<jeffro256> Personal CCS Update here: repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…als/-/merge_requests/688#note_37439

<321bob321> Busy bee

We are lucky

nahuhh opened issue #1460: Monero Community Workgroup Meeting: Sat, 2026-09-20 16:00 UTC

> monero-project/meta #1460

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> xmr-pr: 2026-09-19**

<pyxmr2025:mozilla.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Please take my proposal off the items. Certain technical issues may render this proposal unworkable. Thanks.

<thomasbuilds:matrix.org> repo.getmonero.org down/slow again for me

<thomasbuilds:matrix.org> > A timeout occurred Error code 524

<pyxmr2025:mozilla.org> > A timeout occurred Error code 524

[CCS Proposals] Jackie PyXMR closed merge request #698: Jackie - Upgrade HTTP Digest from RFC2617 to RFC7616 repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/698

<thomasbuilds:matrix.org> now works

<ofrnxmr> for* now

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> Gm gm

<ofrnxmr> Community meeting here in 7 mins 🙃

Meeting time: monero-project/meta #1460

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> Hello!

hi

<panagot1:matrix.org> Hello, glad to be here

Good morning all. Welcome back

<sgp_> Hello

While we wait for people to arrive, lets get into 3. Community highlights

this week in monero is a low effort ai generated news letter that is majority (prev issue 100% bar the 1 link for its for profit venture) links to monero.observer cyphergoat.com/this-week-in-monero/issue-39 , just putting that out there

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> the monerotierlist.com its lots of fun and hype

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> people be just sharing their tierlist all the time

<sgp_> Skylight Wallet public beta with a full redesign and refactor is under Google/Apple review. You can grab the latest APK from the GitHub builds if you don’t want to wait. It now supports node connections as well. Spice Wallet is multi-coin, intended to be the best app for Serai, and it has been approved by Google but is waiting on Apple. We’ll release that when approved by both

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> #skylight-wallet:monero.social room on matrix

<lordx3nu:matrix.org> monerovis.com

<lordx3nu:matrix.org> Cool new interactive block explorer

<sgp_> I went ahead and implemented OpenAlias v2 support to both, since I want to see that adoption happen

what are the node connections for in skylight wallet? (monero-lws related?)

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> @lordx3nu:matrix.org: This is beautiful

<sgp_> You can now connect to either an LWS or a node (for local scanning). There are no defaults for these, you need to type your own

ah ok nice

seems like a public monero-lws list is in the works for monero.fail lalanza808/monero.fail #43

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> monero.observer/https://cyphergoat.com/this-week-in-monero

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Selsta, Jeffro, and acx fully funded, a few more to go ccs.getmonero.org/funding-required

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> still some troubles with repo.getmonero.org (and ccs. doesnt want to load for me atm)

<panagot1:matrix.org> I've encountered this issue (trouble loading) a few times

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> ok, if no more highlight atm, lets get into 4. CCS Proposals

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> a. Dennis Trautwein - ProbeLab P2P Network Metrics Proposal repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/667

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> Did they agree to open source everything?

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> can’t remember what we talked about this one the last meeting

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> i havent commented further on the proposal since we last discussed this 4 weeks ago. @sgp, has mrl been discussing related mitigations and research into spy nodes?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @slowbeardigger:matrix.org: mostly that we need concrete solutions to a long-known issue, not just more tools to map the transactions.

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> and no updates since then

<sgp_> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: A recent research paper has been the primary discussion, iirc

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> hmm

<sgp_> @sgp_: This one arxiv.org/abs/2609.10260

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> thanks sgp

<sgp_> It was discussed in more detail during the Wednesday MRL meeting

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: With that said, we don’t need more tools to map transactions i agree with that

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> thanks sgp, i'll leave a comment on the proposal

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> b. slowbeardigger - gather consensus on repurpose of monero-integrations ccs

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> original proposal: repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/125

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> recanmans dormant takeover: repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/402

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> Hola :)

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> tl;dr - recanman took over the monero-integrations proposal a couple years ago, and after some work has appeared to have abandoned the proposal

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> yep I believe plowsof posted somewhere we should reach recanman and ping him

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> slowbear has had a few prs merged on the repo, the i believe serhack is ok with slowbear taking over the proposal. recanman has been pinged a couple times as recently as today for a status check / update / ack on handing over to slowbear.

