<3​21bob321:monero.social> SDK where ?

<j​0j0xmr:monero.social> ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/vd-wallet-sdk-android.html

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> He means "where"

<j​0j0xmr:monero.social> Must not be native English speaker. Guess he meant to say "wen".

<3​21bob321:monero.social> If*

<3​21bob321:monero.social> 9months soon™️

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 19* months

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Thats may 2023, not 2024

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> merge request was opened only 653 days ago, these things can't be rushed

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> like painting a large bridge - when you get half way FCMP++ is being released

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Wen monero polymarket?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> SDK vs FCMP++, which will be first

<j​0j0xmr:monero.social> Is there a date for FCMP++?

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> OTHER >quantum broke all encryption

<j​0j0xmr:monero.social> Is there a date for FCMP++? <<>> 1 year from whenever the question is asked

HF date

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> July 2026 binaries, as per nioc

that was a pessimistic guess

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> i think its realistic

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> We take 4-6 months to release background sync after testing on master. will probably be similar 4-6 months on testnet before we set a fork date on mainnet

wen 0.18.4.0

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> too soon

monero is wonderful, always something to look forward to :)

almost 11 years of constant improvement

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> tari says its coming in april nioc 🧦

I heard

great, now I know when eoy 2020 is

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> it is a bargain for the amount of work that is being done. This proposal contains three products that will make it easier to accept Monero online and easily selfhost the checkout page. No docker + walletrpc + db necessary. Just one executable and a sqlite db. There is also a vision to add more multi signature functionality and escrow features to this Payment Links product. We sta<clipped message>

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> rt with the basic features that people know from stripe payment links. Later on we add the ability for customers to select escrow service providers during the checkout flow. The Browser wallet will do the communication seamlessly behind the scenes via a REST api. I also think your attack regarding security is hollow. If you would read carefully you will realize that this extension<clipped message>

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> will work in a javascript disabled environment. Might as well attack any electron wallet app. Or any wallet app that makes requests to servers that could be dangerous. I read many browser wallet code bases and most of them are indeed how you describe them. But this is not the case here. It will practically shrink the attack surface and reduce the chance for phishing attempts beca<clipped message>

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> use you will have the ability to split your key material over multiple devices and verify the correctness of the transaction on multiple screens. I also disagree with your assessment that the three deliverables are not closely related. It seems like you didn't read the proposal carefully and took the time to understand what it is about. Anyway thanks for your feedback.

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> although vtnerds proposal is merged to funding, feedback is still encouraged - want something specific done with monero-lws? to focus on some other area? let him know repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/553

<3​21bob321:monero.social> yest docker /podman image !

<3​21bob321:monero.social> wasn't vtnerd doing something with tls between nodes ?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Pr has been up for testing & review 4 long time

<x​mrfailed:matrix.org> "Did Serai exit scam?

<x​mrfailed:matrix.org> Did Serai exit scam?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> 🧠

<x​mrfailed:matrix.org> I thought Serai release was coming up, but there haven't been any updates on the discord since 2024

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Yes. They took all of the users money /s

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> abandoning a software != exit scam

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> and no afaik KayabaNerve is still working on it. I think there are some audits still going on?

<x​mrfailed:matrix.org> What happened with Serai?

<x​mrfailed:matrix.org> Yes, our time was wasted, and time is money

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> nothing

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> wdym

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> handle checks out

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 🦄

<x​mrfailed:matrix.org> I helped with the testnet. There were promises made that it would release in 2025, and Serai was overhyped within the ThorChain community. If there is no Serai, I wasted my time for nothing

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> release in 2025

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Bro lives in a fantasy

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> not release Q1 2025

<x​mrfailed:matrix.org> It's supposed to reference monero.fail. Do you know that site?

<x​mrfailed:matrix.org> With no updates since 2024, I'm not holding out hope. Monero's community has a reputation for letting people down with false promises

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> good morning Kewbit

<x​mrfailed:matrix.org> I just want a clear answer. Will Serai be released in 2025? Yes or no?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Yes

<x​mrfailed:matrix.org> That's all, thanks

<x​mrfailed:matrix.org> I'm not a fan of Bitcoin

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> That is a quesiton you should ask in serai discord tho. Serai isn't a monero project

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> KayabaNerve explicitly stated and made it clear

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Serai is not a project of the Monero communityt

<x​mrfailed:matrix.org> There haven't been any activity or messages for a few days

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ok well why don't you create the activity?

