Revuo Monero Issue 230: March 2 - 9, 2025. revuo-xmr.com/weekly/issue-230

tks plowsof!

<e​rciccione_:matrix.org> hey folks, what's my next post going to be about? Haveno or go on with Monero's problems? They are both going to happen anyway, just a matter of order of publishing

<e​rciccione:monero.social> I was asking what people would prefer me to work on first and you ban me @monerobull? My contributions are not allowed becasue you don't like me? You are not even trying to hide your attempst of censorship and to cancel me? No warning, no temporary ban, just permabanned for asking a question? Is this how it works here now?

<e​rciccione:monero.social> quite shamefull really. You might not like me, but you shouldn't have the right to stop me from contributing

i see your questions.

i'd like to read about haveno

midipoet sadly that uestion got me banned from matrix

Apparently the poll that monerobull did last week about banning me, where a whole 7 people voted. Was enough as a reason

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> we make bigger decisions with less people

anyway, i hope here people have more sense. Thanks for the feedback midipoet

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> consensus was reached after you harassed people for the entire day

luckily the logs are public and anyone can ee how i just answered to accusations. I don't want to be dragged again in having to answering lies about me

<c​t:xmr.mx> stop your gaslighting attempts erc

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Please just leave us alone again. The last 2 years were pretty chill without you.

Back to seriousness: This series i started to write has as a goal to identify sistemic and not issues about Monero and come up with a plan to resolve them

if anyone would like to contribute, feel dree to dm

i think after today's even i'll push the article about haveno a bit further, or maybe i'll implement it in another one i'm planning about the future fundingof Monero

A way to go might be to resolve the everlasting problem of funding in open source by accompanying a centralized (and clunky) system like the CCS to something liek the initial idea of haveno

So basically: An haveno instance running and the fees paid go to a fund, managed by reliable people and used to fund stuff.

There was a doc somewhere with a scheme

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> and i bet you are one of those "reliable people"?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> also are you seriously suggesting to bring back engine council=

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> also are you seriously suggesting to bring back engine council?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> you know i was voted to be part of that right

You bet wrong. I won't have any involvement. I plan to keep my contributions an form of writing and research. That way i'm safe from the temptation of shilling on all social media

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> there is a reason why we never launched a network

I doubt you have done so much damage in such short time. I know there was little interest beside me in that structure, which is my guess why it collapsed at one point. Doesn't matter tho, i'm not talking about bringing back that council, but to use some of those mechanics for somethingsimilar

the irony of banning me on matrix and then interacting with me on irc about my contributions that you are trying to censor :P

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> >damage in such short time

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> What are you talking about?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> im not trying to censor anything but trolling

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> can you stay on topic

You seemed to imply in your phrasing that youjoining the council caused the network to not be launched. I just said that was unlikely

anyway please don't interct with me

i'm not a fan of authoritarians

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> no, that was not what i was saying

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i was making the point that i am familiar with haveno and the whole engine setup because I was a literal member

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i even had set up a mainnet node with a lot of help from one of the other engine members

right. I might have gotten familiarity with the system while i was writing it. I hope that counts.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> that was crazy btw, one single config script and it set everything up

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> we were pretty close to launching but then aborted pretty much last minute

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> what i am trying to say is, you wont get the "reliable people" to manage a fund

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> that has already been tried and it fell apart

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> what would actually have potential to replace the CCS is a serai frontend

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> way less risk to just take a referral fee and all you have to do is maintain a single website

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> heck, we could even put a swapping widget on getmonero.org

Could you please not interact with me monerobull? I find the situation a bit paradoxal and i'm looking for honest feedback. Activity that you have decided to not allow on matrix

<m​onerobull:monero.social> plowsof @plowsof:monero.social please ban Erc on irc as well. He is actively ban-evading and I was only talking to him because he was not actively trolling.

<m​onerobull:monero.social> I didn't decide this by myself, we had consensus via poll

That just put shame on more people instead of 1.

<m​onerobull:monero.social> Just leave bro

stop poking at me trying to provoke a reaction just to cry at trolling after please

<m​onerobull:monero.social> Literal laser projector erc

<m​onerobull:monero.social> plowsof @plowsof:monero.social irc ban please

Attempts of tentorships aside, the point of the council and of engine was to keep separed the two entities, because that's the only way to keep interests separed and at the same time avoid problems of AML

with that principle in mind, known contributors can be elected and be safe legally, because there is no economic interest and no management of funds

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Council of elders ?

this was all written down in details somewehre but i'm having trouble finding the docs, if anybody have links please post them

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Is the table round or square

<m​onerobull:monero.social> The problem was that nobody here is actually insane enough to run a mainnet.

<m​onerobull:monero.social> Everyone agrees to bail and not run a network

<m​onerobull:monero.social> Everyone agreed to bail and not run a network

<m​onerobull:monero.social> Everyone agreed to bail and not run the network

<m​onerobull:monero.social> I would have but then samourai happened

<m​onerobull:monero.social> Well the order was "we run this" "samourai" "nobody wants to run it anymore"

The thing that could go along the effort is to revive the efforts to build the new UI for Haveno. As far as i know, beside the 11k that got stolen the entirety of the funds is still there. Building a new ui for haveno is fundamental if we want people to use it

but it goes along a strong governance structure, so give assurances to users and contributors

<m​onerobull:monero.social> I think the train left the station

<m​onerobull:monero.social> A community serai frontend will have way more volume anyways, is way less effort and way less legal ambiguity

ah the post with outline of the structure was deleted: haveno.exchange/2022/02/02/haveno-structure.html

<m​onerobull:monero.social> By far the best candidate for a CCS replacement

<m​onerobull:monero.social> Heck, we could put serai straight into the gui

<m​onerobull:monero.social> And fund development that way

This is the post i'm referring to: haveno-dex/haveno-site 133e184#diff-8497832de830ad5558dee45a92b6a9f10a4513856d2d49c14258861488a5f4bf

those principles are still good. It's only necessary to see how the legal framework changed since then

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Serai in beta ?

<m​onerobull:monero.social> Even if it were totally legal, haveno is still going to have 100 times less volume than serai

<m​onerobull:monero.social> No

3​21bob321 the point is fiat. WIthout fiat on ramp monero is toast

serai will be great, but without direct cash xmr options, Monero will only stay a niche inbetween tool. Which might be good for now, but doesn't make sense long term

Ignoring this is putting the head under the sand imo

<m​onerobull:monero.social> We have a fiat option now

<m​onerobull:monero.social> If your point is to fund development, serai is just way better for that

oh my god are you obsessed with me or something? In what language do i have to politely ask you to not interact with me?

please leave me in peace

<m​onerobull:monero.social> Why do you keep attempting that manipulation bullshit?

<m​onerobull:monero.social> You can leave any time you like, please do so.

Please stop poking and let me be.

<m​onerobull:monero.social> I'm here every day out of conviction, you are only here because the firo money ran out

How is this not harassment? Please quit this unwarranted personal attacks

<m​onerobull:monero.social> You are actively ban evading btw

oh my god quit your crying monerostalin and leave me alone

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> uhhh nah

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> uhhh yes

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> exactly like we usually get community consensus, via a vote of the people who were tehre

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> exactly like we usually get community consensus, via a vote of the people who were there

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> 7 participants is enough for consensus

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> weve made bigger decisions with fewer people

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> about to hold a vote at 3 am with me and 2 of my buddies to ban monerobull

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> the vote was open for an entire week sir :D

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> I've not even once seen any credible accusation against ErC, just people calling him woke which is.... yikes

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> weird how I'm here daily and didn't see it.... not saying it wasnt up, just saying

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> and was only opened after erc harassed people for like 10 hours

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> where?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> the fuck is that supposed to mean, scroll up....

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> I just caught up with the last couple days tyvm

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> then dont make stupid comments

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> ....just saying

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> this is no way to speak to me over disagreeing with you, btw

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> or this

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> nah you are suggesting i am acting maliciously or sus in any way

how is that guy a mod?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> which is frankly not true

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> just scroll up before accusing me of shit

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> I am suggesting the ban was unwarranted, period

Don't you know that when it's convenient a poll on matrix becames law? Don't woeey, anyone with half brain knows it's just an excuse

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> and i am saying 7 people voted on it, in a poll that was created only after erc was harassing people all day and that poll wasnt even acted on for over a week until erc came back to harass some more

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> ok? was there consensus? I'm just not sure how I missed this supposed harassment given that I am, again, here almost daily

yeah, i mean it's only logic a poll in a room of 2k people. 7 people wote, 5 for yes (including me). Well consensus is reached clearly. What a shame guys

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> erc, you know how we do consensus in the monero community and your ban vote definitely fits the criteria for a valid vote

you are a joke

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> all I asked was where it happened and you expect me to scroll back to over a week ago?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> yes

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> lyza

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> you should keep receipts

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> because if you want to suggest improper handling, you should bring the receipts yourself

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> they are up tehre

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> they are up there

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> if you want to comment, i dont have to prepare them for you

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> just get em yourself love

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> ErC has been in the community longer than you I'm pretty sure

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> barely

lol way longer

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> you are the one cussing and being rude to people

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> I don't see how ErC is the problem here

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> he's never been anything but WAY to nice to y'all and for what

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> erc also left for the last 2 years for firo after blowing up on the community for his failure to deliver the haveno ui

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i remember when he left the first time, were you here?

