<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Do we plan on holding the meeting today?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Yep!

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> In an hour and a half.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> No meta issue, no reddit, matrix call besides just this?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> ah, it'd seem so. I'm a bit rusty. Sorry.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I'll send something in the other Matrix/IRC channels

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Sent in #monero, #monero-community, and #monero-community-dev:monero.social

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Bit rushes imo, but .shrug. Fine for an informal, impromptu setup meeting, I guess. Don't expect a big turnout though.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> rottenwheel: mind copy/pasting into -pools or wherever else you think it needs to go?

<b​asses:matrix.org> monerobull post on monero town?

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Nobody will know and whoever catches it one hour prior might or might not make it.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Bit rushed imo, but .shrug. Fine for an informal, impromptu setup meeting, I guess. Don't expect a big turnout though.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Diego Salazar I think the most essential one place to do it is opening the issue in meta with location, date, time, agenda items, like all other meetings do...

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Can I be blunt? Design by committee sucks and having a smaller people composed mostly of IRC people and those who knew of the meeting prior because they watch this channel is fine by me

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> No meta, no meeting

<b​asses:matrix.org> plowsof is an expert in this matter

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Days or weeks in advance, of course.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And meeting for what? To decide if we reopen the ccs?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> That takes 26 seconds

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> spirobel:

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Design by committee = merge the ccs

<b​asses:matrix.org> he can contact diego and bull on how it usually goes

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I thought we already decided over plenty of meetings to build the website and decide later

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> but then the ccs was closed, claiming that site didnt have a workgroup (as if the workgroup has anything to do with the ccs)

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Well, the beginnings of a workgroup are budding now that mb and I have been funded for it.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Rotten, hardened, plowsof, and others have been actively running this workgroup for a long time

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> This meeting is a starting point for that.

<b​asses:matrix.org> already have a question about the new website, does this meeting require certain participants to join or they can discuss later/never?

<b​asses:matrix.org> like janka is probably VIP in this meeting

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> The latter

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Meeting is just extra red tape for no reason. We got more work done before we had to wait 2 weeks for a decision

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And we'd get more work done if luigi1111 gave plowsof merge power

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Funded at a higher combined rate than the ccs to build the website. Make it make sense, amirite?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> - Merge the "new website" ccs

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> - give plowsof merge power on site

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> = omg we have productivity

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Instead we spent 2 months waiting for luigi to merge a list, and closes the ccs

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> As far as I know plowsof getting merge powers isn't on the table?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I could be wrong though.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> So that we can pay 2hrs of labor for a meeting

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> It should have been a common sense solution

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Ah, we are having a meta-meeting. People discuss the pros and cons of having a meeting. Cool.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Plowsof works 2x as hard because he doesnt have power to merge and has to micromanage merge conflicts

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> :D

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Midipoet wanted to run meta meetings 🫠. This feels exactly the same

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> This also discourages contributors bcuz we all have to keep fixing merge conflicts / avoid editing the same file for a different fix

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Like the rpc documentation

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> This upcoming meeting is mostly going to be covering new site stuff.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> chch3003

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> why? There was months of discussion already

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Merge the ccs, build alt website, figure the rest out once the ccs is complete

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Well then one more little discussion shouldn't hurt anything.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Its literallt costs $

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Why would we have meetings just to burn money and time

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> A lot of contributors are unpaid. We already have hours of meetings dedicated each week

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> ^

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Biggest detractors were probably spirobel and maybe plowsof

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Spirobel hasnt responded, so whats the point of having a nod session if spirobel doesnt attend

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> the argument was that luigi wants there to be a workgroup. There is one, its just inefficient because none of us have merge power

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Well, regardless, I'll be running a meet in about an hour.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Diego Salazar president meetup!

<r​brunner7:monero.social> > Merge the ccs, build alt website, figure the rest out once the ccs is complete

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Which CCS is this?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> *New Monero Website* from janaka

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Ah, yes: repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/450

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Did not find it first because it's closed, of course.