<x​mrfailed:matrix.org> All the Serai shills in the TC discord are from the Monero community, whether you like it or not

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> instead of spawning in monero channel claiming monero community is a scam

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ok nice to see you again Kewbit

monerobull is the only serai shill

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> plowsof please proceed

this is indeed offtopic / dumb

<x​mrfailed:matrix.org> What is wrong with you?

<a​remor:matrix.org> What is TC?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ThorChain

<a​remor:matrix.org> Thorchain I guess

<x​mrfailed:matrix.org> I'm not a Bitcoin maxi. Is this how the Monero community treats people who ask questions?

<a​remor:matrix.org> I’m ok with a ban in this case. No patience

<x​mrfailed:matrix.org> Kek

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Is this how innocent people looking for informations spawn in channel to call a community shiller and full of scammer ?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> next time make your hypocrisy more subtle please

<x​mrfailed:matrix.org> I'm being honest, I don't care at this point. My question was already answered, and I've been told that Serai will be released in 2025. I don't know why you keep calling me a cool Bitcoin maxi for asking questions

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> LMFAO

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Kewbit is a "cool Bitcoin maxi"

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> 🧠

<x​mrfailed:matrix.org> Crazy

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> > My question was already answered

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> btw your question has not been answered since the only one capable and having the authority to answer it is the lead dev himself

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I say yes based on your misunderstanding on what is a point in time and what is a priod

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> period*

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> release in 2025 means it can be released within 2025

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> NOT 1ST JANUARY 2025

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Serai will be a game changer

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> you hyped me

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Serai will be a game changer

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> Monero: took part in the Serai testnet, you should be thanking him for his service and move on

<x​mrfailed:matrix.org> @monerobull:matrix.org I sent you a message

<j​0j0xmr:monero.social> "Bargain."🤣

<j​0j0xmr:monero.social> We have BTCPay Server support that makes it simple to self-host and accept XMR online.

<j​0j0xmr:monero.social> And we have wallets that scan QRs that make it simple to spend XMR online.

<j​0j0xmr:monero.social> You should try it, literally every wallet has had that feature for years.

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> where you asking about haveno release date?

<a​remor:matrix.org> Nope

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> "i agree with aremor and ive given up on this. it either launches as a money laundering operation or 2 more weeks"

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> aremor: you left this room when it didnt release in your time frame Lmao

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> "Trigger warning before mentioning time frames for aremor please "

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> i digress

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> BTCpayserver is bloated and not monero focused. (look at the name). It is good that it supports Monero, but it is really besides the point. I am aware of QRcodes. I have implemented (and obviously used) QR code based flows. I think they have their place, but they are not the end all be all. I addressed in the proposal and in the answer how the browser wallet based approach diffe<clipped message>

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> rs and why it has benefits

<a​remor:matrix.org> I left when there was no moderation & Luke was dangerously close to quitting the project entirely

<j​0j0xmr:monero.social> You can literally install only Monero plugin, and soon run it with remote node.

<a​remor:matrix.org> Quoting someone else’s misinterpretation

<j​0j0xmr:monero.social> And its the highest quality and most supported self-hosted checkout software by far.

<j​0j0xmr:monero.social> "QRs are not the end all be all, give me 335 XMR so you don't have to copy paste addresses (or use QRs anymore, they're dated!)"

<j​0j0xmr:monero.social> Honestly, the CCS really brings out the imagination in grifters.

<j​0j0xmr:monero.social> Like that guy who wanted to make the most convoluted "offline" setup for grandmas because hot wallets are insecure for day to day spending. 🤷‍♂️

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> I am not saying its all bad. It had a bunch of CVEs and has a lot of features that are not Monero related. It adds a lot of unnecessary friction for monero users and it feels odd to send Merchants that are interested in accepting Monero towards something that has BTC in the name

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> anyway it is really very tangential

<j​0j0xmr:monero.social> It's as seamless as you need it to be for a self-hosted setup. Once remote nodes are supported, it'll be insanely easy.