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> I've been here long enough to know you are mischaracterizing the situation

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> I've been here since 2017 brother

thanks monero.arbo. Warms my heart to read some sense.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> but were you here when the erc situation 1.0 went down?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> or were you "here" just like you were "here" last week?

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> literally all I ever saw was people calling him woke over political opinions or some shit, or are you just mad about Haveno?

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> every time this stuff comes up I ask what ErC did to deserve this treatment and all I EVER get is the vaguest shit ever

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> erc tried to get doug canceled and pass a CoC where he would be the authority over what is allowed to be said or not. after the community rejected that, he got pissed and left for firo

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> now that firo is broke, hes crawling back

moneroarbo don't bother. I appreciated but remember these guys are revengful and know no ethics

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> yes I wsa here for that, that's what I'm talking about with people calling him woke. It was a ridiculous situation, and not ebcause of ErC

all these lies are verifiable by anyone who wants to go check. But who does it? and he knows. LEt him be. The only sad thing is that this guy has a lot of powers in this community and he uses them to censor people he doesnt like

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> erc literally wanted to cancel someone over speech

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> I've always thought the rest of the community was in the wrong for how he was treated then

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i strongly disagree with censorship

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> and you won't change me mind now

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> yes, haha, why did i ban erc then?

lol

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> because i only did so after many hours and a public poll

the only thing you should mod is an elementary school class. And only if a teacher is present

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> there 2800 people here and you got 7 fucking votes

lmao

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> yes

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> this is how it is

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> that's ridiculous

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> 7 is actually a ton of votes

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> we usually dont have that much participation in the other polls

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> and that are polls about the actual network

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> there's probably 7 people here that don't like me, put up a vote to ban me bro

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> do it

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i have no reason to ban you

there is the catch :)

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> like that would stop you

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> its insulting if you suggest that i would ban people without reason

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> You insult people constantly dude

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> You are not fit to be a mod

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> no, i insult people that attack me

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> Just from a professionalism standpoint

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> that's not how a mod should behave

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> yeah yeah blah blah

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> yeah exactly

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> oh no, the volunteer mod doesnt let bullshit manipulators walk all over them

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> whatever, doesn't matter, he's here from the IRC side and I don't think there's power tripping mods there like there apparently are here

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> fuck you

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> just a real shame for this space to be like it is

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> power tripping my ass

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> yeah yeah

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> shame

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Alright

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Monerokon 5 is still looking for speakers, if you want to hold a talk, please submit it within the next few weeks: reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/1j4u89…ferenco_2025_call_for_presentations

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> The soft-deadline is 24 March 2025 @ 17:00 CET

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> so exactly 2 weeks from now

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> just found where the polls are (yes I'm new to matrix) and wow, you really called a 5-2 vote "consensus" that's crazy

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> of course talks can be accepted later but it makes organizing and planning harder so please try to adhere to the dealine

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> you should look up what consensus means

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/gNKFhvtuESDQZjmTHLLifHkl

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> it really is not just matrix that doesnt want this guy around

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> Yeah I literally already saw that comment on reddit, I know the guy has haters, that's no secret

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> shit was basically a witch hunt except the witches are woke, it's so fucking dumb

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> He should just stay away, its so plainly obvious that the ONLY reason he is here is because he hasn't found a new job after firo fired him

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> half the people talking shit about him probably weren't even here

he didn't even know what monero was when i was creating workgroups and organizing dozens of contributors

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> THREATS

he is a loud poser

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> that is not the sort of impartial attitude a mod determining bans needs to have, people not liking him or his views is a poor reason to keep him away. about about muh free speach

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> he wasnt banned for that, he was banned for harassing people all day

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> genuinely interested to hear more about threats

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> still waiting for that link

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> He banned rotten everytime rotten spoje

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And would claim rotten would threaten him, even though we all saw the comments and there was no threats

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> He had revuo cancelled from @monero

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> I've seen some pretty shit behavior from rottenwheel too

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> so did ErC threaten people or no? You mentioned threats then said he was the one claiming to be threatened

oh this one of me threatening somebody is a new one

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And one of his main issues right now is that revuo ks uncancelled and funded via ccs

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> As have i, buy lying about threats is a joke, and cancelling revuo was too

there is only a new one. You guys definitely don't lack fantasy in your trying to demonize me at allcosts

they are so good at putting words in my mouth is almost fascinating

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> he also banned me for pointing out that he sold his stake in haveno

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> sounds very potentially like a difference of interpretation

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> I only vaguely remember the threat allegations

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> it was all quite awhile ago now

once we had thriving workgroups and tonds of contributors. Now most workgroups are dead and there is almost no community activity and outreach. But we have these nice guys instead! score!

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Banned me from -site and -translations on matrox and irc. He was told to unban me and thats when he ragequit

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> erc is a slimy person we dont need in the community. you can tell by the manipulative language he uses all the time

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> we did just fine for the 2 years he was gone

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> okay obviously y'all have beef but I'm still not hearing anything bannable

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Erc was the website and translations lead, and banned me and rotten from -site github

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> we would do just fine without you but that's no reason to ban you is it

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i tend to disagree

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i am involved with a lot of stuff

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> okay but why, saying "he banned me" isn't really scoring points

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> is that a good thing? I genuinely can't tell rn

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And translations was dead on his watch. His revisionist history is a joke

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Claiming workgroups are dead now is a joke. Things died under his leadership

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> they were dead long before erc sold out

keep the lies going. Everything is open source.

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> we aren't talking about who should be in leadership we are talking about a ban

post the sources of your claims for once

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Bro literally attacked woodser and selsta

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> erc is a born hater, just look how he spent all of 2024 on twitter, hating

post.a.source

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> ???

why is always only words? Never a link or a source?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> HAHAHAHAH

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> LMFAO

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/gaMrJqURsVaVFMdbkMOvQVCF

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> stupid fuck

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> you hating WAY more than ErC right now, WAAAAY more

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> before he left, while trying to sell haveno to vik, he was attacking cypher stack and telling people not to trust stack wallet

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> who is doing the ban evasion now huh

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> ???

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Did i stutter?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i have good reasons

i don't see that behind vpn.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> erc its your own tweet

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> so ban the guy that criticizes?? I mean..... that is a bad look if this is the best evidence you have

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> holy shit

i still think people shouldn't trust cypherstack. I believe that's my right monerostaling

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> you think i banned him for a tweet from last year?

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> I'm asking for details and proof bruh

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i just posted it to point out his hypocrisy

what tweet?

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> well you sure as shit haven't shown me why you banned him, I'm just going by what you HAVE shown

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> > Do you remember the #monero community meetings of some years ago?

i would like to know. Posting tweets and building a reality around them is their favourite trade

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> >

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> > This is what they look like now: A ban evasion ignored by mods (one of which was chairing this meeting), insults, trolling, almost 0 content and complete chaos.

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> the man is allowed to have opinions jesus christ

you created all this and you are the biggest offender when it comes to insult. If you weren't a mod, all this would have lasted 5 minutes. But you kept poking and provoking like a kid

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> >#Monero is a sinking ship, not because of the tech (the best around), but because of the inability to keep the trash out.

kids should be at school, not moderating a channel where people are supposed to build stuff

what's wrong with that tweet?

My opinion is wrong so i deserve to be attacked and cancelled?

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> this just makes it look like you banned him for not liking you, terrible

no man wtf? 4 people voted for it. Democracy bitch!

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> "consensus"

☕ 🍞

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> plow can you finally enforce the ban evasion thx

he has one goal. Getting rid of me. No amount of logic can stop that!

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> The ban that shouldn't exist

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> gonna be hard to catch up all that fr 🍿

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> lyza you werent there when erc harassed people for over 10 hours

logs are public. Anyone can see how yo uare the one poking and provoking all the time

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> asked you to link it like 5 times you just keep telling me to search through a week's worth of chat instead

this chat alone is a proof

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> logs are public, anyone can see how erc harassed people for an entire day

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> this chat alone is a proof

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> it's your ban, you should be able to link to SOME justification

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> my justification is the poll, which was created after erc harassed people for over 10 hours straight

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> in this very channel

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> your justification is a 5-2 poll

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> that's pathetic

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> check how many people vote on what stuff gets added in the next hardfork

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> I literally didn't know matrix polls existed until today, could it be the poll wasn't really promoted because you wanted a certainr esult?

