<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> plowsof: The next meeting is july 10th?

15th March monero-project/meta #1169

are we adding cuprate grinding your gears to the agenda still sir?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I think the room topic bugged

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> how?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> It used to say "check meta for schedule"

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Now it says july 10

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> true

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> mhm, the only solution is to take over USA and use all the resource of the FBI to locate monero.social instance. Once we locate it we will use an army of expert to repair the database

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Our therapist says its ok to talk to ourself when lonely

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> im never alone

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> me too

<3​21bob321:monero.social> We never stand alone

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> yep

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> plowsof:

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> can you add the CCS Ownership loophole to the agenda?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> As in who owns CCS ?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> That's core

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> im just going to talk about another clause to the CCS rules

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> Requesters must clarify the ownership/stockholders of the project for which they are asking for funds

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> thx plowsof

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> i and ofrnxmr own the CCS

<b​oog900:monero.social> I was paid to provide code, if I was paid to be the sole maintainer you would have a point.

<l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> plowsof: is there interest in an animated educational video about carrot?

<b​oog900:monero.social> the code exists not matter whose name is on the org

<b​oog900:monero.social> the code exists no matter whose name is on the org

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> long live CCS FOSS license rule

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> x3nu i mean _i_ thought there would be, i suggested one but this team didnt get much (if any) positive feedback repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/506

<b​oog900:monero.social> he is just mad he is (very rightly) banned from #cuprate:monero.social.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Commie /s

<l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> well i think having an educational video about the hardfork is 100% needed as it is a very big update

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Explain this loophole

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> i agree

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> " - ownership loophole" is a pretty garbage water excuse for an agenda item

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I saw the carrot animated video proposal but didn't updooted it because I was lazy, kinda regret now that it has been closed

<b​oog900:monero.social> Synbhebird (Crodyceps infected 🍄☣️): owns my CCSes as an owner of the Cuprate org, obviously ofrnxmr.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> i thought i co-owned them?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> rectification: I own boog900

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I am both owner and co-owner

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Cuprate isnt a monero-project project. You can cry harder about whatever they choose to do, or fork the project

<b​oog900:monero.social> but then how is he going to force us to not add a CoC and unban him?!?

<l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> well the guy who proposed it wasn't that good lol

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> We paid you too work on a project

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> we did trust you to get your money and do your job as a dev, simple as that

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> but what if lets say, cuprate has 10 other unknown owners and their interests are in conflict with the one community had in mind when donated to you?

<b​oog900:monero.social> fork it my guy.

<b​oog900:monero.social> the code it did will still be there

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Or gal

<b​oog900:monero.social> the code I did will still be there

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Or somewhere inbetween. we dont assume genders here

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> i only see humans

<b​oog900:monero.social> blessed_mind: is very anti LGBTQ++++

<b​oog900:monero.social> very anti a lot of things tbf

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> stop spamming ffs guys

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> so that means he's a furry?

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> are there any point in discussing this right now?

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> or we should wait for Community meeting?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 🐈️

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> What for? Its not a community issue

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> its a "you" problem bro

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Deal w it

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> ofrnxmr:

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> all im saying is, if you are asking for a CCS, own the project, or clarify the ownership of the project from the start

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> i dont get your opposition the this

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Your meeting is right now. Wassup

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> lmao

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> thats why im saying

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> lets vote on that

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Up to there there has been no violation from Cuprate to your proposed rule. Try harder

go to bed.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> No. You dont have to own a project to be funded to work on one

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Example: none of the monerod devs own monero

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> did i say cuprate?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ^

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> yes

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> im saying we need to to add a rule

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> why add a rule for a non-existent issue ?

hey blessed, make me a sandwich.

I'm hungry.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> dukenukem can i do it for you?

no, you need to go to bed. it's past your time.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> alr alr

meooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> puuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> What rule?

<l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> oh god not this guy

callate puto baboso.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> x3nu: ssssshhhhhhhhh stop spoilin the movie

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> thats a separate topic

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> so,

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> there are two topics:

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> 1-Adding a rule for Clarification of the ownership of the projects

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> 2-Cuprate's situation

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> they are separate

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> i will inv tux, doug, mavric, alice and other active members on the X on the meeting day

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> the ownership of cuprate is RTFL

<l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> oye

lol

<l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> señor rueda

<l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> come mierda

que quieres joto.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Who the fuck is alice

no u.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> an alt he created 3 days ago

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> XmrBazaar

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I'll invite Jeff, Steve and Sally

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> please do

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> AilliA ?? Lol

I'll invite ur mum.

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> yes, mb

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Since when is her name alice?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Bro called her alive

lordx3nu sounds good to me

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> keep it respetful

<b​oog900:monero.social> lol

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> plowsof:

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> so we have this on agenda?

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> plowsof:

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> so do we have this on agenda?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Im going to invite powsolf, buger650, hanto, and zenu

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> No

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Stop wasting out time

<b​oog900:monero.social> no mum jokes, that is crossing a line!

how about you post a comment in the issue on github instead of getting the attention your attention whore ass is seeking in here, huh_

?

boog900 no u!

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Go learn how foss works. If you want to contribute, open a pr

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> ofrnxmr @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Since when did you become so retarded bro?

who the fuck is Clarck Amberson?

how many kewbits are we talking to right now?

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> This synthetic fuker tried to ban me for defending you to get you unbanned when you were not here

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> At least 10yrs ago

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> bruh

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I don't even remember you

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> He called basicawap scam

Purrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Bro i remember, but i dont hold grudges

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> interesting

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> And you a con artist

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Ppl accused py of being me

I'm actually tacotime.

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> at the very least, Dont suck his balls

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> OOOOoooooooooooooh

<l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> lol

What is wrong with sucking a guy's balls?

<l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> >tacotime

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Haha

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I dont suck nobodies balls

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> yeah that was some time ago thx for the refresh ofrnxmr

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Yes, they said ik your alt

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Yes, they said im your alt

<l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> oye rueda, eres ilegal?

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Stop the trolling and let them vote on the meeting day

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Btw love you xeno

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Great videos

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> This is abt blessed trying to turn community meeting into a ban appear about being anti lbgtq in a non-monero-project room

<l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> thanks!

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Didnt know you were active here

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Appeal*

lordx3nu no puto.

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> i dont want to ban anyone

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> x3nu: elected most loved member in 2025

I'll ban ur mum.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> you are in competition with SNeedlewoods

syntheticbird fake news.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Community meetings arent about what goes on in internally with other projects

<l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> hehe i'm an influencer now

syntheticbird fake news.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> You are banned*. Didnt say you wanted to ban anyone

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> dukenukem probably im playing pokemon STOP HARASSING ME

lol

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> the only troll is blessed

syntheticbird y r u like dis bb?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> dukenukem idk bb you make me laugh

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Fuck him, but suddenly got flashbacks

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> This was exactly me trying to unban you

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> 10 people are spamming and attacking and making fun of me

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Let the guy talk, we vote, if it passes then thats what the community wants, if not then by by

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Why humiliate the community members?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ok no sry i can't

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I'm being very serious that blessed clearly doesnt understand how a foss license works, or controls that community has over a ccs

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> the bb was cringe im sry

you homosexual.

<l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> when is the vote?

right now.

<l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> what is my competition

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> _its not a community problem_

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> 10 seconds ago with all my mates in my room

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> we were approximetaly 380

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Its blessed problem with cuprate. Cuprate _devs_ have ccs's. Cuprate itself does not

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Cuprate is not under monero-project banner, ans is not subject to monero-project standards

syntheticbird what's the unbiased, unfiltered version of whatever is going on?

is blessed qtip?

<b​oog900:monero.social> blessed saw a CoC getting added to cuprate and then exploded in #cuprate:monero.social

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> dukenukem ofrnxmr is right. blessed_mind came to discuss CoC and he was trolling, got banned and now is seething about. wanna use le ownership with CCS argument to try to appeal

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> blessed_mind if the same people here attend the meeting they will likely have the same questions. for cuprate situation, boog900 clarified the ownership of cuprate org, would you like them (or other cuprate contributors to state this in their ccs?) - what seems to be missing is where is the problem - or when/where can this cause a problem? so cuprate is "owned" by someone who has <clipped message>

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> proposed a code of conduct which you are against. There will never be a monero-project owner funded by the CCS.. the closest thing to that would be the core team who are voluntary

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The vote about project ownership is alsp nonsense. Every ccs dev project must be permissively licensed

ah... the CoC thing...