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> plowsof noted that his github is active, but we havent seen him on matrix in quite a few months

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> yup

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> been working on monerowp monero-integrations/monerowp #132 and other integrations

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> I have a bit of experience with the monero-integrations

my initial though is to ACK the takeover if recanman doesnt NACK it within the next 7 days

as ct mentions in a comment "If the proposer disappears, no problem, someone else can pick up from their last milestone." - slowbeardigger already has merged commits from serhack and completed a related bounty. the tricky thing is recanman did provide some updates / completed some work. so would be good to hear from recanman. they are very active

on their GH account, ive also left an issue on a repo that allowed it recanman/monero-denominations-converter #1

i think that is fair (7 days to respond)

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> ofrnxmr: Sounds good to me

anyone objections? affirmations?

Any*

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> So the plan will be: If no response by saturday sept 26, plowsof or slowbeardigger will open a merge request on the ccs gitlab to take over the proposal. then 7 days later, oct 3rd, we will vote to merge it. Sound good?

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> Again, sounds good to me

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> for our next one, this has been discussed a few tiems in his absence but panagot is with us here today

c. panagot12 Monero LWS Observatory — Public LWS Health repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/686

the last time a proposal was repurposed from under a proposer who had not replied in a long time, they returned to claim completed milestone funds, they returned and where not happy

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> which proposal was that?

anon

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> plowsof: yep

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> oh ha.

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> but that proposal was completed

monero.fail will add a monero-lws public list there soon(tm) lalanza808/monero.fail #43

yes recanman has made several PR's

<stnby:kernal.eu> Recenman has been gone for like almost a year. He won't ACK. > <ofrnxmr> my initial though is to ACK the takeover if recanman doesnt NACK it within the next 7 days

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> so what would you suggest?

stnby he's on github contributing daily heh

<stnby:kernal.eu> Move on. I couldn't reach him for a very long time. Seems like he is trying to distance himself from XMR. Still shows as online sometimes. Funny he doesn't respond considering his acc is on my Matrix instance.

:(

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @stnby:kernal.eu: hey, if he doesnt NACK, i'd personally consider that as "his response"

<stnby:kernal.eu> plowsof: Oh rlly?

he was given 5 months to show reasonable progress (completing it would be expected) and its been years. activity graph github.com/recanman?tab=overview&from=2026-09-01&to=2026-09-09

he never went anywhere

its us, not him? :(

<stnby:kernal.eu> plowsof: Doesn't look very active

github.com/stnby

yes not everything is on github, but he's alive and well and not feeding mother monero with his time !

<stnby:kernal.eu> plowsof: What about it?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> plowsof, ack on 7 days to open official takeover MR, then we vote in 2 weeks?

just a compare of the activity graph is all

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> or do you want more time

i personally would fire him

<stnby:kernal.eu> plowsof: I mean my GH is not very active either but still you can see my last merge was on erlang/otp like a week or 2 ago. Nowadays we all use self hosted Forgejo instances.

waiting 7 days is ok, but some work has been done there, i just want him to respond pls respond

Stnby nice, this is the way

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> if he doesnt respong in 7, he still has 2 weeks to NACK the MR

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> yeah, he said he got the monerophp thing 99% done

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> plowsof: don't tell j p k

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> xD

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> ok, back to c

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> c. panagot12 Monero LWS Observatory — Public LWS Health repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/686

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @panagot1:matrix.org: apologies for the delay, and thank you for attending

OR slowbeardigger makes a MR with what work he thinks needs to be done - picking up the pieces and completing . while recanman proposal remains open. vote on SBD proposal - if it goes to funding consider funding from recanman

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> prior meetings havent been in favor of your proposal, i think due to a combination of there not being many lws servers to track, and that ditatompel and monero.fail may be better places to contribute to.

<panagot1:matrix.org> no worries, enjoying the interaction and they way of thinking regarding various members and how they interact / reasoning

for the next alt account and proposal?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> plowsof: fair. slowbear can consider these options before the next meeting

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> Will do :)

i say alt, but you are already doing paid work for firo in some capacity?

