<tempetassum:matrix.org> All this back and forth about previous MK expenses is a distraction

<tempetassum:matrix.org> There’s a request of expenses and revenue on the table as the insult and accusation that started this drama was that OF was a for profit company running MK. The inverse of this accusation is that TE was a non profit and there writer inserting that it didn’t take any money in.

<tempetassum:matrix.org> And the quiet inferring it didn’t take any money in *

<dgently:catgirl.cloud> Checking bridge status

<dgently:catgirl.cloud> Now working

<bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> @tempetassum:matrix.org: I second this. Total distraction. We need to stay focused.

<bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> Good morning @ajs_:matrix.org. I would like to ask again, I believe for the 4th time now.

<bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> Will you affirm your obligation to abide by the results of the meeting that you called?

<stnby:kernal.eu> @bawdyanarchist:matrix.org: That really is not up to ajs. After the results are clear they will have to have a meeting between TE members and reach a joint decision. Till then just wait for the meeting. I hope the TE members can also schedule a meeting sometime this month.

<midipoet:matrix.org> @stnby:kernal.eu: Results of what though? What are we actually voting for? I am not sure this has been clearly described by anyone, nor discussed.

<midipoet:matrix.org> The clearest description has been by bawdy (I think) that proposed voting for seperation of infra from organiser. And then "loaning" infra to organiser as required

<stnby:kernal.eu> @midipoet:matrix.org: That or something similar is what everyone in this and MoneroKon room seem to want.

<midipoet:matrix.org> After we all agree that should happen, we can find consensus on organiser (I think). I suppose we can do the latter before the former, if that helps people.

<midipoet:matrix.org> @stnby:kernal.eu: Yeah. But we don't really know how. I suppose that could be worked out later

<stnby:kernal.eu> Prob shouldn't be leased out to a single organizer but MK should still have like a flagship MoneroKon but then anyone else could make their own special side MoneroKons or whatever its best to call those.

<stnby:kernal.eu> And yet again thats just my peronal opinion.

<stnby:kernal.eu> Also I am very much against anything related to MoneroKon being transferred to the so called "core". They have nothing to do with MK and never had and never will.

<stnby:kernal.eu> Unless they wanna come public and join the TE as association members. With majority of current TE members agreeing to that.

<ct:xmr.mx> binaryfates company handled fiat for mk3, and we moved forward with twed because it was not a great setup. Twed with all its downsides was a legit improvement in terms of flexibility and reaction speed

<ofrnxmr> And bf sponsors the ccs cons using the generalfund, and than historically donated the max using his Rino company

<ofrnxmr> I would imagine that he was involved in mk1, since that was run my mrl

<ofrnxmr> By*

<ofrnxmr> But yea, core isnt community

<midipoet:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr: Some core members were definitely involved in both MK1 and MK2. In MK2 including hauling boxes and running cables. Can't speak to others

<midipoet:matrix.org> Historically before that Core were also strongly involved in DefCon events. Again including on the ground

<midipoet:matrix.org> And C3 events actually

<ct:xmr.mx> We must make sure digital assets created by the community remain accessible to the community. Taking content offline as a chip I'm negotiations is quite frankly not acceptable.

<ct:xmr.mx> Right now the idea is have custodians look after the digital assets, who give out access to any organizer of monerokon, upon request of the comminty

<ofrnxmr> @midipoet:matrix.org: Articmine is always involved as a speaker :P

<midipoet:matrix.org> @ct:xmr.mx: But how do you know you'll get it back once lended?

<ofrnxmr> We dont. Look at the current situation

<midipoet:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr: To be fair, I've seen ArticMine do more than just speaking

<ofrnxmr> Do you mean loaned to organizers? They have access, not admin

<ofrnxmr> @midipoet:matrix.org: Im not saying he doesnt, im saying hes at all of them

<ofrnxmr> Including mk6

<ofrnxmr> The most "community" oriented member of core, is articmine

<midipoet:matrix.org> Yeah, I don't know how this would in practice. Maybe it's possible. I don't know enough about it > <@ofrnxmr> Do you mean loaned to organizers? They have access, not admin

<ofrnxmr> @midipoet:matrix.org: On twitter and youtube, its definitelt possible. thats how ajs can kick ppl

<ct:xmr.mx> @midipoet:matrix.org: You don't given out all keys, you keep admin access to undo destructive changes.