<b​oog900:monero.social> he had to stop the wokies

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Cuprate CoC isnt a license. If you dont like it, fork cuprate and remove it

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> you are taling about the second issue

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> im talking about the first one

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> btw

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> if community decides to officially replace the monerod with cuprate

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> are we going to give it to the trusted maintainers such as current monerod maintainers or synthetic will stay in full power until the very end?

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Ofrnxmr, me and majority are against the wokies taking the mod roles though

<b​oog900:monero.social> so am I go read his arguments.

Alex Jones needs to take a couple xanny bars it'd seem...

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Maybe shut up before saying shit

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> there will always be a monerod and cuprate - multiple implementations are better for the network - i doubt monerod will cease to exist

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> \> \* disagree \*

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> \> "shit"

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> if its going to be one of the official clinets endorsed by the core

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> shouldn't we let the core stay at the top, not some random dev? (he can get the money and develop though)

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> if is false. thx you goodbye

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> You are scared ro through anything now huh?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> if community (monero-project) decides to adopt cuprate, and doesnt like synthetic bird in control.. yknow what happens right?? We fork it!

pretty much

CoCs are ghey, though.

or fork the comms channel

Very, while at it.

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> thats literally what im saying

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> who is "we" that is going to decide on forking it or not?

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> does community has any say in this?

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> thats the whole proposed agenda

<l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> can we call the fork xenubucks

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> bait harder

wtf are all these plebs replying to?

we is we. it always has been

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Cuprated proposed CoC is the ruby CoC. Very basic and reasonable

no quotes get bridged, rookies.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> bro is transforming a button on github in a "community agenda"

anyone is welcome in #monero-dev and can contribute

I am the Monero Community.

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> matrix reply / quotes not making it to irc

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Yes, anybody can fork it at any time.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> yeah sry irc

Mmmmeeeeeeooooooooowwwwwww.

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Y

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Failed last time trying to introduce that cursed coc

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Thankfully ofrnxmr fked you before hijacking the project

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Now trying a different approach huh

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> I did see you even tried to get simplex on that woke fuckhole bluesky but got rejected

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> dukenukem im not gonna purrrr endlessly

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> You are a cancer to this community

Can we all disperse and keep fucking ourselves or we need to waste more time on this?

syntheticbird Idgaf bitch.

Mmmmeeeeeeooooooooowwwwwww.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> TIL the last part?

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> which one is going to be the official one?

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Dont dodge it little tranny

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> lie harder py_verse

bruh, cuprate isn't even launched yet and you are already assuming it's competing with monerod.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> one can dream I was trans

get some xanax bars and go take some fresh air.

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Or when you were fighting how trannys were good for projects but firefox drama happened

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> You are a psyop

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> multiple implementations of monerod does not mean all nodes will be cuprated

ur mum is a psyop.

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Pushing that woke agenda on monero

syntheticbird are you woke?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> LMAO

official one == the one devs decide to publish

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> you have invented 4 things but ok

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> "Which one is the official one, which one will be endorsed by the core"?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> dukenukem I'm not asleep

syntheticbird -__-"

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> github.com/monero-project/monero is the reference implementation (node/wallet)

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> the one that we pay the devs to push

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> and we the community

"we" bruv must've sent 0.00001 XMR once to a CCS.

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> are going to select one or two to focus our time and money

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> # our

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> lmao

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> more than 300 till now

you keep counting the chicken before they are even born.

"focus money on" that's what the weekly meeting here is for

are you ghey?

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> how much you donated to the project?

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> muted troll

"will encorsed by the core" -- the one that they choose to endorse

oh no!!!

what am I gonna do naooo!

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> you cant mute m-relay..

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Cant mute a single user on m-relay.. Thats a bridge

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> yep, sadly

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> its the thought that counts, but yeah

<b​oog900:monero.social> damn what about free speech!!

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Where is mod?

lol

<b​oog900:monero.social> or are you a wokie too?

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> personal mute?

I am the moderator.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Plowsof is mod

<b​oog900:monero.social> sounds woke to me

Noooooo!!!!! woke woke woke, hey dick, stfu! Wow, you're rude. Muted, troll.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Chewbaucha

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> this channel is so fucked

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Stop the fucking spam

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Go to off topic

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Duken you son of a ...

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> blessed_mind is currently moderating this meeting

lmao.

Never a dull day in the honorable Monero community!

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Fking 15 yo bastard

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Fk off the keyboard and let them talk

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> This is the official channel

There are no "official channels", Mr. Clarck Dickerson.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> py_verse: mind lying harder again, it make me laugh

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Where are the mods?

I already told you I am the moderator.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Yeah, duke is pretty fkn annoying with the shitposting bullshit

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Thats what your mom said

no urs.

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Let me kiss your forehead

cum here bb.

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> are there any more questions for/from blessed_mind

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> Are you going to add it or not

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> lost the plot with these spams

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Your meeting is right now

the coordinator has spoken.

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Let plowsof answer

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I'd appreciate if the shitposting stopped, so we could have a real discussion with blessed about his issue

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> the meeting is right now.

the coordinator has spoken.

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Finally, ofrnxmr is going to take over the world part 4(ok i stop)

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> surprisingly i'll be for it.

"going to add it or not" -- sounds like a no to me dawgg

Does the coc allow furries because I spend most of my day with them

nioc: human or animal?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Blessed _best_ chance to be heard, is right now. Stage is all yours

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Two faced clown

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> You dont have any other choice, you have ccs on waiting lol

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> bait harder

dukenukem: humans are animals

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> i want to inv other people's as well, lets wait for the meeting

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> i said what i need to say, let people vote

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> oh btw py_verse feel free to shit on me outside of cuprate I won't ban you on #cuprate for it, unless you do it in #cuprate channel

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> I vote yes and ofrnxmr will also vote yes after i pay him enough

this is fucking bullshit. lol and monero.town is still running behind Cuckfare, I mean, Cloudfare. theregister.com/2025/03/04/cloudflare_blocking_niche_browsers

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Youll insta ban me im sure lol

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Thats what you are

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> A woke bastard

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Dougs opinion isnt needed, nor is tux'

they won't come

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And aillia has nothing to do with any of this

he can't be 1 of us if he doesn't know they dont attend ish

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> so my understanding is, cuprate dev work is ccs sponsored - the owners of cuprate are introducing a code of conduct (link?) - blessed_mind does not feel that the cuprate org owners should be allowed to do this without permission of monero-project core team . the CCS rules should require monero-core (or approved persons to have ownership over said ccs projects

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> so, community is also a group of selected people you like?

Doug is never here, even when it involves him

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Plowsof, CoC is rubys

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> ruby-lang.org/en/conduct

the fact he doesn't know that shows it's an outsider

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> plowsof: Cuprate/cuprate #390

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> It's a draft adapted from Ruby CoC

plowsof Cuprate/cuprate #390

some type of X only member

anyways, who's got the crack?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Its the active participants, not the "show up once every 4 years because called to defend spmeone" group

a social media community member

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> NorrinRadd, his opinions are too weak on an international network, he needs to take refuge with his echo chamber you gotta understand

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> the second part is correct

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> about the first part

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> no, cuprate and sytheticbird are free to do anything, its their project

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> i said, boog didnt mention sythetic is the owner of the project when he asked for funds in CCS (intentionally or not)

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> but if someday, core decides to officially endorse the cuprate, they should take over the ownership of the project

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> because we trust the core not the dev and Unelected troll

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> they are one of the most active people of the ecosystem

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> wait, wtf?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> No they arent.

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> ofrnxmr @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Am i part of that active group?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Youre here right now, arent ya?

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> so what is the criteria for this "Active Members badge"?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> chowbungaman tuxsudo AilliA

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Aillia is only one who will answer the ping

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> tag all of them for meeting, ill call the community on X for wider range

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> tag all of them for meeting, ill call the community on X for a wider range

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Tux doesnt even answer pings in Cake Wallet

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> This is why youre not going on the agenda

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> because they are active on x

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Meetings arent to be ddosed by random participants

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Tbh, matrix is shit

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> only the old active members np

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Only people who attend meetings regularly

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> for now, we have a few active core members, and 4-5 trolls spamming here

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Votes are always weighted

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> Why are you gatekeeping it?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Because midopoet hates gatekeepers

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> is someone like arcticmine also not an active member? or dough which doing interviews left and right for the community?