<panagot1:matrix.org> Are there any questions regarding my proposal?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> plowsof: is this question for panagot?

yes

so not a totally random alt at least

<panagot1:matrix.org> Yes, proposal regarding monero about 3 months ago, just kept hanging

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @panagot1:matrix.org: initially the hangs were a lot about how the repo was always inaccessible when it came time to discuss, which makes it ineligible

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: yeah this was going on for a while

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @panagot1:matrix.org: my thoughts on the proposal are that its too soon, and likely not worth it at this time

we're always hesitant with hallucinated texts and new alts

<panagot1:matrix.org> well respected. no worries at all,

<panagot1:matrix.org> You know where to find me on X. As soon as I saw your message, I joined the group chat

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> using public lws servers isnt really recommended at this point, and lws is in fast development, so provider A's lws might not be running the same version as provider B. also, changing servers isnt handled gracefully

<panagot1:matrix.org> regarding new users, of course, you need to be careful, You never know who's on the other side of the computer

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> its best for people to run their own lws server, at least until lws and their wallets have matured a bit.

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> not simply for the privacy aspect, but also because the servers need to be maintained, have constant uptime, etc. a server going down means that the user needs to share their view key with another person

<panagot1:matrix.org> Idea came from monero stack exchange and I think i saw the request from 2 other places regarding this

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> yes, of course users want such a thing, but users dont always know what they want. and im sure they dont want to wait hours everytime they switch server

<panagot1:matrix.org> from user mahnunchik

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> if nothing else, i would suggest looking into monero.fail's change to add lws servers, and also ditatompel. and to revisit the idea once the lws landscape has matured a bit

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> i think skylight might be the only lws capable wallet at the moment (aside from plowsof's anonero fork)

maybe ravfx would consider monero-lws support for micronero

<panagot1:matrix.org> I can ping them, with the work, if they like it.

<panagot1:matrix.org> So regarding this, as I understand it won't be merged.

<panagot1:matrix.org> If I have another proposal, I will submit it in the future.

<ravfx:xmr.mx> plowsof: I was thinking about it actually

or make syncing so damn fast nobody needs monero-lws , or wait for the carrot keys which provide increased privacy for services that scan for you

e. r4v3r23 - ANONERO Continued development repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/671

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> has been any update or PRs for anonero since the last meeting?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> r4v3r sent a message a few days ago along the lines of that without funding anonero will go into maintenance mode

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> let me see if i can find

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> ty

ctrl+f power trip

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> xd

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> libera.monerologs.net/monero-community/20260918#c708540

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> is this the right repo? git.anonero5wmhraxqsvzq2ncgptq6gq45…ANONERO/ANONERO/commits/branch/main

i suggest kuno for immediate funding rather than dealing with plowsofs power trip (which i disagree with entirely)

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @slowbeardigger:matrix.org: yes

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> ty

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> I agree with Kuno

invest in a build server and the community (see monfluo)

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> “fact is without continued support the project is over”

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> To me this indicates that work won’t be done until funds appear

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> And if i may ask

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> in situations like this

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> anonero in the last several meetings hasnt been merged[... more lines follow, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/k5epoawLUjQxenlQ ]

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> commits still croming from the org accont and not eh dev.

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> usually, it would have been closed within 4 weeks

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> I raised some points on their ccs proposal, all got was “let community decide with their wallet”

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> it hasnt, because ANONERO was a pioneer of URQR air gapped scanning, and has helped with a few different things such as getting background sync tested

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> yeah

grass roots project does not mean amateur

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> So what are we gonna do about it?

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> start a kuno and close the ccs?

monero submodule when? build server, a project lead that knows their deps are 3.5 years out of date etc etc

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> the asks werent much, and plowsof shared a few times the work they they could have pulled from - didnt have to review it, but could have easily gotten started with the milestones to show progress

<jpk68:matrix.org> Good morning > <@ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> don't tell j p k

🏃

<jpk68:matrix.org> I forgot about this meeting, sorry, lol

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: a little proactive work never hurts

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> saying the project is dead without funding is also not a good look

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> Again, if they need immediate funding, the Kuno is a great solution and i am sure community will “vote with their wallets”

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> And doesn’t seem that there is intention of addressing some points, such as the mistery devs

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> and just drives home my main point of concern

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> again, its fine if they want to remain anon, perfect, a fucking username for anonero its fine

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> they won’t do it

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> If they had the will to address at least that, would had a different path to funding

Times up, thanks everyone for attending. sorry for the long meeting on a short agenda.

we meet again October 3, 2026, 1600 UTC

Feel free to continue discussing

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> @slowbeardigger:matrix.org: My vote would be

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> let em open a kuno if they need the money ASAP

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> and closing the proposal (there is not will do address anything imho)

<pyxmr2025:mozilla.org> meeting has done?

thanks ofrnxmr for chairing and everyone who attended

any other business Jackie?

