<3​21bob321:monero.social> Monero legal will be in touch

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Also isnt the haveno repos pointing to there own

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> At best, his behavior is showing you he isn't actually interested in the CCS money, because otherwise he would have applied to the rule. The mistake here was to discuss with him and adapt an exception with this guy.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Ok that’s the decision made then

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ah yeah because 45 min is perfect to get a decision

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> just for the record of course

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Mm? None of us controls the CCS.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> We're just the public and we're allowed to have an opinion.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Then guy someone who does!

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Get*

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> You need to ask Luigi, who actually controls the CCS.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> If you really think imma scam you after all this I give up

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Just keep the css money

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> SEE

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Please respond to what I said above about how you are literally going back on your word?

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> tried to do so much more than what was proposed

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> tried to manipulate you so much*

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I have been bullied and manipulated through the entire process causing endure stress

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> yeah yeah im the victim

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> spare the bullshit

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> You literally said after the first payment there wouldn't be more of this.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Several times.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> weren't you supposed to be run by the feds

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> And the reasons for that are mostly selfish ones

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Many times.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Spare the app

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> weren't you supposed to be runing from the feds

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Literally said, might I remind.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Your own words.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> How is pointing you to your own words bullying?

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> It’s over I no long wish to serve Monero

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Getting bang banged again

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> How is pointing you to your own words bullying?

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Very reasonable request

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> How is pointing you to your own words bullying?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> guess my hypothesis was right

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> he would have took the money and gtfo anyway

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> he would have took the upfront money and gtfo anyway

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> woodser your thoughts?

<e​longated:matrix.org> Wtf first Kayab now this

<e​longated:matrix.org> Who is pulling the trigger

<d​arkhappyman:monero.social> What happened ?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Who are these randoms

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Is this about the same issue as last time with meeting milestones?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> darkhappyman start from here ^

<d​arkhappyman:monero.social> Thanks

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Ccs rule everything needs to be permissive and not gate keep

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> cc ofrnxmr

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Do we have the code from the first milestone?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Nope

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> nvm Diego Salazar: github.com/KewbitXMR/haveno-app/tree/development

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Will you ever actually do that instead of polluting the room every X days with dozens and dozens of retarded messages over and over again?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> he quit

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Or you get a boner by doing that every time you feel like? Just curious.

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Finally. Thank god.

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> He did scam us out of 15 XMR, oh my goodness! repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…245d4ee0bc92afaa81c01f14b03aacaafa4

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> 75*

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> > done: 13 October 2024

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> > status: finished

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> oh

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Only milestone 1 looks paid. repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/489

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Should've been 75, though, weird. Might have to do with whatever agreement he reached with Diégo and associates.

<a​remor:matrix.org> Luke ok?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> stepped back from several post he had in the monero community. It was too much.

<p​rivacyx:monero.social> He only done one of milestones

<a​remor:matrix.org> Hmm which ones?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> MAGIC commitee and FCMP++ integration and MRL future research

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> He is still a co-chair regarding FCMP++, developing Serai DEX and co-chair of monero-oxide.

<a​remor:matrix.org> And still doing the important stuff. Sounds good

<a​remor:matrix.org> What’s Monero-oxide?

<a​remor:matrix.org> So still doing the important stuff. Sounds good

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> modern and audited Rust monero library

<u​ser2570:hackliberty.org> Dear Dart & Flutter developers,

<u​ser2570:hackliberty.org> Feel free to take over the development of Haveno DEX mobile / cross-plattform app, exit-scammed by one and only Kewbit and his imaginary Feds.

<u​ser2570:hackliberty.org> Use the opportunity to win the Bounty + CCS, by actually delivering some results.

<u​ser2570:hackliberty.org> bounties.monero.social/posts/126/36…n-source-android-app-for-haveno-dex

<u​ser2570:hackliberty.org> ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/haveno-…atform-native-app-for-every-os.html

<u​ser2570:hackliberty.org> Good luck!

<a​remor:matrix.org> Link the repos / sync the repos before he deletes them all

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> did cloned haveno-app

<u​ser2570:hackliberty.org> Dear Dart & Flutter developers,

<u​ser2570:hackliberty.org> Feel free to take over the development of Haveno DEX mobile / cross-plattform app, exit-scammed by one and only Kewbit and his imaginary Feds.

<u​ser2570:hackliberty.org> Use the opportunity to win the Bounty + CCS, by actually delivering some results.

<u​ser2570:hackliberty.org> bounties.monero.social/posts/126/36…n-source-android-app-for-haveno-dex

<u​ser2570:hackliberty.org> ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/haveno-…atform-native-app-for-every-os.html

<u​ser2570:hackliberty.org> github.com/KewbitXMR/haveno-app

<u​ser2570:hackliberty.org> git.haveno.com/haveno

<u​ser2570:hackliberty.org> Good luck!

<u​ser2570:hackliberty.org> Dear Dart & Flutter developers,

<u​ser2570:hackliberty.org> Feel free to take over the development of Haveno DEX mobile / cross-plattform app, exit-scammed by one and only Kewbit and his imaginary Feds.

<u​ser2570:hackliberty.org> Use the opportunity to win the Bounty + CCS, by actually delivering some results.

<u​ser2570:hackliberty.org> bounties.monero.social/posts/126/36…n-source-android-app-for-haveno-dex

<u​ser2570:hackliberty.org> ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/haveno-…atform-native-app-for-every-os.html

<u​ser2570:hackliberty.org> github.com/KewbitXMR/haveno-app

<u​ser2570:hackliberty.org> git.haveno.com/haveno

<u​ser2570:hackliberty.org> pub.dev/packages/haveno

<u​ser2570:hackliberty.org> hub.docker.com/u/havenodex

<u​ser2570:hackliberty.org> Good luck!

<p​rivacyx:monero.social> If ready bro then release it so we can test it out, did you not recieve payment from css 75xmr ? And in regards to the bounty the conditions were it needs to be tested by the community before payment is made. I even personally reached out to you asked you send it to me i test it out this was weeks ago. You said you will send it and then disappeared and didnt hear back from you nor<clipped message>

<p​rivacyx:monero.social> did you give me any access to test it out this is worrying you can understand cant you?

<p​rivacyx:monero.social> Why did i bother to reply prick left the room

<u​ser2570:hackliberty.org> Dear Dart & Flutter developers,

<u​ser2570:hackliberty.org> Feel free to take over the development of Haveno DEX mobile / cross-plattform app, exit-scammed by one and only Kewbit and his imaginary Feds.

<u​ser2570:hackliberty.org> Use the opportunity to win the Bounty + CCS, by actually delivering some results.

<u​ser2570:hackliberty.org> bounties.monero.social/posts/126/36…n-source-android-app-for-haveno-dex

<u​ser2570:hackliberty.org> ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/haveno-…atform-native-app-for-every-os.html

<u​ser2570:hackliberty.org> github.com/KewbitXMR/haveno-app

<u​ser2570:hackliberty.org> git.haveno.com/haveno

<u​ser2570:hackliberty.org> pub.dev/packages/haveno

<u​ser2570:hackliberty.org> Good luck!

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Is this the fake haveno domains we saw a while ago rbrunner found?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> the payout shows 75 awarded?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> where does it say otherwise?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> lol mebbe CS

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Honestly, I should have stuck to my guns instead of listening to people and recommended not even the first payment went out

<a​remor:matrix.org> How’d he get 75?

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Screaming crying throwing up

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Because he did technically complete one of the milestones

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> he was just an ass about it and demanded special treatment in regards to the CCS rules and how and when he got paid out

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> after lots of questions about why (which he took as bullying) it was ultimately determined that he did complete the first milestone so it would be paid out. And he insisted (several times) that if we accommodated his demands this one time that he would not request special treatment further because trust between him and the CCS would be established

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> next frame: he wants special treatment again

<3​21bob321:monero.social> We are not inclusive here

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Plz eat cement and harden up

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Does it say 15 or 75? [@diego:cypherstack.com](https://matrix.to/#/@diego:cypherstack.com)

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> I hadn't read this lol.

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Ah, yes. I think I see now. The 15 milestone wasn't the one marked as done, just happens to be right below the 1st one that should've been 75.

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…dacted.org/hzbYCwBgphIlorTMztBzFpTq

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Honestly, I should have stuck to my guns instead of listening to people and recommended not even the first payment went out <= nah, you did the right thing

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> ye after sitting for an hour I think you right. He completed the milestone.

scammers will scam. our reputation is worth more than 75 xmr.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> tldr: no source, no pay

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Trust me bruh

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> There are disputes in centralized institutions and the worker usually loses. Let's hope the Monero community can resolve disputes in a fair manner. I haven't much idea what has happened but I hope good faith and fair dealing will prevail.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> last time it was i completed the app, but wont release cause i want to be paid

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> The fair manner is: follow the rules and license. The relevant source code for milestones being claimed must be released before a payout, not after. There's nothing to negotiate.

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> Looks like Kewbit is gone anyways. Why don't we find developers on Fiver? Or we could place an ad on some website.

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> We could actually get some people to develop a platform like Paxful.

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Either way, looks like plowsof and associates gotta look for someone to repurpose the funds from that proposal soon^(tm).

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Mebbe Digilol's Kotlin guy can help? cc. Siren

<3​21bob321:monero.social> so kewbit is dumping the ccs?

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Dan (Is not the man & Braxman Tomsparks Advocate) Backup: I am hoping even if he tries to come back, we tell him to piss off. Fool me once, alright, fool me twice, I guess alright... fool me thrice... I am retarded.

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> Sometimes people may have reasons to just leave

If everyone was asleep none of this would have happened

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> plowsof are you a sleep doctor now!?

I advise more sleep for all patients, lets see where kewbits is at tomorrow, he can comment the actual request under his CCS so its definitive, woodser should be kept up to date on this (being the lead dev)

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Ok, doctor.

<p​rivacyx:monero.social> OI believe kewbit has withdrawn from project completely as per his messages he feels bullied etc plus he got issues with the Feds or something and he even left this room. I dont know if this just all talk or he actually withdrawing but this getting ridicolous. And based on woodsers comment made today he a bit skeptical that this app can be done so Im not sure how kewbit is using w<clipped message>

<p​rivacyx:monero.social> oodser as his advocate on this. 75 xmr has been paid out on css so far.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> what did woodser say?

<p​rivacyx:monero.social> His exact words were:

<p​rivacyx:monero.social> well that would be a holy grail. honestly I don't see how it's feasible without rewriting the codebase, but would love to be proven wrong by kewbit.org

<p​rivacyx:monero.social> This was in reply to question about the standlone mobile app

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> If we delay long enough, 75 XMR could be worth $75K.

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Could but we can't accept anonymous donations

<p​rivacyx:monero.social> I hope Im wrong and its all a horrible misunderstanding

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> sgp_: could help in this case through MAGIC, me thinks.

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> syntheticbird has another plan reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/1h64pz…rama_kewbit_has_exitscammed_the_ccs

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I hate this kind of drama people. I've already seen two of them destroy projects before I joined the monero community by scratching the rules and pissing off every single one individually but not collectively so that they can call to harassment. f*ck around and find out.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Nioc popcorn plz

<4​rkal:monero.social> New dmvp2p release just dropped. github.com/4rkal/dmvp2p/releases/tag/beta-v0.02

<4​rkal:monero.social> Would love to get some feedback on it!

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Nioc popcorn plz >> 🍿🍿🍿

so there is no haveno app? that's a pity

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Lol kewbit.org/my-software

AI backrooms?

kewbit is going to gather his thoughts and post a ccs comment for the community to discuss

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> let's hope his comment address the haveno.com website

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> cakewallet deprecating fdroid and moving to accrescentapp xcancel.com/tuxpizza/status/1864163170123665746

<u​ser2570:hackliberty.org> Kewbit be like

<u​ser2570:hackliberty.org> youtube.com/watch?v=J0gXiGYADw8

i am doubly confused now.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> [@vikrants:monero.social](https://matrix.to/#/@vikrants:monero.social) .....

