of Haveno DEX mobile / cross-plattform app, exit-scammed by one and only Kewbit and his imaginary Feds.

<u​ser2570:hackliberty.org> Use the opportunity to win the Bounty + CCS, by actually delivering some results.

<u​ser2570:hackliberty.org> bounties.monero.social/posts/126/36…n-source-android-app-for-haveno-dex

<u​ser2570:hackliberty.org> ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/haveno-…atform-native-app-for-every-os.html

<u​ser2570:hackliberty.org> Good luck!

<a​remor:matrix.org> Link the repos / sync the repos before he deletes them all

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> did cloned haveno-app

<u​ser2570:hackliberty.org> Dear Dart & Flutter developers,

<u​ser2570:hackliberty.org> Feel free to take over the development of Haveno DEX mobile / cross-plattform app, exit-scammed by one and only Kewbit and his imaginary Feds.

<u​ser2570:hackliberty.org> Use the opportunity to win the Bounty + CCS, by actually delivering some results.

<u​ser2570:hackliberty.org> bounties.monero.social/posts/126/36…n-source-android-app-for-haveno-dex

<u​ser2570:hackliberty.org> ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/haveno-…atform-native-app-for-every-os.html

<u​ser2570:hackliberty.org> github.com/KewbitXMR/haveno-app

<u​ser2570:hackliberty.org> git.haveno.com/haveno

<u​ser2570:hackliberty.org> Good luck!

<u​ser2570:hackliberty.org> Dear Dart & Flutter developers,

<u​ser2570:hackliberty.org> Feel free to take over the development of Haveno DEX mobile / cross-plattform app, exit-scammed by one and only Kewbit and his imaginary Feds.

<u​ser2570:hackliberty.org> Use the opportunity to win the Bounty + CCS, by actually delivering some results.

<u​ser2570:hackliberty.org> bounties.monero.social/posts/126/36…n-source-android-app-for-haveno-dex

<u​ser2570:hackliberty.org> ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/haveno-…atform-native-app-for-every-os.html

<u​ser2570:hackliberty.org> github.com/KewbitXMR/haveno-app

<u​ser2570:hackliberty.org> git.haveno.com/haveno

<u​ser2570:hackliberty.org> pub.dev/packages/haveno

<u​ser2570:hackliberty.org> hub.docker.com/u/havenodex

<u​ser2570:hackliberty.org> Good luck!

<p​rivacyx:monero.social> If ready bro then release it so we can test it out, did you not recieve payment from css 75xmr ? And in regards to the bounty the conditions were it needs to be tested by the community before payment is made. I even personally reached out to you asked you send it to me i test it out this was weeks ago. You said you will send it and then disappeared and didnt hear back from you nor<clipped message>

<p​rivacyx:monero.social> did you give me any access to test it out this is worrying you can understand cant you?

<p​rivacyx:monero.social> Why did i bother to reply prick left the room

<u​ser2570:hackliberty.org> Dear Dart & Flutter developers,

<u​ser2570:hackliberty.org> Feel free to take over the development of Haveno DEX mobile / cross-plattform app, exit-scammed by one and only Kewbit and his imaginary Feds.

<u​ser2570:hackliberty.org> Use the opportunity to win the Bounty + CCS, by actually delivering some results.

<u​ser2570:hackliberty.org> bounties.monero.social/posts/126/36…n-source-android-app-for-haveno-dex

<u​ser2570:hackliberty.org> ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/haveno-…atform-native-app-for-every-os.html

<u​ser2570:hackliberty.org> github.com/KewbitXMR/haveno-app

<u​ser2570:hackliberty.org> git.haveno.com/haveno

<u​ser2570:hackliberty.org> pub.dev/packages/haveno

<u​ser2570:hackliberty.org> Good luck!

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Is this the fake haveno domains we saw a while ago rbrunner found?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> the payout shows 75 awarded?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> where does it say otherwise?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> lol mebbe CS

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Honestly, I should have stuck to my guns instead of listening to people and recommended not even the first payment went out

<a​remor:matrix.org> How’d he get 75?

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Screaming crying throwing up

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Because he did technically complete one of the milestones

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> he was just an ass about it and demanded special treatment in regards to the CCS rules and how and when he got paid out

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> after lots of questions about why (which he took as bullying) it was ultimately determined that he did complete the first milestone so it would be paid out. And he insisted (several times) that if we accommodated his demands this one time that he would not request special treatment further because trust between him and the CCS would be established

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> next frame: he wants special treatment again

<3​21bob321:monero.social> We are not inclusive here

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Plz eat cement and harden up

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Does it say 15 or 75? [@diego:cypherstack.com](https://matrix.to/#/@diego:cypherstack.com)

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> I hadn't read this lol.

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Ah, yes. I think I see now. The 15 milestone wasn't the one marked as done, just happens to be right below the 1st one that should've been 75.

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…dacted.org/hzbYCwBgphIlorTMztBzFpTq

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Honestly, I should have stuck to my guns instead of listening to people and recommended not even the first payment went out <= nah, you did the right thing

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> ye after sitting for an hour I think you right. He completed the milestone.

scammers will scam. our reputation is worth more than 75 xmr.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> tldr: no source, no pay

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Trust me bruh

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> There are disputes in centralized institutions and the worker usually loses. Let's hope the Monero community can resolve disputes in a fair manner. I haven't much idea what has happened but I hope good faith and fair dealing will prevail.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> last time it was i completed the app, but wont release cause i want to be paid

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> The fair manner is: follow the rules and license. The relevant source code for milestones being claimed must be released before a payout, not after. There's nothing to negotiate.