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> anway its just unrelated to my CCS. this is not meant as a competitor to BTCpayserver. It is focused on Monero related features and it will go in a different direction.

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> do you work on a mobile wallet?

<j​0j0xmr:monero.social> No, but I use them often enough to know that I never have to copy paste between my wallet and Tor browser!

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> do you browse the web often on your mobile phone? how do you scan qr codes on websites while browsing on mobile?

<j​0j0xmr:monero.social> And even if I do, because I'm using mobile Tor browser, its such a non-issue that doesn't need solving. Copy, paste, done!

<j​0j0xmr:monero.social> You think we need a mobile wallet browser just to skip copy paste? Are you OK in the head?

<j​0j0xmr:monero.social> Have you had any CCSs before?

<x​mrfailed:matrix.org> What about Serai and Monero's future? It might end up being like ETH where dapps are widespread. An extension wallet like Metamask would be helpful, but I think paying over 300 XMR for it is asking for too much. Chill out btw

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> Previous CCS @ repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…als/-/merge_requests/501#note_28799

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> I think you should read the CCS again. It is much more than just not having to copy and paste addresses. There is also a library underneath that will get a ton of new features as a result of this. I also would be thankful if you could be a bit more friendly. I know this might be an emotional topic for you, but just common courtesy is good.

<j​0j0xmr:monero.social> Browser extension wallets are horrible and unnecessary, especially for XMR.

<j​0j0xmr:monero.social> It's just tiring to see the CCS be used as a cash cow for ridiculous ideas. Literally people creating solutions for problems that don't exist just to get money.

<x​mrfailed:matrix.org> Coming from TC, you don't know shit. Browser wallets are useful

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Another day, another CCS J0J0XMR will go length about why he doesn't see any sense.

<a​remor:matrix.org> The last place I want my money is in my browser

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> and yes I agree it's way too pricey imo

<j​0j0xmr:monero.social> So sir, you don't know shit.

<j​0j0xmr:monero.social> Sorry sir, you don't know shit.

<j​0j0xmr:monero.social> Browser wallets are *literally* the future.

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> (thats why there will be a companion app, so you can spread it over to your phone + possibly other hardware devices as well)

<x​mrfailed:matrix.org> Not everyone is a shizo Monero user. Having a browser wallet can make it easier for people to switch from Phantom/Metamask to Monero

<j​0j0xmr:monero.social> You scan QRs codes? What is this, 2019?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Buttt saaaaaaar you gotta use le Brave Wallet, it's 99.500000000000000000000000001% done

<j​0j0xmr:monero.social> Those non-schizo users will just use the countless transparent chains already supported on MetaMask etc.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> xmr <-> BAT natively supported

<x​mrfailed:matrix.org> With LWS, browser wallets will be even easier to use. It will be as seamless as Solana, without all the hassle

<j​0j0xmr:monero.social> Yep, but does it solve the copy/paste issue?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> this so much true

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I'm ready to give 4 billion dollars to exterminate the Ctrl+C/Ctrl+V

<a​remor:matrix.org> This seems to be duplication of monero-ts

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> this does not use LWS. It works like a normal wallet. Sharing secrets with a server is a bad idea. (LWS is still useful, but for different usecases)

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> no

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I'm still surprised btw that no one is making reference to the monero payment typescript library from kyun.host

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> It's kickin

<a​remor:matrix.org> Ass-coin exists for those people

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> zealotry is shit

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> you want adoption and take people for dumb shit? thats not how it works

<j​0j0xmr:monero.social> Not even, most websites now just let you click/tap the copy icon and removes the need for CTRL+C.

<x​mrfailed:matrix.org> You want to gatekeep Monero for no reason? What's wrong with this community...

<j​0j0xmr:monero.social> But that STILL doesn't solve the CTRL+V problem!

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> What's wrong with you summarizing an entire community over literally 2 or 3 people in a chat

<j​0j0xmr:monero.social> Monero users are more technically, security, and privacy focused than the average crypto user.

