<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> agpl is similar to gpl but with the added clause that the source code needs to be published even if it is run on server with modifications. It is GPL but adapted for the Software as a Service era.

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> even GPL would mean that it has to be distributed with the source code in this case.

<a​remor:matrix.org> Key word, modifications.

<a​remor:matrix.org> It has to be a derivative.

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> if you don't depend on any haveno code as part of your app than it does not apply

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> thx for pointing it you spirobel

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> So you are claiming to have completed 75% of the work in 3 months

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> but you are not depending on Haveno

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> but you are not depending on reference Haveno implementation

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> we've both heard woodser opinion on the difficulty of a rewrite.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> so there is two options:

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> 1. You are lying on not using Haveno, therefore disrespecting AGPL clause

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> 2. You are lying on having an app at all

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Both of which are NACK

<a​remor:matrix.org> It’s not a rewrite

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> So it's a derivative

<a​remor:matrix.org> libera.monerologs.net/monero-community/20250426#c521073

<a​remor:matrix.org> Stated a month ago.

<a​remor:matrix.org> But today, suddenly it’s an issue

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> your link doesn't answer anything as expected

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> You can't make a rewrite in less than 3 months

<a​remor:matrix.org> libera.monerologs.net/monero-community/20250426#c521074

<a​remor:matrix.org> Congratulated for doing work, but suddenly today it’s an issue Diego Salazar jeffro256

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> so the only option is a derivative

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> which enforce AGPL license

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> so you are illegally closing the source code

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> but i'm ready to bet you actually don't have any code to begin with.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> funny how you contradict yourself

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I think at this point you realize you are dumb and bad at lying.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ^ you yourself put the expectation that it was a rewrite

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ^ and now you confirm its not

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> You fucked up.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> plowsof ofrnxmr, we got him

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ban this guy once and for all

<a​remor:matrix.org> What are you talking about?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Diego Salazar:

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> too

<a​remor:matrix.org> No fool. That says that it has to be derivative for AGPL to apply.

<a​remor:matrix.org> Where the fuck do you see that it’s a rewrite of Haveno?

<a​remor:matrix.org> You and I even have DMs where we say that should be done in rust.

<a​remor:matrix.org> You’re being dishonest at this point.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ^

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> thats what i was referring by this message

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Does it use any of haveno's code?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> it has to

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> he confirmed it wasn't a rewrite

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> so AGPL license applies

<a​remor:matrix.org> Idiot logic

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ^ i just read

<a​remor:matrix.org> “macOS is not a rewrite of Windows. Therefore it must be derivative”

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> don't expect me to answer your desperate attempt as saving your embarrassing fiasco

<a​remor:matrix.org> Why would I

<a​remor:matrix.org> jeffro256, Diego Salazar ^

<a​remor:matrix.org> boog900: ^

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> someone ban this guy

<a​remor:matrix.org> vtnerd: ^

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> he knows he is cooked

<a​remor:matrix.org> r4v3r23: ^

<b​oog900:monero.social> guys he got you, 1 month ago you congratulated him, he must get funding now.

<a​remor:matrix.org> This is what I mean by the goalposts moving jeffro256

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> why are you pinging people who are busy working

<b​oog900:monero.social> the goal posts are the same. Open source or nothing will move forward.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> If the goal is, as jeffro said, to disrupt.. congrats, i guess?

<a​remor:matrix.org> Why wasn’t this stated on the 26th?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The goalposts havent moved, _you_ want them to

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> For breaking AGPL license I would say he should be banned from CCS altogether

<b​oog900:monero.social> why is that a problem?

<b​oog900:monero.social> you have to do it now, why are you trying to find loopholes

<b​oog900:monero.social> show us the code

<a​remor:matrix.org> If it’s actually a rule, how is that tens of people missed that everything has to be uploaded off of your computer for over a month?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> It was stated on the 10th, when we noticed that you have ms completed but no source

<b​oog900:monero.social> being stupid is not going to help. The rules state work must be open source at all stages, its not like this rule is out of the blue.

<b​oog900:monero.social> Rules are fluid, this is a community system. New people are scrutinized more, haveno app devs even more than that. The world is not fair.

<b​oog900:monero.social> eventually you _could_ be trusted more too, doubt it now tho.

<a​remor:matrix.org> This rule has NEVER been applied to WIP before!!!!

<b​oog900:monero.social> how sad

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> SEEETTHE AREMOR

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> boog, we literally created the rule today /s

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> SEEEEEEEEEEETHE

<b​oog900:monero.social> now what are you going to do about it

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Out of the blue, 0 warning. Blindsided, even

<b​oog900:monero.social> I think the best outcome is to open source now rather than arguing and ruining reputations.

<b​oog900:monero.social> or just up and leave.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> lol it's too late for that

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> he is never going to be merge

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> We created this rule just for aremor, since we hate him

<a​remor:matrix.org> Reputations are destroyed across the board.

<a​remor:matrix.org> You all are co-signing extortion like it’s nothing.

<b​oog900:monero.social> how are we extorting you?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Nobody is extorting you

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> YOU want to be paid to open source your work. you said that this is "the purpose of ccs"

<a​remor:matrix.org> Far more than you saying I’m extorting you

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The purpose of ccs is, in fact, NOT to be extorted while being accused of extortion

<b​oog900:monero.social> aremor: you are withholding the code for no reason.

<b​oog900:monero.social> all stupid, you missed out on funding for this?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> We owe you nothing, you owe us nothing, youre free to so whatever you want

<b​oog900:monero.social> on a shot at funding*

<a​remor:matrix.org> My proposal was canceled today.