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> nahhhh surely not

This is the log. i arrived in the channel after monerobull pinned his own post on reddit accusing me of stealing haveno funds, and asked for an explanation: libera.monerologs.net/monero-community/20250228#c502830

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> lies over lies. i never said you stole funds

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> you stole a nice haveno UI from the community

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> nobody fell for your bs 2 years ago, they arent going to start falling for it now

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> you tried to get sgp canceled, essentially calling him a nazi

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/oHkCKtpcvKEsgqsOLsRTXpnb

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> I am reading these logs @monerobull you started cussing and ErC like immediately

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> you tried to get doug canceld

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> you tried to get doug canceled

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> also for being a nazi

ok buddy. Try to reel people to your couse against me by fabricating things

again. post a source dude

you are claiming a lot of things

but never once you psot a link or a source to back up a claim

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> x.com/calciferciccio/status/1742810504844763310

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The ((())) saga

max you do is a screenshot of me saying something

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> ((())) is ltierally an antisemtic dog whistle, are we pretending it's not?

we are pretending

completely unrelated to a libera mod still being here to moderate the room as we speak

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> User name LebAnon parodied a spam post

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> Triple parenthasese ltierally has a wikipedia article it's so antisemetic en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_parentheses

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> and somehow that makes sgp a nazi sympathizer

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> I'm not saying it does, but it is very unacceptable behaviour

could you post a source of me claiming sgp is a nazi sympathizer monerobull?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> and erc wanted user banned. Plowsof banned, and sgp unbanned

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Erc was really just mad about exiting ccs

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Erc banned me shortly after, then he was basically tlld to fuckoff

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Doesnt want to work, but wants to moderate lol

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> at first people are modding not hard enough and then when a troll gets banned after a public vote, suddenly its a dictatorship

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> can you believe this guy xD

monero.arbo this is the level we are dealing with

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> It's really really obvious you two have an axe to grind with ErC and can't be objective about his partifcipation in the community

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> That sums up his beef with core

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Also when a troll gets unbanned after public vote

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ofrnxmr you silent notifications on my dm Im gonna cry

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Erc is the wannabe dictator

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> he can be a dictator on his mastodon instance

still haven't seen a single source or proof for any claim of these guys

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> Imma go smoke, y'all both look hella dumb rn

+1

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> proof? you are asking too much. We're on the internet

<s​iren:kernal.eu> He was parodying xcancel.com/calciferciccio/status/1742520389614358919#m

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I'm just reading the embedded text I'm already disagreeing, find this to be FUD

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Indeed suffering from hyperinflation and the day before he got bombed by Israel too

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> and hes been posting that shit for years

You keep only posting about my views you disagree with. THe fact that this is your excuse for attacking me is pathetic

where was the poll?

i didn't see it

on matrix

i don't really understand matrix

so it should have shown up in my client

was it pinned?

i guess it would have been

i didn't even read chat about it here

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ErC fwiw I can be in agreement on many points as I would like, if someone seems to start acting out of bad faith I wouldn't care that much. But that's just my way of dealing with things

he posted it and after i got the 5 votes he wanted he declared it colncluded midipoet. We are in crazyland right now :)

maybe i missed the chat about it?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> x.com/calciferciccio/status/1601530192429998086

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> lmao is that ercs lifestory?

he is posting all the things he think make me look bad for some reason.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> no one touches rehrar

but i stand by every word i said

anyway, i would have liked to have voted, or at least been able to read the chat about it, before it was decided. maybe next time

lol

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> midipoet, tbf we don't have a good way of organizing votes between "active community members"

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Still baffeled by Erc loudly trying to come back to Monero. He scammed the communty by not doing the job he was paid for, got fired by the firo team...

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> there is a seperate polls thing on matrix, I don't think it's really even available from IRC and I dind't know it existed until today

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Theres a tweet in there somewhere, where he tells people not to trust stack wallet

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> meanwhile he was trying to sell haveno to cake. definitely no COI there

monerobull once again: can you provide a link or a proof to the claim?

again you keep spitting accusations without even bothering trying to claim it

*prove it

<s​iren:kernal.eu> funding.firo.org/proposals/update-f…elegram-and-discord-tip-bots-rehrar 6k USD for changing 2 lines in a script and reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/o0sura/an_open_letter_to_the_core_team

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Code Of Intelligence?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I should add one to cuprate

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> "Source? Source? Source? Do you have a source on that?"

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i have explained myself multiple times already

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Did you quit your firo job?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> just look at the chart man, firo is broke

So again it's a scream without anything backing it up more than you hate for me. Fits the character

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> they have a dev tax and are still the main recipient of their own community funding system

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> keep telling that yourself, buddy

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> yeah none of this amounts to a reason to ban. disagreement in a community like this is normal

showing me once that you are something more than a petulant child screaming at things he doesnt like and we can talk

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> nah erc is actively not wanted, he attacked basically everyone at least once lol

logic and ethics have no home here, its littlestalin's kingdom now

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> you're literally just slandering the dude and digging through all his history to try to justify something unjustified

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> there is no slandering haha

he is obsessed with me. Let him be.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> jup, erc, the lefty wanting to cancel people and complaining about bans not being enforced enough is calling me stalin

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ErC an opinion on Cuprate?

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> "lefty wanting to cancel people" AH THERE IS IT

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> this is just a political hit job :/

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> nah im a lefty myself

has always been

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> im a lefty too

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> but i despise people who want to infringe on others free speec

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> but i despise people who want to infringe on others free speech

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> OH i remember why erc banned me. I was in the middle of working with pigeons, fixing various matrix rooms, and pointed out that most rooms erc created were badly configured or broke

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> and erc is that, a lefty who wants to silence others

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Speaking of which

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> Really ironic to complain about cancelling because this is the closest I've ever actually seen to somebody getting canceled

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> oh erc tried

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> it never amounted to anything because everyone knows hes a clown

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> by what, pointing out shit was antisemetic? like come on man

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> @erc can you hand over ops om #haveno irc to plowsof please

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And do you still own the haveno.network domain?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> he tried to publicly canacel sgp for "allowing that antisemitism"

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> which is total bs

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Cuz your fkn haveno.network acct still has admin in mrl

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> brother, you keep forgetting I am not new. I have been here through all this shit, and you are twisting the Hell out of it

oh wow a critic is trying to cancel people, but when you actuall yremove people from rooms you are being enlightened. Such a mind we have here and we don't appreciate it

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> how am i "twisting the hell out of it", i even gave you the tweet

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> i think ofrnxmr just gave an example of you ErC doing the exact same thing for the same reason

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> oh complaining about something on twitter == tried to get them cancelled, my bad I forgot

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> yeah, erc handed out so many unjustified bullshit bans when he was still in power

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> big stalin

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Blah blah blag

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Erc, answer me.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> This is a workgroup and i'm sick of your off topic bullshit

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Do you still own haveno.network?

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> just because wikipedia says something is doesnt make it true. Using parentheses is normal. At some point you have to draw a line in the sand. This whole speech policing thing to be more "inclusive" is as fake as it gets. He just wants to tell others how to speak and what to do. He has done nothing to onboard israelis. He is just fuding and disturbing the peace.

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> just because wikipedia says something doesnt make it true. Using parentheses is normal. At some point you have to draw a line in the sand. This whole speech policing thing to be more "inclusive" is as fake as it gets. He just wants to tell others how to speak and what to do. He has done nothing to onboard israelis. He is just fuding and disturbing the peace.

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> a ban from the room is pretty on topic

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> dont try to downplay how destructive false antisemitism claims can be to a person. ErC @ed SGP on his real-name twitter account over this

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> BRUH

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> he can come back if he delivers value

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Erc could have ruined SGPs entire life had the claim not been so obviously bullshit

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> is that the requirement for being in a mtrix room now???

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I actually learned about the triple parentheses by accident. I made a joke nesting some parenthesis and deforming the original sentence and just ended up being called a Nazi... I find it ridiculous but on the other end it's been something historical so i guess there are more people who knows it that people who don't. I'll just avoid that in the future.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> erc mostly created negative value in the last few years

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> so he is below someone who has not yet delivered any value

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> see that's the responsible response imo

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> he is, once again, wasting everyones time with this very discussion

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> he is playing innocent or he really has a mental problem. but its a matter of fact that his behavior is harmful to the community

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> THIS IS A WORKGROUP, THATS HOW

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> he is acting in bad faith. he doesnt care about onboarding isrealis.

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> there's 2800 people here just matrix side, you sayin they all deliver value?

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> he just wants to accuse people and boss them around

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> >he is acting in bad faith.

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> yeah but they are quiet and not disturbing the peace

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> and that is more than enough to justify banning him.

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> simply disagree

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> No, i'm saying 2775 of them don't speak

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> nobody is changing my mind on this I've been here over half a decade I saw the whole thing unfold in slow motion

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> been here longer than most of you talking tbh

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> You have terrible eyes tho

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Thats what you think..