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> only people who play in your field?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> artic is active

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> who?

also doesn't know who are core member -- noted

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> The policy guy

outsider

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Something something politics around monero iirc

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> see? Py.verse knows his shit

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> ok so "if someday, core decides to officially endorse the cuprate, they should take over the ownership of the project because we trust the core not the dev and Unelected troll" (owners of cuprate org are listed on github page github.com/Cuprate , now i can think of _how_ core could one day officially endorse the cuprate - i highly doubt it would ever (or need to be) on mon<clipped message>

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> ero-project github repo , there would likely be an "Alternative node implementations" section @ getmonero.org/downloads

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Super active member

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> gate keeper

wow.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> irc don't see reply

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> would blessed_mind accept an "Alternative node implemention" section @ getmonero.org/downloads which displays "cuprated" and links to cuprate.org?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Blessed cant really articulate what they want you to do

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> Core is not going to switch to cuprate as their main focus even if its 1000 times better than monerod?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The ELI5 sounds (to me) like: idfk

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Core is 2.5 guys who dont give a fuck

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Wait, why are we sticking to monerod? If its good, lets switch, why waste money

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> yes thats not a problem

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Cuprate will come under moneor-project banned if _devs_ choose for it to

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> core*

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> this is core decision

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Just give it to salsta and toboht

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> As pkowsof said, alternative implementations are good

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> we would have to re-write cuprated into c++ because those devs need to pay rent still

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> circle of life

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Core doesnt give a fuxk at all, trust me

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> i trust you at about 69.43%

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> If we said "add cuprate to monero-project", theyd add it. They dont care

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> So we cant replace the main one

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Only add alternatives?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> there is no "main" impl

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> There is the c++ one and the rust (WIP) one.

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Unofficial official client

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Like how i2p has i2pd (c++) and i2p(java)

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> The one endorsed by ofrnxmr

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I use i2pd, which isnt the original

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Everyone uses that version

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> sgp just used i2p(java) and monero used to recommend i2p-zero(java)

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> We only recently replaces i2p-zero guides with i2pd

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Just = today

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> ofrnxmr, i dont get your point on adding a rule for CCS, you said its against the FOSS or something

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> can you explain that part

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> ^

the point is that there does not seem to be a need to add a new rule

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Sgp is a psyop though

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> We should do the opposite of anything that fed guy does

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Or do?

there is nothing to combat

they can run their community how they see fit

their agree was for code and the license applied to it. nothing else.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> There is a rule saying that all projects must be licensed under a permissive license, which means that none of the projects can be truly "owned" by anyone. They are all essentially free to take/fork

if monero wants to form a community around it, it will as soon as it wants to

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I'm not saying that we should follow what sgp did. I'm pointing out that there are multiple implementations of i2p. Even once-upon-a-time there was kovri - monero's very own fork

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> what if, in a situation that a dev requested a fund for his/her project which has 10 owners and because of conflict if interests, project gets abandoned half way through?

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> yes i can fork it myself, you can too

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> but when you pay someone, you expect them to shoulder the full responsibility to deliver the product right?

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> im not saying lets make it illegal, im saying, at the very least, tell us about the stakeholders

why?

who gives a shit

the agreement is for code and license. nothing else

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> bkessed - we dont typically fund team projects for that very reason

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> we

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Like soloptxmr

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> We are funding devs to do what they proposed in their ccs, nothing more

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> thats exactly what i said

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> just put that in the rule to avoid complications

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> I mean

<b​oog900:monero.social> what if a dev makes a proposal and they quit because of X should we ban all possible X.

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Didnt we fight with kewbit over this?

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> please try to remember that the past week~ has been talking to zcash or hearing about how monerobull is censoring erciccione, something to discuss is refreshing

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> i said typically, not that we absolutely wont

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Example: unstoppable wallet

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> We arent going to ask them to get their devs to open individual ccs'

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> "they quit" who? other stakeholders? or the dev?

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> give enough authority to synthetic is his gangs and they will do the same in this channel

<b​oog900:monero.social> the dev quit because of other maintainers in your example what if they quit because they have to deal with blessed_mind

<b​oog900:monero.social> should we ban blessed_mind ?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> No, we fought with kewbit over delivering ai slop while running around pretending to be the official haveno dev

"just put that in the rule to avoid complications" - put what?

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> devs must the community the assurance to handle any kind of situation until they finish their job

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> because thats how you ask for money

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> I mean, ownership problem

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> not how ccs works

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Now even boog is threatening us to shut up or he will quit

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Thats how bounties works

<b​oog900:monero.social> no, just an example

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Why we the community members dont have any control when we are the employers

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> take pills

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Since when did a contracti talk shit to their employer

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Same thing with moli happened, kewbit, now synthetic bird

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Nah. Kewbit is a total noob who doesnt understand open source. He broke licensing agreements because all he does is send prompts to ai and do marketing

"just put that in the rule to avoid complications" - no.

don't meet the milestone == dont get paid. easy.

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Yes

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> you aren't the community, you aren't the employer, you are just a hater behind a chair. touch grass

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> We have control in the proposal stage

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Dont meet the rules req

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Fuck off ez

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Example: i am PRO retroactive ccs or 1 milestone ccs

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> No we dont

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> This catfish slipped through that control net

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Okay, but put that damn rule to prevent the next ones

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Meaning, you dont get paid til you deliver

<b​oog900:monero.social> my point was we can't keep adding rules banning things that might make a person quit

jesus christ, what a tuesday night...

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> As i am, i did upvote your argument on that too

<b​oog900:monero.social> the list is literally infinite

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I DONT like ccs that dont finish the job, and have unrealistic milestones. The way ccs is designed has a lot of trust involved

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> You have to trust that a dev wont leave after 50% of the milestones

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> on a project like cuprate which is a long term project, its a logical step for us to take your insurance on things like this

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> lets be honest, you cant replace the original dev on a large project and fork it

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> you developed that code, you know the best, its possible but its hard

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> im sorry you dont like unrealistic milestones, i've just changed them to realistic ones, and added another realistic one and doubled the asking amount

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> so i often vote for milestones to be modified to actually deliver working products

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> That was so fking infuriating haha

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Cuprate is an example of a project born from nothing, that has delivered time and time again.

<b​oog900:monero.social> monerod did that many times

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> We have a lot of good projects abandoned because of the same reason, what a waste

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> #freeross

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> can you give us an example of that?

<b​oog900:monero.social> it was forked from a scam coin

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> 800 XMR and we make Ross evade from prison

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Milestone 1: Evasion

<b​oog900:monero.social> and then forked again

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> bro wrote his own bounty, raises 100xmr, failed, and tried to create a new ai slop bounty

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> monerod maintainers were the core devs, and replaced by trusted people of the community

<b​oog900:monero.social> and then people built major things into monerod ... and left

<b​oog900:monero.social> now others maintain

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Its a problem with not properly vetting ccs proposals for viability

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> oh you mean bytecoin?

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> once in a 10 year period is not that much, is it

<b​oog900:monero.social> how many times are your forking cuprate lol

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Most of those bad proposals are from pre-plowsof era

<b​oog900:monero.social> how many times are you forking cuprate lol

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> He is trying to overthrow the core now, led by evil ofrnxmr lol

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> plowsof deserve a raise

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> plowsof: give me your address in dm so that I can send you a present

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> (this conversation is recorded by the CIA)

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> plowsof gives himself a raise on paper, but then only collects every 3 months

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> because maintainers were chosen carefully to some extent

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> they didnt pop up out of thin air like synthetic bird

<b​oog900:monero.social> the goal posts are moving too fast

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> bro still don't wanna digest i was there since the beginning

<b​oog900:monero.social> I can't keep up

comparing apples to oranges

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Pre ofrnxmr era

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Plowsof alone is weak, sorry to break it, no hate but he cant manage it all alone

are we there yet?

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Why are there so many trolls in this channel?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> \> \* troll \*

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> \> "why is there so many trolls in this channel ?"

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Pedo tranny, you are the leader of those gangs

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> new title

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Petition to ban rust devs

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> Again lets vote on that on the meeting

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Vote on what

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> And lets not alienate anyone who is not active 24/7 on this channel

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Kayaba is rust dev tho

topic closed.

ignore this guy until next meeting

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> translation: "please let my alt account go in otherwise i don't have any support for my ban appeal"

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> don't break their sad reality that FCMP++ is written in Rust

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> on adding that rule

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> What rule is that

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> i said lets take the vote of active people on x

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> again, you are attacking the community that is outside of your circle

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> no im actually referring to you as a single individual

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> but bait harder

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> "Clarify the ownership of the project you are getting funded for"

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> Im saying people on x

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> this is your third time calling them trolls/alt accounts/ non active members etc etc

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> There are no project owners for permissively licences projects ...

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Who owns monerod? who owns cuprate?

