<l​eonarth_:matrix.org> why, I love the fact that it's all pure Go

I have been tracking an issue on mine on specific cpus missing some AVX2 extensions

or run it in purego mode

otherwise it does JIT compilation!

-tags purego

<l​eonarth_:matrix.org> Dero tried to run a privacy evm chain in pure Go

guess who didn't accomplish it, dero people

they are the ones that did the groundwork for the go one

rewrote quite much of it, but at least kept their program generators

<l​eonarth_:matrix.org> you know the events that led them to abandon the project?

<l​eonarth_:matrix.org> CFROUND instruction, chip manufacturer (Intel, AMD, ARM, etc.) can alter or remove their implementation, resulting in unexpected behavior that could lead to forcing invalid proofs on the chain

<l​eonarth_:matrix.org> they noted this randomx security issue while making the Go implementation, though does the C++ impl have the same flaw?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Bro just keeps ignoring datahoarder

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> go to [#p2pool-log:matrix.org](https://matrix.to/#/%23p2pool-log:matrix.org)

do move to #p2pool-log the observer channel for more, as said

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I think i linked wrong room

or if it's about randomx design #monero-pow as I have less say for that

oh yeah that is the wrong room

see git.gammaspectra.live/P2Pool/observ…r#maintainer-run-observer-instances

there you have irc or matrix links

<l​eonarth_:matrix.org> moved

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> [#p2pool-log:monero.social](https://matrix.to/#/%23p2pool-log:monero.social)

<l​eonarth_:matrix.org> yup, was in wrong room

<l​eonarth_:matrix.org> thanks ofrn

<b​arthman132:matrix.org> Kraken has suspended monero deposits. Do you think that could have prevented many people just selling off their monero?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> [@barthman132:matrix.org](https://matrix.to/#/@barthman132:matrix.org) I don't care, take non-research discussion elsewhere.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> [@barthman132:matrix.org](https://matrix.to/#/@barthman132:matrix.org) -> [#monero-markets:monero.social](https://matrix.to/#/%23monero-markets:monero.social)

<b​arthman132:matrix.org> Thanks

they are no longer selfish mining according to the delay I see from pools to monerod

<d​anielgreg:matrix.org> tbh pos doesn't make sense. bitcoin mining is also not really profitable. asic miner, space and electricity -> roi is like 2 years and that's assuming the price of BTC doesn't go below like 60k and asic don't break and they break.

<d​anielgreg:matrix.org> the price of monero will rise because the coin is superior. more miners notice, randomx is our strength. we need more hashrate and hs is constantly increasing ever since randomx. thats good.

<d​anielgreg:matrix.org> monero roi is also tad different. everyone has motherboard with cpu. asics become useless eventually. i have 15 year old hw that still runs and works fine.

<b​arthman132:matrix.org> Well a lot of people mine bitcoin in the expectation that its value will go up, so even if they don’t immediately make a profit, they’re expecting to make one. A hybrid system would make sense, because I think it would not only incentivize miners. It would also give a incentive for miners to actually hold their monero

<o​ne-horse-wagon:monero.social> Would it hurt the blockchain in any way if P2Pool became 81% of the total hash? I say 81% because IMO, no other pool should be larger than 19%. 81% would prevent selfish mining if that level was maintained. I want to push the idea on reddit of more miners coming on board and others switching over to P2Pool.io.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> a centralized pool can use p2pool

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Simply requiring "p2pool" doesnt prevent selfish mining

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> P2pool is just a pool where each p2pool talks to one another and shares the reward. You can run p2pool on your own (without unselfish peers)

<g​ingeropolous:monero.social> my wacky idea might prevent selfish mining

<o​ne-horse-wagon:monero.social> What is your wacky idea?

<g​ingeropolous:monero.social> github.com/Gingeropolous/friction/blob/main/friction_longer.md . Careful, dunno if the cryptography makes sense. i wrote something in words that make sense to me, and a bot filled in the gaps

<g​ingeropolous:monero.social> that coupled with 98 might do something

<a​lexanarcho:matrix.org> technically, the heaviest chain is valid, not the longest, right?

cum difficulty indeed

<o​ne-horse-wagon:monero.social> How long would a newcomer have to mine before he established a reputation as a trusted miner? Your idea does have a lot of merit.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> So.. force pool mining? lol

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Cant say i like the idea of assigning reputation to miners

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Essentially means the largest miners reorgs always win(?) And smaller fish get screwed

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Social credit score mining

<j​effro256:monero.social> gingeropolous: with all due respect , please don't flesh out your ideas with a chatbot and post it in a human chatroom. It just generates a lot of noise and isnt respectful of readers' time. I'd much rather have the bats bones of thought concisely laid out in a short gist. At the moment, in my opinion, chat bots can be decent at summarization (compression), but are pretty terrible<clipped mes

<j​effro256:monero.social> at expounding on details (decompressing)

<j​effro256:monero.social> *bare bones

<a​ntilt:we2.ee> Did you notice that LLMs allways try to sell you an idea? They fail to consider even the most trivial counter argument:

<a​ntilt:we2.ee> A reputation system can only be implemented month or even yrs BEFORE an attack -- otherwise attackers build up their rep as fast as the legitimate "old" chain.