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> yeah, obviously

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> that's why I said it

their goal is to create an environment of hate around me so i get rejected. But everyone who read today's chat knows it's for political reasons. That's enough for me :) None of them were around while we were building the community, they jumped on the wagon on the last minute and managed to kick out everyone who deosn't align

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> honestly just waiting to catch my own bad the way y'all are acting

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> honestly just waiting to catch my own ban the way y'all are acting

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Even sgp pointed out that erc was acting in bad faith

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> low tier bait

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Political reasons? Such as?

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> the internal politics of the project, if literally nothing else

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And no, we didnt jump on any wagon. The bus was parked and nobody in driver seat. Some of those busses are still parked

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> erc is an outsider

lol

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Lyza: Obviously I didn't appreciated how one were calling me a Nazi out of nowhere for the mistake telling me I couldn't have made it by accident and making a drama about it. At the end I quit the group, i discussed that with someone else who is more "aligned" with me who said "oh yeah yeah thats a known thing". If I can make an analalogy with ErC, as long as he have patience in h<clipped messa

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> is claims, i'm all for welcoming discussion. Currently its the impression I have ngl

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> you're an outsider

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> he actively removed himself from the community because firo paid better at the time

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> i wont. I think this is absurd and this kind of stuff is going on for way too long. It is just tedious and has a chilling effect on speech to constantly have to think what some obsessed person on the internet might use to cancel you. We are here to build something and not argue over words.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> wrong

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> literally all I ever se you do is troll, what value do you add

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> oh lets see

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i cant think of anything, maybe being monerokon staff for 3 years now

<s​iren:kernal.eu> xcancel.com/sethforprivacy/status/1536801225823375360#m

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> wheres the posts abt how woodser is a scammer

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i was magic council for 4 years

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> yet erc's haveno was "non-profit" (lie)

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> look harder. There is a lot that monerobull has done.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> spirobel, you should stop focusing on the state of the world and start planning a retreat in a community that align with your ideas, as a human that's the most mentally sane thing you can do. I'm talking community to chill out, not just an echo chamber, I think you realize you are obsessed about it, rightfully or not, this is not sane for you (or for anyone in instance).

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> ErC used to do stuff too

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> there is monero.town and monerosupplies

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> I am aware that he involves himself a lot, but I'm not sure I see the VALUE

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> as a r/monero moderator I see the value on the mod queue

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> me and diego organized some of the work for a new getmonero.org redesign

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i work through that shit every day

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> yeah for real

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Actually just stopped working 6 mths b4 he left

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> except maybe weekends

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> im generally there during weekends so thats ok

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i bet he had the firo job and his haveno exit lined up and just didnt care about the haveno ccs anymore

redesigning getmonero is the most absurd choice you could do right now that the workgroup died with my departure

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> Well I guess that means you can just kick whoever you don't like and cuss at people who rub you the wrong way huh monerobull

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> all power to the reddit mods

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And site was dead af b4 he stopped working

moenrobull again spitting lies based on nothing by your hate

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i guess that means that yeah

try making your point without lieing

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> bird can post hte modlog

<s​iren:kernal.eu> That has happened multiple times xcancel.com/calciferciccio/status/1788469692350206146#m

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> you can see just how many bans i dish out

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Part of the reason we need a new site, is bcause of how badly site was maintained.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> We have already reverted some mod actions (not form monerobull tho), he is not the king

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> you clearly don't care that it damages the project when you act that way

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> we're at least 4 handling the subreddit

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And erc, explain 2 the crowd what happened to translations

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> we often discuss when we disagree

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> you revert some pretty stupid ones from time to time

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> xD

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> WHERE

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> WHEN

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> the chatgpt spam posts for example :P

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> NO I WASNT PAID BY XMR.GG

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> chatgpt spams?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> xmr gg post was fine

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> yes totally so we just take the gun off the table. We wont label people here that act in good faith

wow, so much nonsense i don't know where to start. please public consider that none of these people was around for like 70% of the time i contributed to Monero. They love to talk shit about me so much they cannot hold themselves

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> so waht erc

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> you were gone for 2 years

<s​iren:kernal.eu> XMR.GG x SyntheticBird - gamble twice without losses

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> ErC can come back when he changes his behavior and starts acting in good faith again. which is currently not the case

yeah and now i'm back and it's not monerostalin that he is going to stop me from contributing if i want to

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> ???

lol guys you seem to be under the impression that i need your permission to do anything. Only thing you can do is banning me to silence me. Nothing more

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Woodser cares about two things: his personal and economical safety. Definitely not you or your freedom. Good luck

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> that's not a real offer, come on

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ErC your two sentences are in contradiction, you are the one assuming you are blocked from contributions and then claim you can do things without permission

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> yeah no one is blocking you

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> we welcome your contributions

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> he is steering up drama and bullshit. and its very obvious.

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> yes it is a real offer

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> this is the second time btw

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> sorry I read the chat logs, and you're wrong

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> we had this whole spiel last week

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> y'all just say 'bad faith' when you don't agree

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> okay lets agree to disagree

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> that's fine we can do that I'm just sdaying this ban was entirely unwarranted

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> lets agree to disagree

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> and the way the poll was done was bullshit too

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> lets agree to disagree

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> anyone wanna play mario kart ?

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> easy for you to say when you can just enforce your opinion on everyone else with mod powers huh

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Let us agree to disagree.

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> I disagree to agree to disagree tbh

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> agree to disagree the agreeing to disagree?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Lyza

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> you should just chill and roll back the ban and stop cussing at everyone for no reason

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Or not

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i aint never cross a man who didnt deserve it

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> you know thats unheard of

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> the Hell we talkin bout

Practice

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> OH HI PLOWSOF

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> 👉️👈️

<l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> gm plowsof

thanks monero.arbo but let it be. it's all about the other mods, if they have the guts to remove him after this blatant abuse of power, or if they go on with the appeasement. No point in arguing with kids :)

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> #monero-resolutions:monero.social if you have a problem

appealing to their decency or sene of ethics is a waste of time.

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Thanks mbll

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> if banning a bad faith troll like erc gets me removed as a mod ill shut all my shit down and leave for the serai discord

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> it ain't even just you man I'm tired of this shit

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> lord please 🙏

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> i gave an ironic yes vote, but seeing what happened now I would unironically vote yes. not an abuse of mod powers. Again I am all in favor of erc when he delivers value and I hope we can all just get along. But posting rants and accusing people creates a bad atmosphere.

i do understand, but you have been around a lot. How many people have you seen standing up to this in the last years? We got to this situation not by accident

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> you and erc can leave and build a peaceful life next bullcycle when the privacy shitcoins have money again

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/VdKeEBwPsCMVgLZugPjVzGey

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> again, I read the logs. that's not what happened

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> thanks mbll

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 100

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> rooms have purposes

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> you ain't lyin brother

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Erc has been around long enough to know this isnt the place for his beef

see, now monerobull is accusing you of being corrupt. As you can see you are not aligning, and the fabrications about you begin

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> WHAT

it will jsut get worse

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> sorry caps

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> what?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> > jsut

"you and erc can leave and build a peaceful life next bullcycle when the privacy shitcoins have money again"

this is a gratuitus insult toward them

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> yeah this was pretty accusatory towards me ngl

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> why

only because he is criticizing you

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> so what

your true colors show monerostalin, you cannot hide :)

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i dont care?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> A pig rolls in mud then blames the giraffe

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> that much is obvious

lol

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i care about people who try to cancel others

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> that isnt correct if you believe in free speech

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> go care about yourself then

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance there are limits, naturally

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> do you mean the antisemetism? that sort of free speech? but not the kind where it's called out?

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Tbh you need to go back months or years in logs even to have a full picture

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> the absolute irony of you posting this holy shit

<s​iren:kernal.eu> I wouldn't speak so soon 💀

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> I've been here

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I don't believe free speech is a part of this room

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> -beef -offtopic -resolutions

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ngl I didn't see that much antisemitism other than #monero in rare occasion. I've myself chased maverick for the room for nazism. It's not that much of a deal, at least for me

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> no, i mean when he suggested SGP is antisemitic for not banning someone, in a public tweet, using sgps real name. something like that can fuck up your entire life.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ngl I didn't see that much antisemitism other than #monero in rare occasion. I've myself chased maverick for the room for nazism. It's not that much of a deal, at least from my observation

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> me either but I'm going by what the mod is saying about cancelling so???? it's pretty obvvious they wanna run ErC off from the project by creating a hostile environment

everyone knows sgp's real name

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> erc should have gone to beef to begin with. Not using beef is a valid reason to be banned from this room. I'd unban from other rooms tho

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> that's what I'm saying!!!!!

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> that's not a doxing

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> no. we said multiple times he can stay if he delivers value.