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> They can have other people as owners, just clarify it, a headsup for us to know

ignore this guy

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> oh my god, take the L already and just admit you aren't capable of reading a fucking github page, if so was your real concern.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> someone can own the _repo_, but not the project

it'll be voted down officially in a meeting and that'll be the end of it

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Yeah i wouldnt have given a like to cuprate from the start if i knew this virus cat is going to infect our community

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Alt accpunt of bird

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Fk off

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> NorrinRadd welcome to the club

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> whats wrong about owning a project that we are funding?

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> at least, for projects specific to the monero community

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

<b​oog900:monero.social> you want to add the rule, what's the problem with it?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> you see py_verse, NorrinRadd took some time to respond, thats because I had to switch accounts

are we still here?

lol

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> its been about an hour discussing 1 item

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> exactly, whats the problem with voting on a new rule?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> there has been 0 CCS related items since the beginning, only one guy whining over a ban for trolling

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Oh shit, nioc, another headache

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> This convo is doomed

how many times has that question been asked

ofrnxmr yeah just vote this guy down at a saturday and give it a rest for now

<b​oog900:monero.social> nice dodge

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> 99 percent of hem syntheticbird and norrin and dunken guy spamming

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> thats why i said in the beginning to keep it spam free form trolls

imagine wen they find out I own everything

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> i literally repeated my reason 10 times now

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> You own a big thing down here too nioc

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Should i ship it for you?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Norrin, plowsof still needs to know what exacrly he's supposed to be adding to the agenda

he rephrased correctly a few times.

<b​oog900:monero.social> the reason changed 10 times*

as long as we address this & end it, alls good

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> can you tell me on of them?

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> what was my reason for this suggestion?

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> out of so called 10 version, quote one of them

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> i would like to hold a vote in 2 minutes on the hour for "Clarify the ownership of the project you are getting funded for"

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> can you tell me one of them?

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> what was my reason for this suggestion?

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> out of so called 10 version, quote one of them

idgaf. you can speak on saturday & then it'll be over

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> wait for meeting,

not now. we tried now and failed; you won't shut up. so it'll be on a saturday like you asked several times

<b​oog900:monero.social> "it could make the proposer quit if there is a disagreement" was 1

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> So.. "new rule: [must] Clarify the ownership of the project you are getting funded for"

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> yes/no

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> its literally boog, syntheticbird, his friend norring ofrnx and you

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> yes

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Clarify for a rule is vague. Specify would be a better verb

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> ok sounds great

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> and ownership just assume BDFL while there are other type of governance

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> New boog ccs "i do not own cuprate"

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> New syn ccs "i do not own cuprate"

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> New jeffro ccs "i do not own monerod"

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> new kaya ccs "i do not own fcmp++"

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Wait, nothing is decided

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> ofrnxmr @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Whats your take, yes or no

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Oh mf trolling mode again

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> monerokon are already ahead of the game and clearly lay out their new structure under twisted edwards

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> No. because every ccs would be "i do not own ... "

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> very elegant

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> i said clarify, dont twist my words

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Not trolling.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> i didnt twist you words, i copy and pasted you

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> where shall this vote be held, at the start during community highlights?

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Plowsof did understand the point

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> You too bro, you are just tossing over it at thia point

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> ^

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> replay to that message

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> only if the end of a timer means => vote denied

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> yes

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Yes

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> without a timer community highlights is gonna be 3 hour long

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> "Clarify", didnt say they must not own

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> "Clarify it"

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Py asked if id be voting yes or no. I responded the abovrle

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> added to agenda Vote requested by blessed_mind "new CCS rule: [must] Clarify the ownership of the project you are getting funded for"

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Btw if we are counting votes for only accepted members

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Then these nobody goons of synthetic bird should are also useless votes

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> plowsof specify a timer

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I didnt say anythinf about "must not own", i said "must clarify"

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Lets say only members older than 1 year based on activity

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I'm 3 year old

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Wait, am i active for over a year?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Only active members who have participated in a meeting (any meeting, mrl, etc) within the past 6mth

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> :(

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Ye

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Close enough

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> And active members who work for monero ecosystem

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> When did you get banned

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Nah

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> I joined before you get banned

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> A few months earlier

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> @monero and being employed by cake doesnt make your vote worth anything

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> thats no more than 10 people lol

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> just say you only accept your own people

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> No cheerleader votes, smh

<b​oog900:monero.social> blessed_mind: syn owns librejo.monerodevs.org/Cuprate/cuprate on his CCS does he need to put me down as an owner?

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> what about random kids trolling all day long here?

<b​oog900:monero.social> if you work on a fork do you need to put the upstream owner as an owner?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> syn owns librejo.monerodevs.org/monero-project too boog900

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> you should've just "Clarify" that synthetic still owns the project besides you and you were good to go (based on new rule that im proposing)

certainly not going to accept votes from unknown randos

<b​oog900:monero.social> but I work on a fork owned by myself

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> its not about synthetic shouldn't own the funded project, or you

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> just say it

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Librejo mentioned ❤️

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> You are delivering the one that you both own

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Nobody "owns" cuprate. The code is permissive.

<b​oog900:monero.social> no I am delivering code

<b​oog900:monero.social> if I upload code to GitLab who owns it?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> If it wasnt permissive, it wouldnt be allowed to be funded under ccs. Period

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> like you?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> for 100th time blessed_mind, IRC don't see reply

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> which one is the one that you are going to submit at the end to claim your funds?

<b​oog900:monero.social> whichever allows me to skirt these rules

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Wait, boog, are you retarded?

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Thats what kewbit did

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Librejo and github have the same code

<b​oog900:monero.social> these rules are meaningless and provide no protection for the CCS

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> He doesn't own the haveno, he just makes false advertising as the legit haveno

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> In your logic, thats okay too

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Answer this

<b​oog900:monero.social> what, no, I am working on `cuprate-boog` completely different project

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Boog doesnt own cuprate... neither does syntheticbird

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> How are you going to prevent kewbit situation?

<b​oog900:monero.social> by adding a CoC

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The proprietary fork, unpaid

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> They can't comprehend there is a difference between code and organization/project

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Take my CoC woke bastard

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Like firefox nixos, and other woke shits right?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Its 1.1x faster than cuprated

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Ban anyone you dont like and yell nazi

<b​oog900:monero.social> wat

<b​oog900:monero.social> the sleeper agent has been activated

<b​oog900:monero.social> attack woke!

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Anti fagg agent

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> ive never seen boog so happy before

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> And im open about it

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Im not two faced backstabbel like someone

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> No kids for you

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Die pedo

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> \> \* insult heavily without arguments \*

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> \> "im open about it"

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> py 🤫 we have CoC on matrix / irc

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> But i dont censor you though

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Sry

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And someone has certain words on alert

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> py_verse requirements of voting mean you are somewhat sober and mentally stable

<b​oog900:monero.social> these guys are just as unstable as real "wokies"

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> How are trannys are mentally stable when they cant accept themselves?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> inb4 for py_verse im mentally ill and therefore not able to vote

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> +100

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> who would have guessed

<b​oog900:monero.social> CoC = trans = woke

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> isn't that how the world work?

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> want to show you real world example?

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> firefox?

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> godot?

<b​oog900:monero.social> show me ruby

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> Elementaryos, nixos, opensuse etc etc

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Cuprate's CoC is for the cuprate matrix and github

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Its not for cuprated

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> good job

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> oh oops

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> i thought it was blessed_mind saying that

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I overestimated him

<b​oog900:monero.social> I wasn't even that for a CoC lol: monero-project/meta #1161

<b​oog900:monero.social> I thought it was probably unnecessary

<b​oog900:monero.social> blessed_mind: proved me wrong very quickly.

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> funny thing is, synthetic bird tried to implement the main version, the cursed one but got rejected by ofrnxmr

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> even to this day, he doesn't accept the reason ofrnxmr rejected that CoC (you can check his chats)

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> he clams its completely normal and stripped down version

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> did i say you are for CoC?

<b​oog900:monero.social> I just got wished to die.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ofrnxmr: can you write in this chat that we both discuss this CoC together after a while and that at the moment we just agreed to disagree

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> i was literally talking with syntheticbird on cuprate channel

<b​oog900:monero.social> talking is a bit of a stretch.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> # a bit

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Which CoC

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> you know, the monero meta one

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> the ultra woke one

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The proposed monero CoC? Yeah, fk that one :D

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> Contributor Covenant

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> which you didn't read

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> plowsof @plowsof:matrix.org:

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Lets add a vote

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> On whether or not we should let woke people as a mod, maintainers or not?