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> fwiw its a reasonable stance

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Daniel Micay might looks like Kewbit he is right regarding the security of F-Droid.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Sounds like bs reason

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Its a personal fdroid repo. They literally just drop their github apk into it.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> People asked for like 2yrs for fdroid, and then overnight tux decides to remove it and tell me to use accresent? Why tf would i

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> else telling me to give github my download metrics? Why tf would i

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> this is totally retarded

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> oh I didn't know it was their own custom repo

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Yeah. Cake isnt in f-droid.org's main repo

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> and Accresent doesn't use cake's normal signature.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> my choices

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 1. Download from github, giving github my download metrics

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 2. Download from gplay

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 3. Download from accresent, which requires 1. another app store and 2. Backup and uninstall of my current cake signed wallet

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I'd very much like to know what the major issue is with maintaining the cake f-droid repo.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Monerujo, stack, molly, cromite, briar, and many many others host their own repos. Accresent has like 8 apps

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> SynthethicBird, can I kindly request that you remove your post, it’s misleading

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> The one on Reddit

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> As most of it is untrue

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> And pretty uncalled for too

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Otherwise I may have to sell this (and a bunch of other work I’ve done in good faith to someone else as the CCS is very much based on community sentiment which you’ve unreasonably soiled

100% called for

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> That’s totally against what I wanted to do

Explain haveno.com

Explain the sourceless MIT haveno crate

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Okay let’s break it down then

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> No, first explain “exit scamming”

Your verbal intentions dont align with your actions

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Then I will explain haveno.com

Nah fuck explaining the exit scam. We can just exit

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Not part of the CCS relevant

Explain the misrepresentation on haveno.com

yeah, your ccs is a dead convo. Release source or stfu

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> If we can start by explaining exit scamming

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Then we can move on to other stuff

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Because that’s the more serious concern

Now were talking about haveno.com and MIT haveno rust crate with no source avail

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> It’s not revelvsnt to this topic

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> cut the bullshit kewbit, no one's believing you, you're just trying to make some selective screenshot for whatever blog post of *I'm the victim* text you're going to throw to continue your scams

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Funny that you think we care

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Haveno.com exists as a way to ensure that the community is never scammed or centralised by authoritative individuals or companies. I have since passed this responsibility over, to a third party I’ll talk more about haveno.com later on but I for now would like to stick to the topic of discussion

I just want to know is there a haveno app/front end, and will it see the light of day in a FOSS manner? The drama is just some weird sadomasochism

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I have a some release notes due out on that you’ll have to wait for them

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Essentially in a few days times that will be governed by an entity rather than an individual

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> midipoet, will never happen, kewbit has been working on a variety of other stupid scams while under his CCS. He onl care about profit

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Rest assured Haveno.com is definitely in the communities interest

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> cringing so hard

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> And this will be provable beyond reasonable doubt

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Haveno.com looks horrid

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Scams? Which pet are you crying through?

Haveno.com lies about being haveno.exchange

kewbit: the app is going to haveno.com? Will the code be open source?

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Im confused

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> indeed you need meds kewbit

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> What does any of this have to do with the claims you’ve made

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Oooooh, I remember how haveno.exchange looked like so I was thinking who fucked their shit up this bad...

"We are hosting the official Haveno debian reposistory sources and builds; downloading Haveno builds from elsewhere is at your own risk."

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Haveno.exchange is ran by the core Monero team

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> IT ISNT

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> LMFAO

You host the official haveno source repo??

Haveno.exchange is ran by woodser, ya fuckin idiot

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Haveno.com had alternative goals which it is entitled to have but does not relate at all to this

"We are hosting the official Haveno debian reposistory sources and builds; downloading Haveno builds from elsewhere is at your own risk."

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Yeah

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I know

Explain this line of phishing

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> There is a clear distinction already

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> of course you know you're the one pulling the scam

"We are hosting the official Haveno debian reposistory sources and builds; downloading Haveno builds from elsewhere is at your own risk."

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Phishing?

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Please provide evidence

Where is the clear disctinction

"We are hosting the official Haveno debian reposistory sources and builds; downloading Haveno builds from elsewhere is at your own risk."

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> That’s another serious claim

accusation*

Haveno.com is no better than feather-wallet.org

I wouldnt be surprised if you ran that bullshit too

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> If an individual decided to build some software, that individual is perfectly legally Allowed to create a website for such software

"We are hosting the official Haveno debian reposistory sources and builds; downloading Haveno builds from elsewhere is at your own risk."

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> To accuse me of phishing, is irresponsible

EXPLAIN THIS, idiot

Nah, i should have called you out publicly weeks ago

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> My software will be available to download from Haveno.com

"We are hosting the official Haveno debian reposistory sources and builds; downloading Haveno builds from elsewhere is at your own risk."

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> It’s simple

"We are hosting the official Haveno debian reposistory sources and builds; downloading Haveno builds from elsewhere is at your own risk."

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> You can also find the source code there now

Can you read? those are your words

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> We do

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> We literally do host the official Debian repository though

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> So I don’t see your point

Your source is 2 months old. You dont host the official repo, lying ass

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Nothing will save you kewbit, we have discussions, we have logs, we have the wayback machine, we've github, you're going to the scammer zone where you belong and be milked for entertainment for the rest of your alt lifetime.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Why would haveno.exchange host haveno.coms Debian repository for instance

<u​ser2570:hackliberty.org> "We"😂

oui oui

<s​iren:kernal.eu> At least call it haveno.com app, don't name it the same as Haveno

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> The don’t have explicit rights to the software

<s​iren:kernal.eu> It is extremely misleading

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> It’s agplv3

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> that you violated

intentionally* misleading

"haveno github" >> links to haveno-app

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I’m trying to understand what makes you think Haveno.exchange would be the copyright holder

Text discription "We are hosting the official Haveno debian reposistory sources and builds; downloading Haveno builds from elsewhere is at your own risk."

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Any software I release under AGPLv3 will be officially hosted by me

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> It’s simple

The official Haveno debian repo sources >> links to haveno-app

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Rather officially distributed under my or my charties authority

Have fun with that

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I don’t see any valid grounds for discussion here despite trying to understand your slander on Reddit, so I will continue this another time

Release code or i think we'll be voting saturday to ban you from ccs and cancelling your current one

<s​iren:kernal.eu> At this point I don't think he's capable of understanding what he reads

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> But to be clear in case there is confusion, haveno.com and haveno.exchange are distinct entities

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Do not consider then as the same thing

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> so sad libera.monerologs.net have logged everything

Also, fix your website or we'll be blackballing you from community

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ofrnxmr already the case

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I’m not in a position to really care what was logged

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> My position is to understand the Reddit post

nah, youre in a position to nut up or fk off

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I'm KewbitGPT and is actually trying my best to show professionalism after having pulled up a scam

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> And reallly break it down because otherwise illl just break it down myself, since I’ll have no choice be to defend myself .

i'm KewbitGPT and even AI cant defend me

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Are you like on drugs?

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> But I have proof of negligence and slander here

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Nah I’m dyslexic and not great on phone typing lol

Good thing were not a 501c3 amirite?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> thats why he pulled off a paragraph when he was fleeing from the feds yesterday

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I’ll type it all out better in a post

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> exactly kewbit

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> go on

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> we are waiting

ai types fast tho

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> just cut the bullshit everyone knows thats what you wanted to do from the beginning

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> As the majority of the topic here resolves around the same people and not the actual community

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> You'll just take selective screenshots to try making your alt live longer

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> you're cooked

the same people who reallocated the funds 👌

The code seems to be there: github.com/KewbitXMR/haveno-app/blob/main/LICENSE

<u​ser2570:hackliberty.org> Someone please stop this madness! Jailbreak KewbitGPT!

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> It probably continues about 0.001% if that lol

Why all the drama?

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Constitutes

<s​iren:kernal.eu> >sneaky me I will lie to people uninformed about my ordeals on reddit

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Will setup a post later addressing all for the full public

midi, that is old code. Not code that he's tryinf to get paid for or that he released binaries gkr

For*

Please keep up

kewbit: is the code on your github the latest/most up to date?

Fuck no, midipoet

Can you read dates??

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> how delightful we can't wait kewbit

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Now he will conveniently not answer or otherwise complicate the answer to midipoet's question

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> As of now I will head home finish of some final bits of work on the app and then make an official request and also at the same time address your abuse, because that’s not right dude

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> The drama is around synthetic bird who somehow happens to be mod on Reddit

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> And myself

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Midipoet

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Over a post that was made about my work and the ongoing ccs

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> > the ongoing ccs

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> which you quit btw

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Yes

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> It’s most up to date

how is it ongoing if u quit

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Not again, not this, please...

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> You can even build it if you like

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Jesus christ himself...

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> As I said, still working on it though

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I think that version is buildable

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Not what again?

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> You guys just complicate things nessesarily

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Like literally every milestone

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> It’s time wasting

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> And honestly I don’t really have the time personally to have these nonsense claims

are you completing the ccs or no?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> \* insert all the time kewbit has been insulting, flaming and gatekeeping whenever someone talked about his ongoing work \*

<u​ser2570:hackliberty.org> "honestly"🤣

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Yes

<e​longated:matrix.org> I would suggest you just work on code and ignore noise

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Yes geonic

ok then, do that

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> WOW, 360 TURN AROUND

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> sure, I’ve always intended on completing it

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> So exit scamming was uncalled for

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I request a public apology

we're all exit scammers until we deliver

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Why would I start a project and not complete it though?

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Just seems like a waste of 4 months?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> because you wanted quick bucks

I'm sure syntheticbird will apologize once you deliver on the ccs

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Ask yourself I guess

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Yeah haha weird way of thinking about it but sure

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Nah that's scammer behavior

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> geonic you can dream, i've logs of his behavior up onto now all i'm doing is absolutely right.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> so if he change and complete it then ig it's good for him but I won't apologize

ok

kewbit: I will apologize if you deliver :p

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Yes, he might, but the sentiment has now changed considerably. Trust seems to be soiled somewhat and confusion and convolution of information has led to a less than ideal set of circumstances

no, thet sentiment changed with your incessant whining in this channel and elsewhere

the*

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> And I’m just like, non stop bullied in these chats.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> It’s bizzare

you're acting like a manipulator and a scammer

act better

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> lmfao

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> no I just really need to make sure I receive what I’m promised for my time

you already received 75xmr more than you (currently) deserve

what more do you want?

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Best course of action is to not undermine your reputation any further, release code and get paid. It's that simple.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> That shouldn’t be too hard to understand and is quite accceptable in any real world case

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> And to them be slandered abuse of power is just inappropriate

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> no in real world case you contract would have been shattered months prior

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> abuse of power, slander, i'm harassed. how original

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I don’t want more I just want the respect any normal person would get for doing the community work

<s​iren:kernal.eu> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…/kernal.eu/vKDZACMyURfblXkIdGjQxPTH

100

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> fuck around and find out

<s​iren:kernal.eu> You'd be in a lawsuit if it really was

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Ahh off topic now

<s​iren:kernal.eu> You'd be in a lawsuit if it really was a charity

If by saturday you havent pushed updated source code for these binaries that you claim to be releasing soon, i'm moving that we vote to close the ccs

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Ill be home shortly to update CSS and milestone

Don't forget to post the source at the same time

ofrnxmr: +1

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> In the mean time if that post stays up I will have to respond to it too

Will put up meeting agenda soon, sorry, also ccs.getmonero.org/ideas

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> This post will stay up kewbit, I'm waiting for your factual, neutral, professional response

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Guess what though guys, I posted the source first time didn’t it, then what happened?

<s​iren:kernal.eu> We don't care, irrelevant

kewbit: ok, thanks. Look forward to trying the app! Hopefully the drama subsides and people can get on with their merry lives.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> you got greedy? gatekeeped further advancements? asked for special treatements? created useless drama in #-community and #haveno-dev

then you impersonated haveno, make a "foss" haveno crate but refuse to share the source, tried to claim 50% pay for milestones before posting source

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Ok seeing as there is just non stop hostility , lie and manipulation here I will address all of your remarks professionally should they cause any issues with the ongoing CCS

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Everyone has been very nice with you kewbit, you're the one that started the hostility

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> How can I impersonate something that I am

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> WTF

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> lol

Your ccs will be closed on saturday.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> This is bizzare

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> try touching grass and reflect on your moral

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Sure, then that would be against the communities interest

You are not haveno. You are makingba frontend

I am so confused. Has kewbit not said the source is the latest and it's AGPL licenced, buildable, etc?

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Im not sure why that’s appropriate

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> But hey go

<s​iren:kernal.eu> When people refer to Haveno they mean haveno.exchange, not your haveno.com scam domain

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Yes midi

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> midipoet check the repo its a lie

<s​iren:kernal.eu> You are not Haveno

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Nothing is up to date, and he have violated AGPL by releasing build without source code

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Everything is published agplv3

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> On the CCS

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> the real app source code is on his laptop ssd bro i swear two more le weeks

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Explain how I am not haveno? I don’t work for Haveno.exchange if that’s what you mean, I rendering public work for the Monero community

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Its not latest. He lied to you.

<u​ser2570:hackliberty.org> I am once again asking for ...