<pyxmr2025:mozilla.org> no.thanks

<frstrtr:matrix.org> Hi all!!! Can someone help me to approve my new gitlab account (i am mainly a github user) to submit an idea?

hi whats the account name?

<frstrtr:matrix.org> plowsof: can i send it to PM?

can someone please

<frstrtr:matrix.org> im afraid of spammers if i post my email here directly

just the username 😅

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> username

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> xd

<frstrtr:matrix.org> plowsof: but i registered with full email addess - and the username is the same

<pyxmr2025:mozilla.org> you can try to use "alec"

<pyxmr2025:mozilla.org> for username

<pyxmr2025:mozilla.org> or alec2026

<pyxmr2025:mozilla.org> The email cannot be the same as the username.

<frstrtr:matrix.org> wait - let me check

<pyxmr2025:mozilla.org> @frstrtr:matrix.org: Special characters are not allowed.

ok register another account - the username will be public

<frstrtr:matrix.org> plowsof: kk trying, holdon please

you can PM me (plowsof:matrix.org) the account and it will be deleted . i will message you now

<frstrtr:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/WHoPnsSUYymFTvgpXwgNiWSS.png (image.png)

<frstrtr:matrix.org> it seems died completely

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> Try again a bit later

<jpk68:matrix.org> There should be info on the "how to CCS" page that explicitly says something like "no blatant slop submissions"

<jpk68:matrix.org> That should deter most agents

blatant slop is fine, saves time

<jpk68:matrix.org> Or, rather, "proposals made by autonomous agents will be rejected, so don't waste your time"

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @jpk68:matrix.org: then theyll jsut stop idenifying as such

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> dead internet theory

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> its only recently that bots have been telling on tghemselves

<jpk68:matrix.org> It's going to suck for real people, who weren't able to "get in" before you could (easily) tell whether someone is real online

<jpk68:matrix.org> Especially in a community based on credibility and such

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> So fat is easy to spot em

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> "that mother fucker is not real!"

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> I am not real

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> ..dont know the meme?

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> No

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> What

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> youtube.com/shorts/4HTTp9La-ao

<plowsof:matrix.org> if making a proposal actually worked we wouldnt see people cropping screenshots of an offline page

<r4v3r23> we dont need it ASAP, and will start work once funding begins. and ive addressed the conerns, in multiple meetings, until it became a clear clown show > <@slowbeardigger:matrix.org> My vote would be

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> * that attitude

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> Bruh

<r4v3r23> bruh

<r4v3r23> this has gone on for months with clear ill intent from mr cooridinator

<syntheticbird> @r4v3r23: first time ?

<syntheticbird> (months part)

<r4v3r23> im not jumping thorugh hoops, ive addressed the main conerns, merge it or not, its fine

<r4v3r23> either anonero continues with our development plan, in which case we need funds, or were basically closing up shop

<r4v3r23> will patch some lingering concerns and try to finish reproducibility and then go to maintennce

<r4v3r23> you all wanted longer support commitment, i added it in writing, but now the anon dev isnt good neough

<r4v3r23> even tho the vast majority of work on anonero, incuding the total rewite in the first CCS, was done by anon dev

<r4v3r23> your conern is what, the user that the commits get pushed under?

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> @r4v3r23: that support commitment will stay even the next period? or if by some reason there are another priorities to get funded

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> not saying

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> full time or something crazy

<r4v3r23> support was always a given - ive said that before - but the confusion was some people thought hte dev work period was the end of it. so i added it in the proposal itself after some people raised that concern,

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> just think of a escenario where anonero can’t get funding coz there are other prios going.

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> Anonero just dies?