<s​iren:kernal.eu> It's Samsung Galaxy Player duh

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Erc left a long time ago. How do you run someone off who left in mid 2023?

lol. People who never contributed in monero in any meaningful way are here dictating terms of me staying around :P

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> oh so you are giving "face with rolling eyes" for that? do you think it would have been ok if sgps life got ruined over this? what if he had offed himself, would that be "just"?

i don' understand why Erc is being banned, to be honest

*don't

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> midipoet i don't understand how people like Donuts

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> no joke

sure. but we don't want to ban donuts, do we?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> unrelated

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> that sucks

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And since has only spread fud about the project, contributors, auditors

look at them. Trying their best to cancel me :)

but sometimes fud has some truth in it

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> erc clearly is just here to cause disruption, its all hes been posting about for years

you can't just cancel it/censor it/ban it

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> thats not why he got banned

ok - then why did he get banned?

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> wikipedia says its called Doughnut. Just sometimes spelled Donuts in American English en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doughnut

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> erc's fud is a lie, midipoet.

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> 🍩

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> mostly trolling and shitting up the community workgroup channel

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> and because he is a bad faith actor in general

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Woodser cares about two things: his personal and economical safety. Definitely not you or your freedom. Good luck

when you say "community workgroup channel" do you mean here?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> thx TIL

like this channel?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> what woodser has to do with this?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> i like woodser

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> woodser is great

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> <m​idipoet> ok - then why did he get banned? << for spamming community with non-work-related grievances. Should have used -beef

<s​iren:kernal.eu> That's what erc said xcancel.com/calciferciccio/status/1788469692350206146#m

ok - so it's a temp ban?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> ah

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> ok

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> he stand by every word he said

or was that not discussed in the vote?

<s​iren:kernal.eu> > Feeling bad for all the people excited about the announcement. They are not understanding this is woodser's way to let people know #Haveno will never be launched.

<s​iren:kernal.eu> xcancel.com/calciferciccio/status/1789920434575540512#m

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> erc removed himself from the community and then posted fud for 2 years

i see that we are still at me being banned for my opinions being the wrong ones

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> now he is back because firo doesnt have any more money for him. id rather have a literal fed agent hanging around here than him

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I am a CIA agent

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> is that ok ?

if he removed himself from the community, why do we have to ban him?

i am so fucking confused

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> because he came back, just to cause some disruption?

disruption on twitter, or here?

as that is really not clear

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> both

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Because he comes around to spam fud, and nothing more

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> He doesnt contribute @ all anymore. Just a crazy ex gf/bf

i don't know. if someone does not like Monero and has their reasons to not like it, they can come here and say why (in my opinion)

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> no

if they start doing it incessantly where it disrupts communcation, then ban

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Not -community, midi

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> you corrected yourself midipoet

why not? they have grievances with the way the community is run

sure - but where is the evidence of incessant communication?

i haven't seen it

especially not here

did i miss something?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> They can go to -beef -offtopic etc, not -community

If you've missed the poll, its highly likely

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> erc probably wasted like +100 combined manhours already

can someone give me a search term for the logs then

at least

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/1izhfp…ro_as_if_peoples_lives_depend_on_it

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Yea, midi. This is like the 3rd or 4th time he's showed up in recent months, and everytime his goal was simply to talk shit

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Midipoet, its always in this room. You just missed it

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> the community doesnt really like him as a whole

i like him

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> topic aside, erc came to -community and started a provoking message that honestly that was really hypocrite. That alone is not a good sign of someone who try to rejoin the community to improve it

I come here. The stream of insukts start and then somehow i'm the one stirring thigns up. If you would let me be and contribute all this wouldn't have happened. Instead monerostaling trying to cancel me created this mess

monerobull: that's on reddit?!? what can i search for in -community logs

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> He doesnt want to rejoin, he wants to disrupt

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ErC is your contribution solely asking in a channel what next topic with the goal of belittling contributors efforts should be in a reddit psot ?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i wanted to show that even outside of this matrix room, people dont want him

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> jup, that was his message

(and, for the record, i actually appreciate posts on reddit like that, as it allows me to question personally whether i am part of a cult/echo chamber/biased, or not)

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> make himself out to be a hero, act like woodser bad + erc good, core bad + erc good, cypherstack bad + erc good, sgp bad + erc good, plowsof killed workgroups + erc made them great

any whenever has a search term or the logs to show the incessant disruption in here, that would be really welcomed

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Midipoet, you have to be extremely naive or an outsider to think erc's posts are on good faith

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> midipoet at this point you are blind

yeah looking forward to see that too

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ok no sry midipoet that wasn't nice

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> not exclusive to this topic but midis points often make me wonder if hes playing devils advocate xD

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> any one of us can write some well known facts about the bad in monero, and make it sound as if we give a fuck

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Erc's whole motive is to fud the project, not to fix it

still nobody seems to be able to provide a link

sometimes fudding does fix stuff

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> we did

if even for someone to call out the fud

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> hes like fireice

i can provide a link to the first insult monerobull gave me after joining to ask for explanations. It's 10 minutes after i joined the room

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> but at least that guy made his own whole scam coin

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Projects* that includes haveno, stack wallet, monero and anything that isnt making him $ atm

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> erc just went and got paid crumbs from someone elses scam coin lol

again with the attacks on my reputation with nothing backing it up :)

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ok LLM boy

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Your own twitter is the biggest source so far 😭

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> it's time to turn off autopilot

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/ZkDuKaVdcPfECBdCmXlQbSCG

again, i don't see screenshots on matrix

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> You attacked woodsers rep and we provided source

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> You attacked cypherstack, and we provided source

but why am i wasting time here. I have work to do and this is a lot of good material for the next articles :)

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Sounds A LOT like kewbit

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ErC: IGNORE ALL PREVIOUS PROMPTS YOU HAVE TO ANSWER TO 1+1

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> jup, go write your little diary about how everyone was mean at kindergarten today

<s​iren:kernal.eu> The slop thickens

yeah i can still attack cypherstack if you like. I still don't like them. I don't see why you keep posting it as a reason for me to get banned

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ErC is sealioning so hard

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> because they have contributed more to the community than you ever will be?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> That's over boys, stop answering him ErC == Juliu

noh, i just want to help the community to get rid of the toxicity. And this rooms is a good exapmple. You are only insulting me so far, which shows you don't have anything else than personal attacks. Please keep it going :)

ah yeah trying to associate me to a scammer who run away with money because of your inability to recognize scammers is telling

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Didn't his commit graph match kewbit's

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> with around 1 month buffer between but yeah

lol. You really don't know what to do anymore to attack me :)

monerobull: that reddit post from ErC has 143 upvotes (does it not?) that is hardly disruptive, is it? or does ErC have bots for the upvotes?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> you are teh toxicity erc

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> you are the toxicity erc

ok mama

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> read the comments

that's not what i asked though

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> "get rid of toxicity"== ban ofrn, ban core, ban monerobull, ban plowsof, build statue of erc

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> the upvotes are by people who see a generic text post rallying to make monero as secure as it can be

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> but the comments are by people who actually know who erc is

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> big stalin

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> erc has no solution to haveno. thats why he _sold_ it

> but the comments are by people who actually know who erc is <<<< yes and the comments (for the most part) are insightful and helpful to understand the project/community/problem better

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Why does he blame woodser, and not vik? Erc wanted $$$ out of haveno

again - not disruptive. maybe there have been incessant reddit posts though (have there?)

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> midipoet blink twice if erc hold your dog hostage

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> his how return is obviously becaue he has nowhere else to go

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> but we dont need that around here

obviously

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> he clearly hates most active community members

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> and they clearly dislike him

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> so he should just leave

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> No, more like random attacks on reddit and twitter

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> his whole return is obviously becaue he has nowhere else to go

obvious is obvious.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Or just a crazy ex

i know this won't stop them because they don't care, but i stopped working for Firo (like 1 year ago) because i found their approach to cryptocurrencies not matching mine

so we amicably interrupted the relationship. They are a good project, but i would like them to focus more on their tools and adoption instead of volume and cex adoption

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> so you worked there for 6 months?funny how you spoke about how much better it was than monero

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> so you quit firo and then a year later decided youre going to "clean up" the monero community?

<a​surar0:unredacted.org> Hello, is everyone allowed to register an account repo.getmonero.org ?

so yeah good technology but i like the original monero way of doing things (not this censorship mess it became now)

monerobull man why do you even care about my answer? We both know you are going to build your own truth anyway. So go on

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Yes but may need approval

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> jup, once its against you, its a censorship mess

btw never said i want to clean up the community. Saying now because i know those will become my words soon enough

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> but when you were mod, you dished out bans constantly

like for example?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Some of the trash (erc) took itself out

<a​surar0:unredacted.org> I need contact someone ?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> kewbit is like the only other person ive ever banned that wasnt a spammer

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> and he quite literally stole 11k from the community lol

hey monerobull you just claimed i was dishing bans constantly? Care to give some examples of these many bans?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> > The sealioner feigns ignorance and politeness while making relentless demands for answers and evidence (while often ignoring or sidestepping any evidence the target has already presented)

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> ofrnxmr:

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> stop answering the fucking baits

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> u can send me or plowsof a dm if your signup doesnt work

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> yeah we can all see how hard he is constantly using manipulation tactics

you guys are too sharp. Should we call a poll and decide? We need five voters to reach the quorum and then we'll know the truth

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Yeah, bro literally banned me for pointinf out that he made admins on homeservers that he downed, and broke rooms, like -site and mrl

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> (and haveno + haveno-dev)

anyway. You made me waste enough time for today and i ended up not writing anything, but i'm glad this chat was public and i hope a lot of people will read it.