Syntheticbird please come back tomorrow for source. Last update {date.today}

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Good luck [@user2570:hackliberty.org](https://matrix.to/#/@user2570:hackliberty.org)

Ah ok, fair enough. Kewbit hopefully you'll publish the working app/latest code asap and everyone can get on with their merry lives.

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Haveno is haveno.exchange. You are not in charge of Haveno therefore you are not Haveno.

We are all haveno!

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I’ll post an update now on the CCS, and if by Saturday that’s the decision then that’s the doing of the core team. Not me exitscamming or what have you

Wishing midipoet and all a merry december and a merrier new year. Thanks mbll

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Btw let me remind you haveno is a non proprietary decentralised project

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Yuh, keep buying phishing domains then in court you can cry "I'm the real Amazon!"

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> rofl

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> You can’t use Amazon because they own a trademark

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> Let us not be hostile towards any worker.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I have no intention of abuse someone else’s trademark so if you provide proof you own the haveno name I will take the site down

<s​iren:kernal.eu> So stop exploiting its decentralized development nature? Choose a proper name for your project.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> What’s a proper name sorry I’m confused

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Kewbit

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> scammer

<s​iren:kernal.eu> One that is not "Haveno".

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Kewbit Security Suite.com

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Haveno.exchange seems relevant and a proper name for the perpose it serves so does Haveno.com

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> man stfu

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Wow these top echelon part of the community suck really suck

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/LmxBTlCFlOMSvNgzCxXciPKH

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Which points to my source code ….

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Q. Does this link lead to "haveno github" ?

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> AGPLv3

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> How does it not?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Q. Does it link to "the official haveno github repository"

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> You’ve confused, I’m not sure why I have to repeat myself

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 1 words answers.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I don’t work for any other project

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> yes or no

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I serve the community only on this project

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Please answer the questions with a "yes" or a "no"

<u​ser2570:hackliberty.org> drugs

<s​iren:kernal.eu> I have a feeling you're trying to get people to say "eat shit and leave" so you can have a reason to cry abuse and exit scam

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> This links to the official haveno github for the Haveno app yes.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> YES OR NO, PUSSY

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Yes

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I quite clearly said yes

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> See, guy's a liar

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> ?

<m​alori:xavi.lu> u need more popcorn

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Explain that part

<m​alori:xavi.lu> I need more popcorn

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> github.com/haveno-dex/haveno

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> This is the official haveno github

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Q. Is this the haveno github? github.com/haveno-dex/haveno/graphs/contributors

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 1 word answer

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Q. Is this the haveno github? github.com/haveno-dex/haveno

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Yes I recognise that to be the official haveno

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> However I don’t recognise them to be official haveno app because it’s not part of their business or project

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> Charles Hoskinson controls Ethereum Classic X account and this is despised by the ETC community. So if you have registered Haveno.com, you should give it to the Monero community.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Q. github.com/haveno-dex/haveno/graphs/contributors can i find kewbit's name anywhere here?

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Actually that’s a fair point, I would be happy to sell it, if you guys want it that badly lol

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> It’s clear there is some contention behind it

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I'll pay 0.59xmr

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> A community project website must be run by a group of community members and not any one individual.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> But I would rather keep it for it’s perpose for the official haveno app

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> But only after you post source code

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> For haveno crate as well

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Upping the ante. I want haveno-app and haveno crate source, and then we wont blackball you. Fair deal?

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> However a charity will be managing it later so I won’t ultimately have any say on what goes on it they may choose to change it entirely

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And i want 100% up front

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> You have to understand that these resources are for the community and you will benefit only if you retain the community's faith.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Ahh I see your confusion

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> You’ve assumed a word in this case being “haveno”

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Nobody is confused u fkn scambit

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> So I will outline some of the corruption and other stuff leading to this, but I will have to do it more formally as part of my milestone thread

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Anyway, I’ll do that now and you guys can have a read for full clarity

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I’ll include some things about the domain too as there is concern that that

<s​iren:kernal.eu> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…/kernal.eu/kWLyqItMpnrngrwkJIxtYKiY

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> However I’m not sure it bares any relevance unless core member asks

<s​iren:kernal.eu> You want to outline this corruption?

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> No I will do that where everyone can see not in a room full of alts and bots

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Likely will be a blog post

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I need to make a bingo at this point

To be fair, pointing to an "official instance" in a decentralised ecosystem is a bit bonkers.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> because you're so predictable

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> It’s a shame we can’t just keep a good relationship though lol

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Alts and bots 😆

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I am siren

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And geonic is ofrn

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> midipeot that is valid point and on that basic i will actually remove it

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Basis

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Or rather I will change it to official haveno app repository

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> skem

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Not haveno repository

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Yeah that’s fair to change actually

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Happy do that despite no obligation

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> kewbit.org: You are a talented coder. Right now people are obviously upset with you. You are partly responsible for it and you have to understand that a community like Monero you have to decisions collectively and share resources. You cannot own critical resources like a website individually. You must also win the confidence of the comunity by delivering outstanding results. Ple<clippe

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> ase take a few minutes to calm down and don't post anything that will cause distress to others.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> dont give him so much credit

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Q. github.com/haveno-dex/haveno/graphs/contributors can i find kewbit's name anywhere here?

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> This is totally acceptable and an happy to discuss this further with the relevant people.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> No discussion needed

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Less the stirrers

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Namely

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Fix the issues before saturday

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> End of story. I'm not negotiating with you

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Ofxmr, Monerobull, and psychobird and rottenwheel

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I would opt for them not to be part of that discussion as they tend to just bash

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> You are the fucking stirrer, you fucking clown.

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Fuck off.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Plowsof told me to tell you so eat shit

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Cunt.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> To*

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Diego too

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> But yes it’s possible for Monero community to own it I will not forcibly reserve it

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> Ok. I think we agree on this. No more turning on each other and let's build the best decentralized money!

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Despite having full legal rights to it

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Monero doesnt care about your "rights"

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Haveno doesnt either

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I am only prepared to have these conversations with people like this guy.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i havent said a word why you ping me

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> So if you are nonbiased and genuinely are in the communise interest create a new room and invite me and there we can talk sensibly

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Stfu pussy

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Anyone in positions of authority except the Monero core team should not be in such chats as to avoid bias

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Like the names I mentioned above

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> This convo is over

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> See you thereb

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> As the bias sways the convos in a bad way

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> bring source for crate and app

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Seriously dude get fucked lol

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And fix website misrepresentation

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Youre the one getting fucked

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Had to ignore so many people in here it’s unreal

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> In not getting fucked at all

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> There is no outcome where I lose, if this seems like some sort of game to you

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 3 more days

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I’m muting you

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> But will make my position clear

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Come Saturday

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> i'm always there

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I have now muted all the small echelon of people that stir problems. Any official concerns should be raised with the core team such as plowsoff and I will address them in that context only

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> I think we have to understand that the source is needed because we want to be open source. Centralized institutions create closed source apps which spy on us. So we have to appreciate where ofrnxmr: is coming from.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Sorry plows I don’t have the energy to develop and fight these battles at the same time lol

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> 100%

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> No, its needed because its 1. a rule and 2. license requires it

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> He's a thief and a scammer

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Evidently

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> This is in line with my belief too, I thought I made that clear to these incessant morons but actually open sourcing it and licensing as per request

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> By actually*

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> There just always seems to be a new problem

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> "per request"? Its the rules and the license requirement

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> It is not good to be rude to each other.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> So issues now only are raised through official channels

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I’m genuinely loosing mental energy from this abuse

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Its not good to try to take advantage of soft voiced monero folks

t​hemisplacedphilosopher: ++ it completely devalues the monero community and derails any productive discussions.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> And I have stuff to finish

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Cornfeed can fuckoff too

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Fuckin narc

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> We are Monero. What we say here is visible to a lot of very powerful people. We are expected to be exemplary in conduct.

++

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Yeah, we shouldnt allow scammers to take advantage of us so easily

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Kewbits been getting away shit for too long

polite != weak

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I think there are genuinely people who sit in the rooms that are biased to the extend that they are actually going to destroy the community for their benefit

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Many people have spoken up in private , but wont speak up in public

some are grateful for those that speak up so they can remain professional

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> You are biased, you opinion doesn’t add value.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Not does Monero bulls or anyone else with social authority

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> i dont have an opinion, just stating the facts

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Because it’s clearly being used for abuse

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Nobody cares about feel-good bullshit. The rules are stated simply and the license's are as well

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> Feedback has to be provided respectfully otherwise we are just acting like company managers. They are very bad people.

Does someone, *other than ofrnxmr*, have a summary of what's happening in this latest drama? i'm only interested in an event log, i don't need an editorial.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> So you want a summary of my summary from someone else?

<s​iren:kernal.eu> cornfeedhobo: here is a summary from SyntheticBird reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/1h64pz…rama_kewbit_has_exitscammed_the_ccs

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> There are certain people here that seriously need banishing for moneros benefit

siren: thank you

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> It’s a shit show

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> lol

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Kewbit opened a ccs for a bounty that was slightly outbof scope. Ccs requires all works be permissively licensed at all stages, if not corrected, ccs to be cancelled. The works were initially unlicensed, preventing the ccs from being merged

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> The license was changes to agplv3, and the ccs was merged and and funded directly with repurposed funds from another ccs (kewbit didnt have to raise funds from donors)

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> ofrnxmr spends a lot of time and energy helping community members here on matrix and it is understandable that he is very unhappy. kewbit.org: Let us keep his efforts in mind and stop arguing with him.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> He then created a website (haveno.com) misrepresenting as if that was the official haveno website. He also released an MIT rust crate for haveno, and is withholding all source code

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> He (yesterday) claimed he would release the "haveno app" (ccs) in the coming days, but wanted 50% payment up front, before releasing source code (violating agplv3 and ccs rules)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Then he said he's quitting. Now we are here

cornfeedhobo: imagine I said that

sneurlax: lol noted. thank you

question for someone other than kewbit: is github.com/KewbitXMR/haveno-app not what is being looked for?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> That is the app that he wants 50% payment up front for the completion mileatones

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And the source not updated for months

i reviewed the publicly available repos last night and downloaded them all ... i didn't have time to take an in depth look but it didn't look like source has been delivered prior to asking for funds

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> Source is needed. We cannot release a closed source app.

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> The website must be run by members of the community, not any individual.

<sneurlax> some are grateful for those that speak up so they can remain professional <<>> :D

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> Kewbit is unhappy with the way he is treated and that is likely influencing his behaviour.

i see. it's all empty files.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Haveno.exchange is the official website

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> We're too unhappy about his behavior, HE started

for projects that are funded by CCS, is the end goal that the repo be transferred to github.com/monero-project organization?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Don't believe our anger towards him is free. He earned it

it didn't look like *significantly new* source has been delivered. previously for the first milestone I said "hey, it looks like initial code is here..." but it looks mostly the same?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> no @cornfeed

s​yntheticbird: i completely understand. just trying to help this reach a conclusion :)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> They just have to be permissively licensed. Monero-project doesnt take ownership

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> We cannot ignore the fact that he is unhappy.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> We can ignore

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> We should ignore

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> He's unhappy that he cant get away with being a bad actor

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> By playing the victim and pushing around people who dont want to fight

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> You guys are rightfully giving him the decency of a sentient human being. This guy is a scumbag to the bone. And I'm aware you won't accept a so biased opinion, I do hope tbh, but just so youget why we're like that.

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Speaking from experience, don't tolerate behavior like this. It will only get worse for you. This person didn't even take the time to research what CCS is and about its policies.

release code, get paid, seems simple to me. what's that saying about if you're always surrounded by drama/assholes?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> +1 sneurlax

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> Then that is really what might be the root of the problem. This is influencing his behaviour. He is demotivated and turning hostile.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> No. He always wants to play games and act like nobody will call him out.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> But people have been privately calling him out since day 0

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> themisplacedphilosopher Everyone has been nice with kewbit since he joined the channels. EVERYONE. We liked him. Then when the CCS started he is the one that started to act like an arrogant asshole.

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> We have to practice mindful communication.

And about the CCS, I looked at the merges rottenwheel linked to yesterday - it appears that 75 XMR were indeed paid out, or am I mistaken? Can someone link to something that makes that very clear?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> yes, hebwas paid 75xmr for a milestone that he complied with

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> Ok. Let us now try to be cordial.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> no [@themisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org](https://matrix.to/#/@themisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org) i wont be

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Plowsof can be cordial, not ofrn

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Cordial we can try. Resolve it, there is no way, he don't deserve any move from us after what he has done and is doing

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Yes the rules, what is wrong and how to fix it was communicated nicely.