<syntheticbird> @slowbeardigger:matrix.org: if it dies, it dies

<r4v3r23> theres no "prios", the proposal stays open and people who want to donate will

<r4v3r23> our last CCS got funded 90% by a single person

<r4v3r23> the users get to decide if and when its funded, not plowsof

<r4v3r23> let is sit unfunded untill "priorities" shift

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> same than being dead, if there’s no fast funding, work won’t be done, and anonero will stay outdated a long time. > <@r4v3r23> theres no "prios", the proposal stays open and people who want to donate will

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> ok

<r4v3r23> wrong, weve been upt to date this entire time of the CCS saga

<r4v3r23> you have our repo link and check for yourself

<syntheticbird> @slowbeardigger:matrix.org: so to ensure anonero don't die let's not fund it without guarantee that it won't die. if anything that shows how much people love anonero

<r4v3r23> were on the latest major version, and have been working on deps

<syntheticbird> true love, irrational

<plowsof:matrix.org> the out dated deps that your anon devs didnt care about and you personally have no understanding of the build process or spotted them yourself

<r4v3r23> get over it. we fixed it once it was brought up

<plowsof:matrix.org> pull requests.. sub modules ...

<syntheticbird> 🍿

<syntheticbird> entertain me please

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> regarding the devs, a random user name that you say

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> this random username will be pushing code

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> simple as that.

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> just sayin

<plowsof:matrix.org> and you refuted my claim with a lie saying anyone who bult from source would get them

<r4v3r23> @slowbeardigger:matrix.org: i said i can do that if it realy matters, in one of the first meeting

<r4v3r23> i didnt think pushing it ourselves was an issue, since we own the code

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> @r4v3r23: ookay, I think its a good idea to do it.

<r4v3r23> and i think its a good idea to let us get funding

<syntheticbird> @plowsof:matrix.org: >Plowsof used triple facts.

<syntheticbird> > It's very effective

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> @slowbeardigger:matrix.org: this was one of the concerns, right?

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> you have seen that it is an issue for some time

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> That done, one issue less

<r4v3r23> it was literally addressed in one of the first meetings

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> i checked the repo a while ago

<r4v3r23> @slowbeardigger:matrix.org > <@r4v3r23> if its a deal breaker, than dev can just push commits...

<plowsof:matrix.org> your donation address is public and you have sadly not been able to afford a build server

<plowsof:matrix.org> where are these wallets voting

<r4v3r23> @slowbeardigger:matrix.org: is there anything else?

<r4v3r23> close the CCS system then, everyoen can jsut use donations

<r4v3r23> very professional "coordinator"

<plowsof:matrix.org> you are not a developer or project lead

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> Publishing only under ANONERO name

<r4v3r23> but you totally are

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> sure could be the dev

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> well

<r4v3r23> anyway, plowsofs games are obvious

<r4v3r23> @slowbeardigger:matrix.org if you have any more legit concerns ill be happy to address (as ive always have) but its obvious whats going on here

<syntheticbird> i have a concern

<syntheticbird> wanna play chess ?

<r4v3r23> sure

<r4v3r23> lichess

<syntheticbird> lets go hold on

<syntheticbird> lichess.org/pWJldIhI

<syntheticbird> is the link broken ?

<plowsof:matrix.org> neither a developer, nor project lead, testing of the app you can do but - amateur level - no regtest 'whats that?' or maestro tests. happily wasting time without brain cells wondering if theres a better way. you could glance at what monfluo are doing (the same fork of monerujo, with alot of features added into monerujo but nope, close minded, blocked off from the world on your tor repo)

<plowsof:matrix.org> public relations?

<plowsof:matrix.org> find an anonero dev to give you a character reference

<syntheticbird> excellent game

<syntheticbird> i really liked the part where you annihilated me

<r4v3r23> lmao

<syntheticbird> @plowsof:matrix.org: ok without the chess game this would have hit hard ngl

<plowsof:matrix.org> but a 200 iq chess player, let me rethink what im saying now

<321bob321> does renovate bot work with andriod stuff?

<r4v3r23> yes i am, and im fucking good at it > <@plowsof:matrix.org> you are not a developer or project lead

<r4v3r23> depsite all the challenges of small project, weve always delivered

<r4v3r23> @slowbeardigger:matrix.org im gonna take that as a no, so please feel free to remove your downvote > <@r4v3r23> @slowbeardigger:matrix.org if you have any more legit concerns ill be happy to address (as ive always have) but its obvious whats going on here

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> there’s one more left

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> “we own the code”

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> Should that be taken literally ?