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Not ban them, just, dont give these unstable people power to censor people left and right

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> as proved by the comment of your 3 weeks long github alt

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The C4 is a completely different "CoC" and exists on monero and is currently being improved. It governs how one should contribute code (via pr, not commiting directly etc)

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> what else is there more to say. I think that sums up py_verse shitshow pretty well

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> we have to make sure that they dont change it to the Contributor Covenant later on

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Are you scared of democracy?

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Lets see how people vote

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> It goes through PRs and reviews.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> There are ~10-15 open prs atm to improve the C4

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> again, this is unrelated to the first discussion

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> the rule

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> you said we even have co

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> again, this is unrelated to the first discussion

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> the rule

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> you said we even have CoC

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> We dont have a CoC, we adopted a C4 that we call a CoC

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> it doesn't mention this situation about ownership

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> does it?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> We _rejected_ a CoC years ago, and opted for c4 instead

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Sort of.

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> and i think we should be careful of people who are trying to push that again, no?

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> can you quote that part?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> monero-project/monero #9744

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> can you read?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> no sgp_ ITS A TRAP

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> monero-project/monero #9738#discussion_r1930251371

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> GET OUT

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> GET OUT OF HERE

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> I reread the messages and i noticed that

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Throught the entire conversation

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> boog900: is not against anything related to ccs, like, it doesnt affect your dev work does it?

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> You are just throwing a tantrum because of birdie

<s​gp_:monero.social> Adding to this, we could make a separate i2pd app as well, they aren't mutually exclusive. i2p java was simply easier for us to add to TrueNAS first so we picked that, no other reason

<b​oog900:monero.social> it's related to Cuprate

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> No first topic is not

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Look, you are not even against it

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Its rooted in cuprate. Blessed is only making noise because of cuprate ban

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> fk the ban bro

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> im on that "Clarifying" rule

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And because blessed doesnt understand how a permissive license works, and how the cuprate matrix and github is not what is funded

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> you guys are denying the first part by spamming the second part

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> what is the first part and second part

<b​oog900:monero.social> you told me to die? I am here because of Cuprate

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> You are alive though

<b​oog900:monero.social> my point was I was not the one to throw a tantrum

<b​oog900:monero.social> blessed_mind: did in #cuprate:monero.social which stated this all off

<b​oog900:monero.social> it's really pointless

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> for 100th time

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> "Clarifying"

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> second part was, if cuprate becomes the main official client, core or trusted people should take over the ownership of the project which plowsof mentioned that, there are no official client in the first place, and cuprate is going to stay in alternative clients section, so no issue on that part

<b​oog900:monero.social> the rule isn't going to change anything

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> We will decide that as a community not you, a contractee dev

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Only like the 4th or 5th bro, chill :)

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> It is going to change a lot, that's why you are crying and fighting for your life

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> "if cuprate become official then it needs to be owned by monero project", yeah no need for a new rule, this is pure logic. so no issue on that part.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> It will literallt change nothing

well all know that

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> still 4 or 5

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> give me a rest

only they don't

so let them just lose on a saturday & it'll be over

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Having peopke wrotr "i do not own this project" is clearly obvious considering ALL PROJECTS ARE PERMISSIVE

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> thats literally my point in this discussion

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> well then your point is useless

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> you can be the only dev. You can hold the ownership over all repos. You do not own the project if the code is permissive

plowsof seems like you'll have to time cap the discussion

this guy is troll extradenaire

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> i dont have anything more on that part

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> and about clarification

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> ofrnx, in that C4 thing you mentioned, it says if problem arise, dev should file a report, of logs, chats, etc etc

2 minutes for anyone to say their piece & then vote

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> bunch of headache to start this convo all over again

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> so just make it a rule to avoid the unessecary steps

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> sounds about right

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> plowsof will be the one counting the vote

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The ENTIRE point of the permissive requirement, solves the ownership question

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> in his own notepad

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Ofrn warned you, why did you come out again

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> you have a lot of patience

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> Extra assurance on development part

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> just as plowsof said lets vote on the meeting, nothing more to say

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> plowsof said "i'm going to bed so lets waste 2mins in meeting instead of 4hrs here"

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Because your goons keep spamming the chat

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> That guy boog doesn't knowthe topic, throwing random shits

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> And you...

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Its was 5m discussion

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Yes or no on plowsofs part as a ccs coordinatoe

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> py_verse you mentioned "trannys" earlier

<b​oog900:monero.social> am i?

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Is he though

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Boog come to me if you have a ploblem

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> If the project isn't permissive, its already intelligible for ccs under rule # 4

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Ineligible

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> "new rule: must follow rule 4"

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> they are not overlapping each other

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> even if its permissive, what if they fight in the middle of the dev cycle with other shareholders?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> New objective: Follow the objective

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Maybe we need a "new rule: must read rules before proposing new rules"

no one cares

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> extra assurance is not against C4

they're welcome to fight

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> I care

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> sry for your loss

blessed_mind can dm py_verse then

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> ofrnxmr:

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> its a community meeting

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> lets just vote on meeting after a quick mention of the topic and get over it

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> They are welcome to quit at any time. Hinto, boog, and syn dont have to like each other. Kaya "left" monero, jberman doesnt have to like jeffro, ooo123 doesnt have to like rucknium etc

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> you need to create a merge request editing the CCS rules with justifications that people can read and respond.

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> i guess our argument is on the term "community" itself

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> in your eyes, only the 10 or so people the the monero community that has any kind of say in this ecosystem

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Maybe more should participate in the logistics instead of just hanging out on twitter?

only 10 or so people give a F to give input

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> posting on matrix does nothing for my analytics

let's go arrest some people on the street and force them to participate

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> ^^^

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> thats the main platform for "monero community"

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> maybe count numbers?

instead of larping on X

blowing smoke up each others' asses

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> ill make a tweet on monero society

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> lets see the older members take on this?

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> you have x dont you ofrnxmr?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I can only count to 10 unless i take my shoes off

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Wait ofrnxmr is hated on x

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Yes i have twitter

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> But yeah, the main community is there instead of this eco chamber

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Nah, only while i was locked up

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Even kewvit has a group on x haha

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Sacred mission of overthrowing the corrupt core team, lead by evil ofrnxmr

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> do they host monero spaces where they review pull requests?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Kewbit has tens/hundreds of turkish bots commenting on his posts 😆

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> they can if you want too, or do it on the monerotalks

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> "so we only listen to people who do actual work?"

plowsof took the words out my mouth

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> what is that actual work?

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> only people who code on the core github repo?

ask doug about a PR and see what happens

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Reviewing and writing prs, while finding and fixing vulnerabilities (like boog)

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Doug thinks pr means "public relations"

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> let me rephrase it

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> "are there any way for no devs to influence the direction of the project?"

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> No

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Wait

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> idk what to say!!

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Devs write and review code. Non-devs can comment and NACK stuff, or review things they dont agree with. But not by tweeting.lol

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Wait thats why we hated the core

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> ANYBODY** can review a pr

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Because they dont listen to the community and only talk in their own circle of 2-3 people

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> You are doing the same shit

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> But 10 people

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> EVERYBODY is welcome to meetings where future changrs are discussed

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Example: i proposed a short-term hard fork the other day

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> You like it here now you admin huh

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Also pushing for a DSA change to improve rings, and to reopen a closed pr that did so

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Also pushing to merge master -> release w/o a hard fork

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> "fuck anyone who is not part of my kingdom"

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Core doesnt do anything

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> the plot is that py_verse is going to continuously see others as tyrannic until he becomes one himself

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> Monero is a donation based project

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> you cant just say fk everyone who is not a dev

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> They do on their own pace

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> They dont "steward" the project.

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> The problem was, ignoring the community in the first place

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> No, they literally do nothing but maintain wallets

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Stewarding is not creating your own little corw though

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Tobtoht handles merges on monerod and gui now

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Not a ped sorry

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Cuz luigi cant be bothered to be available twice a month

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> at least you can treat me like a real one and give me evidence/proof

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> When did i say fk anyone?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> ^

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> This is like shooting yourself in the foot/feet?

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Alienating the donors when your funding model is completely donation based

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> ^

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> If you think devs are checking twitter or reddit before approving a pr, youre cooked

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> You literally said you dont listen to anyone who is not a dev

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Spirobel, kayaba, jeffro and others have an X account

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Wtf is that logic

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> _im not a dev_

and an individual

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> I mean you are though

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> You work on basicswap scripts😄

smh explaining a decentralized project to normies

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> They call it ai

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> But meh, you make it work, thats matter

but but but who's in charge?!?!