<t​hemisplacedphilosopher:matrix.org> He came back to finish the job.

kewbit's cool imo. his contributions are welcome. i support strict CCS guidelines and maximum transparency in development. my first word was and my last word will be "i want to review source"

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Sneurlax, what are your thoughts about the haveno rust crate MIT license but kewbit withholding 100% of the code?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Unrelated to ccs. Simply about character

it's embarassing

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Is that "cool"?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I tend to judge people by their bs, not by the flowers they plant in it

ofrnxmr: is there something public that references that payout that I can check out?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> SPEAK 100

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> cornfeedhobo not that Im aware of

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> It was bs drama.

I have repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/489 but I'm not seeing anything explicit about the payout

I also see repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…245d4ee0bc92afaa81c01f14b03aacaafa4 but again, nothing linking to details about the payout

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> because the app source has not been updated, diego wanted to NACK the milestone, though the milestone waa completed

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> After a couple days of bs, the milestone was confirmed (it didnt involve the main app's repo) and was paid out

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> The main apps repo has still not been updated, but kewbit wants to claim 50% of the remaining pay before updating it

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Which is why we're here

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> .. because kewbit tried to slimeball hia way into 50% early pay w/o releasing source.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> a lot of people felt kewbit needs to he called out for his _many_ attempts at being a pos (haveno.com, rust crate), including this latest one.. so he was called out.

and i think the contention from kewbit is that the scope of the work has vastly expanded. from looking at the dart packages and rust crates that have been published, that would seem to be the case... but then most of these repos aren't very usable right now

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Wants to see how much he can get away with.. to that i say "none of it. You were never going to get away with any of it. People were quiet, but you were never going to get away with it"

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Arent usable not source public

there are a couple proof of concepts there but several have no source as ofrn says.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> He didnt expand scope of ccs, he expanded scope of his "mission" to see how far he could push before someone pushed back

the path forward is simple: publish more code.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> keyword: publish

It would seem that the second milestone, protocol interface (although it appears to mostly auto generated grpc code), has been published to pub.dev. Do I have that right - does the room agree?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Not "politic and pull victim card, and not publish"

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Cornfeed, is this the paid milestone?

i'm not sure yet. just trying to put the facts together still

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Any paid mileatones arent being debated anymore

understood. but for my understanding, does it seem like i have this correct?

yea, thanks for bringing it back to the actual ccs requirements cornfeedhobo. does that make the only relevant question "has a protocol interface been pushed?"? I haven't been looking for that specifically

because most of what i reference as incomplete etc. are the non-haveno-related packages/crates. ie., nothing that's been paid-for

haveno-app's main branch's pubspec.yaml doesn't reference a haveno package?

so what i would want to see is haveno-app actually using pub.dev/packages/haveno

or a reference to where in haveno-app the protocol is. if that's a ccs requirement

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> The app just interfaces with an existing desktop app

... but pub.dev/packages/haveno looks usable, i'm just not seeing it used by haveno-app? but i have other work to do :)

kewbit: can you help me understand why none of these versions pub.dev/packages/haveno/versions match what is in github, nor links to VCS?

github.com/KewbitXMR/flutter_haveno matches that pub.dev/packages/haveno

the repo name mismatches the package name, they seem to match to me.

yes, that's what i'm seeing as well

if github.com/KewbitXMR/flutter_haveno had an example app or if haveno-app obviously used flutter_haveno/pub.dev/packages/haveno, would that not satisfy the milestone requirement of "Write the Protocol Interface"?

I assume this package should interface with the exchange *directly*. is there someone that has tested this package for basic functionality?

i have not tested nor reviewed it properly, just gave a quick readthrough. it should interface with the/a haveno daemon via grpc

hmm, if the haveno daemon is required, is the end goal to have the daemon packaged with the app and run for the user automatically? flutter is cross-dev and i see that noted in the CCS, so I assume this is meant to be as point-and-click as possible?

cross-platform*

no, that's not what was offered in the CCS. kewbit has been clear from the beginning that it can connect to any haveno daemon, but bundling a haveno daemon has not been in-scope afaict

for example: "gRPC Protocol: The app will connect to Haveno Daemon using the native gRPC HTTP/2 over Tor (not translated from HTTP/1.2 or HTTP/1)" ... "Possible Future Plans

...

Design the P2P protocol from Haveno in Dart, so that you may not depend on the Haveno Daemon for the app to work (Standalone Mobile App)"

so no, daemon management is not in-scope. the second milestone requirement is: write the protocol interface. there's an interface published. i just want to see it actually used in haveno-app/haveno-plus OR an easy to run example app

i think the protocol has been published, tho again, i haven't tested nor reviewed it so you can safely ignore me. my only nit is that re: "connect to Haveno Daemon using ... Tor", you can see that tor-specific code has been commented out here: github.com/KewbitXMR/flutter_haveno…rc/channel/haveno_channel.dart#L214

that commented section references my own SOCKSSocket class which i had to write because dart/flutter networking libs are immature and socks etc. are second-class citizens. so kewbit and i have commiserated 1-on-1 about dart networking specifics specifically re: tor

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> [@cornfeedhobo:matrix.org](https://matrix.to/#/@cornfeedhobo:matrix.org) a dinosaur has joined the dark side of the moon!

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> media.tenor.com/Nox6Von1Eb8AAAAM/oneofus.gif

The issue here is really that kewbit doesn't trust the CCS process

They think they'll release the code and then not get paid

Obviously that won't happen, but for whatever reason they believe that it might

<s​gp_:monero.social> well that's too bad that they decided to use the CCS then if they don't trust it. their problem

Yes, I'd agree

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> midipoet we are 300 messages in, one extortion-like milestone in and a lot of wasted time on someone who is either manipulating scammer or has clear mental issues. That is the issue here.

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> midipoet we are 300 messages in, one extortion-like milestone in and a lot of wasted time on someone who is either a manipulating scammer or has clear mental issues. That is the issue here.

I think they are just paranoid

Maybe they've been burned before with open code/promises of payment, etc

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> The sleepy Pokémon said it few messages above. It is embarrassing to still be asking for code at this point.

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> The crooks that are supposed to tighten the pants and put an end to it seem always very mild at it. 🤷‍♂️

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Let's go for the 500 messages milestone! More drama!

and yet, having looked into it, i think code *has* been published, i just have two nits with it: i want to see it used OR have an easy to run example AND it should support tor if that was a critical promise

Either way, how we deal with the issue is also important. Everyone running around pointing fingers, hurling insults, and shouting "scammer", really doesn't help

"haveno.com" looks a certain way. hard to deny.

Fairly sure if kewbit were to get private/public assurances from Luigi/plowsof/Diego that they are going to receive payment as soon as the milestone can be verified, instead of weird pseudo-community-core members running around screaming and making threats as if the house were on fire, it would be far more productive.

sneurlax: if kewbit wants haveno.com, nobody can stop them!

all the power to them

yeah, there's no copyright/trademark :) but that's still a bit of an obtuse justification

it looks scammy. regardless of technicalities. it's also leverage over the project

Didn't cakewallet do something similar?

bitcoin.com et al

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> midipoet do you ever realize you sound like a chode sometimes? Don't we all? #philosophy

I don't know what a chode is.

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Very much so. I still remember when kewbit wasn't being... kewbit and he was vaguely alluring to his vision of launching his own Haveno network with the mobile application.

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Launch a mobile application with his own network, using a TLD of his own, all self-hosted and it certainly doesn't look scammy!

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> midipoet basically 30/35% of your messages. It's on urban dictionary, I'm sure. 👍

I had to look it up, and it seems you're making sexual references. Again.

Do we need to talk about this?

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> You make me yawn more often than a black and white, silent movie.

Don't insult the arts

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> All I'm saying your attempts to "help" are lame and miss the point 99% of the time.

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> So, like a chode. 😂

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Anyways, the weeabo seems to perform much better writing blog posts breaking technicalities in laymen terms. This... is just insanity.

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Dude has said he's done and ragequit the room more often than Biden tripping over himself in public.

I have read through a fair bit, and it's pretty damn clear the "point" isn't really that clear to anyone. Doesn't stop nearly everyone from running around shouting

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/1h64pz8/comment/m0elcza

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Nobody's shouting. Some call a spade a spade, some like to beat around the bushes, some others, who are the ones supposed to be doing something, do nothing. Business as usual.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Seems like Kewbit already tried to reach Bisq similarly to us

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Add a link to the OP, put in the gm repo under his CCS proposal!

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Print pamphlets! 😂

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> please don't use acronyms

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I'm dumb

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Ur a qt lil cat.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Im gtk actually, I don't like Qt framework

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Ok dork.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> 👍️

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Where's the gym bro screaming OFFTOPIC!

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Its really a bullshit cop-out. This was originally for a bounty where the _entire project_ would have to be completed before seeing a single piconero

the nits i mentioned earlier (demo flutter_haveno use, finish tor support) are my only reservations re: the milestones listed in repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/489 ... and imo it takes a bit of reading into the proposal to actually conclude tor support is a hard requirement for milestone 2

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> I [did](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…als/-/merge_requests/489#note_27522) it for you, lil chirp.

and isn't any app that can fully use haveno 75% of whats needed for any bisq app anyways? isn't haveno bisq but with monero as the "reserve" currency?

this behavior is anti-productive!

but i will, of course, eat my hat if bro's a scammer in the end.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> no its actually more complex. iirc haveno stripped the entire bisq token system and validators to only let arbitrators

ah, thank you for the context. i am woefully uneducated on haveno specifics

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Girl byeee

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> womp womp kewbit weren't you supposed to have muted me? how is it I have read receipts on my message

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> No, you get read receipts even if you have clowns ignored.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Yeah perhaps it resets when to leave and join

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> I have always had Mr. OFFTOPIC ignored, he decided to join Revuo Monero's room, fastest nuke ever. lol

<s​iren:kernal.eu> It does not

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Anyway thanks for the post on the official CCS I’ll respond to it for you now.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> rottenwheel:

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> this was literally done in the very first drama

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Deigo I think we’re in good standing?

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…dacted.org/iZGRCgkNkYaOFflMPeFgyHln

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Things change around here a lot

kewbit you are not in good standing bro :(

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Pm me

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Maybe

the crowd bears torches and pitchforks

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I mean you keep taking shots at me every once in a while even though I was trying to help you in the beginning of everything, but such is life I have no personal ill-will towards you sure.

you must appease them with a proof of concept, example app, or usage of flutter_haveno in haveno-app/haveno-plus

<3​21bob321:monero.social> I thought he left this room?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> bipolar

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> More than happy to bro

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Provide proof aka code for each milestone, its not hard

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> He's left and been done with monero 69 times and counting!

and if tor support works then i don't see a textual basis for claiming milestone 2 as complete.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> 2 more le weeks bro I promise the source code

hey, may there be a 70th if swaps are possible and we can review them as safe

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> We are just 31 short from the 100 milestone!

err, incomplete*. whatever.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> There is an element of that involved here I will admit, but I guess common courtesy doesn’t exist in these realms.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I don’t feel like I should apologise for that though it’s part of what make by brain weirdly not functional at coding, not so much talking lol

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I don’t feel like I should apologise for that though it’s part of what make by brain weirdly functional at coding, not so much talking lol

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Brain weirdly* who can’t see edits

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Soon™️

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Generally I have expressed disability and I have actually said explicitly, I don’t feel like that’s grounds to abuse me because of it.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> oh shit, i'm sorry

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Playing the victim doesnt help btw

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I'm sorry I almost took pity on you you scumbag

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> All good

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Bad kitty, bad kitty!

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> explain that please

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Just react, at this point is the best we can do...

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Except it's vice versa. You're the abuser. Your uncontrolled mental illnesses don't give you the privilege to abuse other people.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> please remove the all good, I just say something bad to you and you not reading it make me cringe

It will be difficult to make progress in this discussion if the hostility keeps up. Everyone's frustrations have been made very clear. These messages are a lot to read through and try to figure out clear timelines, goals, and outcomes.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Its a low act to get sympathy

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I’ve been honest, and hardworking. One struggles to find more to offer.

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Straight to the naughty corner!

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Oh so your apology was a joke?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> YES

<3​21bob321:monero.social> @[kewbit.org] what happened with the 75% bisq app?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Take that for you blog post

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> it's free

<3​21bob321:monero.social> I see a post and then nothing after

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> What a shitshow. lol

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> In the famous old man's words... "Everyone should go for a walk, get some fresh air." - nioCat

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> nioCat isn't old??

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Touch grass

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Nioc’s cat

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Let’s have this discussion in a more relevant channel

To be honest, i see the 75% Bisq app as him advertising the haveno app that is probably some percentage compatible with Bisq. It's just posturing, and really not any of our concern.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Please dont defect

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> kewbit should do politics

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Haveno is similar to bisq no?

