<e​xolix:matrix.org> Hello team,

<e​xolix:matrix.org> I am Alina, a business development manager at Exolix – an instant crypto exchange service without KYC which operates since 2018.

<e​xolix:matrix.org> Our big focus is on privacy and security and XMR has been one of the most in demand cryptocurrencies for exchange on our website for many years.

<e​xolix:matrix.org> So I am wondering if Exolix can be included into the Swappers section on Monero website? Would be grateful for your feedback and response.

<c​trej:matrix.org> As far as I know the list on getmonero.org is rarely if ever updated and only there for legacy reasons.

<c​trej:matrix.org> The general advice for newbies is to use trocador.app, a service run by a long time community member, and you are one of the supported exchange partners. Offering good rates and good KYC policies make you more attractive to users.

<c​trej:matrix.org> You may also reach out to directory sites such as monerica.com/#exchanges to get listed.

<e​xolix:matrix.org> Thank you for the response. Exolix is listed on both Trocador and Monerica, however that would be brilliant to be added to the Merchants on Monero website as well, as this is highly valued by the community, that's why I am reaching out to discover this opportunity.

<c​trej:matrix.org> sorry, didn't see that you already are on monerica

<r​brunner7:monero.social> There certainly isn't any drive to make that swapper list "complete" in any way. And because people in the community see a listing there as something approaching an "official" endorsement or even a recommendation, it's hard to get consensus to modify the list. I remember similar discussions about listing or not listing some wallet apps. What makes it harder still is that as far a<clipped message>

<r​brunner7:monero.social> s I know you, i.e. Exolix, are not active in the Monero community. Not that you have to, and I certainly don't want to push you into something, but if you e.g. were a regular here in this room with a "standing", it might be easier to get a listing.

<v​stealth:matrix.org> We are in a similar boat at StealthEX, been trying to get added for a long while, have a pull request open for 2 years now :)

<v​stealth:matrix.org> Is there someone currently overseeing the website related pull requests?

<v​stealth:matrix.org> To my understanding Erciccione stepped down from that role.

<r​brunner7:monero.social> I also see the danger of some vacuum now ...

Erciccione didnt oversee pull requests

Community does, (incl erc)

StealthEX and Exolix are both exchanges I've use personally (not listed), and binance is onr i wouldnt recommend (listed). The issue isn't getting listed, its figuring out a criteria. As rbrunner said, the easiest for criteria is "are they active in community?" Ie, do we "trust" them

Regards to power vavuum - dw, he didnt remove his admin acct in -translations, so theres another if erc's broken rooms

<c​trej:matrix.org> I never liked the listing (and endorsement) of non-community sites on getmonero

Same. Nor anything proprietary

Erc tried to list "coin wallet" and change the inclusion rules so it was YOLO, everthing goes

ceetee +1

<v​stealth:matrix.org> Right, should've used a different wording, however it seems that all the activity regarding website PRs has been halted. However, I do believe that the list should be updated or at least cleaned up. For example Sideshift has delisted XMR half a year ago, yet it is still in the directory.

<v​stealth:matrix.org> Personally I'd be happy to assist, however there would be a conflict of interest since im a representative of StealthEX.

It hasnt halted

Feel free to open pr to remove sideshift

(and thanks if you do)

monero-project/monero-site #2143 close

If you open pr to remove sideshift, tip, dont do this: monero-project/monero-site #2183

<v​stealth:matrix.org> Gotcha. I guess im just speaking from our point of view since our pr has been hanging in the open forever ( monero-project/monero-site #1917)

<v​stealth:matrix.org> I will get on it and create a PR for sideshift removal tomorrow!

monero-project/monero-site #2221 rottenwheel just opened a pr for sideshift removal 👍

vstealth - erc kicked me from this room a long time ago

Erc gone = no more of his weirdness

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Rotten has replaced erc” drafted”

ErC's PR to remove sideshift from July 2023 monero-project/monero-site #2184 i guess we can start looking at merges now

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Need to wait for 1 yr anniversary first

I think the main reason why its not been merged is cus we will have to, god forbid, add majestic bank or some other swap services once we start removing things.. a stand off

Remove sideshift, include StealthEX. Easy peasy lemon squeeze.

We dont have to merge majestic. I'd NOT merge majestic simply because he tried to slip it into the pr without mentioning the true purpose

Erc had to ask him to please not be a slimeball (not verbatim)

why do we have to add anything?