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> Looks like Kewbit is gone anyways. Why don't we find developers on Fiver? Or we could place an ad on some website.

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> We could actually get some people to develop a platform like Paxful.

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Either way, looks like plowsof and associates gotta look for someone to repurpose the funds from that proposal soon^(tm).

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Mebbe Digilol's Kotlin guy can help? cc. Siren

<3​21bob321:monero.social> so kewbit is dumping the ccs?

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Dan (Is not the man & Braxman Tomsparks Advocate) Backup: I am hoping even if he tries to come back, we tell him to piss off. Fool me once, alright, fool me twice, I guess alright... fool me thrice... I am retarded.

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> Sometimes people may have reasons to just leave

If everyone was asleep none of this would have happened

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> plowsof are you a sleep doctor now!?

I advise more sleep for all patients, lets see where kewbits is at tomorrow, he can comment the actual request under his CCS so its definitive, woodser should be kept up to date on this (being the lead dev)

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Ok, doctor.

<p​rivacyx:monero.social> OI believe kewbit has withdrawn from project completely as per his messages he feels bullied etc plus he got issues with the Feds or something and he even left this room. I dont know if this just all talk or he actually withdrawing but this getting ridicolous. And based on woodsers comment made today he a bit skeptical that this app can be done so Im not sure how kewbit is using w<clipped message>

<p​rivacyx:monero.social> oodser as his advocate on this. 75 xmr has been paid out on css so far.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> what did woodser say?

<p​rivacyx:monero.social> His exact words were:

<p​rivacyx:monero.social> well that would be a holy grail. honestly I don't see how it's feasible without rewriting the codebase, but would love to be proven wrong by kewbit.org

<p​rivacyx:monero.social> This was in reply to question about the standlone mobile app

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> If we delay long enough, 75 XMR could be worth $75K.

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Could but we can't accept anonymous donations

<p​rivacyx:monero.social> I hope Im wrong and its all a horrible misunderstanding

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> sgp_: could help in this case through MAGIC, me thinks.

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> syntheticbird has another plan reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/1h64pz…rama_kewbit_has_exitscammed_the_ccs

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I hate this kind of drama people. I've already seen two of them destroy projects before I joined the monero community by scratching the rules and pissing off every single one individually but not collectively so that they can call to harassment. f*ck around and find out.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Nioc popcorn plz

<4​rkal:monero.social> New dmvp2p release just dropped. github.com/4rkal/dmvp2p/releases/tag/beta-v0.02

<4​rkal:monero.social> Would love to get some feedback on it!

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Nioc popcorn plz >> 🍿🍿🍿

so there is no haveno app? that's a pity

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Lol kewbit.org/my-software

AI backrooms?

kewbit is going to gather his thoughts and post a ccs comment for the community to discuss

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> let's hope his comment address the haveno.com website

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> cakewallet deprecating fdroid and moving to accrescentapp xcancel.com/tuxpizza/status/1864163170123665746

<u​ser2570:hackliberty.org> Kewbit be like

<u​ser2570:hackliberty.org> youtube.com/watch?v=J0gXiGYADw8

i am doubly confused now.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> [@vikrants:monero.social](https://matrix.to/#/@vikrants:monero.social) .....

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> fwiw its a reasonable stance

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Daniel Micay might looks like Kewbit he is right regarding the security of F-Droid.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Sounds like bs reason

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Its a personal fdroid repo. They literally just drop their github apk into it.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> People asked for like 2yrs for fdroid, and then overnight tux decides to remove it and tell me to use accresent? Why tf would i

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> else telling me to give github my download metrics? Why tf would i

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> this is totally retarded

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> oh I didn't know it was their own custom repo

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Yeah. Cake isnt in f-droid.org's main repo

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> and Accresent doesn't use cake's normal signature.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> my choices

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 1. Download from github, giving github my download metrics

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 2. Download from gplay

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 3. Download from accresent, which requires 1. another app store and 2. Backup and uninstall of my current cake signed wallet

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I'd very much like to know what the major issue is with maintaining the cake f-droid repo.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Monerujo, stack, molly, cromite, briar, and many many others host their own repos. Accresent has like 8 apps

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> SynthethicBird, can I kindly request that you remove your post, it’s misleading

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> The one on Reddit

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> As most of it is untrue

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> And pretty uncalled for too

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Otherwise I may have to sell this (and a bunch of other work I’ve done in good faith to someone else as the CCS is very much based on community sentiment which you’ve unreasonably soiled

100% called for

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> That’s totally against what I wanted to do

Explain haveno.com

Explain the sourceless MIT haveno crate

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Okay let’s break it down then

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> No, first explain “exit scamming”

Your verbal intentions dont align with your actions

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Then I will explain haveno.com

Nah fuck explaining the exit scam. We can just exit

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Not part of the CCS relevant

Explain the misrepresentation on haveno.com

yeah, your ccs is a dead convo. Release source or stfu

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> If we can start by explaining exit scamming

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Then we can move on to other stuff

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Because that’s the more serious concern

Now were talking about haveno.com and MIT haveno rust crate with no source avail

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> It’s not revelvsnt to this topic

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> cut the bullshit kewbit, no one's believing you, you're just trying to make some selective screenshot for whatever blog post of *I'm the victim* text you're going to throw to continue your scams

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Funny that you think we care

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Haveno.com exists as a way to ensure that the community is never scammed or centralised by authoritative individuals or companies. I have since passed this responsibility over, to a third party I’ll talk more about haveno.com later on but I for now would like to stick to the topic of discussion

I just want to know is there a haveno app/front end, and will it see the light of day in a FOSS manner? The drama is just some weird sadomasochism

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I have a some release notes due out on that you’ll have to wait for them

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Essentially in a few days times that will be governed by an entity rather than an individual

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> midipoet, will never happen, kewbit has been working on a variety of other stupid scams while under his CCS. He onl care about profit

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Rest assured Haveno.com is definitely in the communities interest

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> cringing so hard

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> And this will be provable beyond reasonable doubt

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Haveno.com looks horrid

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Scams? Which pet are you crying through?