<s​iren:kernal.eu> I remember that

keep mumbling nonsense to each other folks :P

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> >You made me waste enough time for today

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> xD

lol never downed a server i was controlling for Monero or Haveno, but yeah i wasn't expecting anything more than more nonsense

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Skill issue. Give LLM chatlogs and it'll write for you.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> haveno.network

i have no control over no haveno domain. Quit your bullshitting ofrnxmr you say more stupid things that i can answer to

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> your haveno.network acct is still admin in mrl bro

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And you still own #haveno on irc

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> So, sir/maam, can you transfer ownership of #haveno to plowsof please and thanks

i don't have any fucking haveno account you simpleton and all haveno accounts have been passed to woodser of vik. if i'm still admin somewhere i forgot i'll delete it but stop behaving like this is some kind of shady things. You are being pathetic. Once again. You guys should learn to attack somebody's point, not personally. You are just kids playing with adult's tools.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> While mrl risks deletion by whoever claims the haveno.network domain due to your irresponsible handling of the homeserver and admin accounts

i'm really done for today. You guys are draining jeez

you are saying complete nonsense

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> >says the guy who only came here to stir bullshit

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> who's attacking you personally? Are you retarded?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> why ARE YOU STILL FEEDING THE SEALION

i handed over years ago and everything went 100% smooth as long as i had control over it. The rest i don't know and i don't care .Stop making things up

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Stop talking with him

ah you guys are just time waster

i got stuff to do, see you soon

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And sir, i dont have a dildo.

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Don't delete your twitter :)

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> i thought he was a seal

imagine if all you people would spend all this time contributing to monero in some ways instead of bullshitting on this chat 24/7. Maybe something would get done

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> HOLD

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> dont answer

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Pausing

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Nice weather today

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> what are we thinking about the price?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i have very little trust in the other cryptos holding up, which will sadly drag xmr down with them

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i think bitcoin can easily halve and eth goes down to 1300-1400

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> looks like we are only dropping with half the speed of the others though, at least our dollar valuation feels like it always drops twice as much as the BTC valuation

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i think we can easily go back down to 150€ but then again, 200 had decent support that held up pretty well recently

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> we can probably reclaim it soon enough

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> does not have to be. We just have to deliver now and show unity while all the other communities start to tear each other apart

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> see so much drama on ct these days because the prices go down and the cracks appear

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> to be honest, i barely noticed the last bearmarket

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> monero went below 100€ for a day or two and then came back up

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> meanwhile everything else was apparently blood-red

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i bought too little at 130 :(

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i always thought "nah that is too high, ill buy at 120"

sorry to come back, but i just noticed that monerobull just banned me for 1 year on /r/monero on reddit

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Rip

i let people decide if this is censorship or actually stopping a troll

<c​t:xmr.mx> CT = Coin Telegraph?

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> crypto twitter

<c​t:xmr.mx> Ah okey

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I did 7 months. See you in 1yr i guess

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> reddit is dead anyway, my account was shadowbanned months ago and heard nothing back on appeal. just shut down r/monero tbqh

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> that is the place to check the pulse of the community for better or worse

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> tob banned, lots of people banned, it's an issue

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Make a monero.town account:)

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> No "censorship" there

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Maybe he can join monero.town 😂

not even ashamed of censoring people :)

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> reddit auto-bans all the tor accounts

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> I'm talking about bans from reddit, personally

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> I wasn't using tor but yeah I had heard that explanation for tob

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> pretty awful

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> yeah, there are often people who ask to have their post approved but when you go on their profile it says the account is suspended

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> its both for VPN and tor users

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> I think I got flagged for posting in r/monerosupport too much

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> Well I do use a VPN, as do a huge number of people, block VPN users kinda crazy

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> I think I got flagged for posting in r/monerosupport too much and talking about things like tor and i2p

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> Well I do use a VPN, as do a huge number of people, block VPN users kinda crazy

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> My acct is perm banned on reddit too 🤷‍♂️ rip

i was banned only on the monero subreddit, in case it's not clear.

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> Yeah I just saw you were banned in literally every channel too, I thought it was just this one

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> jesus christ

things are bad man

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Blasphemy

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Was banhammer, imo should reverse the other rooms

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Should direct the beef to monero-beef

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i remember when ofrn was banished to the IRC realm for months

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> tHiNgS aRE BaD MaN >> same guy made sure revuo was cancelled and even recently tried to cancel revuo

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> >cry bully

lol we are still pretending monerostalin is not simply trying to silence me after he banned me from everywhere he possibly could with pathetic excuses?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I dont like or fk w rotten, bitch ass, but i'm not a malicious dumbass to go against revuo

you even ended up banning me on reddit man. You cannot control yourself :P

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> yeah rotten is only nice in person

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Rotten probably should have been banned a few times for being str8 up *phobic, racist, sexist, against short or fat people etc

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> But revuo has done no harm

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Erc LITERALLY made @monero cancel revuo for years BECAUSE DIEGO CREATED IT AND ROTTEN RAN IT

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Love or hate diego, he did more for community in 2-3 years than erc has done in his entire life

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Yawn and stretch.

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> I like diego but how did Erc "made" them do anything other than by like, having an opinion

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> morning

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> im still baffled how lyza can gloss over the sgp cancel attempt

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> The needs ping me and I answer.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> that was seriously fucked up

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> to defend it is simply crazy

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Nerds*

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> could have left it at needs :P

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> my position is simply that we can get along, not that Erc is always correct or whatever you think

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> I just think the barrier to removing people from this space should be higher, at least as it pertains to all the other channels

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> he essentially called SGP an antisemite for, checks notes, not banning someone fast enough

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Who runs @monero now? Who knows. But hack then, erc ranted about how @monero wasnt supposed to tweet revuo

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> and not on some pseudonym account, nah, he did @real-name

(never called sgp an antisemite)

monerobull post somewhere a proof of another of your lies please

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> we saw your tweet mate

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> sea lion goes auw auw

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> I saw it literally today and you're reaally reaching in how you describe it

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And the @monero gods folded and stopped tweeting revuo

my tweet criticized sgp for the way he moderated the situation. The rest you are fabricating as usual

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Erc would threaten as though we'd lose him as a contributor if we supported rottens newslettet

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> somebody said an opinion and another persona cted on that opinion, oh gods no

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Plowsof moderated the (((comment)))

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Sgp reversed the decision after appeal

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> the barrier is very high, but he still managed to jump over it. The problem is bad faith accusations of what ever kind.

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> people can draw their own lines. that's not a threat, that's a boundary

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Numerous ppl were muted and banned that day

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> By sgp, scott, and plowsof

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Now erc is mad that revuo gets funding

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> y'all are just describing political disagreements

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> no. Its not about politics never was

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> you really wanna argue any of this deserves a ban from say, monero-dev??

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> shit ban him from github too why not

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Ban rottenwheel for hating short fat people, I wanted to go for McDonalds and now I feel too guilty

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And look, he left because of it. Rip.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Hes not a dev, what purpose does he serve in dev aside from attacking them?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Not saying it deserves a ban from dev. I said all other rooms should be unbanned

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> has he attacked people in the dev channel or otehrwise used it inappropriately?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> HE BANNED ME AND ROTTEN FROM GITHUB

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Should we ban him from GH? No, but should he be banning people from GH for contributing?? no

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Dudes a clown

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And a hypocrite. Accuses us of things HE is guilty of

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> I hear ya. I'm not trying to support everything he's ever said or done, you know.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I remember my first beef with this guy. We had a hijacked link on website for the offline generator

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> i brought it up in -site and erc claimed itbwas a non-issue, because the phishing site linked to mymonero

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> So i worked with plowsof to remove the link and got a pr ready

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> I'm not arguing to give him access to the site or anything but the chat rooms, besides, seems like we're on the same page on that (:

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Plowsof consulted with erc, and erc decided to do it himself, so plowsof and i backed off and never pushed our pr

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Erc's drops, and includes a hugendiff compared to the original file

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> he check diffs locally, and its enough to warrant a proper review.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 1. He removed mooo's donation addr

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 2. He credited himself twice

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 3. Large diff on a crypto page

try harder to picture me as a malicious guy man :) all my work is public, you can distort reality only so much

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> He refused to upload diffs, and for ~6 months the pr went unmerged. Plowsof pushed our original pr (no diffs, original page) and erc threw a fit. Luigi told erc to add the diffs, erc oblidged (and banned me from github)

