<p​lowsof:matrix.org> visit Monerokon.org , links for live stream. Day 2 schedule.monerokon.org

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> begins in less than 30 mins. which is likely how long a pencilled in community meeting could last today monero-project/meta #1224

<3​21bob321:monero.social> You'd have watch live on yt

<3​21bob321:monero.social> youtube.com/watch?v=qwuAnElkJnw

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Replay can be watched on invidious

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> x.com/MoneroMavrick/status/1936426048960241779

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Hmmm

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Ironic coming from someone that justify its political position within the community by pretending to be the most aware of Monero's current landscape

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> average maverick L

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> +1 ^

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> He's the worst kind of grifter

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> doesnt know anything about monero, and wants that influencer money

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> He talks about creating a wallet, with his primary influence being the worst wallet in monero history (exodus)

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Even the xmrmap is retarded. He claimed just a week or 2 ago that cake was popular because of him. A few weeks before that, he was shilling cake

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Now cake is ass, _because i guarantee he's about to ask for $$$ to create a magic new wallet_

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And going to run to fiverr to do the kewbit dance and vibe code some pretty looking trash

yes if the only wallet that exists is this one : web.getmonero.org/generator ... no Qr codes for syncing the cold wallet, have to walk back and forth with a usb stick,,, UI nightmare if this is true we have a long way to go, and this , xmrmap? is going to help us (whats xmrmap)

i thought we where shilling casinos that get hacked on release day

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Its a free world, and he's free to dream or hallucinate up whatever he wants, but bro's technological expertise ends at "use twitter on iphone". can he bankroll a new wallet? 🤷‍♂️

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I'm sure stack, cake, etc, could add market data and other shit like unstoppablewallet

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> and to be fair, cake, stack etc do have UX _issues_, but to claim they are trash wallets is retarded

there was another monero map team. did they dissapear? bounties.monero.social/posts/120/0-…ro-map-world-map-of-local-merchants , it was going to be a fork of github.com/teambtcmap/btcmap.org

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> xmrbazaar.com is more than a map 🤡

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Maverick claims to be the reason for xmrbazaars success as well

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I say let him do what he wants, but i'm not going to glaze him and pretend like he's acting in good faith, and not solely as a grifter

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Exodus is trash, and for anyone to claim otherwise is pretty retarded. Unstoppablewallet is not trash. If he said unstoppablewallet, i might agree with him about great UX example

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> he's an iphone user iiuc, so his comments about monfluo or monerujo are simply lies.

bank-exit.org/en/map is from that other team

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And is open source

well done everyone

an informal gathering of those that happen to be here begins monero-project/meta #1224

Monerokon Day 2 has finished , full schedule available here cfp.twed.org/mk5/schedule

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Gm

FCMP++ TODO list items being worked on @ github.com/seraphis-migration/monero/pulls

Danbob shared the invidious link of monerokon day 1 live stream @ invidious.privacyredirect.com/watch?v=MWCTcerko_s

ccs.getmonero.org/ideas - still no fans of bobbybull runs marketing proposal

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Close

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/590

[CCS Proposals] plowsoff closed merge request #590: CCS Proposal: Monero Privacy Anthem & Global Album Campaign – Bobby Bull Run repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/590

ccs.getmonero.org/ideas 🙏

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/589

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Ginger, network simulation.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> MRL didnt decide on this yet. 0xfffc is away for a few days, and ruck was going to reach out to the shadow project

<r​ucknium:monero.social> I have reached out: ethereum/ethshadow #25

thank you

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/592

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Acx - monfluo maintenance & dev

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> ofrn vote: just 3 days old, should be left up for some more feedback /exposure etc

previous ccs completed here repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/557

c. [hinto-janai full-time development (3 months)](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/591)

cuprate 🦀 / FCMP++ 50/50 split

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> says time split aprox 50:50 with fcmp integration stuff

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> yeah

fresh and up for feedback. thats pretty much it

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Day 2 of monerkon fin. Doug is at porcfest with monerotopia

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> fcmp is delayed another 6 months /s

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> (need to feed chatgpt some fud)

does anyone have an invidious link of "Monero’s FCMP+ Upgrade Status with Diego Salazar of Cypher Stack | EPI 353"? good watch . and SGP gave a related talk at the end of Day 1 discussing MAGIC including FCMP++ related audits (touching on veradise + cypherstack)

<r​ucknium:monero.social> AFAIK, the LLMs do pull from libera.monerologs

<r​ucknium:monero.social> because BCH people referenced Monero logs when discussing an LLM-generated summary of the Clover paper

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> lol. Its a pandemic

<r​ucknium:monero.social> > The LLMs also seem to really be latching on to a few casual mentions by Monero researchers indicating that Clover seems better, but they want to wait for more analysis before advocating for a switch from Dandelion++ to Clover.