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> are you mentally strong enough to handle a warning for breaking the libera policy rules py_verse?

but but but but who is the owner?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Its not ai tho 😆. I guess a compliment, because the scripts actually work 😆

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> So for a recap

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> ofrnxmr

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> you wont accept the meeting agenda

but but who do I sue if I'm offended?

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> and anyone who is not an active member in the development doesn't have any say in the community?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The item on the agenda is what i proposed. Youre item is on the agenda

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> py_verse: i am still waiting on the proof

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> calling people "ped"s dashed in between trying to have a conversation? 🤷

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Can they detect that too?

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Ill be more careful sry

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> I mean, statistically

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> They are a bit more attracted to those things

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Statistically, math, you know?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> epic

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Give me access to your computer

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> so why are you arguing?

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> thats what i asked for

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> alright py_verse, you have been promoted into the "liar and troller" case. Congratulations.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Cuz its a joke that you dont understand rule 4

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> I think i saved one of the official data about this

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Ill send it if i find it again in the upcoming says

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> > one of the official data about this

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> bro take your pills

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Im normal dont worry

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> I dont need a pill to...

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Nice bait tho

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Lyza: you hear that? I'm trans apparently now.

<b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> ok have a nice day

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Another zombie goon

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Ofrnxmr, bro to bro, letting these guys run wild will only backfire us later on

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Like zcash

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> i mean

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Shitcash

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Save this message

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I think this rule change is woke

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Then why are woke people fighting to death against it

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> boog isnt woke afaik

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> imagine not understanding what you are fighting for

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> and just following the mass

<b​oog900:monero.social> no 😆

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> He is

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> and syn gets accused of being transphobic

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> NO DONT TELL HIM

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> syn's monero CoC was wack, but the cuprate one isnt

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> He had his pronounces in his githuv bio, but he removed it after you got unbanned and make a noise against sgp and woke psyops

<b​oog900:monero.social> I literally didn't even want the CoC that much, look at the meeting.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The cuprate one is common courtesy (ruby CoC)

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Again boog

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> You are lost, throwing random shits between conversation to defend sync

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> life must be hard thinking what you see in the present moment represent the full story

<b​oog900:monero.social> I don't think I did that 🤷

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> libera.chats CoC is far worse than cuprates

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> I can at the very least, remember the people who stabbed a knife in me, dont worry

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I don't even know you

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> stop victimizing yourself

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> I didn't even tell the full story about your shits on ofrnxmr part to avoid starting another drama

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> You are a lier

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> you mean i didn't tell the lies in your heads

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> yeah thats about right

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> I was the only fucking guy in this space who was against the rulling party(lol)

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Im a lier?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> up to know you are competitive liar

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> up toknow you are competitive liar

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> up to now you are competitive liar

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> you can have a medal

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> type faster

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> see ya'll in 3 days

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> In basicswap ccs

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> You literally said:

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> "Guys i talked with basicswap devs, they dont even know about the proposal, ofrnxmr is exit scamming"

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> I called you on your lie,

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> I told you to show evidence, you said i promised the devs to not show ss, i tagged plowsof, he chickened out because there wasnt any support on my part

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> You did so much shit behind his back and when he got unbanned you were the fast to suck up to him

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> I dont think you should get banned, its a free space, all im saying we should not let you in any kind of position of power

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Its not I've shown screenshots to multiple people

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> next lie please

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> I dont have any kind of personal problems with boog

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> The problem is, he is defending a leacher like you, while his interests are in danger, and he is ready to lose doners and supporters for you which fighting to implement a CoC and other woke shits

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> If he is a neutral normal dev, he should just shut up and take his money and work on his project

<b​oog900:monero.social> that would make me a bitch.

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Send them, right here, right now

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> This does call every neutral dev a bitch

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> why would i break the privacy of someone else for your trolling behavior?

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Again, funny how much you are fuking over your image for this bad actor

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I dont think boog is defending syn, as much as he doesnt like blessed (period)

<b​oog900:monero.social> yes 100% ofrnxmr

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Privacy? You are literally lying and destroying someone's career and future with your lies

<b​oog900:monero.social> I have not stuck up for syn many times when he has been in shit.

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Blessed guy doesnt have any kind of problem with boog

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Nor cuprate

<b​oog900:monero.social> he absolutely does

<b​oog900:monero.social> this is where the ownership problem comes from

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Thats why I think you are not suitable for this job

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> You are a fking kid that doesnt understand the weight of your words on people's lives

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> ofrnxmr bench pressed the weight np

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> He just said, you shouldve mentioned sync is also an owner

<b​oog900:monero.social> that's what he has settled on

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> say the guy that called me a "pedo tranny" out of nowhere

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> but by all means continue the hypocrisy

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Yes, but i feel that you are a bit constrained because of the rules and responsibilities

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> You did some shit, you got some shit

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> But i did call boog some things

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> boog900:

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Did I severely affect your career or your life? Something on par with banning someone from his project and making him a liar?

<b​oog900:monero.social> are you talking about blessed's ban?

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> This is the thing that you woke kids don't understand, this is just a fun typing game for you, like every other day

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> But a lot of people live off this, i want someone who understands the weight of his words/job and responsibilities, something that woke people, on 90 percent of the occasions couldnt understand, we dont want to bet on that 10 percent

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> We bet on non woke for 50 50 at the very least

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> It's so sad you put

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> No, he mentioned I'm lying too, he is trying to justify his shit with my swears towards you

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> It's so sad you put people in the same "woke" basket despite them having experienced the same things as you have experienced.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> TIL

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> py_verse is 1/15 ofrnxmr alt accounts. I'm happy to have so many different personalities

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> and so do i

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Yes, even syntheticbird and i have been accused of being the same person

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> I dont even know that fking ofrxmr guy

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> I didnt meet him, i didnt see his phace

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> First time i found him was when found out how fucked up the communities situation was, and there wasnt any way for me to fix it

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> I joined the dough youtube live and found someone who was against the current way of operating the project

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> You see the thought train?

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Now tell me, what have you done?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> luigi too

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Can ou see the thought train?

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Now tell me, what have you done?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> off-topic

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> for the basicswapdev ccs - there was definitely a minute there where bsx devs took a long time to acknowledge / comment on the proposal (for whatever reason) . i have no idea what " i tagged plowsof, he chickened out because there wasnt any support on my part" means

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> I thought he was the binary guy at first haha

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> But i showed plowsof some of the private chats (example the tv impersonation)

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The tv impersonation really pissed tv off (at me)... fkn trolls

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> They were trying to ban anyone who mentioned ofrnxmr

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Birdie guy, two other people, rotten, and another spammer which got banned later on

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> After i exposed birdie

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> I tagged you to let the community vote on his situation but you ignored the request and just followed the trend

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> exposed birdie for? vote on whos situation? ofrnxmrs ban?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> THEY DELETED THE ACCOUNT OF OUR BIGGEST DONOR

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Fucking broken down old pile of shit scott and his sockpuppets bots

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> I mean, they would have banned you too if you were going to talk for him at that moment I got it

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Yes

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> I did request two consecatives times on community meetings

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> i have seen screenshots from syntheticbird to justify why he would say bsx devs did not know about the proposal.

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Send them here right now

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> inb4 i fabricated the screenshots

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> oh nvm -100, missed the target

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> I want to know if ofrnxmr lied or not too

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Well, if they exist

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> he and me won't send them but just for your noodle brain. The true story is that neither of us (ofrnxmr and me) lied

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> there was a misunderstanding

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> and ofrnxmr and me talked about it only very recently

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Ofrnxmr drama made their lives chaotic overnight

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> If they have banned me on that day because of your request

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> That so called misunderstanding would have stayed as a truth till this day

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> so

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> At the time I was convinced ofrnxmr was a bad actor. I actually learned about ofrnxmr later on, came to appreciate him and his current work.

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Maybe when you are a mod

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> You have to step up for the truth, even if it's bad for you

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> That you wanna imagine I was sockpuppet of sgp or someonelse is your right

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Again, you don't have the full story

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> same for the pronouns, py_verse

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> You knew me before i was banned too tho 😆

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> do you know what my pronouns was before they/them ?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> helicopter/attack

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I've been called out for it

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Because you have to lol

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> The opposition lost

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> You guys don't have any power against him

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> You didnt have a choice

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> and changed it

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Some/it

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Or they/them

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Iirc

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> You are SO CONVINCED of being right, you refuse to give benefits of the doubt

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> > <@syntheticbird:monero.social> do you know what my pronouns was before they/them ?