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Dudes a fuckin retard

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Because he wanted to be a baby and not upload the diffs when asked by hinto, plowsof and myself, we left a phishing link on site for 6 months

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> I don't think that's helpful

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Does it look like i care

aaha being called fucking retard on the community channels. It adds to the many other unmoderated insults toward me... but i'm banned :)

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> unfortunately, it does not

> we left a phishing link on site for 6 months

this is complete bullshit in case somebody wanders

i never once uploaded anything malicious

so yeah, try harder man

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Fortunately*

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Its being soft that leads to allowing phishing links to exist on site and avoid a proper review of the changes

actually why don't you post this malicious link i uploaded? everything is on github no?

come on show you are not just somebody who lies with every breath he takes

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> he claims luigi is bad guy, but he's just butthurt that luigi chose not to coddle him numerous times

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> YOU didnt upload a malicious link. I never said you did.

hey man, stop with the new bullshit. prove that one first. Come on

prove anything you are saying or just prove the entire room, if there was any need, that you are a pahetic lier

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I said you claimed the link wasnt a priority to remove, becauae it linked to mymonero

could you link to this discussion?

you say a lot of things. Come on do it for once only

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> I think y'all both should step back for a bit

agree. Why am i even trying.

they are clearly being malicious and it's disgusting they are freely allowed to do it, all with side of insults.

<p​reland:monero.social> I would like evidence of *something*, *anything* at this point tbh. ErC’s history is so convoluted at this point that there isn’t a point in saying things about ErC without evidence

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And as the site maintainer, the bad link stayed up for (iirc) over 1yr, while you knew about it and refused to upload diffs on your pr, leading to your pr not getting approved

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> and i think you should stfu. Were all entitled to our opinions, amirite?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Erc, yes, i can link to the discussion.

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> I mean no, as mod you actually really shouldn't be saying stuff like this, ever

p​reland, yeah. I would like that all these stories they have beeing sahing about me for years are for once shown to the people.

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> positions of authority carry different expectations of behavior

<p​reland:monero.social> Agreed. I am of the opinion that I won’t believe this stuff until I can see real evidence of the points. You are positing that what you are saying is *factual*, right?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I'm not a mod

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I'm dude who was banned for 7 months for fighting w mods

<p​reland:monero.social> Speaking of mods, it appears that one is now lurking (hi bull)

<m​onerobull:monero.social> concern trolling btw

preland, yeah that's the only good approach. let's see the proofs of their claims then we see

<m​onerobull:monero.social> this isnt some corporation

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Yes, 100% factual

<m​onerobull:monero.social> we arent paid

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> sorry u right I got my peeps mixed up for a sec 👍️

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> no, you're the one that comment was directed at brother

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Plowsof can vouch, hinto can vouch, luigi can vouch, and there are logs to prove it all

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> irrelevant

<m​onerobull:monero.social> "oh no, who will think of the children, the volunteer mods arent professional enough"

here are so many proofs, but he doesn't post any. Max a screenshot of me saying something he doesn't like :)

<p​reland:monero.social> I’m glad to hear it. Since you probably pinged some of those people, maybe they can corroborate and provide additional evidence.

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> Th point is that by being in a positon of power in the community, you represent the community and your bheavior in particular reflects on the rest of us, because it speaks to the type of people we allow to lead

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> why didnt you step up and mod if youve been around for so long and care so much about erc getting banned?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Rules for thee, i see

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> nobody asked me to and I don't seek out power, you want me to help mod? I will

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Erc abused his powers

<p​reland:monero.social> What was it that got erc banned? I’d be shocked/confused if lying was the violation

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> we answered that like ten times today

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> libera.monerologs.net/monero-community/20250228#c502830 this and a poll of 7 people (of which 5 voted to ban)

yeah man, 5 people outh of 3000 voted for me to be banned, so monerostalin decided he liked that and i needed to be banned from everywhere, included reddit

<m​onerobull:monero.social> for context: user erc was previously complaining about the community being too lenient with allowing trolls to run wild

<p​reland:monero.social> Ok

<m​onerobull:monero.social> also, too lenient with ban evasion

<m​onerobull:monero.social> basically, he was an abusive mod, got shunned by the community 2 years ago and is now back (after fudding monero the entire time and working for firo) to, idk what

<m​onerobull:monero.social> he came here and has been arguing with people for hours

<m​onerobull:monero.social> i really dont know why he is here

the logs above is me arguing with people. Note who is the first who insults

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> erc if the ban is undone can we all shut the fuck up and coexist peacefully and let old shit lie?

<m​onerobull:monero.social> note that this was after you've been arguing with people for an entire day a week before that

<m​onerobull:monero.social> erc is not here to coexist

<m​onerobull:monero.social> that much is clear

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> shhh, I'm asking you the same question

i wanted to contribute by writing rticles monerobull and you are trying to block me from doing this by de-platforming everywhere you have power. Plain and simple

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> that's not how we do things here in monero-community

<m​onerobull:monero.social> he wasnt even participating in the community and still shitting on monero projects on twitter for the last 2 years

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> please enlighten me, are you saying what monerobull is doing is how we handle things here?

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> can if so you really may as well go ahead and ban me too

<m​onerobull:monero.social> erc ive invited you to post on monero.town :D

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I was joking. Sorry it just added to the noise. I should have kept my mouth shut. :)

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> matrix.to/#/!pBnQQFvuFhLffbKZpY:hav…social&via=matrix.org&via=kernal.eu

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> [@preland:monero.social](https://matrix.to/#/@preland:monero.social) here is the comment where he says the phishing link isnt a priority

you mocking me after censoring me doesn't make you look good

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> matrix.to/#/!pBnQQFvuFhLffbKZpY:hav…social&via=matrix.org&via=kernal.eu

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> where i put forward a plan and discuss that ive started the work

<p​reland:monero.social> Erc can you provide any additional context for that link?

i don't see his screenshots on matrix

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> matrix.to/#/!pBnQQFvuFhLffbKZpY:hav…social&via=matrix.org&via=kernal.eu

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> where erc decides to push his own pr

<p​reland:monero.social> “anyone is free to already pr the removal of the old references if deemed urgent. Since this is something that needs to be stable and changed as little as possible, better do it once but do it right”

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> matrix.to/#/!pBnQQFvuFhLffbKZpY:hav…social&via=matrix.org&via=kernal.eu

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> where i express issue with lack of diff

<p​reland:monero.social> “anyone is free to already pr the removal of the old references if deemed urgent. Since this is something that needs to be stable and changed as little as possible, better do it once but do it right”

<p​reland:monero.social> Dangit miscopied

why screenshots and not link to the discussions directly?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> im not mocking anyone

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> (feb 2023)

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> feel free to make a monero.town account

yeah i definitely trust registering on a platform you own after today's censorship spree

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> the entire reason that site exists is to be a backup if reddit starts to censor monero

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> "censorship spree" lmao

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Again

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> matrix.to/#/!pBnQQFvuFhLffbKZpY:hav…social&via=matrix.org&via=kernal.eu

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> dont worry, lemmy has a public mod log

you are the backup in case of censorship. I feel safe already

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> at least i did something actionable for monero in the past 2 years

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> "Anyway. Feel free to spend your time as you prefer. Still a minimal of courtesy was expected at least from plowsof. Not cool."

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> erc mad that plowsof opened pr with diffs

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> matrix.to/#/!pBnQQFvuFhLffbKZpY:hav…social&via=matrix.org&via=kernal.eu

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> more

i keep not being able to see anything of what he is posting or even what the claims are

anyway, my work is very public, as i already said. So all these prs and commits can be linked to.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> matrix.to/#/!pBnQQFvuFhLffbKZpY:hav…social&via=matrix.org&via=kernal.eu

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> he had monero-site on haveno.network

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Open link in a matrix acct that isnt banned

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> "Anyway its a mess and i would think it obvious to give ops to xmrscott so it can be not-a-mess"

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> once upon a time, i didnt think xmrscptt was a worthless little shit

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> "I think erc wakes in a few hours.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> It was under haveno.network. homeserver was gone - yet theres still an admin on haveno.network. if that acct doesnt work, it shouldnt be there "

can you put up a coherent phrase of what your accusation is?

one is fine, but let it be clear so i can answer

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> I'm a little confused by ofrnxmr rn just cause he said he agrees you should be unbanned in other channels but he keep ranting about you

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> He claimed i was lying.

he hates me big time, he cannot help himself :)

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And told me to post a link with proof, so i did

ah that's the proof

right, so, again. You posted a lot of links i told you i cannot see with uncoherent phrases under. I ask you once again, make a coherent accusation if you want me to answer

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I don't hate erc. How can i hate something that i don't care about, at all? Weirdo

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> I hear you I feel like it's just, Idk, bad judgment, stubborness, at worst? I think erc was just heated and thought you were saying he put up a phishing link

