<3​21bob321:monero.social> Maybe plowsof is on summer break ?

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> incredible how one comment makes you lot so petty and pathetic

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> 2 years non stop work and delivering game changing features and this is how you treat a project that delivers?

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> while paying out literal scams CCSs and keeping others open for years with no "performance revew"

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Wes inclusive

<m​ecanik1337:matrix.org> Hi, who checks and approves bounties?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Plowsof

<3​21bob321:monero.social> In bounties room

<m​ecanik1337:matrix.org> thanks

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/IVpsxmdmipXVBfgYaOoLdqJt

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> proton are fucking WEF agents of evil

<3​21bob321:monero.social> On sith lords podcast with them, they won't do monero cause they want to be compliant

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Also no body asked for a proton wallet either

is it a custodial wallet? otherwise, it's not really clear how they would encounter compliance issues

i guess Seth must have asked that though

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Self custody

well, hopefully Seth asked them what compliance obligations exactly.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> podverse.fm/episode/So1lo1kr-

<3​21bob321:monero.social> This episode

thanks for the share

at about 50m they seem to suggest that the reason they don't accept Monero for plan purchases is because it might mean the big 4 auditing firms will no longer audit them.

but looking back at the image that monerobull shared, it says XMR is included?

so maybe we all missed that!

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> no midi

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> they are making an april fools joke

oh

LOL

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> "haha we are adding all these SHITCOINS to our wallet"

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> including monero in this is a targeted message

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Ban!

well, we should all be happy that XMR was included alongside SHIB and TRUMP.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Moon now

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> cool

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> midipoet: afaik proton wallet is in quantum custodial state, as they basically are aware of your transactions, can block youi from accessing your wallet, but they don't have the seed as this is generated and encrypted by your account key, client-side. it's similar to how they don't have access to your email content

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> oh fuck this was an april fool

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> i fell for it

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> But i agreed

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> r4v3r23 since a few days:

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> 🧂

<o​hchase:envs.net> ah damn I like proton, that is a bit of a low blow april fools joke. but to be fair they didn't group xmr with trump and doge etc; having xmr classed with bch, eth, and sol seems fair

<o​hchase:envs.net> ah damn I like proton, that is a bit of a low blow april fools joke. but to be fair they didn't group xmr with trump and doge etc; having xmr classed with bch, and eth seems fair

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Xrp..?lol

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> not you, talking to Dan, plows, etal who keep making some cringe joke about "summer"

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> plowsofwhat about CCS that hasnt claimed a milestone in 8 months, hasnt updated in 5 months, or pushed any code in 3 months? are only winter vacations allowed? or just because its not anonero they get a pass?

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> plowsofwhat about CCS 437 that hasnt claimed a milestone in 8 months, hasnt updated in 5 months, or pushed any code in 3 months? are only winter vacations allowed? or just because its not anonero they get a pass?

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> why arent they on your little list?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> My issue was you wanted up front payment and then said you will release straight away and them crickets

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Optics doesn't look good

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> i never said release straigh away

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> and i asked for half up front (just like another CCS at the time was)

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Yeah ofrn

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> either way, im not delayed YEARS like other CCSs

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> how can you even compare

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> and how about htis?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Not comparing

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> then anonero goes off the fuckign list

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> ridiculous

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> show me where i said release straight wawy

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> and go back to the discussion, i was totally flexible and accomodating to whatever payment structure you guys suggested

This is 437 repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/437 , can add this no problem. He did contact me previously about completion of this and some other questions but i pointed him to announce this in public here.

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> take me off the list

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> giving us same deadline as molly/SDK is fucking retarded

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Was going to say that onw

<3​21bob321:monero.social> One*

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> yeah, right

If someone can tag mr cyans matrix. He is writing an update/blog last i heard

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> Dan (Is not the man &amp; Braxman Tomsparks Qtip USAID Advocate) Backupwhere did i say release right away?

Mrcyjanek0

<3​21bob321:monero.social> my misteak

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> then whats your issue then?