<ofrnxmr> For website, its git repo, orangefren nevwr needed maibtainer access

<midipoet:matrix.org> Yeah, ok. I guess you're gonna end up trusting a bunch of people with admin rights, regardless. Maybe they'll be more trusted than others.

<ofrnxmr> The idea is to have 2 people

<ofrnxmr> 1. Delegate access 2. Be available if 1 dies

<stnby:kernal.eu> It should not be lended nor transferred in any way. Someone within TE should be in charge of the media. Merging stuff into the website. Etc. > <@midipoet:matrix.org> But how do you know you'll get it back once lended?

<midipoet:matrix.org> Right so 2 trusted people.

<midipoet:matrix.org> Is the bond idea still on the table?

<stnby:kernal.eu> email access should be given in terms of username, pass or an alias set up to forward those to the organizers

username 'hardware' is not allowed

<stnby:kernal.eu> Because now if attendee email is stored in the db for ticket sales and that server including the PII is just moving like that between LLCs thats very much a breach of GDPR

<stnby:kernal.eu> Need to avoid doing that for the future Imo

<bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> Well, I'm asking him because he is the one with superuser credentials across all that infra. > <@stnby:kernal.eu> That really is not up to ajs. After the results are clear they will have to have a meeting between TE members and reach a joint decision. Till then just wait for the meeting. I hope the TE members can also schedule a meeting sometime this month.

<bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> And while there might be a case that TE is the actual custodian (at best I think it's murky), it sure would be nice if @ajs as the chairman of TE could actually participate and be responsive to the highly relevant questions we have in the lead up to the meeting.

<midipoet:matrix.org> @bawdyanarchist:matrix.org: I can't speak for ajs, but am fairly sure that he'll transfer the infra. The question is really where/to whom.

<bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> Thanks midi. I really do appreciate that.

<bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> As I'm sure many others do as well

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> plowsof: Hardware⊙go still in use and monerokon⊙go otw

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> When can plowsof get community⊙go

this is the email list

<bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> @midipoet:matrix.org: I think so, yeah.

<bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> I think we have kind of two options. One is to go the corporate route, the other is to use pure financial incentives (bond+reward).

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> I dont think many/any trusted individuals here have the bond

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> so, bond would likelt be the most coroporate optiob

<bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> Well we could also just use a pure reward system, with multisig for the payout

<bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> For example, a payout once per year by agreement of the multisig parties.

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Payout for what?

<bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> Payout to the custodian, for proper management of the resources. An incentive to follow community sentiment.

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> and from where

<bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> Let's take a step back really quick

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @bawdyanarchist:matrix.org: I would assume the duty is minimal

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> And intentionally minimal

<bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> Whether corporate solution or bond/reward regarding the custodian; I dont think we'll be able to solve that tomorrow at the meeting. Worth discussion, but maybe best saved for the end.

<bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> I think tomorrow we mostly need to decide who the primary custodian and backup should be, agree to transfer resources, and decide to restore access to those who were removed.

<midipoet:matrix.org> how big would the bond have to be though? The conference is potentially a 50k profit a year enterprise

<midipoet:matrix.org> @bawdyanarchist:matrix.org: Having a list of all the assets would also help, so we understand the undertaking

<bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/rZpJnfUucJqWYKvaKesbhtuR.png (image.png)

<bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> From: monero-project/meta #1417

<midipoet:matrix.org> I assume the MK repositories are GitHub repositories? Was there mattermost as well, and the password vault thing too?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> yes and yes and yes

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @bawdyanarchist:matrix.org: The the core issue of whether or ratify that orangefren can use llc to host a monerokon this year, and be allowed access similar to mk6

<midipoet:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: We need to also understand if there are any other options.