Haveno.com lies about being haveno.exchange

kewbit: the app is going to haveno.com? Will the code be open source?

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Im confused

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> indeed you need meds kewbit

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> What does any of this have to do with the claims you’ve made

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Oooooh, I remember how haveno.exchange looked like so I was thinking who fucked their shit up this bad...

"We are hosting the official Haveno debian reposistory sources and builds; downloading Haveno builds from elsewhere is at your own risk."

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Haveno.exchange is ran by the core Monero team

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> IT ISNT

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> LMFAO

You host the official haveno source repo??

Haveno.exchange is ran by woodser, ya fuckin idiot

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Haveno.com had alternative goals which it is entitled to have but does not relate at all to this

"We are hosting the official Haveno debian reposistory sources and builds; downloading Haveno builds from elsewhere is at your own risk."

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Yeah

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I know

Explain this line of phishing

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> There is a clear distinction already

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> of course you know you're the one pulling the scam

"We are hosting the official Haveno debian reposistory sources and builds; downloading Haveno builds from elsewhere is at your own risk."

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Phishing?

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Please provide evidence

Where is the clear disctinction

"We are hosting the official Haveno debian reposistory sources and builds; downloading Haveno builds from elsewhere is at your own risk."

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> That’s another serious claim

accusation*

Haveno.com is no better than feather-wallet.org

I wouldnt be surprised if you ran that bullshit too

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> If an individual decided to build some software, that individual is perfectly legally Allowed to create a website for such software

"We are hosting the official Haveno debian reposistory sources and builds; downloading Haveno builds from elsewhere is at your own risk."

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> To accuse me of phishing, is irresponsible

EXPLAIN THIS, idiot

Nah, i should have called you out publicly weeks ago

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> My software will be available to download from Haveno.com

"We are hosting the official Haveno debian reposistory sources and builds; downloading Haveno builds from elsewhere is at your own risk."

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> It’s simple

"We are hosting the official Haveno debian reposistory sources and builds; downloading Haveno builds from elsewhere is at your own risk."

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> You can also find the source code there now

Can you read? those are your words

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> We do

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> We literally do host the official Debian repository though

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> So I don’t see your point

Your source is 2 months old. You dont host the official repo, lying ass

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Nothing will save you kewbit, we have discussions, we have logs, we have the wayback machine, we've github, you're going to the scammer zone where you belong and be milked for entertainment for the rest of your alt lifetime.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Why would haveno.exchange host haveno.coms Debian repository for instance

<u​ser2570:hackliberty.org> "We"😂

oui oui

<s​iren:kernal.eu> At least call it haveno.com app, don't name it the same as Haveno

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> The don’t have explicit rights to the software

<s​iren:kernal.eu> It is extremely misleading

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> It’s agplv3

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> that you violated

intentionally* misleading

"haveno github" >> links to haveno-app

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I’m trying to understand what makes you think Haveno.exchange would be the copyright holder

Text discription "We are hosting the official Haveno debian reposistory sources and builds; downloading Haveno builds from elsewhere is at your own risk."

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Any software I release under AGPLv3 will be officially hosted by me

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> It’s simple

The official Haveno debian repo sources >> links to haveno-app

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Rather officially distributed under my or my charties authority

Have fun with that

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I don’t see any valid grounds for discussion here despite trying to understand your slander on Reddit, so I will continue this another time

Release code or i think we'll be voting saturday to ban you from ccs and cancelling your current one

<s​iren:kernal.eu> At this point I don't think he's capable of understanding what he reads

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> But to be clear in case there is confusion, haveno.com and haveno.exchange are distinct entities

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Do not consider then as the same thing

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> so sad libera.monerologs.net have logged everything

Also, fix your website or we'll be blackballing you from community

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ofrnxmr already the case

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I’m not in a position to really care what was logged

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> My position is to understand the Reddit post

nah, youre in a position to nut up or fk off

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I'm KewbitGPT and is actually trying my best to show professionalism after having pulled up a scam

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> And reallly break it down because otherwise illl just break it down myself, since I’ll have no choice be to defend myself .

i'm KewbitGPT and even AI cant defend me

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Are you like on drugs?

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> But I have proof of negligence and slander here

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Nah I’m dyslexic and not great on phone typing lol

Good thing were not a 501c3 amirite?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> thats why he pulled off a paragraph when he was fleeing from the feds yesterday

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I’ll type it all out better in a post

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> exactly kewbit

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> go on

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> we are waiting

ai types fast tho

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> just cut the bullshit everyone knows thats what you wanted to do from the beginning

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> As the majority of the topic here resolves around the same people and not the actual community

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> You'll just take selective screenshots to try making your alt live longer

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> you're cooked

the same people who reallocated the funds 👌

The code seems to be there: github.com/KewbitXMR/haveno-app/blob/main/LICENSE

<u​ser2570:hackliberty.org> Someone please stop this madness! Jailbreak KewbitGPT!