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> did you miss the release that came out with over 70% of the work done?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Tbh I don't use your wallet

<3​21bob321:monero.social> So wouldn't know unless it appears on town or reddit

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> then who are you to chime in?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> To make a joke ?

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> you have an issue with the ccs based on incorrect info?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I think the "if i'm going down, i'm taking other with me" isnt exactly a good goal to have

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> "my issue is..." thats not a joke, its an accusation

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> thats not the goal. its to expose hypocirsy

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Weird accusation

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> the problem isnt 437 or anonero, its the arbitrary decision made b plowsof

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> right. neither should have that disclaimer / deadline

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> exactly, next time keep it to yourself

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> exactly

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> all plowsofcan do is make some cringe joke about "summer"

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> xmruw had been sidetracked due to other obligations, but monero_c has had steady updates, releases, and is in use by multiple wallets (stack and cake)

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Why are then amended to the CCS and not a comment ?

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> plowsofwhy should newer CCSs that have claimed milstone recently be subject to same deadline as ded/stale CCS from years ago?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Neither project is dead or abandoned. both are functional and being worked on _today_

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> so what? shit happens with developement. his excuse isnt any better than anoyone elses

<3​21bob321:monero.social> What was the criteria to put the deadline ?

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> the idea was a goodwill gesture to prevent a case like Molly/SDK/ old ccs

<3​21bob321:monero.social> SDK I know uses the 9month per milestone

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> but instead, its being used against me

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> He has nothing 2 do with your fight

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> hes not on the list. neither should i

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> simple as

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> plowsofcare to comment?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> \<plowsof> deez

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> excatly. nothing valuable to say

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> This action was performed automatically

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> take me off that fucking list

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> He has nothing to do with your fight. Your logic is also "if i'm on the list, he should be too!" Which is nonsense

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> youve had your power flex

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> no its not. i said it twice

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> i said hes NOT on the list, so I shoudnt be either

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> neither of you should be

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Not about "equality" or fairness, but about being logical and realistic.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> image.png

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> #voteofrn

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> that is my point, so stop accusing me of saying otherwise

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> kill dead projects. Simple as that

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> instead we have a clown as a ccs coordinator who cant admit his mistake

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> and instead sends memes as a response

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> that's rough.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Tbh molly money should of be used for sdk

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> epic fail

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> i wanted to replay to ofrn

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> yeah sure

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Getting nasty now

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> youre welcome to make a mature response at any time

<p​reland:monero.social> I don’t know what is going on, but yeah

<3​21bob321:monero.social> There must be a criteria that these projects fit to have a deadline

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> gatekeeping

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> the critera is plowsofs discrection. he still hasnt answered why SDK should have same deadline as anonero

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> or why some CCSs are included but not others

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> Hey sorry for late response I do miss part 4/4 in milestone 2/3, which mostly involves writing a write up blog post. I do have it almost ready but due to mostly personal reasons I was to able to finish it on time.

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> The missing part is getting paid and making a nice blogpost, I didn’t stop working on monero_c (including beyond the scope of what I do for cake wallet).

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> Hey, please keep me out of anonero discussion

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> its CCS discussion

<3​21bob321:monero.social> I'm guessing the deadline was just a line in the sand for all projects. The question is how do you determine what requires a please explain

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> you cant gve all projects the same deadline

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> and its not "all projects"

<3​21bob321:monero.social> It's to make it equal I guess

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> why? were they all opened at t he same time?

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> each project has its own schedule and history

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> why does one CCS get 4 years but another only 1?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Maybe the goal was to prompt responses

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> zooming out: solopt is still open. Case closed

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> My project started with a fully working xmr wallet and ended with improved wallet after the CCS ended, as I stated previously I did complete 11 out of 12 tasks mentioned in CCS and did far more beyond the scope of the CCS.