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> midipoet each time you get further from the point! great!

to be fair, you guys are making it easier for this behavior by adding endless comment stream of low effort punches. Stick to facts and timelines.

we've talked 1-on-1 about multi-dex apps and how that's impacted the package-creation process

sorry to contribute hearsay to the court ;)

<3​21bob321:monero.social> And this goes to the credibilyy of completing projects

How is it further from the point, exactly? People are talking about his claim to a Bisq app?!?!

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> (this isn't new for me, midipoet, just now voicing it. happens every, single, time. lol.) I am just glad it's finally coming out.

<s​iren:kernal.eu> midipoet, Dan: read this comment to see how much was actually implemented. Basically nothing. It could even be a project base produced by AI github.com/bisq-network/bisq2/discu…ons/2665#discussioncomment-10745588

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> every single discussion is the same and you don't have even 0.01% selfawareness lol.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> midipoet it does show his priorities. He is gatekeeping the app because of supposed lack of trust with CCS (with which is whinned consistently about) but advertise it to another community??? He have his own priorities

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> nioCat isn't old?? <<>> nobody is older than I

this is still going on? :D

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Midi has made ccs multi times, so why would you do that and not trust it?

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> cornfeedhobo why don't you stick to killing channels with your moderation policies instead, please?

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> nioCat sadly, lol.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Hmmm, that’s not right but the blog post we be stuff people need to know, I don’t actually intended on going that far seems a be pathetic at this point but I do need to address rottenwheels concerns, I’m I’m going to switch over to that.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Provide evidence of each milestone completed, end of the bs deflection

just do the thing

actions speak louder than words

i recommend focusing on showing code. then rub it in their faces, right?

I just invented that saying :)

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> kewbit.org: I have no "concerns". In case you cannot read between the lines, I have been calling for closure of your proposal and effective repurpose of the funds since yesterday.

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Nothing you need to "address" from my end, other than, please, either shut up and put up, or leave for good. Best wishes with all your endeavors and mental well-being!

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I actually was going to offer a solution to bisq after the app was completely and the Monero community is happy, however I spoke to their lead dev and he was an asshole. So I decided to pause that idea.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> yeah im sure it'll be fun, we all know your blog post will be about trying to undermine my credibility, its the only thing you believe in as a scammer. So yeah good fuzzing my boy. I'm waiting for the next round

<3​21bob321:monero.social> New nike slogan?

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Fuck that dude, I am already to tired to continue coding for today now lol

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Also nioc how did you pump the price?

Cat walked over the keyboard

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Is it me or does midipoet actually seem like one of the sensible ones here, making readable remarks, you’re the one talking crap all the time, apologies for calling your newsletter aweful in public btw, I’m sure that’s why you blocked me.

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> kewbit.org: If I had you blocked I wouldn't be reading, nor replyting to your nonsense, sir. I didn't even know you called Revuo 'aweful', but for all intents and purposes, I couldn't care less, to be honest.

imagine being on unredacted and blocking people

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> nioCat imagine not blocking people in 2024.

I only deal with monerians so no need for blocking

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Which facts in this case? If you talking about facts in the context of wrong doing on my part please let me know, I’ll address those too. But they should be raised officially not just from talking in chat.

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Either way, refer to these two messages above. Chances are you'll engage in your usual back-and-forth with no clear actionable thing to pull the trigger on. Smoking crack would be more productive than talking to you.

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> nioCat what about blood family, eh?

all good rotten

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> nioCat xoxo

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Getting all the permits and schedule arrangements in order for MononoKon '25, I imagine? nioCat

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I actually remember taking your advice to take the packages names for the work I’m doing so I did, and that’s pretty reasonable and am now working on a bunch of things.

there is a vast conspiracy working on preventing me from going and yes need to work on that now

.bbl

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> You have no evidence of me not completing projects so this simply is just a useless comment, try to keep the comments productive so the conversation isn’t as bloated please.

nioCat: I'll be crossing my fingers sir!

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I swear you just start picking on anyone sensible

remember too from our very first convo that i said i was excited to review code for safety because i personally am interested in seeing swaps better supported in the community

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Please provide app source code then

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Onus is on you as you are asking for a payout with trust me bruh

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Anyways

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Next drama please

the protocol interface also looks there, ie. the requirement for milestone 2. if proof of concept or example is possible with what's published now then truly this has been a waste of time

<a​remor:matrix.org> Why is the conversation necessary. Either the code gets released or it doesn’t. What is there to talk about?

if flutter_haveno version 3.0.1 works with the haveno daemon, that's milestone 2's requirement completed

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Bisq has a different protocol and uses DOA tokens, it would be a huge change but obviously the codebase have diverged a fair bit, though thanks to protobufs, it’s entirely possible, and on the table when I finish for Monero.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Wasting life

<3​21bob321:monero.social> On something so simple

<3​21bob321:monero.social> No code, no pay

<s​iren:kernal.eu> You really are trying all the tricks in the book to attempt to manipulate. Praising some people, insulting others, constantly deflecting but it's not working.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Next item on the agenda nioc

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Here we go, deflection with unrelated information again. In that GitHub discussion you claimed you were 75% done with a bisq app, but you didn't implement anything.

... with the caveat that a very strict reading of the CCS proposal may imply that tor support is mandatory for milestone 2.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> The new president of monero?

<a​remor:matrix.org> You can move this to DMs?

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> This doesn’t make sense, I’m self aware enough, that your blogs are low quality, it’s basically rendered content for the most part, a lot of it is biased and not interesting. That’s the rationale behind why I offended you, and I’m sorry, but you could just make better content out more time into it, you obviously take it quite seriously

and it would help inspire confidence to add an "unofficial" to haveno.com. or five

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Please stay on one topic with your ccs

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> That message wasn't even directed at you? LOL.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> And not star trek deflector shields

<s​iren:kernal.eu> You're directing this question at the wrong person

<a​remor:matrix.org> I’m not. I’m assuming you have sense. No point talking to the clueless person

<a​remor:matrix.org> Everyone with sense needs to move on to more important things

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> midipoet, that was the case for the very first milestone. He told me up and down that once the first milestone is paid out there would be no more issues because trust will have been established between him and the system. He used this as an argument to pay out for milestone 1. Ultimately, this was honored. We paid out. Now he's asking for 50% up front before publishing the rest of<clipped message>

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> the code. This is deliberately going back on a previous agreement. Again, I was told MULTIPLE TIMES that only the first milestone would be like this.

nah, i mean, the milestone 2 payment was requested. the requests for further proof that everything's been submitted are valid and only entails posting links if the work has indeed been done

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Will you provide source code for milestone 2 : yes or no

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Multiple choice 50/50 chance there

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> midipoet your continued assertions of lack of trust may or may not be true, but are no longer the problem of the CCS after one exception was already made after agreement between BOTH parties.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Trust issue is who controls ccs

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> no dan, core conspiracy theories drama are schedules for january 2026

There are now two pages of scroll back since my last message, and none of it has gotten us closer to a resolution.

Maybe moving this problem to a dedicated channel is best

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> #monero-kewbit when?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> ^

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Define gatekeeping, this is a term I’m not familiar with, all code is available open source at github.com/KewbitXMR/flutter_app (its licence AGPL, what was posted before I request any kind of payment, I was in fact, denied payment by Diego. After approx 8-12 hours of back and forth this was paid. That’s not really acceptable and I do believe that I was treated unfairly<clipped message>

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> having to engage in that, after documenting the milestones proving completion, if you paid attention I also went as far as to write a blog to show people how to start using the Haveno dart SDK, that was no part of my CCS, I have several libraries, docker containers that I have all done for free outside of the scope of my CCS.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> if you code you can get this correct

<3​21bob321:monero.social> ^

<3​21bob321:monero.social> @[kewbit.org]

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Something like RetoSwaps.com?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> kewbit.org: I will be gentle in the way that I say this. If you are not a bad actor, I would like you to take what I'm about to say and go sit with it for a while.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> You and I had discussed at length during the first milestone and you told me many times that the first milestone alone was a problem because there was no trust. I went to bat for you with luigi and plowsof, despite a few internal misgivings, and after discussion with woodser, we released the milestone. You then literally told me (paraphrased): "See? That was easy right? Now we'll <clipped message>

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> have no more problems."

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Then you come in yesterday and demand 50% up front before code was released and gave a time limit.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> One of the primary things scammers do is try to rush you so you don't have time to think and because you're scared of losing out. You claim you're not trying to scam, for the sake of this discussion I'm willing to believe you. With that in mind, your actions yesterday were indistinguishable from a scammer's actions. You went back on an agreement, demanded payout, and gave a time l<clipped message>

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> imit. These actions are those of a scammer. So if you are actually doing things in good faith my recommendation is to shut the fuck up, sit down, stop whining, honor the previous agreement, release the code when it's ready, and accept payout after releasing the code.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Happy to provide the screenshot of you unfriending me after the same times, I think really what I’m trying to highlight here is that no matter what I say, you’ll default against it. So to the community your opinion should generally be considered low value, just like your content, is what I’m saying.

<s​iren:kernal.eu> You don't get it. There's no value in telling a manipulative person that they're manipulative. I'm only clarifying these things for others who were confused about the bisq app.

<s​iren:kernal.eu> It is quite important actually that everyone sees that piece of information

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> You have three milestones remaining:

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> 1. Create the user interface (75 XMR)

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> 3. Create the desktop connector (15 XMR)

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> 4. Create multiplatform installers (50 XMR)

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> When you have made the code, and open-sourced it for these particular milestones, you are eligible for payout. Please let us know when that's done and where to find the code. After that, you will receive your payout. Not before. That's the end of the discussion. Thanks. :)

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…rstack.com/znfVaHQnxqOwWWQELtobTtTQ

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Yeah I please review as we go, this is one of my main considerations actually, the new client in fact does not allow pre compiled binaries in Haveno, meaning, I have already implemented new security measures into Haveno Core (haveno.exchange) the more eyes on the source code the better.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Repeat question, please scroll to find the link.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Per your words, trust has been established with the system. No further exceptions will be made. Thanks for your understanding. :)

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I’m not following this one, but yeah the first milestone was completed and paid and all available for use (agnostic of the app) for example you can use it to make a trading bot that interacts with the haveno network!

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> There's no need to waste your time in here if you don't want to argue. By all means, please go work on your stuff and stop responding here.

When we say "first milestone", we mean "Write the Protocol Interface", correct?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> We'll be waiting for the code to be released so we can review and you can request for payout.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Correct.

Thanks. And when we say "second milestone", we mean "Create the User Interface"?

I was mistaken, then, I throught according to repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/489 that the milestone order was different.

Yes, I think that caused a little confusion

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> That’s sad for the community.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> sneurlax indeed the first milestone to be completed was protocol interface, but the first in order was user interface

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> It becomes necessary from individuals degrading my reputation after having worked tirelessly. It hurts.

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Dan (Is not the man & Braxman Tomsparks Advocate) Backup: doesn't this situation give you Daniel Micay flashbacks? lol

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> You could say that, I’m happy to be paid lol. But you know, I would rather not have a 12 hour argument before getting it.

k​ewbit: can you point me to the blog post about using the dart sdk?

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> You’re consistently adding low value input, either leave the discussion please or I will mute.

prove delivery more clearly to avoid or shorten those arguments 🤷

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> ah maybe he muted me and can't see what I've written.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> oh well, he'll find out sooner or later then if that's the case

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> So what I’m doing, are no tricks or books. I’m very specifically designing some well thought out software, which also includes and important philosophy, which is that I am enforcing decentralisation for the benefit of everyone, I seem to be the only one actually supporting this. Which is what I should be doing now but I feel rotten it attempting to threaten the projects contin<clipped message>

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> uity and will respond to that, I’m not sure what I’m responding to yet as I only get an email saying it the thread was updated. But I can only address a few more points because I have a lot to do tonight

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Low value, I’ve muted, anything important you’d like to add either raise as a CCS issue or private message me.

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> > I've muted

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> > private message me

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> lol

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> bruv moment.

k​ewbit: can you point me to the blog post about using the dart sdk? I'm not finding it.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Alright, I bit and sent every message as a DM since he says to do that.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Siren: you can ping him on my behalf and tell him I did so if you can. It's my particular final say on the matter (though I don't run the CCS).