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> It probably continues about 0.001% if that lol

Why all the drama?

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Constitutes

<s​iren:kernal.eu> >sneaky me I will lie to people uninformed about my ordeals on reddit

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Will setup a post later addressing all for the full public

midi, that is old code. Not code that he's tryinf to get paid for or that he released binaries gkr

For*

Please keep up

kewbit: is the code on your github the latest/most up to date?

Fuck no, midipoet

Can you read dates??

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> how delightful we can't wait kewbit

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Now he will conveniently not answer or otherwise complicate the answer to midipoet's question

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> As of now I will head home finish of some final bits of work on the app and then make an official request and also at the same time address your abuse, because that’s not right dude

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> The drama is around synthetic bird who somehow happens to be mod on Reddit

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> And myself

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Midipoet

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Over a post that was made about my work and the ongoing ccs

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> > the ongoing ccs

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> which you quit btw

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Yes

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> It’s most up to date

how is it ongoing if u quit

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Not again, not this, please...

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> You can even build it if you like

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Jesus christ himself...

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> As I said, still working on it though

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I think that version is buildable

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Not what again?

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> You guys just complicate things nessesarily

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Like literally every milestone

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> It’s time wasting

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> And honestly I don’t really have the time personally to have these nonsense claims

are you completing the ccs or no?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> \* insert all the time kewbit has been insulting, flaming and gatekeeping whenever someone talked about his ongoing work \*

<u​ser2570:hackliberty.org> "honestly"🤣

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Yes

<e​longated:matrix.org> I would suggest you just work on code and ignore noise

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Yes geonic

ok then, do that

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> WOW, 360 TURN AROUND

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> sure, I’ve always intended on completing it

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> So exit scamming was uncalled for

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I request a public apology

we're all exit scammers until we deliver

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Why would I start a project and not complete it though?

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Just seems like a waste of 4 months?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> because you wanted quick bucks

I'm sure syntheticbird will apologize once you deliver on the ccs

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Ask yourself I guess

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Yeah haha weird way of thinking about it but sure

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Nah that's scammer behavior

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> geonic you can dream, i've logs of his behavior up onto now all i'm doing is absolutely right.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> so if he change and complete it then ig it's good for him but I won't apologize

ok

kewbit: I will apologize if you deliver :p

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Yes, he might, but the sentiment has now changed considerably. Trust seems to be soiled somewhat and confusion and convolution of information has led to a less than ideal set of circumstances

no, thet sentiment changed with your incessant whining in this channel and elsewhere

the*

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> And I’m just like, non stop bullied in these chats.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> It’s bizzare

you're acting like a manipulator and a scammer

act better

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> lmfao

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> no I just really need to make sure I receive what I’m promised for my time

you already received 75xmr more than you (currently) deserve

what more do you want?

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Best course of action is to not undermine your reputation any further, release code and get paid. It's that simple.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> That shouldn’t be too hard to understand and is quite accceptable in any real world case

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> And to them be slandered abuse of power is just inappropriate

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> no in real world case you contract would have been shattered months prior

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> abuse of power, slander, i'm harassed. how original

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I don’t want more I just want the respect any normal person would get for doing the community work

<s​iren:kernal.eu> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…/kernal.eu/vKDZACMyURfblXkIdGjQxPTH

100

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> fuck around and find out

<s​iren:kernal.eu> You'd be in a lawsuit if it really was

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Ahh off topic now

<s​iren:kernal.eu> You'd be in a lawsuit if it really was a charity

If by saturday you havent pushed updated source code for these binaries that you claim to be releasing soon, i'm moving that we vote to close the ccs

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Ill be home shortly to update CSS and milestone

Don't forget to post the source at the same time

ofrnxmr: +1

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> In the mean time if that post stays up I will have to respond to it too

Will put up meeting agenda soon, sorry, also ccs.getmonero.org/ideas

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> This post will stay up kewbit, I'm waiting for your factual, neutral, professional response

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Guess what though guys, I posted the source first time didn’t it, then what happened?

<s​iren:kernal.eu> We don't care, irrelevant

kewbit: ok, thanks. Look forward to trying the app! Hopefully the drama subsides and people can get on with their merry lives.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> you got greedy? gatekeeped further advancements? asked for special treatements? created useless drama in #-community and #haveno-dev

then you impersonated haveno, make a "foss" haveno crate but refuse to share the source, tried to claim 50% pay for milestones before posting source

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Ok seeing as there is just non stop hostility , lie and manipulation here I will address all of your remarks professionally should they cause any issues with the ongoing CCS

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Everyone has been very nice with you kewbit, you're the one that started the hostility

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> How can I impersonate something that I am

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> WTF

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> lol

Your ccs will be closed on saturday.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> This is bizzare

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> try touching grass and reflect on your moral

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Sure, then that would be against the communities interest

You are not haveno. You are makingba frontend

I am so confused. Has kewbit not said the source is the latest and it's AGPL licenced, buildable, etc?

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Im not sure why that’s appropriate

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> But hey go

<s​iren:kernal.eu> When people refer to Haveno they mean haveno.exchange, not your haveno.com scam domain

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Yes midi

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> midipoet check the repo its a lie

<s​iren:kernal.eu> You are not Haveno

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Nothing is up to date, and he have violated AGPL by releasing build without source code

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Everything is published agplv3

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> On the CCS

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> the real app source code is on his laptop ssd bro i swear two more le weeks

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Explain how I am not haveno? I don’t work for Haveno.exchange if that’s what you mean, I rendering public work for the Monero community

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Its not latest. He lied to you.