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Something/it

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Or they/them

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Iirc

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> i dont know _why_ you stopped dealing with me, but we used to talk on your old acct until i was banned. Then you refused to accept my dms :D

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I think you said smthn about how i attacked cake (tux) for adding anti-privacy features in an update

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> yeah because at the time idr who explained me your were someone disruptive

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> and your heated comments under cake wallet repo didn't helped

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> (wallet calls home over clearnet)

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Man if you knew his true nature...

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> py_verse are you living in the voteofrn time period?

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Lets take this fight over X

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Haha

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Nah, but I don't forget plowsof

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> You don't move on you mean

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Its still voteofrn

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> That blessed guy said he is going to open the discussion in the monero community right?

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> ofrnxmr @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Are you a member there?

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> The big 750 member one

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Til i'm president frfr

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Monero Society*

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> not monero community

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> "move on"

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> If you dont learn from your mistakes or forget them, you are bound to repeat them

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Like trusting you...

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Not in mavricks group, no

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 🤷‍♂️

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> You don't wanna admit you are wrong.

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Who owns the simplex one

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> so sad of you

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Yes****

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Literally asked for a proof to prove me wrong

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> OFrnxmr and plowsof confirmed

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Ofrnxmr and plowsof confirmed

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> just scroll up

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> im a "lier"

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Plowsof can show the ss

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> And did they deny your anti ofrnxmr activity?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I own the monero simplex

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Lets make that the official monero channel

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Pre ban luigi

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> why would they deny my disagreement ?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ofrnxmr confirmed it

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The 2000 member one

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> you don't trust him

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> you don't trust him?

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> You are also in the mavricks group?

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> You?!

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> i think py_verse and ofrnxmr need to rekindle their relationship somewhere else. the chatlog is big enough now

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> It is the "official" monero simplex (cuz i say so)

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> well up to today, just quit it 5 hours ago

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Haha, you know when to run dont you

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> simplex x monero society go go go go

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Good for you, i got kicked because they suspected me im a bot

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> simplex.chat/contact#/?v=2-4&smp=sm…22groupLinkId%22%3A%22XENmd9XeJ0rcB<clipped message>

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 900hulObg%3D%3D%22%7D

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> you are so pitifully stereotyped

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> We call them normal people

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Not a transformer you know

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> At least for posterity people will read the logs and see you are in denial

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> phone call

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Send the screen shot lol

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Im not scared, i said the same thing in the first day i joined this room

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> and again, i won't show them. You not trusting the one i was hating telling you I'm right and still asking the screenshots is being in denial

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> This should be more than enough to at least, start doubting

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I can't help you

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Joined the group after 5 captcha tries lol

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Maybe i am a bot

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> This is your third or fourth drama in the short 1 year time

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> I don't think this is the last one though

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> See ya later guys

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> "<E​rC> imagine if all you people would spend all this time contributing to monero in some ways instead of bullshitting on this chat 24/7. Maybe something would get done" #freeErC

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Stops people from saying "anyone here "

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I'm back

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> He shouldn't have been banned in _all_ rooms imo

<3​21bob321:monero.social> just the ones he banned ofrn in

aaah so nice to turn on irc and see that the last discussion in this room was people calling each other "pedo", calling a coc "trans", insults and only personal attacks. 0 monero work

Thanks mod for keeping this place civil and cosntructive. You are doing a great job

does anyone remember when discussions here were civil and there was actually work being done?

<m​mxxx:matrix.org> I already suggested that you use other platforms in which people are more serious about the topic in hand.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Aloha haveno erc20

Thanks for your suggestion mmxxx, but the platform itself is not really what i'm talking about here

and btw, before the coming of the trolls, this place was the main place where we used to organize work onMonero

so eyah, this used to be the serious place :P. Now i'm curious to know where the serious place to have community coordination is

<m​mxxx:matrix.org> Well those days are done. Try retroshare or lemmy or maybe one of the many twitter alternatives.

well, monero's lemmy is manged by the same guy who censored me everywhere and that keeps attacking me for having the wrong opinion. So not a big fan of that. I never heard of retroshare and that makes me think only a nice use it.

so not really great. I'll have to go outside monero channels to reach as many people as possible, since i'm censored in Monero places

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Plz whinge in monero-beef

<m​mxxx:matrix.org> retroshare is niche but it's where you are most likely to find to find a receptive, captive audience

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Avoid xmpp , you won't handle the people

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Maybe try bluesky

that's a lot of backscroll

did i miss any votes?

yeah 3 of us voted to change name to montero. As you can imagine the quorum was reached and now we are called montero

btw i don't lack places where ican post, i was asking where monero people meetup nowadays.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> midipoet, you just missed a guy who trolled in #cuprate, got banned, use the fact that I wanted to include a CoC to whine about le censorship. Then in hypocrisy decided to act disguise his whining in genuine concerns about ownership clarity in CCS proposals (quoting loopholes or issues (there were none)), at the end he just wanted to justify bringing his twitter friends to make th<clipped messa

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> e next ccs meeting a shitshow during a vote of a useless rule.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> erc twisting history again. wasnt banned for "the wrong opinions" but for trolling for hours on end.

you tried to introduced a coc? How are you not crucified in the public square yet?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> harassing, cry bullying, etc

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Playing the victim

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ErCiccione, i have ofrnxmr approval on the text time 😉

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> erc its very different if you want to introduce a CoC for everyone vs for your own project

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> this time*

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Bitch in offtopic

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i dont think anyone complained about the haveno CoC

the CoC was just CoC signalling, it wasn't serious

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> nobody wants a monero coc though

lol s​yntheticbird. look forward to it. My coc was a trimmed down copy of the contributor covenant. Do you have al ink to yours?

even if it was serious, nobody would pay attention to it, not even the mods

yeah. No point in a coc if there is nobody to enforce it

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> we should really enforce more, true. can anyone ban erc from irc now?

what for?

lol. monerostalin is upset people are not censoring from here too :P

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> ban evasion

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> he is asking for more enforcement

i always thought IRC was a the parent room and matrix the children rooms

in terms of hierarchy, not participants

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> start with yourself and remove yourself from the monero channels :)

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> nah

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> you IRC boomers tell that shit to yourself <3

ha

note. He arrived many years after when matrix channels where already created and operational. He has no idea how things were working before midipoet

i get that. but if the relay bot stopped working, where would all the meetings happen, do you think?

my bet IRC

but i could be wholly incorrect on that

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i dont care how you boomers communicated on IRC in 2014

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> the boomer meetings maybe

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> but the community meeting would be here for sure

which are the boomer meetings?

i guess he means the meetings of the people who built monero

don't be silly. they're not important!

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> yeah, MRL for example

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> im not saying they arent important

eehm what? :P mrl was meetring on irc way longer before they started meetings on matrix

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> just that they cling to a dinosaur protocol :P

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> im not saying they have to switch

it is centralized, but here i'm not banned from power tripping mods yet.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> but i definitely am allowed to poke some light fun at them lol

next you'll be saying C++ is for the boomers

lol

and the zoomers all want Rust ;-)

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> yes, thats why all our new stuff is built in rust ;)

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> cuprate, arti, serai

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> that being said, boomers, please keep maintaining the C++ node

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> will be nice to finally have 2 different implementations at once

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> btw to the people who are used to chains with multiple node implementations, do you run multiple nodes? id probably run cuprated and monerod

didn't someone make a python implementation once (or maybe it was Go)

yeah different implementations have been worked on and abandoned during the years

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> someone once built an entire monero-btc atomic swap exchange in the webbrowser

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> this was right after the last hardfork which they didnt know about

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> after people got stuck on that, he just vanished

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> had an orderbook and everything

<r​brunner7:monero.social> A fork was once rewritten in Go, Dero

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> ew

yeah. fucking zoomers

what the fuck do they know

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> certainly not how to use irc

yeah, they build these things for free with old technologies! Terrible people

changing subject. During these years mostly away from crypto i became convinced that the problem of the lack of quality in the space is related to the fact that these technologies (crypto) can be used to speculate

that kinda makes harder to work on the technology itself, because when profits get in the way, people's interests changes

what i mean is that i think that as long as there is speculation, cryptocurrencies will always be tasty for speculators

I thought about the solution for this, and the only thing i can think of is a private stablecoin in theory. So, speculation is mostly cut out and the technological benefits would be the max for who wants to transact privately

Any opinion about this? I thibnk this issue is fundamental for crypto to survive and not only become a toy of turbocapitalists

i know there are a lot of anarcho-capitalists here that will disagree with me, so i'm mostly interested in the opinion of somebody who doesn't have that mindset

surely there is a "private stablecoin" already?