<b​asses:matrix.org> yep

<r​brunner7:monero.social> "Closing in favor of constructing a functioning website workgroup. (it could be reopened/modified given output of said group)"

I dont want to go to 'darkmode without javascript / css checkbox' school

<r​brunner7:monero.social> "the argument was that luigi wants there to be a workgroup. There is one, its just inefficient because none of us have merge power"

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Alright. Diego Salazar , take over for some compromise finding, seems to me the parties are still quite wide apart :)

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> That's my specialty. ;)

<b​asses:matrix.org> there are toggles that doesn't needs JS

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The website ccs being merged != were going to deploy it on getmonero ASAP

<b​asses:matrix.org> hopefully stuff goes smooth and we see some progress and productivity

<b​asses:matrix.org> and unf*ck monero curse

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> More important than merging etc, is stuff like spirobels comments about the viability of completing it adequately, of if we actually need a whole new website to complete the visual changes

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> We are already discussing jekyll > hugo. The discussion should be Hugo vs astro or whatever. And politicians can vote all they want, the main q is always "who" is going to do the work

<r​brunner7:monero.social> In my experience, with the weekly MRL meetings and the "No wallet left behind" meetings, they are mostly useful - if done regularly, so that people can count on them, easily remember the day and time, etc. Meetings don't have to be a waste of time.

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> When removal of mymonero and edge wallet ?

<b​asses:matrix.org> wen

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> Yah when

<b​asses:matrix.org> .

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> If you need to bribe to remove, we need to fork off getmonero

<b​asses:matrix.org> yeah nope

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> We'll have a meeting in 6 weeks to discuss that

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> monero.cat when?

<b​asses:matrix.org> will leave this question to the MEETING

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> 6 weeks lol

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> No pr's and no reviews unless we have meeting first.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Edge wallet should be removed, probably. They have trackers etc.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Idk whats up with mymonero mobile wallet, but a handful of people have been complaining that it doesnt work (had to switch to desktop)

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Well? This weeks meeting doesn't have an agenda or a meta post. So can you really call it a meeting if monero.observer and revuo didnt know about it?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Tress falling in forest with nobody around etc etc

<r​brunner7:monero.social> No more participation from ofrnxmr until we declare this a meeting free zone :)

<r​brunner7:monero.social> "I was there when we successfully sabotaged Diego's un-properly announced so-called <<meeting>>." Sigh.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> but diego said every moment with us was a meeting

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> God does it feel like it.

<b​asses:matrix.org> about 40 mins

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I can't wait

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> im joking i can only wait

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Isnt it mb's meeting 🤔

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> He and I can do rock paper scissors.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Rock paper scissors implementation on the blockchain with perdersan commitment

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> a compressed edward point is 256 bit and we allow 1080 bit in tx_extra

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> this theorically possible

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> We'll need to have a meeting to implement this.

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> hi

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Hi, welcome to #monero-rock-paper-scissors. First meeting in one week

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> I've just spent 5 minutes catching up on people complaining about how nobody knew of a meeting. Seems like there are enough people here.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> If you too will particiapte to the meeting react by saying in chat: *monero W*

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> *monero W*

<b​asses:matrix.org> lol

<b​asses:matrix.org> that is spammy

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> i hate you

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> jk

<b​asses:matrix.org> I love you too

<c​hch3003:monero.social> 👋

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> 5 min guys.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Guys be excited.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> It's almost meeting time guys.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Alrighty. We're at the hour.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> No agenda was posted for this so nothing to easily copy/paste. But let's start in the usual way. Who's here? Ready to engage?

<c​hch3003:monero.social> Hello guys, janaka here

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Hello everyone.

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Hello

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Hi, ready to give my opinion

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> Hello.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> I'll set up an agenda issue for the next meeting

<b​asses:matrix.org> hello

<s​needlewoods:monero.social> I'm lurking

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I'm hoping to keep this pretty practical. As many have said, some of these topics have been discussed again and again for months.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I may be asking a couple of similar questions, be patient. I just want to get a few things on record for myself.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I promise I'm hoping to move us forward by a pretty big leap today.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> It won't all be for naught. :P

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> So first question. New site. Yes or no? Is it needed? If so, why? If not, why not?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> This won't be a long or exhaustive portion. We've heard a lot on this already.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Just kind of a "last chance" to have your opinion heard here.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Yes, for revamping design, improving ux, psychologically motivating all the other workgroup

<b​asses:matrix.org> Yes, the current website design feels very old and the actual source code for the website is very confusing making it very hard to contribute. No dark theme

<c​hch3003:monero.social> All the above, and taking this opportunity to also rework the content.