<j​0j0xmr:monero.social> There's a reason a browser extension wallet doesn't exist for XMR, because its a horrible idea.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> indeed every new projects are always occupied by the nerdiest of us all. Doesn't mean the project needs to forget the entire world in the process, unless it wants to die eventually

<x​mrfailed:matrix.org> Sniffing your own farts

<j​0j0xmr:monero.social> In before "but what about the grandmas who will want to use XMR."

<a​remor:matrix.org> We should just fork doge so we can accommodate everyone! What good is a different feature set?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> in bf4 "SEE THIS CCS DOESN'T MAKE SENSE"

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> !RemindMe 1000 years

<x​mrfailed:matrix.org> 90% of the drug users who use Monero aren't smarter than the people working in the trenches. I don't even think they know how to provide LP or what DeFi means

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Theyll run their own lws

<j​0j0xmr:monero.social> LOL what does LP or DeFi have to do with Monero?!

<j​0j0xmr:monero.social> Nah, they'll just build a NoShore setup. Easy as.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Monero is Web3 ready!!!!

<x​mrfailed:matrix.org> Serai idiot

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> pardon me

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Monero is Web4 ready!!!

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Web4*

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> plowsof ban kewbit please

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> weeb5

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> STFU AND TAKE MY MONEY

<x​mrfailed:matrix.org> Not everyone wants to provide liquidity on Cake Wallet. Frontends will exist, and a browser wallet can make the process easier

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY

<x​mrfailed:matrix.org> Or perform swaps

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> baiting 2 rusty screws and 1$ of freshly mined BTC and a bottle of shampoo that xmrfailed is techleaks24

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> We need a weekly shitposting workgroup meeting

<j​0j0xmr:monero.social> horizontalsystems/unstoppable-wallet-android bd32182

<j​0j0xmr:monero.social> ofrnxmr: Looks like we made a dent in UW's plans.

<x​mrfailed:matrix.org> Kek

<x​mrfailed:matrix.org> Were they going to make people pay to use Monero in their wallet?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> They were going to make people pay to opt out of data collection, to use tor, to add a duress password

<j​0j0xmr:monero.social> Is Duress Mode also remaining free? What are they charging for then?

<x​mrfailed:matrix.org> 🤡

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> that is crazy

<a​remor:matrix.org> Complete scam operation

<j​0j0xmr:monero.social> Almost as crazy as 335 XMR for a browser extension wallet.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> It was my plan since the beginning

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> fuck WRONG ALT

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> In light of recent events: monero-project/meta #1163

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Maybe markets stuff? i dont yse the gplay version, so i'm not sure what theyre charging for.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> fdroid version should remain 100% free, according to their twitter response

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> yeah it is crazy. It will be a crazy amount of work. But I want to do this ever since people complained about the lack of privacy weeb3. Metamask did what they did with millions of VC dollars. Now they are focused on institutional investors. I saw other wildly used wallets lose its way as well. Its a shame that they once drove innovation and now this energy is gone.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> # ***weeb***

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> i also think its interesting that darkfi decided against going towards the browser which is a mistake

<a​remor:matrix.org> Hard pass

<j​0j0xmr:monero.social> Never going to happen on Monero.

<j​0j0xmr:monero.social> Or maybe they are sane and know browser wallets are stupid.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I remember some people saying that about Cuprate

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> good ol time

<j​0j0xmr:monero.social> Totally different.

<a​remor:matrix.org> Rust is actually useful + kill tech debt

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Another day, another CCS J0J0XMR find to be stupid

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> im sorry but yes its too much money

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> but it's not stupid

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> There are drawbacks yes, but it's not stupid

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> they are going to reinvent their own browser from scratch. There were so many competitors and potential sidetracks to the history of browsers. Think java applets and flash. The risk of going away from the common path is that you end up building another java applet or flash. A lot of time spent on reinventing the wheel somewhere in the corner while technology moves forward

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Rust is a cultist language with no benefits. C fuzzer are way more performant. Co-signed by SimpleX CEO