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> I once again ask you to stop comparing anonero to xmruw

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> i responded WITH A RELEASE and still got put on the list

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Can't use zoom

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> youre not following thie converstation, so dont worry about it

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Solopt had deadline of oct 2022. Long after the deadline, the proposer wanted to be paid-in-full to abandon the project. Community rejected, but proposer was paid in full anyway. Since then, its been essentially dead.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Giving 6 more months to that was crazy work

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> the only part that wasn't fulfilled in my CCS is app store release due to legal reason and unexpected challenges caused by it.

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> and even better, a CCS whos work was mostly done isnt given a deadline, but a CCS who started from scratch is being put on a deadline?

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> plowsofrespond

<3​21bob321:monero.social> I think its cause its been 1 year

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> oct 2022 deadline vs apr 2025 deadline = same?

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> yes and 70%+ of work is done

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> what about the projects that have been unfinsihed for YEARS?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Kewbit scammed ccs. Community voted to boot him from fundraisers and the in-progress scams. Community was ignored for a month, and qtip was given thorough reviews and chances.

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> luigi1111major issues with the "new years" merge. plowsof wont even respond to community criticism

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Only can see payout milestone 1 ,11montha ago

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Molly, solopt, sdk, to name a few

<3​21bob321:monero.social> That's the only thing I can think of

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> exactly

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> ight guys I'm going back to my business, thanks for ping plowsof, whenever I'll be needed don't hesitate to ping me, and expect the update this weekend. Have a nice day guys

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> theres no issue. plowsofs just cunty because there was no progress for 2 months in summer (wasnt in my hands)

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> literally hasnt even acknowldeged the milestone 1 with majority of work done

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> just interested in gatekeeping

<p​reland:monero.social> Hot take: work should be done in a timely manner, and the results of said work should be fairly and timely compensated

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/573

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/569

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> do you dev? no project ever meets its timeline

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> anyone working in software knows that. shit alwasys comes up

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Yeah but there needs to be rules broken or criteria to have a deadline no ?

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> it should be taken on case by case basis

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> and again, why punish a 2025 deadline the same as a 2022 deadline?

<p​reland:monero.social> *looks at own dev work*

<p​reland:monero.social> No? I’m not behind schedule, I swear!

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> :)

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Not hot take: donors donate and expect results. If the results arent in doubt of being delivered, we shouldnt be rugging projects

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> what about them

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> all u need is some thumbs up

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> exactly. anonero has been the most consistent and hardworking INDEPENDENT WALLET PROJECT in the space but mr coordinator is trying to flex and gatekeep

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> none from you?

<p​reland:monero.social> Yeah, communication is key; if something is running behind schedule but there is a valid reason for it, then no action needs to be taken

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> anonero had a release like 1.5 weeks ago

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> that covered a huge part of milestone 3 as well

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> and there has been consistent commits for months lead ing up to it

<p​reland:monero.social> With a caveat: if something gets delayed for valid reasons for long enough, it may be wise to look over the entire thing and make sure there wasn’t a mistake in initial planning that needs to be addressed

<p​reland:monero.social> If something is changed, the pre-existing work shouldn’t be unpaid for if it is usable

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> github.com/endorxmr/SolOptXMR/commits/output_mining_usage

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Last commit june 2024, before that july 2023

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> ive giving reasons for delay (mostly due to underestimating the work load) but plowsofs not interested, he has a personal issue with me appererntly

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> looks, he wont even reply to any of this

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> look, he wont even reply to any of this

<3​21bob321:monero.social> OK I know why

<3​21bob321:monero.social> "CCS will expire one year from date of first payout and funds can be send to the General Fund."

<3​21bob321:monero.social> You shot yourself in the foot

<p​reland:monero.social> …hmm

<3​21bob321:monero.social> But did see you ask to remove deadline from milestone 2

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> and i asked to remove it

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> whats the big deal?

<p​reland:monero.social> That deadline is lowkey nightmare fuel for any sizeable project

<p​reland:monero.social> Was it removed?

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> correct, but plowsof wants to enforce it but give CCS from 2021/2022 a free pass?

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> no, thats what this entire discussion is about

<p​reland:monero.social> Was there another one with this statement that wasn’t?