<r4v3r23> meaing we have the rights to them, part of the agreement

<plowsof:matrix.org> like when mrcyjan makes a PR they have the right to ignore and not merge

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> hmm

<r4v3r23> but the code itself is GPLv3, has been from the start

<r4v3r23> so anyone can use it as they see fit basicall

<plowsof:matrix.org> forks monerujo and owns the code

<plowsof:matrix.org> hehe

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> Im not a licensing expert

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> But isn’t GPL V3 considered a bit restrictive?

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> genuine question

<r4v3r23> its totally noral practice

<r4v3r23> @slowbeardigger:matrix.org: no not at all

<jpk68:matrix.org> I mean, besides AGPL, it's pretty much the most restrictive open-source license there is

<jpk68:matrix.org> But I agree that it would still be considered "normal"

<r4v3r23> stack wallet uses it

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> oki

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> yeah

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> thanks

<r4v3r23> its never been an issue

<plowsof:matrix.org> monfluo uses it too

<plowsof:matrix.org> im wondering what are the steps to fork a project with license A and change to license B

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> yeah yeah, was just wondering.

<plowsof:matrix.org> could i fork anonero and change the license to something else

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> Text is tricky

<plowsof:matrix.org> monerujo is apache-2 for example github.com/m2049r/xmrwallet

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> @slowbeardigger:matrix.org: :”All work must be licensed permissively”

<jpk68:matrix.org> @plowsof:matrix.org: Only if everyone who wrote the code agrees to that

<plowsof:matrix.org> they must have consent then

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> @jpk68:matrix.org: they push code only under ANONERO

<r4v3r23> @slowbeardigger:matrix.org: gplv3 says if you redistribute the code, you gotta keep it open source basically

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> yeah

<r4v3r23> otherwise privately you can do whatever you want

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> That’s why i am saying the text is tricky

<plowsof:matrix.org> can i change anonero to apache 2 license raver?

<plowsof:matrix.org> :P

<r4v3r23> its valid and i dont see any restrictions on it

<r4v3r23> otherwise we wouldnt have used it

<r4v3r23> and yes the dev obviosuly agreed to it, which is why theres more than 1 commit there

<jpk68:matrix.org> What do you mean, "it's valid"? Are there some licenses that are banned?

<r4v3r23> valid in terms of keeping it FOSS

<r4v3r23> and "approved by the Open Source Initiative (OSI) as an open-source license"

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> @slowbeardigger:matrix.org: Fuck, now my autism is bothering me

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permissive_software_license

<jpk68:matrix.org> GPL is not a permissive license

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> comparison table.

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> so in the CCS, under what definition we have “permissive licensing”

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> yea, by definition, had to jump on duckduckgo

<r4v3r23> what restrictions are on the code?

<plowsof:matrix.org> licensing is no issue

<r4v3r23> ANONERO has always been GPLv3, and this wasnt an issue on our first CCS

<r4v3r23> nothing about that license choice is meant to restrict the user

<plowsof:matrix.org> although the monerujo apache-2 -> fork -> change license is kinda blurry but not my concern

<jpk68:matrix.org> I don't know if using the GPL is a licensing issue (and don't care either way for this situation), however the GPL is restrictive in the fact that it restricts you from redistributing the code. It could be argued that someone forking is still "using" the code

<jpk68:matrix.org> I guess the GPL is fine, if you're okay with having the government using force to punish people using your code incorrectly

<plowsof:matrix.org> fork cuprate -> ??? -> change license

<r4v3r23> "Yes. GPLv3 is a free and open-source license — it satisfies all four Free Software Foundation freedoms (use, study, modify, redistribute) and meets the Open Source Definition by the Open Source Initiative. Any software released under GPLv3 is, by definition, FOSS."

<r4v3r23> sounds good to me

<r4v3r23> @jpk68:matrix.org: has nothing to do with that, but ok

<r4v3r23> guess the license is the issue now....

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> nope

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> i don’t perosnally care

<r4v3r23> youre right, its a nonissue

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> lack of clarity bothers me, anonero got merged then funded before.