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> at the very least it could have some updates on it, like the roadmap stuck in 2023

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Yes. People are hardly writing new content anymore. We have to get contributions flowing again, the website must be a living thing. Like the Monero project as a whole.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> IMO: Only if it is a full, thought-out rework with focus on information density and readability. Otherwise we can just add dark mode to the existing site and put more modern graphics on it

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I agree on the thought out rework. A penpot instance would be appreciated

<b​asses:matrix.org> nah, it will end up like Weblate instance

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I disagree, its not even related.

hello

<b​asses:matrix.org> that's another problem for another meething, unless you guys want to discuss the need for a sysadmin to maintain Weblate and monero infra

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> It seems the group here is largely leaning toward yes, although there are a couple of asterisks.

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> Helllooo

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Despite the asterisks, it seems pretty positive toward yes.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Hey plowsof. New website, yes or no?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> The only thing I have to add to this discussion is what I've said before. I made the current general design, and I've always not been thrilled with it.

<b​asses:matrix.org> I think the design of the new website should also fit the theme of the videos made by vostoemisio which I think the current figma concept design fits pretty well? SyntheticBird

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Back in the day the community really wanted to retain an amateurish feel so as to show were not "hype based" like the other cryptos.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> What I ended up with was a good compromise, but I felt very hamstrung and felt it could be much better.

<b​asses:matrix.org> you seem to have taken a thorough look at janka work

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I'm sorry I haven't looked at vostoemisio or Diego Salazar work. Any links ?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> The "hype train" of cryptos I think has largely passed. And having one less amateurish in feel I think is the way to go. It's about time.

<r​brunner7:monero.social> I would oppose some "corporate type" high gloss look, but I don't think it must lean towards "amateurish" to avoid that

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> So I am also for yes.

<b​asses:matrix.org> plowsof can you link vids by them?

vosto will be adding light/dark theme videos to his next ccs* sure

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> in the new monero website i'd try to direct it towards monero adoption for businesses a bit too, saying it's an actual business opportunity and such

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I agree rbrunner7. But there's a lot of fertile ground in between corporate and professional.

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> Yeah, for fcmp and introductory video there will be 2 versions

number 6 and 7 getmonero.org/get-started/faq/#videos

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> epic vids

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> There are a couple of things that were required that will carry over:

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> 1. No javascript.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> 2. Should be relatively easy to contribute to. (Not by anyone and everyone, but by people with the skill set)

would a redesign be a facelift or back end change from scratch)

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I had made a comprehensive block system for the current site that can be used. And people did indeed make new pages with it.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Plowsof, that's the next question.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Its not anymore. Its just not deployed

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> monero-project/monero-site #2310

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> So for now just think of the question as "redesign of UI and IA"

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Regardless, I think things are undeniably in the affirmative.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> We have a ccs proposal for a redesogn

<c​hch3003:monero.social> Here is the Figma I used figma.com/design/yT4JTUfvBkAsBDPNPJ…pt?node-id=0-1&t=EVUALdaExON6nIQI-0

<c​hch3003:monero.social> It can be forked and improved over

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Meaning we won't have this conversation again. ;)

im not convinced on needing a back end from scratch yet, but see the benefits of UI/IA improvements

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> And if people complain we can say the Website Workgroup has all agreed in this direction.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/450

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ofrnxmr yes this is janaka CCS but afaik chch3003 also requested the help of a designer

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> 2nd order of business. Backend. Another thing discussed a lot so we'll keep it short.

<b​asses:matrix.org> Actually, this made remeber about the stance Tor took to promote it self away from "bad" people. support.torproject.org/#misc_misc-14

<b​asses:matrix.org> >We're looking for more good examples of Tor users and Tor use cases. If you use Tor for a scenario or purpose not yet described on that page, and you're comfortable sharing it with us, we'd love to hear from you.

<b​asses:matrix.org> >and their FAQ about abuse support.torproject.org/abuse

<b​asses:matrix.org> We have seen some bad PR directed at Monero recently, this might help?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> The one thing that is an order of practicality when discussing Jekyll, Hugo, and Astro is who will be doing the work and who will be maintaining?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> As far as I see, we have a person ready and awaiting funding to do things in Astro.

