<torir:matrix.org> @puff1k:matrix.org: In the cryptocurrency space, legal actions have in many cases failed to accomplish much. In this particular case, I think it would be hard to show actual harm done in a courtroom (in the legal sense of "harm"), even though yes, in some sense, actual harm has occurred. This is the wild west where "code is law".

<torir:matrix.org> To successfully sue Qubic (or the people involved in Qubic), you would probably have to provide evidence that you actually lost money due to the re-org or the other disruption that they have caused. And it would have to be an amount sufficient to even warrant the cost of a lawsuit.

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> I tried this briefly, but it wants to enforce the hardcoded checkpoints > <@rucknium> 2. If you put a checkpoints.json file into the directory with the blockchain, it will putllthat every time it checks DNS records. (I have not tested this yet, but I will soon) :github.com/monero-project/monero/bl…a/src/checkpoints/checkpoints.h#L40

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Barks about setting checkpoints higher than the hardcoded ones

<torir:matrix.org> That being said, it seems clear that CFB is wary of potential legal consequences, so an actual legal threat might dissuade him.

<torir:matrix.org> That may be the reason why CFB is holding off on doing large reorgs for now.

<torir:matrix.org> He got burned by not understanding how very important the ten block lock is in Monero.

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> This is research lounge, not 1800-crime-stoppers

<torir:matrix.org> #monero:monero.social Right, discussion can continue here.

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> i personally don't care to hear about non-technical methods of combating qubic

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Yeah, #monero is fine

<privacyx> Its appears qubic not selfish mining in the last few or so hours am i reading that right?

<rucknium> I think the log message is misleading. It triggers the log message for any checkpoint, including DNS, hardcoded, or json. > <@ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> I tried this briefly, but it wants to enforce the hardcoded checkpoints

<rucknium> You just need to supply a height to the json file that is higher than the height of the highest checkpoint the node knows about.

<barthman132:matrix.org> He lives in Belarus. Do people even know what crypto even is over there? I don’t really think that’s why he stopped. I doubt the Belarus government even cares > <@torir:matrix.org> That being said, it seems clear that CFB is wary of potential legal consequences, so an actual legal threat might dissuade him.

It was correct since today @privacyx:monero.social as I have said so a couple of times

Their blocks don't contain withheld transactions, but also don't contain much of other transactions

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @barthman132:matrix.org: Do you know that for a fact?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> I live in belarus too

<barthman132:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Yes I saw a couple articles years ago saying he lives in Minsk. “Sergey Ivancheglo lives in Minsk, Belarus. He holds a Bachelor of Science with specialization in electronics and artificial intelligence.” He resigned from IOTA and bounced around a couple of projects before qubic. medium.com/@Dav [... too long, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/zO_Oz7UKRmdCeUZv ]

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Do you believe everything you read on the internet

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Did you know that luigi1111's real name is luigi:

<barthman132:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: I mean he his a public figure. His story does seem pretty typical for many tech guys out there.

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> he's about as public as my onlyfans

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> I persobally doubt that is his real name, location, education, and even his profile pic

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> have you ever seen a video of him? I havent looked

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Fluffypony - he is who he says he is.

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> vitalik - another public figure.

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Cfb? My ass

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Bros an actor

<barthman132:matrix.org> m.youtube.com/watch?v=n9zlLh2YMPA

<barthman132:matrix.org> Here is a interview with him.

<barthman132:matrix.org> He has done interviews in both English and in Russian.

<barthman132:matrix.org> Skip about a minute into the video to hear speak

<privacyx> DataHoarder: Thanks DH As im different time zone to majority of you guys I would of missed it I try my best to catch up on what is discussed My today is midday Tuesday lol anyway appreciate the response

^ as a point to "but what about history in IRC" see no one reads backlog even when they have it :)

You can also see that there aren't that many withheld txs (or none) which is also an indication of when they turn selfish mining, but not always

<privacyx> No I read them and i appreciate the information you provide its my error for how missed it as usually i jump to unread go through it but something went wrong and your actually comments about it was marked as read again appreciate the response

note I've added a record for 6 of the testpoints.moneropulse.* domains

qubic seems to have reverted their transaction code and are including up to 20 transactions per each of their blocks

6/7 binaryFate?

rucknium: pushed update for monero-blocks. cryptonote-pool based pools were only reporting confirmed (60+?) blocks in their api, querying stats allows display of also "pending" ones. unknown blocks should get tagged faster if they are from these pools now

noticed it on a herominers recent block, took a closer look

there is no issue otherwise. blocks were either way eventually tagged

the way it works for these is that it will first query their /stats endpoint when no token is set, then if toke is set, use get_blocks

that gets pending blocks first directly

Sorry to bring a CfB tweet but they are again in the lies phase of their marketing x.com/c___f___b/status/1967871398124356015

Enough to warrant a lengthier report with basically walking around all block templates, all included transactions

Showing their PoW verification against each other

And as mentioned, how they also existed on Tari network, along with Qubic mining at the same time.

The Tari merge mining data effectively includes the full hash blob (to generate the exact block ID) of the full monero block header, plus a bit more :)

<gingeropolous> yeah perhaps a blog post on getmonero.org is warranted at this point. Perhaps the monero miners that are mining on qubic really think that what they are doing is fine....

are they 'monero miners'? they are just 'miners', acting in their own economic interest aren't they? or maybe i am misreading the situation.

<gingeropolous> well sure. But i can imagine maybe they start seeing the logic that they shouldn't poison their cash cow

i am not sure miners have such a long time preference, to be honest.