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> all plowsof can do is make some smug joke about "summer" and play tough

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Plowosf must be going off that

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Only thing I can think of

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> he knows ive mentioend to remove it

<p​reland:monero.social> When is the deadline?

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> 3 times at least

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> doesnt matter, things change

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> underestimated the workload, asking to remove the dealine, with proof of work

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> its not like we havent started and asking to remove it

<p​reland:monero.social> From plowsof’s perspective, apparently not; only reason I’m asking is if it has already passed

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Would of

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> plowsof is being petty

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Actually payment was 11months ago

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> 20%

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Add another year

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> right. instead of an arbitrary "July" date that is the same dealine as projects from 2021

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> r4v3r23: where is anonero's monero fork?

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/aGyHsqpbUwUMDPWJbKAljDWg

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Got eatten

<3​21bob321:monero.social> With the fork

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> omnomnom

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> didnt you ask to be kept out of anonero dicussion?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I posted the links

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/573 repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/569

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> man I just want to build the app locally to test it

<3​21bob321:monero.social> 4days ago

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Have to wait of Luigi Buffon ?

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> if I wanted to ask uncomfy question I'd ask where previous anonero source is and where is the fork of my GPL-v3 licensed package that you use in your app

<3​21bob321:monero.social> for *

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> new years was meged yesteay

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> but I don't care about that

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> did you move to codeberg or somewhere?

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> fork of what?

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> stealth mode

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> whats "uncomfy"?

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> man chill I just try to build your app

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> uhuh

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> its the same monero lib as v0

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> ight

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> git.anonero5wmhraxqsvzq2ncgptq6gq45…ONERO/src/branch/main/external-libs

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> fix link plz

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> because this doesn't work

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> new forgeujo instance

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/ZRpakGGNSOxRrqjdetSvytNx

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> faster than previous :p

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> nice

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> anyway got to go, my last 2 cents would be that I'm for merging moving of the deadline for anonero - it is true that some things can be estimated wrongly, so adjusting the timeline is fine I guess

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> assuming there is a updated roadmap etc

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> thanks

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> milestone 3 is last roadmap item and is partially complete

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Add extension to deadline i think

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Dev work is hard and stressful. When you get stressed you have to blow off steam.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Since it's a digital world now, and nobody goes to the gym anymore, we instead come to MCW to ree

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> and then when we've had our fill we go back to work

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> don't hesitate to make a mirror on librejo.monerodevs.org

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> who are you?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> im a bird

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I think the expiry rule can be amended. In the event that a project passes the expiry date, it should be reviewed by the community. If work has clearly fallen off, things can be reappropriated. If work continues and with good reason, and the author or current worker is around, then a second "deadline" can be set wherein the same process would happen.

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> but no other CCS has a deadline

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> i set one as a goodwill gesture

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I'm describing an ideal CCS system here

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> that no other one does is a failure of current maintainers

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> There is no expiry rule iirc

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Projects sometimes give themselves an expiry date

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> for new CCSs there should be a countdown after X amount of time of no updates

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> but current/open CCSs need to be evluated on case by case

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> not 1 sweeping decision/deadline for all

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> (not even all, some arent even included for "review")

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The #1 thing that we are beholden to, is the donors

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> not plowsof???

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> right, he has no right to decide any of this anway

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> unless hes personally paying from his pocket

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…rstack.com/dKPBStUCCTKFzJLJNAckZHSh

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> This is indeed not a rule

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> it's in the "how to submit" section

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> rather than the "rules" section

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> lol bureaucracy

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> anyway, trying to enforce an arbitrary deadline on and active, independent project is beyond pathetic

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And by this, i mean we should protect the donors from

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 1. Being scammed

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> anyway, trying to enforce an arbitrary deadline on an active, independent project is beyond pathetic

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> community "coordinator" should err on side of supporting independent projects that contribute to ecosystem, instead of playing petty power games

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Let your thing be 'reviewed'. Is it silly? yes. Let the maintainers do what they want in regards to process. Given work continues there's very little chance of you not being paid.