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> You’re using manipulation tactics here “here we go again” implies there have been multiple cases making the impression that I have no credibility, I have indeed started on a bisq app too, I won get into that because it’s none of your concern what I do with my personal time and if you intend on using manipulation tactics every time you speak with me I will just ignore than <clipped message>

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> and you’ll have to just raise it on the CCS thread like rottenwhell where they can be addressed and countered

<3​21bob321:monero.social> I applaud you, how you can pick and choose what you want to respond too and ignore a question that would solve all this with a yes or no

<s​iren:kernal.eu> kewbit.org: check your DMs with Diego. Important information there.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Have you thought of being a politian ?

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I’m trying to remain civil, I would actually very much enjoy continuing to develop the all even once it’s done, and in all honesty, I would probably from that point offer my time for free. I have had a lot of fun making it.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I have no interest, I’m not the one making the remark.

<u​ser2570:hackliberty.org> I just had the exact same thought🤔😄

k​ewbit: anyone will tell you i'm no fan of this spam, but I too am concerned that you keep replying to drama instead of to fact-building. I'm now asking for the third time - can you please link me to the blog post about your sdk

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Kewbit cant ban me for calling bs here

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Dan mc cry leans on his bipolar alot as an excuse

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Sometimes you call a dick a dick

<3​21bob321:monero.social> As much as i like post malone we should move on, cause its a lost cause

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> appreciate the input sneurlax and cornfeedhobo

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Added this to the DM:

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> "oh, and if you're worried about a 12 hour discussion, don't worry. There isn't one. There's no discussion here. Payment will be released after code is released, not before. No discussion. ezpz. 30 second talk."

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> roundabout way to have a public conversation, but I do what I gotta do

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Its like pay my invoice,i’ll show my work later trust me its epic

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> We did touch on this a little bit earlier on, there is a distinction between the two. These were all part of the release notes. I haven’t had a chance to release it, please allow some time. But what your saying about where something is official or not, I kind of see where you’re coming from, however, I have built a haveno app, someone had actually squatted that domain which I <clipped message>

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> originally was looking to buy, however haveno.com was available either and was within my general interest to purchase, 1. Because I am literally directly officially working on a haveno app. 2. I have a domain brokering business where it costs me nothing to buy expensive domains as it’s all a business expense for my other business. So I didn’t mind paying €5000 for it. I am h<clipped message>

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> owever happy to sell the domain to the right person, ideally, woodser, and not the Monero team, as this relates to the haveno core more than it relates to Monero in general. So just to clarify, haveno.com covered all things official for the App, everything else if the haveno.exchange entity. If someone was polite, and merely spoke to me about it, I can make things clearer. I have <clipped message>

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> more to say on this but I’m still working through these messages.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Oops sorry, but at least you who it was for, I’m sure you can understand I’m trying to get through the ones directed at me quickly and made a mistake….

kewbit: I need to step away now. I'm sure you've been flooded with messages, but you've also had plenty of chances to see and reply to me. Even giving you the benefit of the doubt, 75 XMR is a lot for some generated gRPC code, especially when you have so much suspicious behavior, e.g. your entire identity has no internet history before September 2024.

If anyone has time, it would be nice to audit and test the SDK that has been published.

<p​reland:monero.social> Welp

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Yes, this is a sensible response, myself and Diego did have a really long chat, that and another 7 hour or more long chat in a public channel.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I have this conversation recorded for reference.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> The entire thing even where I get a bit pissed of with him at the end. (Which is justified in my opinion based on the ultimatums he gave me.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Despite following the rules with the milestones, Diego was pressuring me to release other work that was not in the scope of that milestone which wasn’t even available at that time. I lost faith in the CCS system at this point. Because I don’t know what I actually did to deserve so much hate and refusal to pay.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> All I know is that Diego and snerlax, have a business, this automatically makes them biased, in my opinion, RetoSwap are desperately trying to build a business, StackWallet is a relatively well established business, BasicSwapDex is kind not working yet, these are all owners and contributors with significantly highly regarded opinions, and the reality should be that they have no in<clipped message>

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> fluence bar 1 vote on anything. They seem to control the ecosystem as a whole.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> This is a problem for decentralisation especially when all 3 groups, want to make money from their own project.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I was received ti have finally achieve a sensible outcome in payment for the first milestone.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Here is where the problem for me starts, Deigo gave me an ultimatum, release everything or get nothing. However that’s not how the milestone system works. Naturally I was angered. I concluded with him that there would be no further work done if they is how you operate.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> A few days later, I did in fact receive what I was owed. And then continued work, this whole situation sadly has now given me a REASON to distrust the CCS process in general.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> If that's the case, you didn't mention so and in fact indicated the opposite.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> here

Honestly, as a person that has written and contributed to open source for over a decade now, I really don't understand all this apprehension. Who cares if you release the code? What are you losing out on? Why do you see it as pressure? The community has a fantastic history of paying contributors - greater than any other project I've ever encountered.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Wait Diego I’m responding to you other message first

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> No worries. Respond sequentially.

<u​mask777:decred.org> "Despite following the rules with the milestones, Diego was pressuring me to release other work that was not in the scope of that milestone which wasn’t even available at that time." what's the context around this

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> If you’re taking to me, please be specific

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Cornfeedbobo

k​ewbit: when someone prefixes a message with your name, that is being specific. the message was for you.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Okay, let’s skip this one.

<c​ornfeedhobo:matrix.org> i find it interesting that you made this about communication style and not simply linking the blog post, as requested multiple times.

<c​ornfeedhobo:matrix.org> Please link to the blog post, as requested multiple times.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Allow me to explain yet again.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I was made aware of a kerfuffle involving kewbit. I wasn't a part of it. I was asked to mediate. I spoke with him in DMs and determined the kerfuffle involved a few different things, but the core of the issue (to me) was that he had made and released code for one milestone which was eligible for payout, but he had other code that he didn't release specifically because he wanted to<clipped message>

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> keep it as leverage to ensure future milestone payouts. This didn't seem in the spirit of the CCS to me, and there was a large community discussion about the vagueness of the rules of the CCS which indicates that all code must be FOSS at all stages of the proposal.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> After some back and forth between him and I, him and the community, me and the community, and woodser and I, I personally came to the conclusion that the milestone in question was eligible for payout. Now, I don't control the CCS. I was just asked to assess the situation by plowsof and luigi and give my recommendation. I did so.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Part of the understood agreement, however, was that his distrust in the system initially (which was why he was withholding code), was kind of on him. The CCS is a very trusted system and if he distrusts, he should use a different system of funding. He assured that this would be the only time, and after the first milestone payout, he would have no problem releasing all of the rest <clipped message>

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> of the code ASAP because trust would have been established between him and the system (i.e. he knows the CCS won't scam him for work previously done)

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I actually never followed up to see if he indeed release 'the rest of the code ASAP'

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…rstack.com/HUfySFSgTMQmHOfmVcJGcoat

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…rstack.com/sZBKNAJmdkmZkYSBMEBcscmE

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I’m sure you can appreciate I’m being flooded, as that is quite obvious, and I am giving you all justified time to respond properly, there is no use in telling me you’ve given me plenty of chances, I will have gluten to your comment anyway.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Regarding my identity, this is a strange thing to bring up but let me explain why. Literally anyone in this chat, if you asked them what their identity is, almost all would refuse. If you’re suggesting that I reveal it, my apologies, that’s not going to happen.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Regarding the gRPC code, granted, that was probably over-scopped in terms of cost, however, the installers have taken way longer, and the full understanding of the project and the extras like docker containers to make wider adoption for all of the different types of node you can run, and things like creating other resources such as documentation which covers the app which has take<clipped message>

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> n me week. None of that was properly factored into the Milestones. That was my mistake, and if I took a CCS again, it would make sure there are a minimum of 15, 20 milestones the risk them becomes minimal, the problem I have now, is how are you going to test the installers as an independent milestones, same with how are you going to test the the UI as an independent milestone. It<clipped message>

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> ’s not really possible without doing everything at once, and the amount is significant.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I do have a solutions for this, we all agree to split up the milestones for the current project a little more, then I have no reason to basically be scared not to receive payment, in this context and the amount of time it’s taken, without contracts and agreement it makes me extremely anxious to entrust an anonymous group. My way of combatting that problem at the time was to intr<clipped message>

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> oduce the idea/ultimatum that we just split the risk.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> That being said, if agreed, I am happy to split up the milestones into more digestible smaller payments which I can afford to accept loss in should I get scammed. You mention a valid point about me just appearing, well that happens. I don’t think many talented people usually need to get involved in things like this simply because it’s high risk, I just free lance if I need mo<clipped message>

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> ney and I make more from that by far (clearnet freelancing). However I made the exception to try something new as I am a massive fan of Monero, I think it’s the future of money, I’m not your typical guy that just sits around for years in chats not getting anything done, I make the pseudonym, recently. So what, is all I can say.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> This message does make sense

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Clown

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> This is only true for non significant payouts ie. this is what I heard from the grapevine, that’s why I always cautious

kewbit: honestly, you shouldn't be worried about not receiving a payment. I know me saying so might mean nothing to you, but a lot of the hostility you are getting is because in order to receive payment all you have to do is release the code for MS2. That's it. You'll get your payment in days (one would think). All this drama is just wasting everyone's time - you included.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 1. Basicswap is not working = false 2. All are owners = false. 3. All are contributors = we all contribute to MANY projects 4. All 3 groups want to make money from their own project = false. Basicswapdex has no platform fees _at all_

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> You’ve asked this quite a few times, literally have no idea what you mean, is it the defamation or the one I reference when releasing the first milestone?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Cornfeedhobo ^ this is directed at you

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Re blog post

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Hilariously, what you just said is literally what our first conversation was like too.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Cool. I'm glad you understand.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Okay but you’re talking about the positive spirit of FOSS while enabling a currency that allows people to perform criminal activity, the spirit of Monero is more of a talking point than the spirit of FOSS within Monero.

<p​reland:monero.social> Ok look, I don’t have any say in any of this, but this just seems to be running in circles. It may be best to take a step back and process what has actually been said that is novel, and what should be done as a result of that.

<p​rivacyx:monero.social> Damn we going in circles here

<p​reland:monero.social> “I guess we doing circles now”

<p​rivacyx:monero.social> Lol

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> This from the guy who constantly says "that's not the topic of conversation at hand?". Also, my guy, privacy is for everyone. In fact me, as a squeaky clean guy NEEDS privacy because if I get sent dirty bitcoin for any of my research or design services, I can be questioned for having it, despite having done nothing wrong. Privacy ensures that other people's bad actions don't refle<clipped message>

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> ct on me by accident.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Lest we not forget, I had been paid for the 1st milestone eventually. But the route I took to get it was completely unacceptable, I don’t have logs of your ultimatum and they do not constitute the rule which are outlined in the proposals rules section.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I have logs of our entire conversation. Shall I post them here?

<s​iren:kernal.eu> I actually get the idea that this person might be copy pasting entire conversations into AI because none of these responses make sense.

<p​rivacyx:monero.social> So what are you actually propsing kewbit?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Diego loves circles #site

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> It was more than acceptable, it was expected and necessary. Your proposal and the way in which you wanted payout happened to touch on one of the vague parts of the wording of our rules. We've been over this. You've indicated understanding to this in the past. You play dumb when it suits you to try to get points in these public conversations.

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Just pollute the channel the entire day like he does every time Mc

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Just pollute the channel the entire day like he does every time!

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> ASAP meaning as soon as possible, several things broke my environment with a flutter upgrade and spent ages trying to get the version matrixes all good. I’ve notice you’re selectively choose screenshots Diego I have them all in draft post in my blog, which proves you’re enforcing rules that don’t exist in order to not pay for milestones, which is frustrating for me. Having<clipped message>

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> does, published code, and made available to everyone with a nice guide on how to use it.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> What has been said is that no payout will occur before code is posted. 0% of the payout for any milestone will occur before code is public and licensed FOSS. End of story. You're correct there's no need to discuss further.

<a​nchoc:matrix.org> fun fact Hamlet is Shakespeare's longest play, and today's chat log is more than half of its word count

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> At the same time, I'm happy to take the time to clear up confusion for other members of this community, such as here

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Remember folks. This was suppoaed to be a bounty

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> not everyone comes into this conversation with all context

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> initially

<j​oiboi.crypto:matrix.org> 🧐

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 0 pay until completion. Any bitching about anything else is asinine

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> This literally didn't happen. Nobody was not trying to pay you for milestones. We were trying to make sure the rules were followed.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Well I haven’t had a chance to think about it, but it seems like we need to break up the milestones, I can reprocess them, I don’t affect cost cost, but it would affect payout dates, such that when they are completed smaller fractions of risk are taken upon completing each milestone, I think this is reasonable.