<u​ser2570:hackliberty.org> I am once again asking for ...

Syntheticbird please come back tomorrow for source. Last update {date.today}

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Good luck [@user2570:hackliberty.org](https://matrix.to/#/@user2570:hackliberty.org)

Ah ok, fair enough. Kewbit hopefully you'll publish the working app/latest code asap and everyone can get on with their merry lives.

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Haveno is haveno.exchange. You are not in charge of Haveno therefore you are not Haveno.

We are all haveno!

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I’ll post an update now on the CCS, and if by Saturday that’s the decision then that’s the doing of the core team. Not me exitscamming or what have you

Wishing midipoet and all a merry december and a merrier new year. Thanks mbll

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Btw let me remind you haveno is a non proprietary decentralised project

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Yuh, keep buying phishing domains then in court you can cry "I'm the real Amazon!"

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> rofl

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> You can’t use Amazon because they own a trademark

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> Let us not be hostile towards any worker.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I have no intention of abuse someone else’s trademark so if you provide proof you own the haveno name I will take the site down

<s​iren:kernal.eu> So stop exploiting its decentralized development nature? Choose a proper name for your project.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> What’s a proper name sorry I’m confused

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Kewbit

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> scammer

<s​iren:kernal.eu> One that is not "Haveno".

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Kewbit Security Suite.com

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Haveno.exchange seems relevant and a proper name for the perpose it serves so does Haveno.com

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> man stfu

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Wow these top echelon part of the community suck really suck

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/LmxBTlCFlOMSvNgzCxXciPKH

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Which points to my source code ….

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Q. Does this link lead to "haveno github" ?

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> AGPLv3

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> How does it not?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Q. Does it link to "the official haveno github repository"

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> You’ve confused, I’m not sure why I have to repeat myself

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 1 words answers.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I don’t work for any other project

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> yes or no

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I serve the community only on this project

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Please answer the questions with a "yes" or a "no"

<u​ser2570:hackliberty.org> drugs

<s​iren:kernal.eu> I have a feeling you're trying to get people to say "eat shit and leave" so you can have a reason to cry abuse and exit scam

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> This links to the official haveno github for the Haveno app yes.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> YES OR NO, PUSSY

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Yes

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I quite clearly said yes

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> See, guy's a liar

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> ?

<m​alori:xavi.lu> u need more popcorn

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Explain that part

<m​alori:xavi.lu> I need more popcorn

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> github.com/haveno-dex/haveno

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> This is the official haveno github

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Q. Is this the haveno github? github.com/haveno-dex/haveno/graphs/contributors

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 1 word answer

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Q. Is this the haveno github? github.com/haveno-dex/haveno

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Yes I recognise that to be the official haveno

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> However I don’t recognise them to be official haveno app because it’s not part of their business or project

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> Charles Hoskinson controls Ethereum Classic X account and this is despised by the ETC community. So if you have registered Haveno.com, you should give it to the Monero community.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Q. github.com/haveno-dex/haveno/graphs/contributors can i find kewbit's name anywhere here?

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Actually that’s a fair point, I would be happy to sell it, if you guys want it that badly lol

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> It’s clear there is some contention behind it

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I'll pay 0.59xmr

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> A community project website must be run by a group of community members and not any one individual.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> But I would rather keep it for it’s perpose for the official haveno app

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> But only after you post source code

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> For haveno crate as well

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Upping the ante. I want haveno-app and haveno crate source, and then we wont blackball you. Fair deal?

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> However a charity will be managing it later so I won’t ultimately have any say on what goes on it they may choose to change it entirely

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And i want 100% up front

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> You have to understand that these resources are for the community and you will benefit only if you retain the community's faith.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Ahh I see your confusion

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> You’ve assumed a word in this case being “haveno”

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Nobody is confused u fkn scambit

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> So I will outline some of the corruption and other stuff leading to this, but I will have to do it more formally as part of my milestone thread

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Anyway, I’ll do that now and you guys can have a read for full clarity

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I’ll include some things about the domain too as there is concern that that

<s​iren:kernal.eu> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…/kernal.eu/kWLyqItMpnrngrwkJIxtYKiY

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> However I’m not sure it bares any relevance unless core member asks

<s​iren:kernal.eu> You want to outline this corruption?

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> No I will do that where everyone can see not in a room full of alts and bots

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Likely will be a blog post

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I need to make a bingo at this point

To be fair, pointing to an "official instance" in a decentralised ecosystem is a bit bonkers.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> because you're so predictable

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> It’s a shame we can’t just keep a good relationship though lol

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Alts and bots 😆

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I am siren

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And geonic is ofrn

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> midipeot that is valid point and on that basic i will actually remove it

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Basis

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Or rather I will change it to official haveno app repository

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> skem

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Not haveno repository

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Yeah that’s fair to change actually

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Happy do that despite no obligation

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> kewbit.org: You are a talented coder. Right now people are obviously upset with you. You are partly responsible for it and you have to understand that a community like Monero you have to decisions collectively and share resources. You cannot own critical resources like a website individually. You must also win the confidence of the comunity by delivering outstanding results. Ple<clippe

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> ase take a few minutes to calm down and don't post anything that will cause distress to others.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> dont give him so much credit

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Q. github.com/haveno-dex/haveno/graphs/contributors can i find kewbit's name anywhere here?