<c​hch3003:monero.social> Yes indeed, if we reopen the CCS I will need some help from a designer

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I can give this help.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I could contribute since I know astro (cuprate site written in Astro at cuprate.or)

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> dictionary: maintainer around here just means person merging

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Doing the work = coordinating and contributing

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Do we have anyone ready and waiting for money to do things in Hugo?

<b​asses:matrix.org> fix link

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> cuprate.org my bad

not that im aware of. rottenwheel is raising money to fund a team of devs to convert jekyll->hugo , dont know what team he plans on using

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Or Jelyll, for that matter?

<r​brunner7:monero.social> SyntheticBird: Two quick sentences how it went with Astro? Thumbs up? Thumbs down?

<c​hch3003:monero.social> Need people reviewing/rewriting content seriously

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I can help with this as well.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> This was my first experience with a JS Framework. Absolutely loved it, this was a flawless learning curve. Very good docs and worked exactly as I imagined it

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> I'll help with content as well

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> We need someone to merge our reviews / rewrites in less than 2 months

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I'm also not a professional IA person, but my (self-assessed) skills are competent.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> ofrn we get it, youve said it plenty of times

<b​asses:matrix.org> can vouch, cypherstack.com/design-studio.html have great designers, I guess the designers are still working at CypherStack, right?

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Who has summoned me in here?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Yep. Me and my wife. ;)

<c​hch3003:monero.social> IA ?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Not divorced so we good

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> and people are still asking, including you, why roadmap is in 2023

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Interface Accessiblity ?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Information architecture.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> oh

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> and people are still asking, including you (@mb), why roadmap is in 2023

<c​hch3003:monero.social> Alright

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Plow

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Digilol people might. Cc. Siren Stnby

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> > <p​lowsof> not that im aware of. rottenwheel is raising money to fund a team of devs to convert jekyll->hugo , dont know what team he plans on using

thanks

<c​hch3003:monero.social> The Figma and Github proposal has some info on the new proposed IA, sitemap

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And? Do we have a maintainer yet?

<b​asses:matrix.org> I haven't seen a mature site using Hugo, usually it is just blog websites unlike Astro

i suggest we show luigi there is a functioning site group with some more rmerges/reviews on open issues/PR's. one round of which has been done already with hardenedsteel / ofrnxmr

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> you constantly throwing it into unrelated discussion doesnt make it happen faster

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> alright stop flame right here

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> How is it unrelated

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> please ofrn don't respond

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> monerobull ignore

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> S0meone asked for more work to be done

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Regarding maintainer, this will happen faster now that I'm present.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> cant work without a maintainer 💀

<c​hch3003:monero.social> Should we reopen repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/450 ?

<c​hch3003:monero.social> If so, are you ok with the milestones?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> If I may be blunt, ill kick Luigi in the shins and he listens 80% of the time

otherwise his same comments could apply to any proposed re-opening of janakas ccs

<b​asses:matrix.org> I think Astro is capable of building the whole Monero website including docs using starlight.astro.build instead of mkdocs if it fits all the needs

<b​asses:matrix.org> required for the current docs

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Literally one of the reasons he asked me to open my proposal

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I actually have done some docs on Starlight and I've to say i'm not fan of the layout

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> but its just my opinion

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> we need an _active_ maintainer, not one that needs to be pinged. Are you going to request merge power and keep up with prs?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Geonic will whine so probably not, no.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> merge powers are not on the table

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> We'll try it the new way with me pinging Luigi and getting responses and reasses after a bit.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> ? Yes they are

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> fair enough

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> if nobody else wants to do it, i'll volunteer

.merges

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> If it's not working, we go to core with demands for power.

<c​hch3003:monero.social> It can build docs, but without JS we can't have a search feature.

<c​hch3003:monero.social> Maybe docs should be a separate project with JS allowed.

the best we can offer is access to a list of numbers on irc

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> we dont need docs on the main site

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> can use a subdomain for that

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> There is even a static offline search feature in starlight

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> so people don't freakout communicating or whatever

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Anyway, for the top-level, general technology / framework question, I think how we do docs is only a side-question.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Thats why we have Monero Docs

md.monerodevs.org is how we'll do docs (i think)

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Docs.getmonero.org coming soon™

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Also different workgroup github.com/monero-project/monero-docs

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Alright so if I understood correctly Diego, me, janaka are for Astro and rotten is having a team for migrating hugo

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> how are we supposed to take this kind of decisions

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Well, given the Astro is a "for sure" pending CCS, and Hugo is a maybe, we move forward on Hugo.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Let's be honest. Both will serve our needs.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> At some point someone just gotta say "this one"

<r​brunner7:monero.social> I hope that "translator to Hugo" project does not seriously propose to migrate the website as-is? I honestly think such an approach would be a mistake.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> what does *moving forward on* mean ?