*long term

<barthman132:matrix.org> Why would he even care? > <DataHoarder> Sorry to bring a CfB tweet but they are again in the lies phase of their marketing x.com/c___f___b/status/1967871398124356015

he wouldn't. but they are loud and know how to push the propaganda everywhere

they have dedicated channels to "raid" tweets or postings / news to ensure their message is first, or only one by volume

<barthman132:matrix.org> Like why would he even tweet something like this out. x.com/c___f___b/status/1967872808706539595. Wouldn’t it be beneficial for him to claim credit for

I'm making a just step by step timeline of all blocks for all chains. with ofc, all the block data which is verifiable individually. correlated with Tari block data.

No text content, just raw "X happened at Y, this is the data"

yeah but we don't know your real name!!!!!

oh surely you can find it :)

haven't even thought of looking

it works :)

something about a rose

but yeah. all block headers, all relevant lost transactions

<helene:unredacted.org> their real name is Weeb, last name DataHoarder

step by step as both sides build the chains

<helene:unredacted.org> #doxxed

corroborated with tari blocks issued for the merge mined ones

I also kept logs of exactly when each block arrived or was seen first, which should match loosely with all the other values.

also, ofc, bringing back the SVG only for the related event

so we have a direct link to that

<helene:unredacted.org> it's funny that tari almost serves as a source of truth here :D

<longtermwhale:matrix.org> "18 blocks of uncontested chain omitted" can anybody explain, i got around a few dozen txid not confirming / not finding on explorers from 1-2h ago

you can click the "Full block history" button

those are just areas where there were no orphans

you are probably still affected by qubic invalidating your transactions

Here's the reorg SVG (it gets generated from live block data on each startup) blocks.p2pool.observer/event/reorg_sep14_18/plot.svg

it seems the FUD farms are in full force today across several monero channels today

<helene:unredacted.org> some people are bored i guess, and some people seem to want to argue that their opinion is better or more right than someone else's

<helene:unredacted.org> i don't get why the arguments, if you don't agree then don't use it, etc

not just, same entities bringing same prompts or trying to pass as other users

it's their way to get marketing

<helene:unredacted.org> that too, yes

> 13:25:32 <DataHoarder> they have dedicated channels to "raid" tweets or postings / news to ensure their message is first, or only one by volume

<helene:unredacted.org> too interested in money to have principles i guess

<longtermwhale:matrix.org> DataHoarder: of course, they/him run a shitcoin. monero is run by technical people in matrix and irc

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Its same person as always > <DataHoarder> it seems the FUD farms are in full force today across several monero channels today

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Well/ the ai prompt one was diff person

yeah. that one was entertaining

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> DataHoarder: the imposter is not qubic

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Have been around here for years

yeah the one that tags you and ruck is known

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> There was a time when people thought it was me

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Im happy that its not actually 40 people

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Also happy that this user pays enough attention to do good impersonations

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> on social media platforms, stick to your following feed. don't look at discovery. best way to solve this problem.

<helene:unredacted.org> thank you for the tip hatsune miku

also damn Tari mined blocks came at exactly the right time

all relevant high orphaned blocks got into Tari

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> ;-;

The right term to refer to Tari being used as a way to publish these blocks there as a "check" would be the "witness chain" right?

The witness chain receives these blocks, independent of Qubic/Monero own chain, but the witness chain contains data to show Qubic/Monero were aware of each other at that time within Tari

P2Pool sidechains also are witness chains but they only include the block id, not the full block template hashing blob

<helene:unredacted.org> i believe that is the term

<helene:unredacted.org> it would've been useful if tari could be used as another option to checkpointing, but i don't think it can be :p

<helene:unredacted.org> i think you had mentioned it too, if i remember correctly

well

...

merge mined blocks land there

ofc, qubic ones do as well

though they disabled Tari mining sometimes

<helene:unredacted.org> well, i feel the problem is that it might not be fast enough, and there's only a chance that a block might be merge-mined, right?

correct

they can also publish theirs first there

tari blocks can also be orphaned

<helene:unredacted.org> indeed :/

got any nice lines rucknium? :)

Trying to do a timeline log and I could link these there

<rucknium> DataHoarder: Lines, as in sentences?

sorry, an explainer of the global output index invalidation / slides

<rucknium> I'm working on DNS checkpointing things still.

ok!

<rucknium> Not yet

Why don't they selfish mine Tari too? Does the multialgo make it difficult ?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Why beat up the bullys lil sister?

Why not if you allready got the full setup?

they don't have the full setup

sometimes when selfish mining Monero they'd turn off Tari entirely

I have made this Timeline of Monero 18-block reorg on September 14th, 2025 github.com/WeebDataHoarder/Monero-Timeline-Sep14

Displays a table of block heights and Tari witnesses

A table log of events

an even longer full table of events

Any idea how much (%wise) equivalent hashrate they could muster on Tari?

all blocks archived

all transactions archived

in one easy repo :)

Probably not enough hashrate

irc.gammaspectra.live/afacb9eaed08e972/image.png

tokr: tari has less randomx than monero, but, they split pow function ability to get 50%

see on explore.tari.com "proof of work split"

yeah i know, - now it's 25% monero, so you would only be able to reach 33% in short bursts.

Which makes Tari very resilient towards selfish mining

randomx can get 50% so bursts above too

if they are mining as botnet they can cover both sides :P

yes but not with the same hadrware

And apparently hashrate on Cuckaroo is measured in Kg. which would pose some logistical challenges on a botnet ;)