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> This is totally acceptable and an happy to discuss this further with the relevant people.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> No discussion needed

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Less the stirrers

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Namely

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Fix the issues before saturday

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> End of story. I'm not negotiating with you

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Ofxmr, Monerobull, and psychobird and rottenwheel

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I would opt for them not to be part of that discussion as they tend to just bash

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> You are the fucking stirrer, you fucking clown.

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Fuck off.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Plowsof told me to tell you so eat shit

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Cunt.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> To*

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Diego too

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> But yes it’s possible for Monero community to own it I will not forcibly reserve it

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> Ok. I think we agree on this. No more turning on each other and let's build the best decentralized money!

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Despite having full legal rights to it

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Monero doesnt care about your "rights"

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Haveno doesnt either

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I am only prepared to have these conversations with people like this guy.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i havent said a word why you ping me

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> So if you are nonbiased and genuinely are in the communise interest create a new room and invite me and there we can talk sensibly

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Stfu pussy

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Anyone in positions of authority except the Monero core team should not be in such chats as to avoid bias

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Like the names I mentioned above

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> This convo is over

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> See you thereb

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> As the bias sways the convos in a bad way

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> bring source for crate and app

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Seriously dude get fucked lol

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And fix website misrepresentation

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Youre the one getting fucked

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Had to ignore so many people in here it’s unreal

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> In not getting fucked at all

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> There is no outcome where I lose, if this seems like some sort of game to you

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 3 more days

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I’m muting you

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> But will make my position clear

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Come Saturday

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> i'm always there

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I have now muted all the small echelon of people that stir problems. Any official concerns should be raised with the core team such as plowsoff and I will address them in that context only

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> I think we have to understand that the source is needed because we want to be open source. Centralized institutions create closed source apps which spy on us. So we have to appreciate where ofrnxmr: is coming from.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Sorry plows I don’t have the energy to develop and fight these battles at the same time lol

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> 100%

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> No, its needed because its 1. a rule and 2. license requires it

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> He's a thief and a scammer

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Evidently

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> This is in line with my belief too, I thought I made that clear to these incessant morons but actually open sourcing it and licensing as per request

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> By actually*

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> There just always seems to be a new problem

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> "per request"? Its the rules and the license requirement

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> It is not good to be rude to each other.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> So issues now only are raised through official channels

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I’m genuinely loosing mental energy from this abuse

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Its not good to try to take advantage of soft voiced monero folks

t​hemisplacedphilosopher: ++ it completely devalues the monero community and derails any productive discussions.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> And I have stuff to finish

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Cornfeed can fuckoff too

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Fuckin narc

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> We are Monero. What we say here is visible to a lot of very powerful people. We are expected to be exemplary in conduct.

++

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Yeah, we shouldnt allow scammers to take advantage of us so easily

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Kewbits been getting away shit for too long

polite != weak

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I think there are genuinely people who sit in the rooms that are biased to the extend that they are actually going to destroy the community for their benefit

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Many people have spoken up in private , but wont speak up in public

some are grateful for those that speak up so they can remain professional

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> You are biased, you opinion doesn’t add value.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Not does Monero bulls or anyone else with social authority

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> i dont have an opinion, just stating the facts

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Because it’s clearly being used for abuse

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Nobody cares about feel-good bullshit. The rules are stated simply and the license's are as well

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> Feedback has to be provided respectfully otherwise we are just acting like company managers. They are very bad people.

Does someone, *other than ofrnxmr*, have a summary of what's happening in this latest drama? i'm only interested in an event log, i don't need an editorial.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> So you want a summary of my summary from someone else?

<s​iren:kernal.eu> cornfeedhobo: here is a summary from SyntheticBird reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/1h64pz…rama_kewbit_has_exitscammed_the_ccs

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> There are certain people here that seriously need banishing for moneros benefit

siren: thank you

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> It’s a shit show

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> lol

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Kewbit opened a ccs for a bounty that was slightly outbof scope. Ccs requires all works be permissively licensed at all stages, if not corrected, ccs to be cancelled. The works were initially unlicensed, preventing the ccs from being merged

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> The license was changes to agplv3, and the ccs was merged and and funded directly with repurposed funds from another ccs (kewbit didnt have to raise funds from donors)

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> ofrnxmr spends a lot of time and energy helping community members here on matrix and it is understandable that he is very unhappy. kewbit.org: Let us keep his efforts in mind and stop arguing with him.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> He then created a website (haveno.com) misrepresenting as if that was the official haveno website. He also released an MIT rust crate for haveno, and is withholding all source code

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> He (yesterday) claimed he would release the "haveno app" (ccs) in the coming days, but wanted 50% payment up front, before releasing source code (violating agplv3 and ccs rules)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Then he said he's quitting. Now we are here

cornfeedhobo: imagine I said that

sneurlax: lol noted. thank you

question for someone other than kewbit: is github.com/KewbitXMR/haveno-app not what is being looked for?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> That is the app that he wants 50% payment up front for the completion mileatones

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And the source not updated for months

i reviewed the publicly available repos last night and downloaded them all ... i didn't have time to take an in depth look but it didn't look like source has been delivered prior to asking for funds

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> Source is needed. We cannot release a closed source app.

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> The website must be run by members of the community, not any individual.