<c​hch3003:monero.social> I don't get it either

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Even "translate to Astro" would be a mistake, IMHO. We need a fresh start out on a green field, without legacies

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> rbrunner7 for sure

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Diego hasn't responded in 20 seconds he is probably dead

<r​brunner7:monero.social> "we move forward on Hugo" Err... move forward on Astro, surely?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Sec

Hugo has fallen over and we're stepping over him, moving forward

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Oh alright make more sense thx

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Oops. Meant move forward on Astro

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Sorry.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> THATS EVEN WORSE WHAT ARE WE SUPPOSED TO UNDERSTAND

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> My proposal after hearing what we've been discussing is the following

<c​hch3003:monero.social> It means let's go with Astro kkk

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Brand new website. New UI. New IA. Plan to make it in Astro. Plan to reopen chch3003 CCS for construction. I'll assist with the design and IA. Content writers cam be recruited from here.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> sounds good

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> That covers the "who", "when", "how", "in what language", etc

<c​hch3003:monero.social> Sounds good

<c​hch3003:monero.social> Reopen and merge

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> after a small review tho

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> its community money after all. won't be long

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Update prices for current Monero prices.

<c​hch3003:monero.social> The review should have been done in preparation of this meeting but ok

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Ill have Luigi reopen

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> President Diego do we have any other topics in mind ?

<c​hch3003:monero.social> Alright

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> One last one. Given a new website is imminent, updating the current one obviously drops in importance.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> wen deploy

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Besides any releases that happen which obviously need to be updated ASAP, are there any things in particular any of you feel should be up there?

<c​hch3003:monero.social> Well.. I would not say imminent

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Beyond current merges waiting for deployment.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Cant just abandon outdated content on current site

<b​asses:matrix.org> perfecto

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Imminent meaning inevitable. Sorry.

<c​hch3003:monero.social> Current proposal is English only

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> we definitely need translations

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> update the roadmap on the website at least

im still going through the current content on site and updating translations plowsof/monero-site #28

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> at least spanish, russian and chinese

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Its updates

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Losing current translation work is unavoidable with a new site, yes.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> It needs to be deployed

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> ^

<b​asses:matrix.org> yep should support translations and RTL layout

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> deploy what ofrn

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Let me ping Luigi and bf and see if I can't get a date for deployment.

current translation work shouldn't be unavoidable

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> the website..

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Alright. No further topics from me. Anyone else?

po4a just needs to be pointed at markdown files

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I think its a question of wenb18.3.4 as well, bcuz bf doesnt like to deploy too often

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Can we make a temporary github repository for discussion ?

<b​asses:matrix.org> what is the fate of Weblate? is there going to be a sysadmin?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> or keep logs

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> So if 1834 is coming soon, probably| waiting for that. If not soon, we should do another round of merges and deploy

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Small proposal. Publish meeting logs somewhere. Retro-open a meta issue for this meeting and post the log there.

<b​asses:matrix.org> will be like meta issues repo I think

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Monerologs has -site

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Discussions has been opened on the github repo for -site

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Let's adjourn the meeting and discuss this after.

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Yes, I now about monerologs. And I wouldn't want to rely on it to be still around in 5 years or so.

<c​hch3003:monero.social> Alright, see you later guys

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Alright. Meeting adjourned.

<b​asses:matrix.org> plowsof

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Nobody knows who manages monerologs

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I hope you guys feel it was as productive as I promised.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> as such, weve been unable to add any new rooms to it

<s​needlewoods:monero.social> thanks everyone for working on this and gj diego

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Wut, so it's astro like that? No vote held?