Indeed

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> It's not your time being wasted aside from popping in on request to give an update on why things are taking so long

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> ive given all updates and claimed a milestone when asked, and plowsofs arbitrary deadline was STILL imposed on me

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> "imposed" how

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> your CCS isn't closed

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Lets use anonero as an example.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> if a donor sent funds to fund _anonero_, and _anonero_ is an active WIP, delivering on milestones and the donors are not likely to be unhappy with the result, then it shouldnt be on chopping block

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> it's just a part of a list

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> if _anonero_ has 1 commit every year, and 2.5 years past expiry on a 3 month ccs, are donors ever going to see the end product of their donations? No

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…roposals/-/merge_requests/573/diffs

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> it shouldnt be on chopping block REGARDLESS

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> what is the issue with the CCS? not meeting a self imposed deadline?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Luigi merged change that out a big banner on anonero ccs that says anonero is in a red zone

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> this doesn't answer my question

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> nothing has happened to your proposal

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> yes, look at the commit

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> ok here's the answer to my question

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> and why is mine added to this list and not the other wallet i meantioend earlier?

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> that hasnt had a commit in 3 months?

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> plowsofanswer the god damn question

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> is it not pushed live yet?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/r4v3r23-anonero-v1.html

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Anonero was set to expiry (self-imposed) by april 28. It would be an injustice to donors to follow that

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> oh not a literal banner

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> lol

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> "but muh summer risk"

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> any sane headed coordinator would have resolved this the first time i brought it up

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Prior to the deadline, the proposer MUST provide regular updates on their progress as per the CCS rules.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> If the provided updates/progress (or lack thereof) is unsatisfactory, all remaining funds can be relinquished either before or after the deadline.

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> read the last couple of comments on the CCS

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> all of this seems reasonable and you are completely safe under this verbiage

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> aight sec

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> plowsof invited to meeting for update > i showed up and gave update > plowsof again asks for progress (after 20 days) > i respond > i release milestone 2 with features from milestone 3 and request deadline removal > plowsof ignores all requests to remove deadline and keeps me on his stupid little list

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> yeah....so as I said. The worst that's happened is you're on a list and he's not taking you off

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> hes trying to give me some arbitrary deadline (same deadline as ded CCS from 2022)

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> let the bureaucrats bureaucrat and go work on your app dude

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> the deadline imposed literally says "if provided updates are unsatisfactory"

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> and the community will largely agree that your updates have been satisfactory

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The list is inconsistent, and really shouldnt include any proposals that are active

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> you're not at risk

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> exactly. why isnt 437 on there?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I agree but I'm not in charge

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> again plowsofyou can answer anytime

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> although actually I take that back

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> but the guy who is doesnt agree with you

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Look at soloptxmr. last commit 11 months ago. Why does solopt get 11 months longer than anonero

I have answered.

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> EXACTLY

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I think any proposal that hits a year should be reviewed

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Solopt expired in 2022

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> remove me from your fucking list then

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The proposal was for 1yr to begin with

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> and i already gavea full update

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> just giving my opinion

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> and STILL an new deadline was imposed

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> so where does that leave us

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> im not accepting July 2025

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> same as SDK/molly/optxmr etc

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> same as SDK/molly/soloptxmr etc

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Since some proposals are 3 months, it those hit 1 year it means 4x behind schedule

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I agree. But I think 1 year should be like...an absolute hard limit for review.

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> i was already under review

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Like no proposal escapes the one year review type thing

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> i "passed" and still was added to the list

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> yes I'm not talking about you now. I'm talking about the CCS in general.

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> but i am

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> look at this stupid comment: repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…als/-/merge_requests/447#note_29320

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> "ANONERO is at risk of gong AWOL"

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> believe me, yes I know

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> but CCSs open fro 2021 are fine

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> plowsof will bring the concern to the community, and the community will decide dude. And it seems pretty obvious they will decide in your favor. Let the deadline come and go.

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> so even with all my updates and even claiming a milestone, ANONERO is at risk of going AWOL plowsof?