<r​ucknium:monero.social> bitcoincashresearch.org/t/chip-2025…integration-for-bitcoin-cash/1472/9

<r​ucknium:monero.social> Mentions are about to get much less casual

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> zano says dandelion is privacy theater

<r​ucknium:monero.social> I have a quote for that, too

ah, the zano-de-anon page

<r​ucknium:monero.social> 13:32 minute of Chainalysis leaked video:

<r​ucknium:monero.social> > So this was a really big challenge for us because a lot of how we do our Monero tracing involves IP observations of things like services...Dandelion has made that impossible...The big thing to know is that Dandelion was implemented in October 2020. And so anything that occurred after that time, the IP observations that we collect are gonna be much, much weaker. They're gonna be <clipped message>

<r​ucknium:monero.social> much lower confidence.

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> thats a win :3

<r​ucknium:monero.social> Dandelion++ isn't perfect. Watch the "Defeating Spy Nodes on the Monero Network" talk by boog900 and I, voiced by xenu, for analysis of possible complementary technology: cfp.twed.org/mk5/talk/AE7CWF

<r​ucknium:monero.social> Tomorrow at 13:300 UTC

👏

<r​ucknium:monero.social> 13:30*

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> its not perfect, i know. But i use tx-proxy and anonymous-inbound on tor and i2p, so my node is as close to perfect as monero can be without also having p2p blockchain over anonymitiy networks

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> None of my own tx are stemmed from my own node, and my node stems other peoples txs, even if i dont have incoming clearnet connections

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Using tor+i2p at the same time has resulted in near perfect reliability

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> So i find zano's response a bit.. questionable, at best. Dandelion _does_ work to disassociate a tx from an ip. It does not prevent isp spying. Tor+i2p does though, and has great reliability when used simultaneously

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Almost forgot (repost):

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> > Please review this PR for the awaiting approval/approved/rejected message for bot monerobot/monerobot #11 since before have added the image removal and rejected states

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> This is for bounties.monero.social

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> TIA

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Smh, its merged. Ignore me

stealth merge, pigeons has to deploy it so reviews are always helpful

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> @plowsof, it it live/working?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Okok thanks

i think we can disperse if theres nothing major, i know what talk ill be watching tomorrow at 13:30 UTC

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Which?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> (Jk), ruckniums

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Watch the "Defeating Spy Nodes on the Monero Network" talk by boog900 and I, voiced by xenu, for analysis of possible complementary technology: cfp.twed.org/mk5/talk/AE7CWF

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Tomorrow at 13:30 UTC

<l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> It's real darn good

<l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> the contrast between how Monero deals with spy nodes and Zano is glaring

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Zano = we dont do network privacy at all

<l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> Just use a VPN ;)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Bitcoin: we offer very good network privacy, with torcontrol and i2psam support built in

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Monero: we offer very good transaction relay privacy protections with dandelion, and even better with tx-proxy. Block sync privacy is not prioritized, but also not related to tx privacy

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Better: use exclusive connections to our nodes

<l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> the only thing monero lacks is the encryption with an isp.

<l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> something like BIP 324

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> monero-project/monero #8996 ?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Sir stack is perfect

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> stack's rescan blockchain doesnt allow me to enter blockheight

<e​longated:matrix.org> No accounts

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> and doesnt support subaccounts, so makes restoring seeds confusing when balances dont match

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Stack

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Is

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Perfect

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> #soonperfect

<e​longated:matrix.org> Nah

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Let me live in my delusions. Its all i have.

<e​longated:matrix.org> Okay, I guess you like it there

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> FCMPs will support subaccounts too, im guessing?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Aside from Monero subaccounts and rescan block height, what are the UX issues with Stack?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Or UI

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Happy to listen and make improvements.

<e​longated:matrix.org> Viewkey background sync

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Alrighty! Will look into this after we finish MWEB this month.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I believe so

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Subaccounts is just an extension of the major index

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Main account is [0,n], subaccoints are [N,n]

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> cakes view-key bg sync doesnt work too great (android kills it). Workaround is to add a persistent notification. Will keep stack alive in the background np

<s​needlewoods_xmr:matrix.org> I couldn't get stack connect to tor node with ssl, could be a user error though

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> On latest? We made some monero / tor adjustments last release.

<s​needlewoods_xmr:matrix.org> v2.2.2 on fdroid

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> You can DM me the logs and/or error

<s​needlewoods_xmr:matrix.org> update: tried again and it worked 🎉

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Dang im good

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Sound like a hillbilly