lol

no, as a PC owner, if anyone else is using my CPU cycles / resources without my knowledge or express permission, that's a problem.

same goes for smartphones and my network bandwidth. that's why I install firewalls on my android phone and block all ad sites, etc.

they've got no right to use my mobile data behind my back

hyc: Yup, but protecting your property is your duty, not Monero's

yes... but if my property is inherently indefensible, like a Windows install, that's not my fault. that's the vendor's fault.

<hyc> "no, as a PC owner, if anyone..." <- Yah using someone else users resources to mine monero is bad, but I guess we can’t do much in current state of randomx and it helps monero hashrate

s/users//

just to sum up: yes, using other people's resources is bad. but allowing that to be possible is not our fault, it is the PC and OS suppliers' fault.

as RandomX devs, we've acted responsibly. not only is RandomX itself fully documented in the open, but tevador has already provided randomX detection code that antivirus guys can leverage

we've done what we can to make RandomX as obvious as possible. nobody can run it on someone else's machine without being noticed, one way or another

any more than that isn't our responsibility. vendors have to build more secure OSs.

... tho the possibility occurs to me, now that some AV guys are adding cryptominers to their software -

we should have added a virus detector to xmrig :P

Well said hyc "vendors have to build more secure OSs.", I do agree with you.

Botnets are not my issue, them controlling majority of the hashrate is

The problem is not RandomX, the problem is that people underestimate the real security of OS

nikg83[m]: you don't actually know if they do

hyc: No, there are hundreds of thousand to a million of pcs mining monero in someone’s based or some datacenter

s/based/basement/