see for example vitalik selling all his eth, becusae he claimed he cannot be impartial if he has an economic interest in the project. That's a great point imo

midipoet don't know really. Mine is more a teoretical uestion

my point is basically that by removing speculation, the entire mindset of the people working on the project would be different

because people are not pushed to shill to pump their bags, because their bags won't pump. Just for an example

just did a quick research and couldn't find any project doing something like that. Makes sense, technically wouldn't be easy. And the lack of scripting capabilities in Monero and other private projects don't simplify things

with a 'privacy stablecoin', contributors would be pushing for "adoption" just as much though, which is also an economic incentive. the "company/project" would collect fees, invest capital, try and generate profit, etc.

why is adoption an economic incentive? I see the push for adoption in this case as good, because it's not related to the value of somebody's bag increasing

also i don't think the "company/project" would need to do any of that. Exactly as monero didn't

we went on building for many years basically working for free

now there is a ccs for everything, but that's just the symptom of things changing inside the community more than a universal law

maybe we just need another church of monero. Where is xeagu when we need him? :P those were crazy times

for anyone has missed this piece of history of Monero: old.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/as…ero_enough_is_enough_how_the_leader

so yes, we actually had a "church of monero" for some time :P

<3​21bob321:monero.social> #monero-offtopic

i'm pretty sure monero and monero's history are on topic here. Try to get rid of me some other way lol. Maybe a poll?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Fkn noob

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> never heard of haven, zano, or the many other stable shitcoins

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> "<E​rCiccione> I thought about the solution for this, and the only thing i can think of is a private stablecoin in theory. So, speculation is mostly cut out and the technological benefits would be the max for who wants to transact privately"

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Bro is still traumatized from haveno ccs price dip

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Stablecoins are cancer. Why would anyone want a coin BASED ON a central banks issuance?

I'd like to point out once again who is provoking who here. :)

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Troll

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Acting like money printing from the fed is "stable" just shows that youre insane.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Erc seems like a "why me person"

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Yeah, provoking your brain to turn on before posting

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Or snow flake

there we are. Personal attacks for an opinion they don't like

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Seriously, how have you never heard of haven or zephyr

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Poor victim

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Are you living under a rock?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Btc rock

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Stable rock

<3​21bob321:monero.social> We almost got a haveno app

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Not like a nginx front end

so, offences aside i'll be curious to know other people's opinion, not that i expect many contributions if this is how things work here

ofrnxmr: zano and haven aren't stable coins?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> zano isnt, haven is (rip haven via inflation bug)

so why did you say zano was?

"provoking your brain to turn on before posting" lol

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Zephyr is too (also had inflation bug)

<3​21bob321:monero.social> What about firo ?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I said zephyr ...

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Oh shit, sorry midi. i mistyped

lmao

haven doesn't seem to be either - from what i understand it just allows you to lock up your XHV and get some other type of asset for it

but the price of XHV is volatile

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> XUSD is the entire purpose of haven

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Haven, never had the success it deserved despite being loved

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Don't get me wrong I'm against stable coin

The discussion is going a bit ot.

my question was not about other stablecoins, but rather about what people think about the inpact of speculation on a project and his potential

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> it was off topic the moment you mentioned private stablecoins as the topic

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Fkn troll ass

the usual insults arrived, so now i'm looking forward to what other thinl

*think

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> OFFTOPIC

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> #monero-offtopic

This is about Monero. it's not off topic.

try censoring me with a poll. It worked the last time

anyway, i still want to know whether there is there a privacy orientated stable coin or not!? ofrnxmr says there are two

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Zephyr etc and a private stable coin is on topic? Bullshit

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Midipoet, havenproject.org < haven is dead due to an inflation bug

right, so it's dead

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Zephyr also had the same inflation bug, but they didnt shut down

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> ...Still offtopic

<3​21bob321:monero.social> This is community, not vomit talking

<3​21bob321:monero.social> We can talk about haveno front end if you want ?

is there a room where people can talk about Monero seriously without all this noise and low quality conversation?

3​21bob321: sure, let's

any qyestion you want me to answer to?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> erciccione, go to monero-offtopic and ping juliu

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> (re private stablecoins)

lol

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I don't see what's so funny

<3​21bob321:monero.social> How come it was submitted and approved before the backend was done ?

i'm not sure what's the point of this question, but the backend of haveno have been worked on for two years before we submitted the request for the new ui. The plan was to build both ui and backedn at the same time and that's what we were doing

so to have a working platform as soon as possible and hopefully soon after a working ui

any other question?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> So the back end was done first ?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> frontend was supposed to be finished in 4-6 months, yet the backend took 2 more years. You had claimed that the new frontend was a requirement / old frontend wasnt viable, yet here we are today. Old frontend working fine.

no, the backend wasn't ready 3​21bob321.As i was saying, the idea was to work on both of them at the same time, as we did for a bit

<3​21bob321:monero.social> So what was the new front end money used for ?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> when you say "we", what did you do for the backend?

3​21bob321: the payouts that we got from the ccs were immediately paid to the UI devs (accounting is all in detail on haveno's repos the other money are still in the ccs afaik, except for the 11k that you were scammed of

<3​21bob321:monero.social> So ui was done ?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Partially

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> github.com/haveno-dex/haveno-ui

o​frnxmr: For an easy overview you can see my commits on the haveno repo for direct work, devops and everything else i did. I also organized and documented the deployment, docs, managed the entire infrastructure, bug triage, etc

so, yeah. Trying to trivialise my contribution to haveno is a bit stupid :)

beside literally coming up with it and working on the trade protocol for like a year

so, next question?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> You never transferred #haveno irc channel ownership. Wen

let me check that out

<q​8monero:matrix.org> hello :)

<q​8monero:matrix.org> hey :)

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> hi :)

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 👋 :)

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> . :)

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> :)

o​frnxmr: apparently you were right. I might have forgot about irc powers in that room. I'm notgoing to contribute to haveno and i have no interest in being in that channel. So i remove my powers and gave them to selsta, midipoet and geonic

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> )

<q​8monero:matrix.org> am a newbie friends, so can i ask some basic question regarding mining ? i have to say it was very hard getting here in the first place

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Midipoet and geonic? Lmao tf?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Give to plowsof

Haveno channel? I don't read that channel actively at the moment, maybe plowsof would be better.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Yes. Plowsof owns haveno-development

i gave powers to the people i saw in that room that i know are trustworty. My point was just to remove my op

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> (with woodsers blessing)

<q​8monero:matrix.org> what is the official irc channel and server does the community connects to ?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Hi there, this is the wrong channel. Please go over #monero

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> libera.chat

<q​8monero:matrix.org> thanks :)

so again, feel free to give powers to whom you want. Not my business really :)

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> it didnt deserve any success, their stablecoin depegged

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> >gave them to selsta, midipoet and geonic

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> lmao

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> > gave them to selsta, midipoet and geonic

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> lmao

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> > gave them to selsta, midipoet and geonic

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> lmao

Zepher also seems dead

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> why do you say that

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> nvm. Dont answer that. Offtopic

I looked up their ZSD (the stable coin) it seems pretty dead

Maybe it's just not listed anywhere meaningful

And has depegged from 1USD

github pretty much dead too

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> idk. they put efforts into it.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> not very useful but still some efforts

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Trash

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> zephyr was a scam

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The tokenomics were always trash

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> most likely the exploit was by an insider

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Haven died twice now, and zephyr is just a haven fork

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> they minted like 16 million zeph which is much more than the total supply

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> LMAO

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And like 400b haven

what is that Djed protocol they talk about? docs seem dead

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Offtopic

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Ask juliu

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I miss Juliu

<i​nit00x:monero.social> do you guys know where supportxmr pool operators usually chat?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> dontasktoask.com

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Why, whats up?

the protocol: ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/10174901 but they don't seem to mention how that would work with the privacy aspect, which is a red flag already imo

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> #monero-offtopic erc

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> i would be curious too

<i​nit00x:monero.social> I send an email to them but still no respond for like a week

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i dont think ive ever seen a pool operator other than xmrvsbeast around the community

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Supportxmr is around

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> You can try reposting on #monero-mining:monero.social

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I'll fwd msg anyway

<q​8monero:matrix.org> this room does not exist

<q​8monero:matrix.org> you recommend mining there ?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> xmrvsbeast shut down their pool and is now giving away hashrate to p2pool miners

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> monero.town/c/xmrvsbeast

what's the hashrate distribution in pools currently?

nvm found it miningpoolstats.stream/monero

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> waaat

<q​8monero:matrix.org> :)

monerobull > 1 implementation has its pros and cons. 1) there is the risk of net splits but 2) if there is a bug, it's less likely it's going to hit every node