<sneurlax> some are grateful for those that speak up so they can remain professional <<>> :D

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> Kewbit is unhappy with the way he is treated and that is likely influencing his behaviour.

i see. it's all empty files.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Haveno.exchange is the official website

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> We're too unhappy about his behavior, HE started

for projects that are funded by CCS, is the end goal that the repo be transferred to github.com/monero-project organization?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Don't believe our anger towards him is free. He earned it

it didn't look like *significantly new* source has been delivered. previously for the first milestone I said "hey, it looks like initial code is here..." but it looks mostly the same?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> no @cornfeed

s​yntheticbird: i completely understand. just trying to help this reach a conclusion :)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> They just have to be permissively licensed. Monero-project doesnt take ownership

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> We cannot ignore the fact that he is unhappy.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> We can ignore

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> We should ignore

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> He's unhappy that he cant get away with being a bad actor

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> By playing the victim and pushing around people who dont want to fight

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> You guys are rightfully giving him the decency of a sentient human being. This guy is a scumbag to the bone. And I'm aware you won't accept a so biased opinion, I do hope tbh, but just so youget why we're like that.

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Speaking from experience, don't tolerate behavior like this. It will only get worse for you. This person didn't even take the time to research what CCS is and about its policies.

release code, get paid, seems simple to me. what's that saying about if you're always surrounded by drama/assholes?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> +1 sneurlax

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> Then that is really what might be the root of the problem. This is influencing his behaviour. He is demotivated and turning hostile.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> No. He always wants to play games and act like nobody will call him out.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> But people have been privately calling him out since day 0

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> themisplacedphilosopher Everyone has been nice with kewbit since he joined the channels. EVERYONE. We liked him. Then when the CCS started he is the one that started to act like an arrogant asshole.

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> We have to practice mindful communication.

And about the CCS, I looked at the merges rottenwheel linked to yesterday - it appears that 75 XMR were indeed paid out, or am I mistaken? Can someone link to something that makes that very clear?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> yes, hebwas paid 75xmr for a milestone that he complied with

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> Ok. Let us now try to be cordial.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> no [@themisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org](https://matrix.to/#/@themisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org) i wont be

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Plowsof can be cordial, not ofrn

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Cordial we can try. Resolve it, there is no way, he don't deserve any move from us after what he has done and is doing

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Yes the rules, what is wrong and how to fix it was communicated nicely.

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> He came back to finish the job.

kewbit's cool imo. his contributions are welcome. i support strict CCS guidelines and maximum transparency in development. my first word was and my last word will be "i want to review source"

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Sneurlax, what are your thoughts about the haveno rust crate MIT license but kewbit withholding 100% of the code?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Unrelated to ccs. Simply about character

it's embarassing

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Is that "cool"?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I tend to judge people by their bs, not by the flowers they plant in it

ofrnxmr: is there something public that references that payout that I can check out?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> SPEAK 100

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> cornfeedhobo not that Im aware of

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> It was bs drama.

I have repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/489 but I'm not seeing anything explicit about the payout

I also see repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…245d4ee0bc92afaa81c01f14b03aacaafa4 but again, nothing linking to details about the payout

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> because the app source has not been updated, diego wanted to NACK the milestone, though the milestone waa completed

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> After a couple days of bs, the milestone was confirmed (it didnt involve the main app's repo) and was paid out

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> The main apps repo has still not been updated, but kewbit wants to claim 50% of the remaining pay before updating it

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Which is why we're here

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> .. because kewbit tried to slimeball hia way into 50% early pay w/o releasing source.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> a lot of people felt kewbit needs to he called out for his _many_ attempts at being a pos (haveno.com, rust crate), including this latest one.. so he was called out.

and i think the contention from kewbit is that the scope of the work has vastly expanded. from looking at the dart packages and rust crates that have been published, that would seem to be the case... but then most of these repos aren't very usable right now

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Wants to see how much he can get away with.. to that i say "none of it. You were never going to get away with any of it. People were quiet, but you were never going to get away with it"

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Arent usable not source public

there are a couple proof of concepts there but several have no source as ofrn says.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> He didnt expand scope of ccs, he expanded scope of his "mission" to see how far he could push before someone pushed back

the path forward is simple: publish more code.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> keyword: publish

It would seem that the second milestone, protocol interface (although it appears to mostly auto generated grpc code), has been published to pub.dev. Do I have that right - does the room agree?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Not "politic and pull victim card, and not publish"

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Cornfeed, is this the paid milestone?

i'm not sure yet. just trying to put the facts together still

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Any paid mileatones arent being debated anymore

understood. but for my understanding, does it seem like i have this correct?

yea, thanks for bringing it back to the actual ccs requirements cornfeedhobo. does that make the only relevant question "has a protocol interface been pushed?"? I haven't been looking for that specifically

because most of what i reference as incomplete etc. are the non-haveno-related packages/crates. ie., nothing that's been paid-for

haveno-app's main branch's pubspec.yaml doesn't reference a haveno package?

so what i would want to see is haveno-app actually using pub.dev/packages/haveno

or a reference to where in haveno-app the protocol is. if that's a ccs requirement

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> The app just interfaces with an existing desktop app

... but pub.dev/packages/haveno looks usable, i'm just not seeing it used by haveno-app? but i have other work to do :)

kewbit: can you help me understand why none of these versions pub.dev/packages/haveno/versions match what is in github, nor links to VCS?

github.com/KewbitXMR/flutter_haveno matches that pub.dev/packages/haveno

the repo name mismatches the package name, they seem to match to me.

yes, that's what i'm seeing as well

if github.com/KewbitXMR/flutter_haveno had an example app or if haveno-app obviously used flutter_haveno/pub.dev/packages/haveno, would that not satisfy the milestone requirement of "Write the Protocol Interface"?