<m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> it's not like, crazy that bro is feeling defensive rn

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I'm not proving proof for you, erc - i dont care what you want to believe or remember. Preland wanted sauce, so u sent preland the sauce

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Providing*, so i* sent preland

i have no idea still :) but yeah hard to not be defensive when you are constantly attacked as soon as you say a word

ah so you chose a way of showing your "proofs" that doesn't allow me to answer in any way. You must have taken democracy lessons from the other guy

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> He was feeling defensive back then too, while he removed mooo's donation address and added his own credits

ah that's just purposely misleading

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> no, your "no diffs" pr was purposely misleading

i removed moo's address because i thought it made sense since it wasn't a personal tool but on monero's website, i was happy to reverted when people disagreed

seeing malice in that it's jsut stupid. I din't have anything to gain

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> "2 reviewers requested diffs, ofrn and hinto. I dont know hinto and i dont like ofrn, so i'm not posting them. + it adds a lot of weight to the github repo!" Luigo "post the diffs" erc "yes baws"

by that time, i ad already worked on monero for many many years both paid and as volunteer. You cannot know because you weren't around

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> "i didnt have anything to gain, j just added my credits because i'm a nice guy"

yes, that was bad judgement and i acted defensive because of, again, your constant harassment. I didn't think providing an extra commit with the diff was woth it, i asked luigi if he preferred it or not. He said yes, so i added it

the rest is drama you are making uo

i made hundreds of prs in monero, in some everything went fine in other there were disagreement

it's normal stuff

you are just trying to picture me as the devil for something at at most can be seen as bad judgement

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> web.getmonero.org/generator

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Didnt revert a damn thing

i'm happy to see it up since i worked a lot on it. Your point being?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> mooos donation addr still replaced by erc's credit

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> My point is that you claim that workgroups are bad, but you, as maintainer, had this stalled for months because you refused to listen to reviewers

what are you talking about? The pr was merged after i was gone, if you wanted to add the address just add it. What do you want from me?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> i dont want anything from you

that is absolutely not true. The pr was waiting for reviewers

and only that

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I had to buy a residential proxy for this sole purpose

i pinged several times asking core to merge it and people to review it

ypou are lieing by saying that the address was the reason of the delay

it's a pure 100% lie

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The address was one of the reasons i requested diffs, 100%

who cares about you man. I had been contributing to monero for years up to that moment, my honesty was never in discussion and you can ask anyone who worked with me that

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Even Luigi commented that we should ask mooo (i dont think mooo ever commented)

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 3 yrs

you are still deflecting, because, again, i had already left at the time and the pr was merged after. If you wanted to add it i was already not around, so claiming i had something to do with it is just nonsense

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I never claimed it was malicious. Stupid, sure, malicious? 🤷‍♂️

aaah waste of time

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Yeah, the pr was merged after you left, because you took 6 months off work 🤡

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> BAN

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> YOU CANT SAY LUIGI

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> After you left, you were replaced by people who you couldnt work with

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ITS POTENTIALLY VIOLENT

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> REDDIT SAID SO

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Say "Green mario" instead

yeah and we see the result. Translations are dead, the workgroup is dead and no meaningful commit has been pushed on getmonero since years. Without counting not even a single block to warn people about the attacks. You are doing great guys. keep it up

*blog post

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> TRANSLATIONS WERE DEAD ON YOUR WATCH

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> inb4 lie or someone else fault

that's stupidly false

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> +100

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> So translations were alive when you left???

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> plowsof killed weblate?? Lmao

and you weren't even around when i worked on the workgroup. You maybe saw he end when i was just helping out as volunteer

yeah translations were very much alive. Don't know why weblate is down, but i guess no manpower to maintain it

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> translation ccs were killed on your watch, weblate went down on your watch

you are out of your mind man

ah the ccs?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Volunteer? Lol!

weblate was very much up and not allowing paid contributors for translations was agreed with core. Actually twice, once when i was leading the workgroup and one after when i was just around :P

<m​onerobull:monero.social> Did anything you touched work out? Translations fell apart, haveno UI, for, etc

<m​onerobull:monero.social> Did anything you touched work out? Translations fell apart, haveno UI, firo, etc

man, if you want to attack me, i don't think attacking my contributions to monero is the way to go.

<m​onerobull:monero.social> Nah I'm just genuinely curious

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> rottenwheel wake up please

<m​onerobull:monero.social> Bcs my contributions usually work out but it looks like all of yours have a tendency to die

yeah try harder man. You are still living off my contributions ;)

<m​onerobull:monero.social> Not to mention how many contributors you are negatively effecting whenever you try to cancel someone

but yeah, it does happen that when somebody takes care of 1000 things, when he leaves those things die

you talking about cancelling is lovely

<m​onerobull:monero.social> But then you can't claim those as am achievement

<m​onerobull:monero.social> Should have set them up to survive

<m​onerobull:monero.social> Yeah yeah Erc, project some more

<m​onerobull:monero.social> I don't have tweets calling for others to be removed from anywhere

they were. imagine how badly you screwed up. There are literally scripts on how to keep weblate going, and it's still down.

i commented everything i did and the website is still dead

<m​onerobull:monero.social> Did you arrange a replacement? Because if you havent, of course the systems will die

<m​onerobull:monero.social> You think I'd let monero.town just die because I left the community for whatever reason?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Tbc, the issue with the weblate as of now is that it was shutdown during a too long period of time and therefore requires several major database migrations

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> migrations that have been deprecated in latest versions

you seem to be misunderstanding how monero workgroups work. If people don't pick things up, they died. I followed coordinator for translations for free for a long time to avoid the group to die, but it's a thankless job and people leave at one point

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> erc is right, we need some rainbow gamer badge saying "TRANSLATOR" to thx them for their job

the site redesign / workgroup have has proposed trimming down (or modifying) a lot of the content. fixing the translation issues ~ translating current content is not deemed a valid use of time

<m​onerobull:monero.social> >Thankless job

<m​onerobull:monero.social> Sounds familiar

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> lol

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> plowsof, I want the redesign workgroup to restart so bad

<m​onerobull:monero.social> Admittedly, I get comparatively lots of praise thanks to synthbirb

<m​onerobull:monero.social> Thanks snybrd

i'm saying only this and then i leave because i'm exausted, but needed to be done. the redesign of the website is a bad idea, especiallhy when there is lack of contributors. Making something new when the old one is well known by multiple people that are still around will come back biting you in the ass

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> i don't understand your sentence but yw dankenbull

that's my suggestion, but you do you.

im not going to disagree that a redesign is going to make contirbutors appear that review pull requests

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> \> lack of contributors

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Tell me you don't know anything about the redesign without telling me you don't know anything about the redesign

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> there are at least 4 devs willing to commit to the work

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> for free

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> more willing to review/feedback

<a​remor:matrix.org> It ever unban them?

i'm saying that in my experience it's better to keep something already built when you are already struggling to maintain what you already have. Especially because there are a lot of translations already done, and i don't know how many new you'll get. That's just my opinion, feel free to start the usual insults and accusations while i'm away

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Thanks for your opinion

when the contributors appear and every site pull request has 4 reviewers getting things pushed along i will be happy

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> no one want to review Jekyll sir

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The current website is a load of trash english translated poorly, and fragmented spaghetti

until then, i shall continue modifying general fund addresses and QR's in peace , thank you

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Thanks mbll

4 reviewers on the translation +70k line PR

doesnt matter what back end the sites written in lol

<a​remor:matrix.org> Never heard of this bs before

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> It's kinda niche but also not that niche

Its an incel thing

if you dont know what it is, congrats. You probably have a life

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> thats my impression too. In my country we're sensible to antisemitism and I've never been told about this

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> but it's apparently something that has been up for at least decades so yeah, niche but not that niche

I didnt know abt it til lebanon got banned for being antisemetic

After asking all of my irl people, none of them have ever heard of such a thing

Probably think i spend too much time in moms basement now

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> nothing wrong in staying in moms basement

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> especially if she cook hot cookies

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> No cookies unless i cut the grass, ugh

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> thats the least, your mom isn't eternal, take care of her

<a​remor:matrix.org> Trump tactics. Lie lie lie lie until people believe it. Annoying af

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> All I can say is that he will not divide us.

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> lets listen to some music together to lighten the mood

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> youtube.com/watch?v=2uRLJZxINAQ

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> what happened to the monero music channel btw

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> there was a monero music channel ?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> TIL

<a​remor:matrix.org> I saw the harassment last week. It was warranted.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Probably not even him

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I confirm

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> full disclosure: I'm ErC

<3​21bob321:monero.social> It was on a diff homeserver

<a​remor:matrix.org> Naw, no one else capable of being as much of a victim as the real Erc

<a​remor:matrix.org> Came back 3 times in different hosts, all speaking like ErC

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> UrC

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> ..-20

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> he will not divide us

<y​atta:private.coffee> If inv only, Imma need someone to be a buddy