<midipoet:matrix.org> If it's either orangfren, yes or no.

<midipoet:matrix.org> Or orangefren, option B, option C, etc

<bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> @midipoet:matrix.org: ajs withdrew his own LLC from the running. So it really is a simple question.

<bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> Do we re-affirm OrangeFren as the organizer for MK7?

<bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> Unless you or someone else is proposing option B, C, etc ... I haven't seen anyone else propose an alternative to Orange and his LLC (not his swap service, a custom LLC for MK).

<bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: What's funny is that, while I agree this was the core issue, I honestly don't believe there's much contention about that, even probably from ajs himself. Everyone that participated, seemed to enjoy MK6 thoroughly.

<bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> And altho ajs' objection was stated and handled poorly; I believe that we were able to get to the core of the issue regarding control of the MoneroKon digital assets. For that maybe we do owe ajs a thanks.

[CCS Proposals] Lee Clagett opened merge request #687: Add vtnerd 2026 Q3 proposal repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/687

<midipoet:matrix.org> @bawdyanarchist:matrix.org: To be honest, I have a different opinion on what the core of the issue is.

<midipoet:matrix.org> it's been articulated by binaryFate in his GitHub comment.

<midipoet:matrix.org> I don't believe that an LLC should be able to profit from the goodwill built up from the slog of five years of community run events, using community created assets, piggy backing on the cypherpunk ethos of the wider Monero community, all whilst not having to deal with any of the complexities that come with attempting to[... more lines follow, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/0r2ds5ULU1dMdHNu ]

<midipoet:matrix.org> @stnby:kernal.eu: Results of what though? What are we actually voting for? I am not sure this has been clearly described by anyone, nor discussed. <<>> as to the question "what are we actually voting for?" although this covers only a small piece of the issue it is the only question that ajs wrote in the meta for the meeting he called for

"Question: Should MoneroKon’s revenue go directly to a privately controlled LLC with no community oversight?"

if the only issue is community oversight then I believe that there is no issue :)

<ct:xmr.mx> what do I have to build to get the hardware⊙gc email address? I can make hardware :p > <@ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Hardware⊙go still in use and monerokon⊙go otw

<bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> @midipoet:matrix.org: I find this fascinating because, being such an important matter, you remained totally silent during that entire meeting last Saturday, despite being a board member of TE itself. You asked for no clarification, proposed no alternatives, made no objection.

<bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> Despite an arguable obligation to host MK6 (which TE already had 155 XMR in funds), the decision was made by either TE, or its chairman, (or both), to abandon MK6. Orange picked up the torch (on a compressed timeline, taking upon him the full risk), and it seems like the TE chairman and/or board consented to this.

<bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> Moreover, the original proposition by the TE chairman was that their own personal LLC both host MK7, even as they retained control of the assets. I'm sorry but there's no way to ask this nicely ...[... more lines follow, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/zbnZs5ULSnQxUF9u ]

<bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> nioc: I believe the community oversight, is the ability to withdraw access to the MoneroKon digital resources.

that seems like oversight

<midipoet:matrix.org> @bawdyanarchist:matrix.org: I stayed silent during the meeting, as I was not available. There is no way I could access my phone in any meaningful manner. There was also no way I could changed plans to ensure I was available.

<midipoet:matrix.org> The community decided to not run MK6.

<midipoet:matrix.org> TE didn't (and doesn't) have an obligation to run MK. The entity was created to facilitate a community run event. There is a distinct difference.[... more lines follow, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/iPCBtJULOUlCcXd3 ]

<bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> So you're saying the sequence of events was a community decision, not TE's decision?

since there is contention on both sides, maybe handing the reins to orangefren for next year is premature. can it wait until later in the year so we can see if other options become available? it seems early to precommit at this stage and while six months of lead time is not ideal, it was obviously enough time to put it together.