28 days in feb, community meeting on the 1st of March 18:00UTC

new comment on BTCPayserver plugin repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…als/-/merge_requests/538#note_28917 cc sgp_

<s​gp_:monero.social> I agree it's important to maintain, it's just that switching to lws seems like a significant change for a minor benefit (imho). The only people who want this will be the btcpayserver hosting companies. If they're footing the bill on a version that would cover this, then by all means take a stab at an lws version

<s​gp_:monero.social> There's the broader question about where the new plugin repo should live, and that's not answered. I _want_ MAGIC Grants to be able to host it, but our developer isn't skilled in C#

<s​gp_:monero.social> I had them look at it for a week and it didn't go anywhere :/

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> is deverickapollo part of the team / CCS grant proposers?

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> nvm just saw it ( answer is yes)

<s​nowman:tetaneutral.net> Using lws is good for businesses. Good to see major player moving toward it.

<s​nowman:tetaneutral.net> Wallet rpc is garbage in comparison and not meant for this kind of thing

<s​nowman:tetaneutral.net> Significant more extensibility with lws

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Patch note:

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> - We've increased pressure on vtnerd shoulder by 550000%

<s​nowman:tetaneutral.net> It will bring more dev involvement into that project

<s​nowman:tetaneutral.net> Which should get move under Monero repo in the future

<s​nowman:tetaneutral.net> Darkfi is making new browser?

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> the features they implement will eventually lead towards browser like functionality

<s​nowman:tetaneutral.net> I’m not familiar enough with that project. Do you think they should build a wallet for existing browsers

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> I just think the approach of not building on web technology is risky. The danger is high to get lost in the weeds.

<s​nowman:tetaneutral.net> Are there any browsers that aren’t moving toward highly locked down permissioned extension systems

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> regarding the BTCpayserver proposal: it is well written, but the vibe is a bit off to spend resources on something with BTC in the name.

<s​nowman:tetaneutral.net> Btcpayserver is a very modular product. It’s not shoehorning xmr into a complex btc codebase.

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> the technology is fundamentally neutral as it is open source. But it is on us to make sure the final product is not highly locked down.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Its not well written. It tries to sell itself as if the plugin doesnt exist, and that btcpayserver monero integration will cease to exist w/o it

<s​nowman:tetaneutral.net> So will users just need an lws server or will they need to run a node and lws with the new plug-in

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> users will wait for a monero supporting third party hoster to appear @ directory.btcpayserver.org/filter/hosts

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> okay that is new to me. saw it as well written because it seemed like they have a half way realistic outlook on how much work it is.

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> or deploy bitcart.ai themselves :S

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> monero=lws setup is a bit complimicated

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> did you come to that conclusion after reading the code base or after seeing an advertisement?

<s​uperquantum:matrix.org> What's the best options for Android Monero wallets?

<s​uperquantum:matrix.org> Cake wallet is fine?

<s​nowman:tetaneutral.net> Ive seen the Xmr integration code. It’s could be much worse.

<s​uperquantum:matrix.org> What are the best options for Android Monero wallets?

<s​uperquantum:matrix.org> Cake wallet is fine?

<s​nowman:tetaneutral.net> Looking at some of these multi coin wallet code out there

Cake wallet is ok

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> what do you think about the code base as a whole? learned C# as my first programming language. it has been a while. i am taking a look at it now. forgot how verbose can be

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> what do you think about the code base as a whole? learned C# as my first programming language. it has been a while. i am taking a look at it now. forgot how verbose code can be

<s​nowman:tetaneutral.net> Well it has been around for a very long times. C# was probably a very normal choose for a large project like this if the developer had that in his tool belt

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…/kernal.eu/WdkTleUUFoUqnZpEEWaxnPgZ

<s​nowman:tetaneutral.net> Your language isn’t good if it doesn’t have a shady corporate overlord funding it’s ecosystem behind the scenes

<s​nowman:tetaneutral.net> Doom can now run on typescript types btw

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I've seen this

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> horrors beyond my comprehension

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/1izhfp…ro_as_if_peoples_lives_depend_on_it

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Erc just released an essay

thanks mbll

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> i am happy for eric though

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> or sorry that happened

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> i am happy for erc though

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> or sorry that happened

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Erc20 got fired by firo ?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Eat some cement and harden up. Got offended by a symbol.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And monerochan

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> no one touches monerochan

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> she is our goddess

<l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> >A well motivated journalist can kill Monero and make it untouchable for regular folks by simply digging into it

<l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> lol. nobody cares.