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> no dude, if that was the case id be fine with it

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> And I personally will be very loud if it gets closed after deadline on your behalf

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> hes just deciding shit and not even taking feedback

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> look, he has nothing to say and is reading this entire convo

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> its been going on for hours

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> then your option is to raise hell at his next CCS request for continued work

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> im already doing that now

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> because i delivered and am still told "risk of AWOL"

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> plowsofget fucked

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> he literally said that replying to my message claiming milestone 2

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I think any proposal where the proposer is MIA for 6 months should be placed into a redzone with 3-6 more months to explain or produce. But not a proposal that is active, where potential donor are happy

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Example: soloptxmr. Last commit 11 months ago, previous one 11 months before that. this is a dead proposal

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> yes, somethign like that is reasonable

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Molly hasnt claimed a milestone in 4 years

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> not "PLOWSOF SAYS JULY"

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> A good suggestion.

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> but ANONERO is the one at risk of going AWOL!

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> you're going to need to yell at luigi too. He merged the proposal which means he endorses it to some degree.

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> i tagged him twice

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> and made 2 PRs

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> plowsof just needs to man up and admit his mistake and address his stupid list

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Also, at the same time, dangerousfreedom _told_ us to repurpose his funds and that he would not be back within the year

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> But his proposal is still open and protected

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/uAmIPdHfABZagxQbeYTIqvfD

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> does this look like and objective, fair mind or someone being petty and personal?

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> "shall remain" mein fuhrer

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> he cant decide this shit, he coordinates, not dictates

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> We just need to remember that 1. Its not our money 2. We are supposed to help ensure success

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> extending deadlines for scams or dead projects doesnt make sense. Live and meaningful projects don't need to be threatened to hurry up if they are doing their job, albeit behind schedule.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> everybody is always behind schedule btw

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Except selsta. Selsta's the goat though

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> plowsof is acting as if 1. its his money 2. hes the authority on which CCS lives or dies

July is an arbitrary +6 months date from start of this year, note on/before mention making this pretty meaningless to be fair. . Those added to the list had been placed on my radar by various means. Some through private inquiry on lack of progress.

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> ANONERO doesnt meet your criteria, so remove it

If history repeats itself and your dev disappears then this is a risk factor

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> he never disappeared

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> if we push people to meet uncertain deadlines, you can almost guarantee that people will start claiming milestones while cutting corners

Combined with inquiry on your projects lack of progress prior to your completion of the milestone

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> what about the other CCSs open for YEARS

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> plowsof your being petty and you know it

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> a 2 month delay isnt a risk

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> what baout 437 that hasnt pushed code for 3 months?

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> ALL OF WINTER?

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> is that a risk of going AWOL?

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> man

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> chill

He answered this concern privately and here already

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/LcWuZvjvRqqkaqTzHPBnhMij

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> i will when plowsof fixes his mistake

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> To be 100% fair. Ccs itself was down for 2 months w/o telling people that their money was gone

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> and i have publically with a RELEASE

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> now remove me from yoru fucking list

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> :D

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> renovate? and im not here to pick on yor ccs

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The monero was AWOL

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> its an example

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> plowsof is gatekeeping the project that could have saved the monero fund hack

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> github.com/MrCyjaneK/monero_c/commits/develop nah, it's monero_c

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> 2+ years of work and were at risk of AWOL because of 2 months last summer

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> currently it is anonero, feather, cake+cupcake and xmruw

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> at the time of the hack it was only anonero

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> and its only in those other apps BECUASE of anonero

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> I agree

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> anyway, not the point

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> that's why I'm in favor of extending the timeline

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> credit where it's due

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> plowsof doesnt seem to think so

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> but it is also worth noting that I've done cupcake during the existence of your CCS

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> hes more interested in flexing over me than doing the right thing

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> and anonero currently doesn't support UR afaik

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> wtf

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> so there is some valid concern

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> what are you talking baout

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> what concern is there?