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Their sre no reins being handed to orangefren

<midipoet:matrix.org> @bawdyanarchist:matrix.org: For MK6?

<midipoet:matrix.org> Yeah, I remember the organising team that had worked their ass off for the the last years didn't have the energy to do another one, or couldn't get motivated (understandably).

<midipoet:matrix.org> It was not a decision that TE made, that's for sure.[... more lines follow, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/lu2ntJULY0xGa1Js ]

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Its only "obviously" enough time if you can work as efficiently as OF did for mk6

<bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> Thanks for confirming that the sequence of events was a community decision, not just TE.

<bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> IN which case, the community already decided that a MoneroKon event could be organized as a for-profit endeavor.

<bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> And then ajs himself organized a vote to decide which for-profit LLC would run MK7 (despite also being the custody of the resources).

<bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> You might not have had time Saturday, but you had every opportunity in the moments leading up to last Saturday, to object.

right, he has shown he can make it work under that timeline. and the way you want the question phrased (mk7 to orangefren y/n) is handing the reins over. I proposed a more open question which I think is more appropriate at this stage

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> the question is whether to allow orangefren to use the socials etc for mk7. And further, since its a point that keeps being brought up, whether it is even ok for an llc like orangefren to host one

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> There is no reason to delay either of these questions

<midipoet:matrix.org> @bawdyanarchist:matrix.org: I tried. I raised concerns about the Governance Framework as soon as I saw it. I don't know how long it was up, but I immediately asked about it. I also commented that I didn't understand the vote, the options, or the implications (I still don't), as other also seemed to comment.

<bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> "Does the community wish to continue @OrangeFren's nonexclusive access to use the MK website and socials for a MoneroKon in 2027?"

I think this is an appropriate question

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> They can say no

<bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> @midipoet:matrix.org: That's why I asked you yesterday if you could point out where your objection was. Because I searched the chat history, and found nothing

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> geonic: Agreed

who is they?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> The community

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> The question you just quoted

right, that's what the vote is for

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> so, like the that "there are 13 standards -> lets add a standard to standardize the standarda -> not where are 14 standards", i agree that is the question to be asked

note that this vote wouldn't stop a "nonprofit" from coming along and organizing a "community-run" MK in 2027

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> (We need to vote on which questions to ask /s)

yes, meeting agendas are a thing :)

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> geonic: Agreed

<midipoet:matrix.org> @bawdyanarchist:matrix.org: I pinged you in the other chat with where it started

midipoet & others: do we agree to vote on this question as phrased

<midipoet:matrix.org> geonic: I guess, but the options should probably be

<midipoet:matrix.org> 1. Yes

<midipoet:matrix.org> 2. No

<midipoet:matrix.org> 3. Abstain[... more lines follow, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/lOLUtJULRElBaGh1 ]

<bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> @midipoet:matrix.org: Your doubts were likely well founded. As the group in general voted it down.

<bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> @midipoet:matrix.org: This isnt a reasonable response.

<bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> You either agree that Orange should have his access restored tomorrow, or you disagree. The reason for why you disagree to restore his access immediately is a separate issue.

<bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> Also, abstentions are implicit. If you didnt vote, by definition, you abstained

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> geonic: Bawdy, he csnt see your emoji

<bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> geonic: Yes, agree, 100%

<midipoet:matrix.org> Some people might agree with the idea of an LLC but want a choice of which LLC. If we just have yes/no, and it lands at no. What then?

<bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> Did the phrase "non exclusive" trip you up?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> 1. Did we choose DR? 2. We had a choice, ans chose OF

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> The other choice was 4lice

<bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> This isnt difficult, midi

<bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> If the vote is "no," then we can hold a future vote at any point in time to add any type of organization that proposes to organize MoneroKon, or even MK-adjacent events

<bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> If the vote is "yes," that is non-exclusive to another organization coming along and proposing to organize a separate MoneroKon

<midipoet:matrix.org> Yes it did. > <@bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> Did the phrase "non exclusive" trip you up?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> There are actually multiple choices. OF, 4lice, TE, other, skip mk7

<midipoet:matrix.org> @bawdyanarchist:matrix.org: No need to be tetchy

<bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> Sorry man, but this is feeling slightly tedious

<bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> I apologize for being impatient

<midipoet:matrix.org> I mean we could, but it wouldn't get us far and might end up meaning little petite feathers get ruffled

<midipoet:matrix.org> @bawdyanarchist:matrix.org: It's ok. It's good that you're self aware enough to realise.

<bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> I hope in return, you're self aware enough to understand that not everything needs to be litigated to the Nth degree. The phrasing is simple, and we have been discussing this for 3 days now.

<midipoet:matrix.org> @bawdyanarchist:matrix.org: Sure. But we've discussed it because people felt there was stuff to discuss, plus all the drama. 3 days isn't that long, imo.

<bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> Well sorry, like 5 days at this point now.

<midipoet:matrix.org> Plus, the vote was always Saturday. What were you gonna do in the meantime? Touch grass?

<bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> If only I didnt live in a desert. I do touch iron tho.

<tempetassum:matrix.org> Before the community votes for who leads MK7, we need to know who controls the digital assets. Right now, AJS/TE shut everyone out, correct? Pending tomorrow’s vote. We need to decide who is on the governance board, so to speak. Then we need to decide on who the organizer is.

<tempetassum:matrix.org> The second vote needs to happen quickly on who’s the organizer. Just because it was done well on a compressed timeframe doesn’t mean it is efficient to do so.

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Saturday is like tomorrow, dont leave much time to refill the popcorn

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @tempetassum:matrix.org: Ajs did it on his own. TE wasnt consulted

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> The governance board of TE is ajs, midipoet, anhdres

<tempetassum:matrix.org> Well that’s even worse lol

<bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> Which is why we believe that the emergency meeting that ajs called for tomorrow, should at a minimum, see restored access for all of the maintainers that he cut out. In addition to Orange

<bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> We also believe that in these actions, not consulting with TE, taking unnecessarily severe actions, even as he was attempting to do what he now complains about ... That ajs has proven himself an unreliable custodian of these assets.

there are recent matrix posts that shown on irc but not matrix

remind me again why people use matrix? :D

<jpk68:matrix.org> Because you can just open it on your phone

oh thre they are, just 1 hr late lolol

smfh

I have irc on my phone <3

<bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> images/media? Emojis? > <nioc> remind me again why people use matrix? :D

enjoy the view bawdy

<bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> I am stripped of my logix. Only emojis remain.

🥺

IRCv3 even has reactions and replies

<bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> Nice

<bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> Too bad we cant bridge them for votes.

On my phone too

<bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> Or can we?

We can

It is already supported if matrix users opt in for a puppet

<bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> Voting would be so much easier with a proposition under which people just thumbs up/down.

They need to register a libera account, I won't do it for them otherwise as that brings way too much risk otherwise specially with spam

👍 > <@bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> Voting would be so much easier with a proposition under which people just thumbs up/down.

irc.gammaspectra.live/75b09570725db90e/IMG_9363.jpeg

Libera didn't enable support for that yet but it's planned

Bridge is able to map them in different ways

It already transfers the "user is typing" events Matrix<->IRC both ways for puppets (so IRC->Matrix, and Matrix->IRC for opted in users)

thumbs_up

lol

The command otherwise can be called "post the vote in text" :)

if we’re serious about the nonexclusive part we need to mandate that monerokons are advertised MoneroKon + City_name + Year and not MoneroKon + Year

any objections to adding that to the agenda for tmrw?

<bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> Adding what exactly? I personally dont like such a mandate (altho in practice that's how it'll have to be handled). I think the simpler question is better.

<bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> Naming conventions can be adjustable, but suffice it to say, responsible de-confliction of multiple events will be expected.

<bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> So for example, if there's only one MK event in 2027, no need to complicate the naming.

if an event is already being advertised as MK 2027 that disincentivizes additional events being held

so in effect the first person who gets a MK approved gets the “official” name and everyone else has to settle for something else

<bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> This is true regardless of naming convention

how so? MoneroKon Warsaw 2027 doesn’t stop me from organizing MoneroKon Istanbul 2027, whereas a MoneroKon 2027 would

<bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> First, it's easy to make space. "Hey, we have another community approved event. Please pivot to your backup name, MK7_Warsaw."

<bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> But also, even if the first approved event doesnt pivot their name, there's still nothing preventing you from having MK7_Istanbul.

give it codenames :)

MoneroKon-Ultra 2027

<siren:kernal.eu> MK7 Pierogi

<bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> And also how do you propose to deconflict if there are two MKs in the same city?

<bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> See what I mean?

<bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> By your logic, it wouldn't be fair if the second MK applicant wants to host in the same city.

<bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> So now we need more mandates for that.

<bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> This kind of thing is why you need good faith of a competent custodian. Guidelines are reasonable, mandates are more difficult

yes, I assume that "we" wouldn't approve a competing MK in the same city if there is already an event being held there

mandates work. if I've already advertised my event as MoneroKon 2027 for half a year, good luck getting me to change the name

<siren:kernal.eu> MK7 Warsaw Blue and MK7 Warsaw Red, you're welcomd

East and West

ofc place both in the same venue

<siren:kernal.eu> Or Pierogi and Kielbasa

and at the same time

<jpk68:matrix.org> Super MoneroKon

<jpk68:matrix.org> MoneroKon 64

<jpk68:matrix.org> MoneroKon Double Dash

<jpk68:matrix.org> MoneroKon Wii

<bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> MK7 Warsaw Coolkids

<siren:kernal.eu> No no hear me out, MoneroKon and MoneroCon

<321bob321> Still going on about this

<321bob321> Monerokonjob

<siren:kernal.eu> Dankon

<bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> MoneroKon-v0.27.2_1

MoneroKon-v0.27.2_1 <== love it

<bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> Could we simply say that, applicants for digital access, get namespace on a first-come first-serve basis? For fairness there could be a 2-4 week delay so that contenders for the name space have an opportunity to compete for it?

<bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> Maybe even that is too complicated. "Everyone use a KodeName please."

MoneroKat

<321bob321> Just lease the name for 1 yr

<bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> Is it still haram to edit your comments here if you're on Matrix? Sorry for the pleb question.

<siren:kernal.eu> No it's haram to use irc

<siren:kernal.eu> Allah willing they will migrate away from that infidel protocol

it's fine, the problem is with those that constantly edit and often do so multiple times

edit function can make people lazy

are we KDE now? KMonero or Konero

> Is it still haram to edit your comments here if you're on Matrix?

I currently have a big todo to map small edits back to IRC :)

<siren:kernal.eu> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/kernal.eu/xbmHlLvVtHbbvLPIfgeviMpw.jpg (2421.jpg)

<dark.macau:matrix.org> MoneroKon_Vegas.7

<siren:kernal.eu> @dark.macau:matrix.org: Glory to CCP

<bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> DataHoarder: I will refain in that case. Sounds like edits are still an annoyance.

even on matrix or discord I still just do *typo

people might have already read the message and never read or notice the edit

<jpk68:matrix.org> @siren:kernal.eu: Kompletely kursed

<jpk68:matrix.org> reddit.com/r/kde/comments/1u8rj3v/plasma_67

<midipoet:matrix.org> I don't see how two MoneroKons in the same year would work on the websites. Especially if they are close in timing. > <geonic> yes, I assume that "we" wouldn't approve a competing MK in the same city if there is already an event being held there

<midipoet:matrix.org> There is also huge first mover advantage. If one MK goes in May, and the other plans for July, it's at a huge disadvantage. I understand that events distributed across regions might be advantageous at a high level, but there may even be disadvantages in terms of attracting high profile speakers for the "second in line" MK, given their busy schedules, and lack of desire to travel too much, etc

<tempetassum:matrix.org> @midipoet:matrix.org: I see MKUS, MKEU

<bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> @midipoet:matrix.org: You're right that timing, naming, location, etc, induce complexity wrt MK events. Probably too complex for us to resolve. Which is a great reason to reduce it down to 2 factors:

<bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> 1. The market. Who can pull off a successful and sustainable conference?

<bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> 2. Community sentiment. Let the community decide which orgs it wants to host.

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> mk7 doesnt mean mk'27 > <geonic> if we’re serious about the nonexclusive part we need to mandate that monerokons are advertised MoneroKon + City_name + Year and not MoneroKon + Year

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> it means the 7th mk

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> the one that is hosted after 7 would be 8

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> once we get to 10, idk. i cant count that hight w/0 taking my shoes off

what if I want to host one in December? MK7 is just internal nomenclature. I’m talking about how the conf is advertised

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> then it would be mk8

even if it takes place before mk7?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> not possible

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> it would be mk7

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> geonic cant count? :D

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> the next mk, is mk7. the one following that, is mk8

I meant december 26, not 27

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> i dont care about the year

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> if theere are no monerokons til 2029, then the next one is still mk7

or, let’s say I want to hold one in january 2027. can I call it MoneroKon 2027? and what does orangefren call his

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> orangefren call shis monerokon 8, if it is after your january one

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> and you should be calling your monerokon 7 (add city name if you feel like it)

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> so "MoneroKon 7 - Los Angeles"

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> preceded by "MoneroKon 4 - Prague" "MoneroKon 5 - Prague" "MoneroKon 6 - Warsaw"

years are much easier to keep track of then sequential numbers and would not be subject to change if someone wants to organize a Kon before one that is already scheduled

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> not really

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> "i went to monerokon 2027" "oh yeah? which one?"

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> whats with all of these "Dark" loiterers

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> do you guys talk?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> if not, dont talk at the meeting tomo

that’s why i suggested monerokon_year_city or mk_city_year

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> btw geonic, im talking about the strange new people who are creeping the chat

<321bob321> Voters

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> hardly

<321bob321> Wes inclusive

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> yea, every dark user gets to vote from the same account

<321bob321> The question is will nioc get the popcorn order before meeting

was delivered Wed night

i don’t see any of them on irc :)

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> they are on matrix

<dark.macau:matrix.org> Hi

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> hi

weighted voting

<321bob321> Agents of the state

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> do you have a social media account that i can verify that you are real?

<dark.macau:matrix.org> I don't have social media accounts

<321bob321> They have a PFP what else do you want

<dark.macau:matrix.org> PFP?

<dark.macau:matrix.org> @321bob321: Don't be fearful. You're being watched.

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> Don’t mind me, I’m here to be up to date.

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> Also, GM!

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @dark.macau:matrix.org: rip

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> so you just created this matrix for what reason?

<dark.macau:matrix.org> It's hard to access from chine

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> ah ic

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> ...

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> are you related to the other dark.something people

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @darkvegas:xmr.se:

oh xmr.se lol

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> right

<midipoet:matrix.org> nioc: Yeah, but not sure how that actually works in practice for something seemingly as contentious as this.

how many MKs one has been to :D

<midipoet:matrix.org> nioc: They need to evidence the swag to prove it.

<321bob321> Over 9000

<321bob321> Proof: What year did the chairs go.missing

<siren:kernal.eu> @321bob321: Lmao

<midipoet:matrix.org> @321bob321: I have the chairs sure.

<wvrld:matrix.org> @dark.macau:matrix.org: Bros risking three generations of his bloodline just to keep up with this drama. dodging the Great Firewall just to watch grown adults argue over a conference. so you are risking social credit score just to read this ? your vote should have absolutely the biggest weight, probably like veta vote 🤣

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @midipoet:matrix.org: easy. remove all of the people who dont vote the way i want

who was the first speaker for Lisbon 2022?