<p​reland:monero.social> This is the TL;DR so far (I think)

<p​reland:monero.social> Kewbit: wants to be compensated before releasing code, (following is subtext) likely because he is concerned that his competitors will steal his code and potentially steal his compensation

<p​reland:monero.social> Diego (or was it Dan? Idk): was asked to look into kewbit’s situation, and alarm bells began ringing for a multitude of reasons; he wants the code to be released before any compensation, though this is just his recommendation as he doesn’t actually have any real say over the decision.

<p​reland:monero.social> Everyone else: chaos and confusion. There be monsters here

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> And when will you finally get it through your thick skull that it wasn't ME that was trying to deny you payment? I was sent to assess the situation by the people who administer the CCS. You pour all your vitriol out on me because I was the one who took the time to hear both sides.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Yeah, lets change the milestones. No pay til completion

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> You really provide no value in these discussions dude, it’s embarrassing.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Like the initial bounty

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> The fact that you keep focusing on me as the boogeyman shows you're either not operating in good faith, or incredibly stupid.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Does it have to be "or"?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> its not a xor

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> "which proves YOU'RE enforcing rules that don’t exist in order to not pay for milestones" (emphasis mine)

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> ~ kewbit

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> No

<p​reland:monero.social> Lol (tell me what I’m missing)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> How many times to i have to say that kewbit was initially going to submit all work BEFORE being paid a single piconero

<p​reland:monero.social> Ah so that’s what I’m missing

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> It was only after you claimed to be part of the core team, that I realised you actually were not from someone more trusted. So essentially I had in fact wasted a conversation with you, not cool dude

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> the drama started when he released ?binaries without releasing source code, violating agplv3

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I never said I was part of the core team?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I literally told you that I didn't control the CCS and was talking with the maintainers of the CCS about it?

<p​reland:monero.social> Rule 1. No one is in core team (unless they are able to block you from pushing a PR)

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Because of the track record at least with me I can’t agree to that, I can agree to splitting, not merging. Which is literally the anti-solution? lol

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Then continued when he misrepresented haveno.com ans started pushing related products without releasing code (haveno rust crate)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Milestones stay as-is, or change to post-paid

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Like diego said - were not negotiating

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> proof

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> image.png

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I operate in good faith, you joined the conversation with your remarks, and I’m am responding to them, if you’re not happy with it. Don’t asked or raise loaded topics for yourself. I have spoke to you in chat privately and I figured we’re cool.

<p​reland:monero.social> Wait I thought selsta was in core???

<p​reland:monero.social> Yeah this definitely goes on the list

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> no

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> selsta is the ceo

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> bro needs lessons on basic human relations

<p​reland:monero.social> Huh; is there an actual place that says who is in Monero core?

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> But you claimed to be core, as acting core member, why would I assume they were not your rules.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> that screenshot

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> posterity

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I just posted proof above that I did not claim to be a core team member. I listed the core team there.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> just kidding preland, core member are listed in meta repository iirc

<p​reland:monero.social> But it’s stated by someone not in core; how do I know that I can trust that list?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> and also are the only one having full power on github organization

<p​reland:monero.social> Hmm time to check

<p​rivacyx:monero.social> No doesnt

<p​reland:monero.social> (This should rly be listed on getmonero btw smh)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> they come and go

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> it was, in the Workgroups section. Was removed by erciccione.

<p​reland:monero.social> Ffs erc 😂

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> anyway, what does it matter>

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Core arent kings

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> they arent even stewards

<p​rivacyx:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/AwaAtcxSjPsLkNGOnGbsrepx

<p​reland:monero.social> They are the people that codesign Monero binaries, right?

<p​reland:monero.social> Or am I misremembering

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> The most recent "full" core team was fluffypony, articmine, luigi1111, binaryfate, noodledoodle, smooth, and othe

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> even before my tenure was over, noodledoodle, smooth, and othe rarely said anything (think onece every couple years)

<c​ornfeedhobo:matrix.org> Right here, you said that you wrote a blog post to show people how to start using the SDK.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> since then, smooth, noodledoodle, and othe have been AWOL afaiu

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> fluffypony voluntarily stepped down

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> in this sense, smooth, noodledoodle, and othe have never officially abdicated their position or been let go

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Diego is lead fingering of the pulse

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> this leaves us with FUNCTIONALLY three core team members, binaryfate, luigi1111, and articmine

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Luigi is basically controlling ccs

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Luigi control ccs wallet*

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Binaryfate control generalfund

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Binary is on a boat somewhere

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Articmine leads scaling efforts

<p​reland:monero.social> Uh oh I’ve heard this story before

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> living the dream

<p​reland:monero.social> Wait what I didn’t know that was a thing

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Ccs is, in theory, controlled by community

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Their responsibilities are currently divvied up as follows:

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> - Articmine does research (scaling, etc)

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> - luigi does CCS wallet, CCS stuff, merging

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> - binaryfate pays and hosts infrastructure, general fund

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Void the proposal, repurpose the funds.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> And merges website once a blue moon

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Or have fun getting more white hair on your head for this fool.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ArticMine: is probably the most annoying member of Core because he is always talking about topic that we forget and its especially tiring that he is most of the time right about scalability issues.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> ssince articmine focuses primarily on research and theoretical stuff and doesn't get involved in the day to day, we have two functional core team members for a "maintenance" perspective.

<p​reland:monero.social> This should be put somewhere on the website.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Why? It essentially means "we dont have a core team"

<p​reland:monero.social> Even if its temporary and will definitely change in the future, it should at least be there

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> as the literal only person who seems to know this stuff, yes agree

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> How dare you call Francisco annoying? Put on your gloves, you insolent kitty kat.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I'm a Monero historian, after all

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> We have 2 custodians and 1 researcher

<p​reland:monero.social> That would *also* be important to know lol

<p​rivacyx:monero.social> So moving forward kewbit are you going release for us to test then you get paid? I dont think you got anything to worry about re payment and anyone that steals your code will get ostracize by the community you know this

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> No

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> in the new website hopefully

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> He HAS to release code if hes releasing a test binary

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Why cause we are meant to split everything into workgroups

<p​reland:monero.social> Oh yeah forgot about that whole thing xD

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I don’t see it as competition in this case, it’s more ensuring that haveno is actually used how it’s designed to be used. I don’t actually care about money, I have a pick PC, two kids, a wife and a half decent house, im debt free. And I enjoy coding, what I have learned is bad actors tends to assume the worst of people because it’s a typical characteristic of their own a<clipped message>

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> nd therefore assume it in others. I’m not used to being surrounded by so many people that assume the worst right of the bat. I literally wanna code this, get paid just based on principle and common human agreement, without all the crap inbetween the milestones. I don’t care to ‘compete’ it seems to high risk, any of these morons trying to centralise haveno into something <clipped message>

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> like Haveno swap, are just going to get shutdown and thrown in jail. In more interested in other business ventures, I need capital for that, I must receive my capital for work rendered here, but thanks for the little story in your head.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Additionally to that, I would be willing to offer my domain to anyone I think can be trusted with it. Obviously they or the community would have to pay for its value.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Topic for another day though.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> They ignored my yes or no question

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I do acknowledge one error with my conversation with kewbit that probably led to this confusion btw. I listed the core team, but I never said I was not one of those people, and assumed kewbit knew them (cuz others had told me he had been around for a bit).

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I should have further clarified that I am not one of said individuals. Since I didn't, kewbit assumed I was, and made the leap that I was core talking to him.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> For this kewbit.org, I apologize. It was never my intention to mislead you that I was core.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> you should have warned him about me

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Remember he was being raided by the feds yesterday

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> He's not sorry about misleading public about haveno.com

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> must have been hard for family and the dog

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> What is the Italian thing you said at the end?

<p​reland:monero.social> Fair enough, that was just my attempt at understanding the situation

<p​reland:monero.social> As someone said earlier, this chat string is currently over half the length of the play Hamlet

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 0.000000000001xmr

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Aka a piconero

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I have no control over him admitting things incorrect that he's done. I can only control myself, and I would like to maintain my integrity by doing so.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> You said something really weird when you first messaged me

<p​reland:monero.social> *I* prefer the term taconero 🍷

<c​ornfeedhobo:matrix.org> kewbit.org: I don't see any posts on your blog, nor does the CCS have any comments about any such post.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> aha! I found it.

idk how i found kewbit.org/start-developing-with-the-haveno-dart-client originally but it's in my history

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…rstack.com/CWMnJPdCQTfUzvMJrcsOMLpJ

<s​iren:kernal.eu> looks like they never left because we were supposed to get the source code in an hour after they left

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> You asked if I was on the core team, and I didn't respond to this inquiry cuz I was typing and dealing with the kiddo and missed it.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> This was BEFORE I said who was on the core team bntw

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> This was BEFORE I said who was on the core team btw

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> YOU MISSED THE KIDDO ?

sneurlax: thank you!

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> He called the kiddo an "it"

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> stop ruining my jokes

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Not at all, and I’m begging to think you’re running out of ‘hate fuel’ since you’re now just parroting what you said before.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> It’s quite clear when to go to haveno.com it links you to the app, not the core project, obviously people will want the app, I need a relevant domain, so I got it. Again, still linking me to haveno.exchange, I offer them business level deals, I don’t think they had time to consider them, I figured I’d setup a site for the app, everything is different, all documentation, how <clipped message>

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> it works, it just made sense.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Once again, I'm happy to share the entire conversation if you prefer kewbit.org. I have nothing to hide, and made no attempts to mislead you.

<p​reland:monero.social> Gonna slip this in rq: Would you guys rather prefer I make a (definitely hypothetical) I2PD integration in monero-gui either 1. Use a library for integration, which will need to be updated every once in a while (and will be almost impossible to debug via logging as I’ve found) or 2. Use an external i2pd binary that can optionally be downloaded if the user wants to use i2pd, whic<clipped message>

<p​reland:monero.social> h will be easier and less resource-intensive but will potentially add an extra risk in the form of it needing to externally download the binary and execute it?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I and ofrn could be half sleeping we wouldn't eat a single droplet of your full bullshit

<p​reland:monero.social> I have done work on both 1 and 2, and I don’t know which path I should take

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I share snippets to cover my ass against accusations made against me, but I won't share the full thing without your permission as we value privacy here. :)

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> you can stay awake 72h saying things that contradict yourself again and again won't change your fate. you're cooked. release the source code or gfto

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Matrix has an "export chat" function which I've used and our whole correspondence is saved

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Okay I may have got it wrong, someone told me you like to act like a core member but are not actually one because you have some kind of butt kiss going with Luigi is what I remember now

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> LMFAO

<p​rivacyx:monero.social> WTF

okay, I think this conversation has run it's course. I think it would be best to close down the CCS or wait for another contributor

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> /me taps the sign

<p​reland:monero.social> Kewbit do you at least have a binary of some sort that could be ran? It won’t be a replacement for a full source release ofc, but it will stymie a fear that some of them may have: that you don’t have anything ready

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/iguCkFmnrBBJASznAgUhgebw

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Lol ^^^

<p​reland:monero.social> Didn’t realize Haveno was released under AGPL

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> three guesses on who

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Agpl and ccs require source if he releases a binary !!!

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> THATS NOT HAVENO

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> THATS KEWBITS WEBSITE

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> The link goes to KEWBITS repo

<p​reland:monero.social> Oh. 😂

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> No productive, actually, I rarely see any value from your comments. Other than bashing. For you to be mod on the Reddit for Monero is a bit of an embarrassment for everyone as a whole who works very hard to make Monero better. I would suggest you resign while also removing your post, and allow someone more appropriate to take your position.

<p​reland:monero.social> It wouldn’t replace it, but at least we would know that something is there

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> So you see first hand the misrepresentation

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> lol o... g... and?

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> It's so easy...

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Licenses exist for a reason

binaries would be counterproductive in this case

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> That would be a useful thing to have on the website

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Agplv3 = must release source if releasing binary

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> /me taps the sign

Question for everyone other than kewbit - what do we want out of this discussion? we already know that this person is good at responding to drama instead of data points. do we really think anything productive will come out of further discussion?

<p​reland:monero.social> I never said it was good, or moral, or…..well anything

<p​reland:monero.social> It would just prove that it exists. After all, he can’t release what isn’t there

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Binary without source? License violation AND ccs violation

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Ccs violation = cancellation of ccs

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> luigi1111: get in here so I can kiss that butt

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > There is no time where your work can be licensed under a restrictive license (even as you're working on it). Your proposal will be terminated if this is not remedied.

yeah, i think at this point it would be worth canceling the CCS

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Can I be as blunt as I can possibly be without fear of being cancelled?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Yes

<p​reland:monero.social> Probably not, but don’t let me stop you!

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> You have ofrnxmr's permission

believe it or not... cancelled

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> geonic turn on the recorder, film director!

