selsta: hey man long time no talk. Is there any big update planned for the monero GUI

hi, we will add macOS ARM binaries with the next release

otherwise no

selsta: Nice, so the GUI will now be natively working on M1 without needing to do anything ?

yep

That's amazing

i had to add a workaround so that daemon performance won't be as good as it could be

Is there massive improvements in speed? im currently using the intel version on macos

s/macos/m1/

i didn't do any benchmarks

selsta: alright. Btw wanted to ask you this for a while. So say I received 10 xmr from Exchange A, send those 10 xmr to another account on the GUI, and send it back to Exchange A under the new account. Is that enough to prevent the EAE attack?

Or do I need to send it to myself many more times?

I'm not the best to ask these specific questions

selsta: but in your opinion what do you think?

as far as i know sending to yourself once is not enough in this specific scenario

but you should ask someone who is more familiar with the attack

selsta: would sending it to myself 5 times be enough ? (across different accounts) in your opinion

selsta: i know, but i trust your judgment as well :P

and there is no binary enough / not enough, it's all about probabilities and who you are trying to protect yourself from

selsta: protect myself from chain analysis

selsta: can you instead give me how many times i should send it to myself to "reasonably" protect myself from chain analysis ? i trust your judgment

if you send to yourself 5 different times and wait a random amount of time in between each time sending (don't send yourself 5 times in 2 hour, wait for example 12h to one day between each) then yes you should be protected against this attack based on this comment monero-project/monero #1673#issuecomment-312968452

selsta: thanks 💯 !!!

Does it matter if I send it to different accounts, or can I keep sending it to the same account ? selsta

it depends, do you send your whole balance?

churning each output separately is the most private way but the GUI currently doesn't support this

selsta: Yes, or just the amount that I want to mix

Well im using the GUI, so usually i'll just send a bit of the amount I want to mix or the whole balance

I would send it to a different account the first time and then you can just churn inside that other account

but keep in mind i might be giving you bad advice lol

selsta: ok, so Account 1 (that received from exchange) sends funds to account 2, 3, 4, 5, and then back to account 2 (taking 12 hours to do so), and then i should be good?

> <@selsta:libera.chat> I would send it to a different account the first time and then you can just churn inside that other account

* ok, so Account 1 (that received from exchange) sends whole balance to account 2, 3, 4, 5, and then back to account 2 (taking 12 hours to do so), and then i should be good?

* ok, so Account 1 (that received from exchange) sends whole balance (or like 2 xmr for instance) to account 2 then send to 3, 4, 5, and then back to account 2 (taking 12 hours to do so), and then i should be good?

* ok, so Account 1 (that received from exchange) sends whole balance (or like 2 xmr for instance) to account 2 then send to account 3, 4 and 5, and then back to account 2 (taking 12 hours to do so), and then i should be good?

* ok, so Account 1 (that received from exchange) sends 3 xmr to Account #2 then send the 3 xmr to account 3, 4 and 5, and then back to account 2 (taking 12 hours to do so), and then i should be good?

* ok, so Account 1 (that received funds from exchange) sends 3 xmr to Account #2 then send the 3 xmr to account 3, 4 and 5, and then back to account 2 (taking 12 hours to do so), and then i should be good?

* ok, so Account 1 (that received funds from exchange) sends 3 xmr to Account #2. Then, send the 3 XMR to account 3, 4 and 5, and then back to account 2 (taking 12 hours to do so), and then i should be good?

once you have it from account #1 in account #2 you can just send it to yourself in account #2 without needing 3, 4, 5

selsta: Oh really

so i could just keep sending it to account #2 over and over again ?

Thats a lot easier

* it to myself on account #2