<a​remor:matrix.org> And now you’re demanding i hand over my work.

<a​remor:matrix.org> And you’re telling me that I have no reason to have concern

<a​remor:matrix.org> What type of psychopath torture is this

<a​remor:matrix.org> “We’re not hurting you. You’re fine.”

<b​oog900:monero.social> I know you read the chats, and saw when we said you can reopen when you open source right? or did your brain block that out?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> There are no demands. youre free to do whatever you want

<a​remor:matrix.org> I read the same chat where people immediately afterward said having over code wouldn’t matter.

<a​remor:matrix.org> I read the same chat where people immediately afterward said handing over code wouldn’t matter.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> You can release code when its ready to be viewed, and come back then, or go elsewhere, so sell the app on app store

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> no, they said theyd nack your proposal because youre not capable of being honest

<b​oog900:monero.social> well you just spent many hours arguing in circles, its still your best chance. With no code you have 0 chance.

<a​remor:matrix.org> I hope you apply this equally to everyone.

<a​remor:matrix.org> All code all the time. In all stages.

<b​oog900:monero.social> nope, some people are more trusted that others.

<a​remor:matrix.org> I’m not even referring to them

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> he can't sell on the app store

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> he is violating an open source license clause

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> that is supposing he even has an app to begin with

<a​remor:matrix.org> ^

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> just saying if we eventually manage to cover a whole 24 hours of arguing with him we would be able to confirm whether he is a bot

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> lol most proposals are already open source when they are proposed

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Dont need to apply a rule against a proposal that is already in line with the rules

<a​remor:matrix.org> Keep omitting “if closed source binaries released”

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> and yes, there have been other other proposals that were closed due to not having source available or being proprietary

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> "if closed source binaries are releases" is not a rule. The rule is plain as i said

<a​remor:matrix.org> Because they released binaries?

<a​remor:matrix.org> If not, show the receipts

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Not open source = rule broken. Nothing to do with binaries.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> kewbit releasing binaries was BOTH a violation of agpl and of rule 4, since the source code for those binaries was not public

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> No, because they opened a proposal for a project and that wasnt open source

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…als/-/merge_requests/556#note_29157

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Probably the most recent one, but not the only one

<b​oog900:monero.social> showing work/proof of your ability is very common for first CCSs. Having a prototype version of your CCS is very clear display of your skill. Not wanting to show it is a very clear indication that something is wrong.

<a​remor:matrix.org> “We do not opensource our backend code,”

<a​remor:matrix.org> A clear refusal. Never happened here.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> LMFAO

<a​remor:matrix.org> There is a proof of work section in the proposal

<b​oog900:monero.social> nah instead you are holding it above our heads until we put you to funding

<a​remor:matrix.org> You yourself merged by bug fix to cuprate

<a​remor:matrix.org> You yourself merged my bug fix to cuprate

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> they were not asked. They werent given the opportunity like you were. You were asked, and screeched about extortion

<a​remor:matrix.org> It was never heard anywhere. Show me where such dangling occurred.

<a​remor:matrix.org> It’s a completely made up narrative

<a​remor:matrix.org> Show me any ultimatum/ anything like that

<b​oog900:monero.social> yes thanks for that (Cuprate/cuprate #426). Still would like to see the best example of your ability to complete the CCS (the prototype).

<b​oog900:monero.social> when are you going to show code then silly?

<b​oog900:monero.social> not before going to funding? so after? no? after payment?

<a​remor:matrix.org> I’ve been trolled all day today. Syn is saying there no way in hell of a merger.

<a​remor:matrix.org> Show the code why?

<b​oog900:monero.social> do you listen?

<b​oog900:monero.social> this has been answered like 10 times

<a​remor:matrix.org> That was never said anywhere. Show me where such dangling occurred.

<b​oog900:monero.social> No code: no more CCS,

<b​oog900:monero.social> Code: maybe CCS

<b​oog900:monero.social> I don't care what you pick

<b​oog900:monero.social> if you want a CCS, and it seems like you do, the best option is to show code

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Don't ping me bro. I busy.

<a​remor:matrix.org> I can’t get over the feeling of being extorted

<a​remor:matrix.org> “Do what I want and I might help you”

<a​remor:matrix.org> That’s gangster shit

<a​remor:matrix.org> When this rule has never been applied like this before

<b​oog900:monero.social> there is no extortion, you can leave right now. please do if you don't want to share code.

<b​oog900:monero.social> sadly if you want a CCS you need to have community support to get merged

<b​oog900:monero.social> the community manager closed your proposal, told you why and how to fix it.

<b​oog900:monero.social> do it or leave.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I mean, im certainly not saying this anymore. I will not help you regardless as a result of today.

<a​remor:matrix.org> Something that has not happened to anyone before

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> In fact I think we need to close this topic

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Let's move on

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Or ban

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Thx

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Will be a temp one, dont worry. Matrix doesn't seem to have a mute option for x amount of hours.

wtf did i just read

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> What happens when nothing good is on tv

#vacationforluigi

<g​ingeropolous:monero.social> man i tried the scrollback but woh

<3​21bob321:monero.social> your back from the other one

<g​ingeropolous:monero.social> is this the same kind of fireiceuk thing where they want to keep their code closed source or under a fuckyou license until they are paid?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> yes

<g​ingeropolous:monero.social> oh. why did this require matrix server killing levels of discussion

<3​21bob321:monero.social> cause they were deflecting the issue

<3​21bob321:monero.social> kewbit level

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> It was only 9hrs

<p​yxmr2025:matrix.org> @plowsof:matrix.org kriptiik krip not is me.