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> v0 is still available and working

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> so wtf are you on about

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> 0.5 isn't exactly halfway through 1.0

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> the CCS is not about v0

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> what are you talking about

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> what are you on about

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> the CCS

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> v1

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> youre making no sense

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> kotlin rewrite

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> what is the concern?

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> and wtf does cupcake have to do with my ccs

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> plowsof respond

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> idk man, I clearly see that plowsof comment mentions the fact that last summer there were 0 commits to anonero at all, and sure you can point finger at me and say that there are no commits to XMRUW for last 83 days, fine, but my project consists of slightly more.

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> The concern here is that removing deadlines may result in project not being delivered, again, I'm not saying you won't deliver, I think you will because I have seen a positive change in the git repo (I do sometimes check it to remember good ol days ;).

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> But currently anonero is in questionable state, there is no source for monero library (that even when available was like a year old in terms of updates), dockerfile for building is broken, old source code is missing, 0.9.5 source is missing even from codeberg, there **is** a valid concern, but with all of that in mind the CCS is about v1 release, and I think that it is fair to men<clipped message>

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> tion the fact that if progress will stall community will review the project

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> that being said, I agree with Diego Salazar - just work on the app

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> ignore the stuff around

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> and you will get paid

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> there wer not 0, so tay out of htis if youre just going to talk shit

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> we all will fight for that

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> "questionable state" go fuck yourself

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> monero lib is online

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> youre just ocnern trolling

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> literally

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> stealth source has been up until last week when i swapped git instances

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> serisouly go concern troll elsewhere

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> we both had wallet CCSs opened at the same time

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> I'll listen to your advice and go play some cities skylines

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> great, ciao

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> don't mention my pr because I have mention on it set

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> 437

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> simply don't mention me I won't reply

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> "questinable state"

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> the fucking nerve

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> #voteofrnand J0J0XMRhave been testing and can vouch for the quality

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> or you can just download if your self instead of talking out of your ass

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> or you can just download it your self instead of talking out of your ass

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/ZVMbmvPQvkacYrdjmHUVcrxm

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> plowsofunnammed moenro wallet CCS

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> at risk of AWOL because of winter vacation?

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> or only ANONERO isnt allowed any breaks/delays in coding?

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> my men, I'm missing one week of work in my CCS

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> and I admit to it

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> what do you want me to do

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> and im 70-80% done

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> again, this isnt about YOU

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> its about plowsofs retarded decision

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> again then stop bringing me up

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> that's great

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> I'm looking forward to final release

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> im using it as an example, dont take it personally and dont respond

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> well i want this CCS shit sorted before contuining, because with plowsofbehaviour hes jeopodazing the enire thing

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> plowsofis at risk of making arbitrary decisions against my CCS at any time

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> all he said is that community will take a vote if you don't deliver and currently:

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> - community is in favor of extending/removing the deadline

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> - community see progress

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> - you are almost there in terms of completion.

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> you are safu, and even if plowsof mentions that you are at risk if you don't complete / abandon the CCS, and it is simply not the case

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> even if plowsof would go ahead and try to close that CCS (which I doubt he would do) community is on your side and that won't happen

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> all that was shown BEFORE merging the new deadline

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> and hes still sticking by his guns that anonero is a "risk"

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> so he can provide clarity that he was wrong and will remove me from the list and remove the deadline as well

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> because there is no concern here other than his personal power trip

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> plowsofhow is a project that has been constanly building from august 2022 "at risk" of going AWOL you dumb fuck?

<s​iren:kernal.eu> plowsof: I hope your sleeves slide down every single time you wash your hands.

😭

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> LMAO

<s​iren:kernal.eu> XDDD

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> not even asking for mbull's help can save you now bro

too far

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> Siren: that was rude come on!

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> I get wishing someone to step on a lego during night..

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> but that's too much

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Siren has no chill. Ruthless

<s​iren:kernal.eu> We all got sensory issues within the monero community😭

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> no response. pathetic

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> The response is clear. You won't be removed from the list. You'll undergo review. You'll pass review. And then we can return on subsequent years to this exact place to reminisce.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> r4v3r23 vs plowsof chess game when ?