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> won’t complain about that

<r4v3r23> literally just conern trolling

<r4v3r23> @slowbeardigger:matrix.org: not to mention all the work that led upto that

<jpk68:matrix.org> As I said, I am not commenting on the CCS, just talking about licenses

<jpk68:matrix.org> Would be interesting to hear your argument against this > <@r4v3r23> has nothing to do with that, but ok

<r4v3r23> @jpk68:matrix.org: the thought never even crossed my mind

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> @jpk68:matrix.org: Can we add the definition of permissive for the ccs rules? won’t hurt

<plowsof:matrix.org> if i recall anonero added a license file recently

<jpk68:matrix.org> @slowbeardigger:matrix.org: Yes, I think all codebases using copyleft licenses should be destroyed (half-joking)

<r4v3r23> @slowbeardigger:matrix.org: anything else?

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> @jpk68:matrix.org: just fucking MIT the thing

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> @slowbeardigger:matrix.org: also, those are called RULES

<jpk68:matrix.org> Or even better, CC-0 or Unlicense

<r4v3r23> unlicense was the original idea

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> @slowbeardigger:matrix.org: GPL V3 is not permissive by definition.

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> (not against anonero, it got merged previously)

<jpk68:matrix.org> Did you spin around twice while wearing a blindfold, and then pull the license of choice out of a hat?

<jpk68:matrix.org> How do you go from Unlicense to GPL?

<r4v3r23> @slowbeardigger:matrix.org: it is FOSS tho, that was my main requirement

<plowsof:matrix.org> and which parts of the project carry the original apache-2 license from monerujo? or is it a 100% rewrite?

<r4v3r23> the license has never been an issue

<r4v3r23> literally no one has ever brought it up

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> @r4v3r23: yep yep

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> rules should define things better

<plowsof:matrix.org> yes gpl is fine, merge the proposal, we're talking about licenses

<jpk68:matrix.org> In defense of @r4v3r23:monero.social, I think it's unfair to bring ANONERO under licensing scrutiny when other forks have not been subject to that

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> anonero is not

<plowsof:matrix.org> gpl is fine on tha ccs

<r4v3r23> have i cleared things up for you? or are you still against our proposal

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> @plowsof:matrix.org: yeah, i was just saying that i think the rules should be a bit more clear

<r4v3r23> @jpk68:matrix.org: now apply that to these 5 months of goal post moving

<r4v3r23> @r4v3r23: @slowbeardigger:matrix.org

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> Let’s wait for the next meeting

<r4v3r23> thatll almost be the 6 month mark

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> I think we are at the stage that is enough and next time we can just vote and done

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> @r4v3r23: yeah we been draggin’ the thing

<r4v3r23> theres been clear support from the start

<r4v3r23> thats why plowsof launched his fork to try to make sure we wont get funded

<r4v3r23> even Vik came out in support

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> Can we vote next meeting? and whatever the result is, that’s it?

<plowsof:matrix.org> reporting issues with your wallet and being ignored?

<r4v3r23> there wre always more in favor than against

<r4v3r23> it should have been merged months ago

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> in this room?

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> coz since i got here, consensus been done here

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> there are the chat logs and stuff

<r4v3r23> go read back in meeting, multiple +1s and support statements

<r4v3r23> plowsofs the one holding all this up

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> Nope, we been draggin the thing

<r4v3r23> even @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx has said on multiple occasions he in favor but for some reason is ghosting me despite addressign all his conerns

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> there’s no a person to blame

<r4v3r23> there is

<r4v3r23> still more upvotes than down on the propsal despite the trolls

<r4v3r23> and if ive really answered all you questions, then another downvote should drop from there

<r4v3r23> jk68 was in favor until downvoting for some reason

<r4v3r23> like i said, clear support

<jpk68:matrix.org> Sorry, when did I downvote?

<jpk68:matrix.org> I don't think that ever happened

<r4v3r23> @jpk68:matrix.org: sorry, removed upvote

<r4v3r23> you pulled support is what i meant

<jpk68:matrix.org> FWIW, I think the rate is too high

<r4v3r23> ok

<r4v3r23> you dont have to donate

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> fml

<r4v3r23> there are plently who will once it goes through ccs

<r4v3r23> @slowbeardigger:matrix.org: its standard going rate for a kotlin dev these days

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> not complaining about the price

<r4v3r23> right, its also a nonissue

check this out bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5592720.msg67159639#msg67159639 i just found it interesting, theres something here