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Haha.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Diego Salazar it was perfect. Just don't forget the usual *1. Greetings* at the beginning

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Thanks to everyone for attending.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Meeting sucked. I want my money back.

events is a new recent edition to monerologs at least

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Its the same thing we started with

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> consensus seemed pretty conclusive

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> im biased so yes there was definitely a consensus in between the 40~50 voices in my head

<r​brunner7:monero.social> "Brand new website. New UI. New IA. Plan to make it in Astro. Plan to reopen chch3003 CCS for construction. I'll assist with the design and IA. Content writers cam be recruited from here. " Has "Astro" in there. 6 upvotes, zero downvotes. With Monero people, it doesn't get more like a vote than that.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Sounds like the same vote as the ccs had before it was closed

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Im utterly surprised that we voted the same way here as we did on the ccs /a

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> ./s*

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And still dont have a maintainer 🚀

archive monero-site repo then?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> As a completely narcisstic sysadmin, I would like librejo to be linked on the new website..

<b​asses:matrix.org> ???

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> For some it was a waste of time, some were not happy with the outcome, and for most it was good.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Every monero meeting ever ^

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> plowsof make sense but not yet, lets first organize everything first

<b​asses:matrix.org> can't please everyone

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> synthetic, i wanted to ask. What os your commitment to librejo?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> my commitment, wdym ?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> how much can we trust that it will remain live "forever"*

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> oh

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> *naphtha* is enough of a response i hope

<b​asses:matrix.org> oh hell naw

<b​asses:matrix.org> please no kyun people

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Sounds good

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> LMAO

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Kyun vps*. Nap is sponsoring from behind the ban wall.

<b​asses:matrix.org> overlaping with monero community will cause WW3

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> no kyun in chat, just saying Im hosting librejo on it. That can also change but I would need some money for that

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Its fitting the need perfectly at the moment

syntheticbird could you add townforge to librejo?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> is townforge still going?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> plowsof yeah sure

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> librejo seems to work well. (forgejo)

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> huh

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> not right now

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> in tuesday I will be able to

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Yes

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Townforge

<b​asses:matrix.org> I thought a susadmin from kyun (yes, I have written it on purpose not a typo)

mooo said he wasnt aware of any public backups so it'd be welcomed, thanks

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Alright. Who wanted to discuss Weblate?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I think pretty much everyone

<b​asses:matrix.org> meeting not over yet?

#monero-translations has been waiting almost 2 years for the chance :D

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> it is over

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> meeting si over

<b​asses:matrix.org> because it is so meee

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> this is after meeting content

hallway chat

<b​asses:matrix.org> 😔

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> meeting's dessert

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Syn, why'd you leave townforge right after joining 😆

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> i invited you for the same thing plowsof just asked

i think the old content if carried over would allow translations to be carried over too

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> i dont remember having joined

<b​asses:matrix.org> can we host it on hosted.weblate.org? or just pay for subscription

<b​asses:matrix.org> hopefully after that translation workflow isn't an issue or we will wait another 2 years for that too

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I sent you an invited, and it says you accepted and joined > then left

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I invited because i wanted to know if mirroring on forgejo is ok

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> oh

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> well sorry i dont remember but yeah i'll add it next week

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> sorry, give me 5 min. Something came up. Will return to discuss weblate

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Are we green lighted to use it for personal projects?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Isnt that a discussion for -translate

<b​asses:matrix.org> librejo.monerodevs.org

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> -translations? -localization? I dont remember the room id

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> i don't know what green ligthed means but yes you can use it for personal projects. I even added Github Oauth2 so that people don't have to register

<b​asses:matrix.org> matrix.to/#/%23monero-translations%…rk&via=matrix.org&via=monero.social

<b​asses:matrix.org> u are the one running it?

<b​asses:matrix.org> librjo

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Yes syn runs it

<b​asses:matrix.org> We might have found the chosen one for Weblate 😂

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Yes. I've spent 2 days customizing the css to give it a monero theme please use it

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I can do sysadmin work

<b​asses:matrix.org> haven

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Ok. What's the deal with weblate?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> it's not working? Nobody reviews?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I don't understand either

<b​asses:matrix.org> haven't seen a monero project that is responsive, functional and looks great

xmrscott has volunteered to do translation coordination on weblate

<b​asses:matrix.org> since when

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I dont think he volunteered, i think he wanted 40hrs/week

<b​asses:matrix.org> translate.getmonero.org tell me what you see

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> it's currently down. Got it.