<midipoet:matrix.org> nioc: hyc

<midipoet:matrix.org> virtual

<midipoet:matrix.org> There was wind

wanted someone else to answer :)

<321bob321> Top secret

<bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> brb, writing a 67 page framework on how to weight > <nioc> weighted voting

<321bob321> Need to know

thx bawdy

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> thanks bawdy

<siren:kernal.eu> thank u bawdy

<321bob321> Watch on insta

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> we need to make sure that everybody reads it before the meeting. please have it done by midnight UTC

how do we vote on that framework?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> we'll vote on the framework before we vote on which questions to ask

<321bob321> Bambo

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> I’ll say:

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> Maid costume

<321bob321> Vote on what to put in frame work first

<dark.macau:matrix.org> @wvrld:matrix.org: I am skinny what do you mean?

<wvrld:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: and then we need to make sure that everybody is gonna vote correctly this time.

<dark.macau:matrix.org> I see sorry

<dark.macau:matrix.org> Misunderstandment

<bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> dark.macau could you livestream a roulette table? Red=OrangeFren, Black=ajs, green=Xi

lol

<midipoet:matrix.org> @slowbeardigger:matrix.org: That was MK3. Two maid costumes. It was definitely unexpected.

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> Yes!

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> Fav moments

<dark.macau:matrix.org> @midipoet:matrix.org: Sexy women in maid costumes at your workplace? Cool man 👍

<hbs:matrix.org> chairs were THOUGHT to be missing, that drama was unnecessary > <@321bob321> Proof: What year did the chairs go.missing

<wvrld:matrix.org> @dark.macau:matrix.org: it was 2 guys i think

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> One was this guy

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> His name is Luke

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> I believe

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> I am a at the service of the Monero community he said

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> Or something like that

<hbs:matrix.org> @wvrld:matrix.org: @jberman:matrix.org and @kayabanerve:matrix.org , servants of the Monero project

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> Nice

<midipoet:matrix.org> @hbs:matrix.org: Well, or evil maids

<bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> "Made man" or "maid man" ?

<hbs:matrix.org> @bawdyanarchist:matrix.org: decide for yourself youtu.be/vrCAiLPfXlg

<bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> Y not both?

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/lSdBWrBuxquMnYGvXrzCScFM.png (IMG_9872.png)

<dark.macau:matrix.org> Not nice I am not gay

<dark.macau:matrix.org> @bawdyanarchist:matrix.org: I own a crypto casino in Macau yes

<dark.macau:matrix.org> I will ask my partner

<wvrld:matrix.org> @dark.macau:matrix.org: so dark.vegas owns a casino in vegas then ?

<dark.macau:matrix.org> I saw dark.vegas and really like his name

<dark.macau:matrix.org> I don't know him

<dark.macau:matrix.org> Sorry for stealing dark.vegas

<dark.macau:matrix.org> So MK7 is a company? How to sponsor? I want to advertise.

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> link > <@dark.macau:matrix.org> I own a crypto casino in Macau yes

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @dark.macau:matrix.org: contact @orangefren:matrix.org (haha)

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> but as far as advertising, thats not usually included

<siren:kernal.eu> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Inb4 he says you can't access it out of China 🙄

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> you should sponsor siren

<siren:kernal.eu> I will try. I'm building a new company. You've probably heard the news.

<123bob123:matrix.org> DankonAI

<siren:kernal.eu> Only bawdy's dankon

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @siren:kernal.eu: i meant, dark should sponsor you

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> i saw your new twitter

<siren:kernal.eu> Oh ouch

<siren:kernal.eu> I think dark is a darkfi larper

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> they want to sponsor something though :D

<siren:kernal.eu> He looks like a doll

<bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Sure they do.

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> 6k for some badges?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> fair deal?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> email hardware⊙go for more info