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> says who? i provided all the info before the merge and was still included in it

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> now theres a bs deadline of July 2025 on my ccs

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> says my reading of the room

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> all i see is a coward who wont speak up

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> mr coordinator can step in at any time and speak for himself

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> but considering all the beta bitch behaviour, i doubt it

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> cool

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> in person, anytime

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> either way, back to FCMP

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> lmao

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> ain't nobody afraid of nerds

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> my response would be:

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> the only ccs's up for review are red zoned ones, and that anonero is not currently redzoned

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Fcmp is another example. testnet by february. Should we be talking about redzoning it? No

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> thank you. Diego Salazari have no reason to be under review

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> either way, speaking of FCMP

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> we're working on the reviews over here at CS

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> meaning, get me off the fucking list

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I want testnet soon

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> plowsof

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> one day i'll understand curve trees

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Jesus

<3​21bob321:monero.social> We get the point

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Czarek Nakamoto: I'm bringing you back

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> there are very clear redzone CCS that dont need to wait til july. Like molly

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> we'll need new monero_c

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Your not happy

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> mr coordinator can chime in

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> Diego Salazar: hello

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> also poor cuprate people you too

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> why am I back

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> ^

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> FCMP

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> okay fair

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> it comes in pink

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> blue

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> green

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> and with bubbles

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> and in that.. ught rusty flavour

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> sept 2021 ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/vd-molly-payments-stage1.html

<3​21bob321:monero.social> You want to be taken off ofac list

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Community votes on CCS changes

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> then why was new years merged?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Whether its wrong or not

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> Diego Salazar: is there anything more than building latest master with tobtoht's 30k line PR and rust toolchain?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> not yet but someday

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> what extra would be needed?

diego you know that we are up to FCMP++

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> luigi1111537 merge wasnt voted on, so its invalid

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> oh gawd we've been working on the wrong one this whole time

0_o

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I'm joking

<3​21bob321:monero.social> That's an different CCS nioc

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> bumping cause I got curious Diego Salazar :p

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> that sounds like FCMP is soooooon

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Dunno. Let me ask.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I mean we can spin up a testnet ourselves with what's currently out there

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> in fact, we should do so

alpha testnet does indeed look like soon™

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> please, stop the hype

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> the more hype the slower

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> (i'm denial, we're still in december 2024)

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> good point

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> let's create a JIRA ticket

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> and assign story points

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I literally have four mathematician/cryptographers working on this stuff every day

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> what he said: "I literally have four mathematician/cryptographers working on this stuff every day"

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> what i hear: "I literally have four mathematician/cryptographers locked in my basement"

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> they get fed when they give me a new page on our report

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> lmfao

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I even got them all to the same physical place for a week so we could work

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> that was tiring, but fun

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> were there pizzas ?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> if there were pizzas it was totally worth it

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> we did have pizza once, yeah

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> do they need sunlight?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Asking for a friend

321bob321 yeah, quite comical how that dude berates plowsof's list by claiming "it's just plowsof's blacklist" until merged and now questions why it was merged if "it wasn't voted on". lol

the funniest part is that he also crafts a new MR removing the deadline. 😎

let's not talk about his quite constructive remarks on certain "cuck wallet", per his own words...

granted, he started walking "on" the line once his turbo larping .onion-only wallet started seeking CCS funding.

Like I said, comical.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> any news on the new IRC bridge deployment

<j​0j0xmr:monero.social> Yes, I can vouch for specifically the stability and performance being much better than the previous Flutter version (which IIRC was the entire point of the rewrite).

<j​0j0xmr:monero.social> I'm in favor with removing/extending the deadline to something more reasonable, and also agree there should be some process for review of old or stale CCS proposals (which I don't think Anonero qualifies as).

<j​0j0xmr:monero.social> Coding can be tricky and deadlines are notorious for being pushed pack. I thought I'd have Payjoin coded up for Cake in about 2 months but it took way more than that I couldn't even finish it.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> When's the next meeting ?