<namenet:matrix.org> tevador: Does this use the algorithms suggested by NIST?

<namenet:matrix.org> csrc.nist.gov/pubs/fips/203/final

<namenet:matrix.org> csrc.nist.gov/pubs/fips/204/final

<namenet:matrix.org> csrc.nist.gov/pubs/fips/205/final

FIPS 204 and 205 is for signatures, not encryption. FIPS 203 is formely Kyber, which is mentioned in my writeup.

<namenet:matrix.org> tevador: Good to know

<namenet:matrix.org> Does the hard fork need to be timed before a quantum computer is running that can use Grover's?

My proposal doesn't need a hard fork.

<namenet:matrix.org> > I'm proposing to use CSIDH for PQ encryption with Jamtis addresses. We can use CSIDH-512 for best performance or CSIDH-1024 for a more conservative security margin.

<namenet:matrix.org> Jamtis addresses require a hard fork?

<namenet:matrix.org> I remember Seraphis and Jamtis were being worked on parallel before FCMP++ and Carrot

Jamtis doesn't need a hard fork.

It's a just an address format.

It's probably a naming confusion. I'm talking about a different version of Jamtis here (Jamtis-PQ) that's backwards compatible with Carrot.

<namenet:matrix.org> seraphis-migration/wallet3 #41

<namenet:matrix.org> Is the issue outdated?

FYI, Seraphis won't be implemented. The original Jamtis is thus obsolete. It only works with Seraphis.

Seraphis was replaced with FCMP++.

Then there was Jamtis-RCT, which works with FCMP++, but was replaced with Carrot. Jamtis-PQ is the 3rd version. It probably needs a new name...

<namenet:matrix.org> tevador: Oh alright I was mixing up Seraphis and Jamtis with FCMP++, Carrot, and Jamtis-PQ

<kayabanerve:matrix.org> tevador: I vote JAMTIS, go full circle on having several schemes with the same name we can barely tell the difference between.

<kayabanerve:matrix.org> Or Multi-purpose Lightweight Sending Address Generation? MLSAG?

<kayabanerve:matrix.org> We have many options.

<kayabanerve:matrix.org> Multi-Hardness Lightweight Single-use Address Generation

goo goo just announced that they will have a working/useful quantum computer in 5-10 years

JAMT15, to denote that quantum computers are always "5-10 years" in the future

<sgp_> jamtis-pq is the least bad of the existing proposals, sorry not sorry mlsag :p

<sgp_> if it was called mlsag i think my brain would explode

<sgp_> Jicama? another root vegetable, to go with carrot

<kayabanerve:matrix.org> Strong reason to name it MLSAG above

<kayabanerve:matrix.org> I think people have mentioned Rabbit w.r.t. CARROT before