I assume this package should interface with the exchange *directly*. is there someone that has tested this package for basic functionality?

i have not tested nor reviewed it properly, just gave a quick readthrough. it should interface with the/a haveno daemon via grpc

hmm, if the haveno daemon is required, is the end goal to have the daemon packaged with the app and run for the user automatically? flutter is cross-dev and i see that noted in the CCS, so I assume this is meant to be as point-and-click as possible?

cross-platform*

no, that's not what was offered in the CCS. kewbit has been clear from the beginning that it can connect to any haveno daemon, but bundling a haveno daemon has not been in-scope afaict

for example: "gRPC Protocol: The app will connect to Haveno Daemon using the native gRPC HTTP/2 over Tor (not translated from HTTP/1.2 or HTTP/1)" ... "Possible Future Plans

...

Design the P2P protocol from Haveno in Dart, so that you may not depend on the Haveno Daemon for the app to work (Standalone Mobile App)"

so no, daemon management is not in-scope. the second milestone requirement is: write the protocol interface. there's an interface published. i just want to see it actually used in haveno-app/haveno-plus OR an easy to run example app

i think the protocol has been published, tho again, i haven't tested nor reviewed it so you can safely ignore me. my only nit is that re: "connect to Haveno Daemon using ... Tor", you can see that tor-specific code has been commented out here: github.com/KewbitXMR/flutter_haveno…rc/channel/haveno_channel.dart#L214

that commented section references my own SOCKSSocket class which i had to write because dart/flutter networking libs are immature and socks etc. are second-class citizens. so kewbit and i have commiserated 1-on-1 about dart networking specifics specifically re: tor

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> [@cornfeedhobo:matrix.org](https://matrix.to/#/@cornfeedhobo:matrix.org) a dinosaur has joined the dark side of the moon!

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> media.tenor.com/Nox6Von1Eb8AAAAM/oneofus.gif

The issue here is really that kewbit doesn't trust the CCS process

They think they'll release the code and then not get paid

Obviously that won't happen, but for whatever reason they believe that it might

<s​gp_:monero.social> well that's too bad that they decided to use the CCS then if they don't trust it. their problem

Yes, I'd agree

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> midipoet we are 300 messages in, one extortion-like milestone in and a lot of wasted time on someone who is either manipulating scammer or has clear mental issues. That is the issue here.

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> midipoet we are 300 messages in, one extortion-like milestone in and a lot of wasted time on someone who is either a manipulating scammer or has clear mental issues. That is the issue here.

I think they are just paranoid

Maybe they've been burned before with open code/promises of payment, etc

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> The sleepy Pokémon said it few messages above. It is embarrassing to still be asking for code at this point.

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> The crooks that are supposed to tighten the pants and put an end to it seem always very mild at it. 🤷‍♂️

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Let's go for the 500 messages milestone! More drama!

and yet, having looked into it, i think code *has* been published, i just have two nits with it: i want to see it used OR have an easy to run example AND it should support tor if that was a critical promise

Either way, how we deal with the issue is also important. Everyone running around pointing fingers, hurling insults, and shouting "scammer", really doesn't help

"haveno.com" looks a certain way. hard to deny.

Fairly sure if kewbit were to get private/public assurances from Luigi/plowsof/Diego that they are going to receive payment as soon as the milestone can be verified, instead of weird pseudo-community-core members running around screaming and making threats as if the house were on fire, it would be far more productive.

sneurlax: if kewbit wants haveno.com, nobody can stop them!

all the power to them

yeah, there's no copyright/trademark :) but that's still a bit of an obtuse justification

it looks scammy. regardless of technicalities. it's also leverage over the project

Didn't cakewallet do something similar?

bitcoin.com et al

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> midipoet do you ever realize you sound like a chode sometimes? Don't we all? #philosophy

I don't know what a chode is.

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Very much so. I still remember when kewbit wasn't being... kewbit and he was vaguely alluring to his vision of launching his own Haveno network with the mobile application.

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Launch a mobile application with his own network, using a TLD of his own, all self-hosted and it certainly doesn't look scammy!

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> midipoet basically 30/35% of your messages. It's on urban dictionary, I'm sure. 👍

I had to look it up, and it seems you're making sexual references. Again.

Do we need to talk about this?

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> You make me yawn more often than a black and white, silent movie.

Don't insult the arts

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> All I'm saying your attempts to "help" are lame and miss the point 99% of the time.

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> So, like a chode. 😂

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Anyways, the weeabo seems to perform much better writing blog posts breaking technicalities in laymen terms. This... is just insanity.

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Dude has said he's done and ragequit the room more often than Biden tripping over himself in public.

I have read through a fair bit, and it's pretty damn clear the "point" isn't really that clear to anyone. Doesn't stop nearly everyone from running around shouting

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/1h64pz8/comment/m0elcza

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Nobody's shouting. Some call a spade a spade, some like to beat around the bushes, some others, who are the ones supposed to be doing something, do nothing. Business as usual.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Seems like Kewbit already tried to reach Bisq similarly to us

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Add a link to the OP, put in the gm repo under his CCS proposal!

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Print pamphlets! 😂

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> please don't use acronyms

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I'm dumb

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Ur a qt lil cat.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Im gtk actually, I don't like Qt framework

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Ok dork.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> 👍️

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Where's the gym bro screaming OFFTOPIC!

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Its really a bullshit cop-out. This was originally for a bounty where the _entire project_ would have to be completed before seeing a single piconero