Erc is a fkn loser.

are we giving our blessing?

blocked me from reviewing his PR's

i just tried to approve 2184 and got a "user is blocked" error. lmao

I cannor even comment on the pr

Closes monero-project/monero-site #2221 (dup) and monero-project/monero-site #2183 (bad pr)

re 2184

Im inclined to go with 2221 considering im not allowed to comment or review erc's work.

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> You list stuff means its endorsed

There is a disclaimer and such to handle that

the stuff we list iant endorsed officially

I dont mind majesticbank listed as a swapper. If they have liquidity , let the people have it. Its been a while since the last rendering error

Has it though?

The last rendering error was the pr to list majesticbank

I mean, "remove sideshift"

Let him open a clean pr, and let current and future behavior dictate whether he's listed

Im not writing a pr for him, just because he cant seem to write an honest one. Thats reason enough to give a yellow card

Stealthex and exolix - before listing, id like to check the fees used

Agree on MB uhm. Has bitcoinVN been merged yet? Iirc they had some high fees

Swapee or whatever, sent me xmr using some nonstandard fee.

1.5 or 2x the regular fee

Oh tx fees, sorry, i meant the swap fee

Yeah, sorry, tx* fees

<v​stealth:matrix.org> Sure, feel free to check or ask anything either here or in the PR (1917). On the matter of StealthEX of course.

does stealthex have their own reserves?

<v​stealth:matrix.org> Currently no. It is on the map in the future especially for XMR given current trends.

Right. Might be hard to keep xmr if binance etc delist, right?

According to trocador, stealthex is a "B" rated exchanges and requires ip logging

Exolix is a C rated exchange, and doesnt require ip logging

<v​stealth:matrix.org> Not really, we have a pretty large LP network. And currently able to grab it from Kucoin/Gate

Plowsof - i'd need to ask morpheus why exolix is rated lower than stealthex

Stealthex rate is 5.6% higher than the #1 rate (exch), and 4.6% higher than exolix. (this is offtopic for the question of the pr, but i figure i should ask anyway - why arent the rates competitive?)

<v​stealth:matrix.org> There is a lot of factors. What are you trying to exchange and what amounts? StealthEX tend to get more competitive on higher amounts. For example im trying an amount of 0.1 BTC - XMR And our rates are better than vast majority.

very strange - the fixed rate is showing 2.17xmr / 5ltc, and the floating is showing 2.08/5xmr (top rate exch is 2.21). the fixed is only 1.7% more expensive than the top rate of 2.20

Selsta 2184 Closes monero-project/monero-site #2221 (dup) and monero-project/monero-site #2183 (bad pr)

I can't close anything on this repo

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Is there a criteria that needs to be meet to be listed ?

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> 1. No funding of badges etc

<c​ryptomorpheus_:matrix.org> Hey dudes

<c​ryptomorpheus_:matrix.org> Any questions for me? As someone who lives taking to these swappers, I guess I can give some inside knowledge

We're not your dudes, pal.

'i'd need to ask morpheus why exolix is rated lower than stealthex' ofrnxmr ^^

<c​ryptomorpheus_:matrix.org> But I said dudes, not my dudes

<c​ryptomorpheus_:matrix.org> 😃

<c​ryptomorpheus_:matrix.org> Rated where?

<c​ryptomorpheus_:matrix.org> Comparing what?

Yes morph. Question was how come exolix is rated below stealthex. (exolix is a C, stealhex a C)

On trocador

Stealthex a B**

<c​ryptomorpheus_:matrix.org> Ok

<c​ryptomorpheus_:matrix.org> Stealthex has never caused any trouble, it's very reliable

<c​ryptomorpheus_:matrix.org> Exolix had some issues here and there

<c​ryptomorpheus_:matrix.org> We never had to downgrade stealthex

ok i see

<c​ryptomorpheus_:matrix.org> Basically, we had thousands of swaps with stealthex without any issue

<c​ryptomorpheus_:matrix.org> While with exolix it's been reliable, but we were forced to downgrade when they hired some incompetent employees which were halting swaps due to users using mixers

<c​ryptomorpheus_:matrix.org> They gave us some headache, so we downgraded them

<c​ryptomorpheus_:matrix.org> And limited their volume

<c​ryptomorpheus_:matrix.org> No user lost money because of that, but the trust was hurt

<c​ryptomorpheus_:matrix.org> On Trocador, when the exchange is B rated, the user should receive either the swap or the money back, so when a B rated exchange start halting swaps we get on the side of the user, and it becomes a headache for us to solve the issue. When we solve it, we move them to C, never to return

<c​ryptomorpheus_:matrix.org> Because of the headache they give us

Gotcha. Thanks for the added context

<c​ryptomorpheus_:matrix.org> Sure, no problem