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> 8 block reorg!

<a​ntilt:we2.ee> I see trust scores as part of a solution, but only if we have a fresh start. Ban spy nodes, and chill selfish miners out.

<l​eonarth_:matrix.org> ~5XMR lost by honest pools in this re-org

<e​longated:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/aiwCNQkDTjATdaOneMSxNZBa

^ These links probably don't work on IRC. Gives me "Not found".

<j​fuffjcjkdrngisozkfng:matrix.org> That’s crazy

<e​longated:matrix.org> moneroconsensus.info < height 3479613

<n​oname-user0:matrix.org> no one really lost anything... their mining was real and if they didnt do it selfishly, they would have secured more tx fees along with these blocks. (probabilistically)

<n​oname-user0:matrix.org> it's not like fees were distributed and unlocked yet. that would be a much different story

<n​oname-user0:matrix.org> it's the same as mining an orphan block

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Tevador, the link is to a screenshot of moneroconsensus.info

<b​asses:matrix.org> ibb.co/B26xjgJh here is the pic sent

<b​asses:matrix.org> matrix image links have been broken for IRC for a while

It seems that qubic's blocks rarely have more than a handful of transactions. They are either disconnected from the network most of the time or they use some nonstandard block template building method.

They run a modified monerod and who knows how clumsy they were while doing it

<e​longated:matrix.org> They only want to mine for block rewards and don’t care about transactions or the network.

For example qubic's block 3479622 contains only high-fee transactions, at least 16x the minimum.

<g​ingeropolous:monero.social> yeah im thinking long term fixes, not just to counter whats happening right now.

<g​ingeropolous:monero.social> so the gist is the longer you have mined, the more weight your blocks have during a fork choice. but sure i'll drop it because it doesn't address the attack we have now

<e​longated:matrix.org> Cubic is mining they have weight

i doubt they'll sustain it over a year. or 2. etc. long rolling windows.

Even though qubic is annoying, I think CfB is only trying to prove his point with no malicious intent. Imagine how much worse it would be if there was someone with destructive goals. That's the real future threat. There is no scarcity of CPUs and they can easily be acquired by a dedicated attacker.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> oh look a bot

cuprated no longer compiles on freebsd by the way which may be a low priority for now, just saying

"no malicious intent" github.com/qubic/proposal/blob/main…gic-qubic-monero-quorum-decision.md

We have different definitions of "malicious"

What would you call the attacker with a much bigger budget who doesn't announce plans in advance? You can call qubic malicious too, fine with me, all i am saying is it could be worse.

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> Relying solely on POW will be a mistake in the long run. Given the current scale of XMR mining, it's easy to acquire the necessary computing resources with a decent budget.

<a​sdfqwfe:matrix.org> They have no illicit intent. But it is malicious.

<b​asses:matrix.org> how it is "no illicit intent" mr Monero_PoS_Fan

<b​asses:matrix.org> everyone replying to the link posted by tevador didn't even read it. Brain programmed by CFB

<b​asses:matrix.org> how about CFB donates all the $ he made from this "experiment" to Monero general fund?

<a​sdfqwfe:matrix.org> It's illegal to double spend. It's not illegal to DDOS (as far as I'm aware).

<a​sdfqwfe:matrix.org> They don't want to double spend.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> We should anchor monero to a compliant / regulated stablecoin

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> A US* compliant one

<e​longated:matrix.org> I want a kremlin compliant

<r​afaelkinder:matrix.org> Hey question, actually two:

<r​afaelkinder:matrix.org> Wownero claims to be solo mining only. First, how is this done technically? Second, would it take to make this not horrible for monero?

<r​afaelkinder:matrix.org> Hey question, actually two:
Wownero claims to be solo mining only. First, how is this done technically? Second, what would it take to make this not horrible for monero?

they force miners to sign the solution with their key as part of the pow process

there's workarounds if pools really wanted to exist

<r​afaelkinder:matrix.org> Do you think it could be done?

<b​asses:matrix.org> xcancel.com/zooko/status/1955679269792927795#m lol

<b​asses:matrix.org> sometimes I doubt how smart zcash people are

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> \> Someone: "Should I avoid this tomato? It says it's been over 2 days now..."

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> \> zooko: "Maybe, but be sure that tomato is still red and looks like a fruit. Also the tomato is aligned with consumer standards"

<b​asses:matrix.org> he's AI

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> zcash is secured by proof of zookos groceries

<b​asses:matrix.org> lets backdoor our chain to allow LE catch "bad guys"

<b​asses:matrix.org> avg zooko take