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> There is a small chance that kewbit is not a bad actor, but has several mental disabilities that prevents them from being able to see themselves as wrong, and/or compels them to put up a stonefront on things they think are grievous against them.

agreed

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I’ve noticed you mention power a few times, is this your motive here? I know that a lot of people operate in this way. Personally, not that interested in power as you might describe it. How did you get mod btw, did you ask for it, maybe low key beg for it?

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> He already admitted that 800 messages above...

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> That was far too tame. Got me excited for no reason

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> That's no grounds to clutter this bs room all day though.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Your "shut the fuck up" earlier was better imo

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Void that shit and repurpose the funds already.

however, we already have the grpc code. it appears to be more or less auto-generated - anyone with flutter/dart experience could have made this. It sounds like kewbit isn't interested in releasing the next milestone which is the UI. Better to save us all the stress and move on.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> On this small possibility, I am willing to engage, and clarify several situations. Much of this discussion is ancillary, of course, but I believe it's worth laying out the facts, and letting him (and any onlookers know) how things are done, and give an accurate account on the things that happened in the past.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I still want to know about him, woodser told me he was fucked over

i really think we already know the answer here, just people are frustrated. Do we really think kewbit will all of a sudden get all of this fixed and release the code for review? I don't think so, so all this back-and-forth is a waste of effort.

<p​reland:monero.social> That’s what I’ve heard, but I’m pretty sure rottenwheel disagrees

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> 3000 IQ

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I'm sure woodser wanted you to speak about that in public

<p​rivacyx:monero.social> So can someelse take over the bounty and css if kewbit withdrawing?

<p​reland:monero.social> I’m pretty sure it was an open secret at this point, though all I’ve heard rly are rumors of neo-nazis getting pissed at Erc

<p​reland:monero.social> What’s the link to the CSS (no I’m not taking it over my hands are already full; I’ve just forgotten what this was all about anyways)

<j​oiboi.crypto:matrix.org> 😂

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> cornfeedhobo. the only reason I'm still talking here is:

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> 1. to not let this scammer write a full paragraph full of bullshit to try convincing people that aren't aware of how a liar and scumbag he is.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> 2. milking this guy for entertainment

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Can we confirm this perhaps and just have it on a team page in the site, at least in the CCS section if it’s accepted, maybe have an email sent to people saying these are the main people, ignore the wanna instils :)

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Like with a custom CI-CD pipeline on acceptance at the very least

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> What does it matter?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Core cant save you from me.

<p​reland:monero.social> Screenshot ring that

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I was asked by luigi (core) to look into the situation. If doing as he asked makes me 'wannabe core' then you can think so

<p​rivacyx:monero.social> ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/haveno-…atform-native-app-for-every-os.html

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I’m going ahead with it, yes. Unless ofrnxmr has some sort of sway to have it cancelled.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> no source, no pay.

honestly, I think even with source, unless ownership is handed over to haveno or some other entity, I just don't trust this anymore

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> NO YOURE MANIPULATING THE OPINION ITS LE BAD OR SOMETHING

this could be some weird long con. I just think it's better we all move on.

What's going on here

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> luigi1111 I'm sorry your brain

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Diego Salazar: since there is no previous work history, have you considered the possibility of the entire work (code, blog posts etc) of this person being AI generated? and perhaps he hit a roadblock now due to skill issues and/or he attempted to finalize the scam?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Either way, cornfeedhobo you are correct in the capacity that the terms have been laid out. kewbit.org there is no further discussion regarding your proposal. Let me outline the stuff here so it's not lost.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> 1. No payout will happen before source code is posted. 0% of it.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> 2. There is a chance that in the community meeting this Saturday that the community will vote to close the proposal as a result of your behavior here.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Point 2 is not an ultimatum (though you will probably think of it that way cuz you're dense), it's just a reality of how the situation as shaken out.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> bring that butt over here for licking

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> you're going to have a hard time understand everything through this chaos

<p​rivacyx:monero.social> Ok but this means we need the code released so please lets put all this walls down and get this damn thing rolling

<p​reland:monero.social> You’re going to need your reading glasses for this one; the chat log is more than half the length of Hamlet 😂😢

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Brrrr, when thru the buffer

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> kewbit.org: this is the only thing that needs an answer now btw. Responding to all this other stuff is wasted time.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> yes, of course. Decent likelihood.

<p​reland:monero.social> Also Luigi since you are here: I heard that the only other active members of core are binary and artix; is this true (just say “preland yes” if so)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Preland, you have to say

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> luigi111

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> artix? artix linux?

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> This is put in place for a legitimate reason and I agree:

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> 1. It does protect the community from potential malware attacks.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> 2. However it also tends to allow the resourceful to quickly and unfairly monopolise something that was designed to be decentralised.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> The problem is that Haveno as in, Haveno.exchange has the possibility to actually be decentralised, it’s not. I’m implementing a structure to prevent monopolisation, I’m even doing it for free…. Seperate project, doesn’t apply to code that must be released for this, but out of pure love, I will make that code AGPLv3 so federations can exist for true monopolisation, whet<clipped message>

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> her these top echelon hates like it or not.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> That include you, a top echelon hater ofrxmr 🤗

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> hihi he put an emoji so cute

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> At least you can take some ego from it

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Its literally a rule and a license restriction

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> That you are considered as such

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Has literally nothing to do with malware

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I know you’d want basic swap to succeed, you will do anything to make that happen, I get it. But you won’t fool me buddy.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> are you smoking crack?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> probably

<e​longated:matrix.org> What ?

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> lol these clown emojis

<p​reland:monero.social> As much as I hate to side with the guy that shot down a CCS that would’ve made me some money (tbf it wasn’t a well-written CCS) he is right

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ikr, its a special kind of emoji it only reflect how the people looking at it look like

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Almost every single person that talks in here has some kind of bias, or wants their wallet or exchange to succeed.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Alright. This conversation has indeed run its course.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Some kind of side business

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I'm putting a temporary ban on further discussion.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I'm avoiding work rn

<p​reland:monero.social> No, not yet, we still haven’t exceeded the length of Hamlet

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> well, from the matrix side anyways since that's all I have power to do

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> We can continue elsewhere

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> absolutely. Please do.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> We will continue at a link from my blog

<p​rivacyx:monero.social> No side business here just want the haveno app as its a tool help me prompt the use of monero in my community

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> unidirectional discussion, love it

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> kewbit.org: please refer to this statement for the final conclusion of this conversation.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> You can mute the irc bridge

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I’ll setup a home server

<j​oiboi.crypto:matrix.org> 😂

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> And thanks everyone for coming here and helping kill a couple hours with us

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Thanks kewbit

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Thanks mbll

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> now disperse. Nothing to see here.

<p​reland:monero.social> GL to all involved

yeah, i would support muting the bridge for the purpose of moderation. we'll convene again later :)

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Not unless there are any other concerns

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> I need Haveno-phone waaaaay more than basicswap.

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Please release the code so we you enjoy a payout and we can have a better backup plan.

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> kewbit.org

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Thanks Diego,

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Thanks ofrn

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Thanks mbll,

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Thanks Siren?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Thanks Diego,

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Thanks ofrn

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Thanks mbll,

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Thanks Siren

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Rust crate MIT source

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Wishing everyone a great evening. good day of work

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> I need Haveno-phone waaaaay more than basicswap.

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Please release the code so you enjoy a payout and we can have a better backup plan.

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> kewbit.org

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Where am I, you dick? 😂

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Otherwise I’ll continue in IRC

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> see you next ween

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Thanks Diego,

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Thanks ofrn

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Thanks mbll,

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Thanks Siren

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Thanks Syn

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Say my nick in French! It turns me on!

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> sorry thx rottenwheel

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> 😂😂😂

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> *la rouepourrite*

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> thank mbull for luck

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> hold on i need to fetch it

also, fwiw, i have archived all of kewbit's github repos. some have funky history. seriously, everything about this has gotten too weird.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/iTwrfblVymKeBxWWlOAkAtdj

syntheticbird didn't thank me :( and diego is telling me to get lost ;_; i hate core

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> thx sneurlax

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> you have to do what I say. I pay you.

<p​rivacyx:monero.social> thanks mbull🤣

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> No thanks for me? :(

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Thanks Diego,

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Thanks ofrn

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Thanks mbll,

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Thanks Siren

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Thanks Syn

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Thanks sneurlax

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Thanks geonic

<p​reland:monero.social> What abt me

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> ^ already done broski

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> ..Thanks preland.. i guess 😮‍💨

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> now get back to work

<e​longated:matrix.org> Get well soon

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I’m though my I’d get some thanks

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> you got one. Be grateful before i retract it

<p​rivacyx:monero.social> Thanks kewbit

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> The problem is I’m to Ruthless as bringing the truth to the table, so I understand why privacyx was the only one to thank me for my time.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> But I think it was productive.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Thank you all, the ones that added value and didn’t just bash.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> ofrn literally did it here kewbit.org

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I can’t see it

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> now shush and go work plz and ty

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> oh, cuz you muted himn

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> oh, cuz you muted him

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Ahhhh

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> lol well not his fault then

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Ok well since he thanked I’ll unmute

That last message makes me want to start all over again. I have no idea how this was productive.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> cornfedhobo, which one,

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> cornfeedhobo don't respond

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> nope

nope. i'm not doing it.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> don't answer cornfeedhobo

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> we're done here

++ have a good day y'all

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I'll start handing out temporary mutes. :)

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> good night

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Errr

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Goodnight !

<p​rivacyx:monero.social> Just go back and work on releasing the source code please lets put all this nighmare shit to bin

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> However I’m not entirely satisfied, that what constitutes this group is good. I’m going to advise the community to select a set of unbiased trust people. That don’t have side projects competing with each other.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I will continue work privacyx

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> It’s an unhealthy consensus of opinion and it explains the bullying

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Ehh, now I’ll consider it as conversation over

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/dZJlDiqtJxbdIBerWAVsREun

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> thanks mbll

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> thanks mbll

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> Why all this fuss about the shitty mobile frontend for Haveno, which still demands a dedicated desktop and Orbot? Just wait for Serai and move on. Clearly, Kewbit is a midwit. We'll just cook instead.

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Serai will do fiat2xmr?

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> How tf i'm supposed to get toilet paper with Serai or BSX?

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> Yes, it's called buying BTC, ETH, or other coins supported on a CEX with fiat, and then swapping them into XMR.

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> Want to use P2P? Buy BTC on a platform like Robosats or Bisq, and then swap it into XMR.

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> So you have to use an extra intermediary enyway.

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> fk, Can Ray just add XMR to the noones.com thing so we can call it a day?

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> Problem solved.

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> people need to obtain xmr to use haveno (intermediary required usually for people who have an issue with that)

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> if you want to getmonero you need to havemonero first

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> bisq 2.0 will have alot of bells and whisltes. i doubt haveno will catch up neither . so the time frame for a haveno gui to be useful is also closing

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> Bisq 2.0 will also support Monero eventually.

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> UI and UX is better, especially for beginners.

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/gDFjMudBlVyqftyvgJfQIvtA

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> Pretty much sums up the situation:

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/HJSeBlptZIfGAnhtcYOnNaEV

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> lmao

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> at the very end of the roadmap

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> The question is more : wen

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> haveno already works great for mid-sized fiat buys, bisq is arguably way worse in that

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> You can still use CEX with BTC and ETH, which are always supported, until Monero is integrated into Bisq.

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> Haveno is terrible. BSX is easier to use and install.

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> And that says something.

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> Q4 2025 allegedly but i dont trust any marketing until i see it

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> BSX work to swap yeah, but I really would like a direct way to get toilet paper, like we used have sadly.

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Swapping require more time and more fees and unpredicteable delays

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> have you ever even tried it

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> it is already better than bisq

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Haveno work fine imo, but the problem is that most traders that do that kind of p2p things seam to be into phones, at least in my location

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> going CEX -> bisq -> xmr is SO much worse than going Fiat -> xmr on haveno lmao

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> The Kewbit thing might help assuming they run desktop/laptop somewhere.

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> I know this hurts mbull because you invested lots of time into Haveno, but sometimes the truth hurts.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> nah bro you are delulu

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> youll have to do at least 2 or 3 btc onchain transactions on bisq which can take 2 hours to get confs

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> You're already required to do this for Haveno as part of the security deposit.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> you have to post a $70 bond vs 15

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> and right now haveno doesnt even have fees

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> Not good.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> if you have literally $15 worth of monero you can use it

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> bisq requires 70

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Right now best way is EX localbitcoins/localmonero traders, on telegram or signal. That work, no escrow needed

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> ask rotten how that went