<l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> monero is trusted and used because it is battle tested. although I do agree with him that the dev fund hack was handled poorly and the recent ospead stuff (lack of a coordinated release) was bad

<e​longated:matrix.org> Be that journalist

<l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> unironically I am lol

<e​longated:matrix.org> When death?

<e​longated:matrix.org> Opsead and no urgency for fix/hf is surprising as if nobody cares

<l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> yeah they don't want their bags to dump. it's cringe

the article would mean a lot more if it wasn't coming from Erc

some valid points

<e​longated:matrix.org> Or they don’t have any bags anymore

<l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> from what i understand there is a blog release incoming. so hopefully we can get a date set up to discuss hard fork options. having a summer hf to hold us over to fcmps is probably the best option. gives us more breathing room for the audits and carot

<a​ntilt:we2.ee> more hardforks are a good idea imo.

<l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> It would jolt the network too

<a​ntilt:we2.ee> more hardforks [ smaller steps ] are a good idea imo - esp. for network stuff (peer selection and decoy selection)

<l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> Remind everyone that we gotta wake up for fcmps

<l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> Only big issue is exchange and wallet coordination IMO.

Pull requests always welcome, lets jolt the network 💪

<a​ntilt:we2.ee> not necessarily. (backward compatibel)

PR transparentcy into core team

<a​ntilt:we2.ee> but I bring it up here and not in MRL, because devs are prob aware of all the tradeoffs. But community should not be scared of hardforks.

he thinks there's 7. i read here there's only 3.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> A backward compatible hard fork? what strain are you smoking?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Good thing we only have like 3 exchanges that actually deal with monero on-chain

<a​ntilt:we2.ee> i think you know very well that different versions of monerod can work p2p no problem in a transitional period.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> We're talking about a _hard_ fork

lol

explains why the convo wasn't making sense from the beginning

<3​21bob321:monero.social> We hardfork every 6months !

<e​longated:matrix.org> Not in distance past

<a​ntilt:we2.ee> i think you know very well that different versions of monerod can work p2p no problem in a transitional period. edit: to clarify, a fork that changed bits of the protocol, but would be (largely) backward compatible may still be called a softfork if you like.

<a​ntilt:we2.ee> but I bring it up here and not in MRL, because devs are prob aware of all the tradeoffs. But community should not be scared of hardforks.

nobody is scared of them :)

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> except for spoons

MyMonero (and its forks) are scared of them lol

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> 1000056213.png

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Someone should remind cake that they have their own twitter accounts as well

<u​ser2570:unredacted.org> Who owns that @monero twitter account?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Shit like this makes my opinion of cake actively go down

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Which is a shame because I like cake

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> We don't know

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> They literally hijacked it and aren't responding to the community

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> It's an absolutely ridiculous situation

<u​ser2570:unredacted.org> Ridiculous indeed

<u​ser2570:unredacted.org> Will this Monfluo wallet be any good?

<u​ser2570:unredacted.org> codeberg.org/acx/monfluo/releases/tag/0.6.0

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Haven't checked it out yet

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Looks like it's GUI inspired

<u​ser2570:unredacted.org> Ok, another question:

<u​ser2570:unredacted.org> ofrnxmr says openmonero.co is a scam, can someone explain why?

<u​ser2570:unredacted.org> Just found out the "open source" onion git is unavailable...

<u​ser2570:unredacted.org> Ok, another question:

<u​ser2570:unredacted.org> ofrnxmr says openmonero.co is a scam, can someone explain why?

<u​ser2570:unredacted.org> Ok, another question:

<u​ser2570:unredacted.org> ofrnxmr says openmonero.co is a scam, can someone explain why?

<u​ser2570:unredacted.org> I just found out the "open source" onion git is unavailable...

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Localmonero.me

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Yes

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Use retoswap.com