<b​asses:matrix.org> This have been the case for almost 2 years

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I thik it has always been done

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> yeah lol

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Translation ccs' were killed

<b​asses:matrix.org> so obviously no one can contribute, I have a lot of people asking on its matrix room why it is down and they couldn't submit translations

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Let me get info from Dan and see where we're at.

<b​asses:matrix.org> like 10-15 people

<b​asses:matrix.org> so it seems a crucial project to not leave it dead

<b​asses:matrix.org> for any longer

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> You got it.

<b​asses:matrix.org> .

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Well

<b​asses:matrix.org> .

<b​asses:matrix.org> for free

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> if were rip current website, does it make sense to dedicate resources to translating it

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> we don't pay anyway. Its important to exploit chronically online people. My name is spez btw

<b​asses:matrix.org> some people like using monero software/website in their own locale

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Cypher Stack pays pigeons' hours to take care of Monero infrastructure, but I myself rarely give Dan tasks to do for it as I figure it's website, Matrix, and other such things bf might want

question is: will the project save money by simply paying a one off setup fee 200 or 500 eur to weblate + a 50?eur/month payment

<b​asses:matrix.org> Dan the cool man

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I'm taking a bigger role in it all as of now. Didn't know weblate was down. Not acceptable for sure.

<b​asses:matrix.org> why is it that expensive lol

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> But Dan is also not super plugged in to every community thing. Still, he should have known and I should have been informed.

<b​asses:matrix.org> 50$ monthly for translations?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> he probably did know. Bur again, translations were effectively killed

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> no offense, I believe you when you say this. but this has been said like 70 times since i'm in this community

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Not just bcuz of weblate, but bcuz of politics

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> and I've been in it for two years

<b​asses:matrix.org> u sure about that pricing? I will ask Tor people to see if they are paying, they on hosted.weblate.org

not sure, probably more, as site has many strings

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I've heard the complaints about weblate, yes. Didn't know what exactly they were.

if its cheaper, then just pay weblate and let our back end admin be paid for other things

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> plowsof redditors will say the project is too centralized!

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> we need le decentralization

<b​asses:matrix.org> le translations

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Rn its super centralized. We dont even allow other languages :D lolol

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> very clever I love you rando

other issue is when people make translations they have to be reviewed, for free

<b​asses:matrix.org> getmonero.org is already using Cloudflare MITM

<b​asses:matrix.org> checkforcloudflare.selesti.com/?q=https://www.getmonero.org

otherwise they never get put on site, and i understand it, even the most trustworthy people make garbage translations sometimes

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Syn where do i msg you about slightly offtopic stuff

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Like basicswap's repo on librejo

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> If only we had a discord community, we could have give translation roles to monero users

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> gamers love color roles

<b​asses:matrix.org> you are now asking for so much lol

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> dm me ig

<b​asses:matrix.org> pretty sure you will some active monero users for each locale that mght dedicate some of their free time for reviewing langs if they want

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> You declined my dm last time 🫠, but ok

<b​asses:matrix.org> find some active*

<b​asses:matrix.org> The moment Monero opens a Discord the moment I leave!!!!!

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> no but bridged

<b​asses:matrix.org> sent to Discord FBI servers for reviewing

<b​asses:matrix.org> and sold to 3rd parties

<b​asses:matrix.org> Telegram would be slightly better but full of scammers and spammers

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I don't trust their apps security either

<b​asses:matrix.org> wonder when bridges support simplex chat

<b​asses:matrix.org> I feel simplex chat will be a feast for scammers as how it easy to create accounts and crypto bros are well aware of it

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> pigeons says it's very broken, won't import cleanly to a new instance, and needs like ten hours of manually issue fixing during import

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> When they will finally make a Rust SDK

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> (they only have a Typescript SDK)

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> erciccione was running it and left, and the upgrade to the new one didn't go well, and it won't import cleanly

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> oh no

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Theres an irc<>simplex bridge but idk where source is

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> all this to say, this becomes less of a problem since we'd be moving to a new site down the road so we can start afresh

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> its almost like when I updated librejo for the first time and postgres corrupted itself

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> took me a day to repair

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> FOSS software is pretty neat, until it isn't

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Self-hosted*

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Either way we have a couple of options

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Dont blame foss. We didnt crowdstrike

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> deploy new one, or work on uncorrupting existing one

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> SyntheticBird: would you volunteer to debug it and get it importing cleanly?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> New one probably

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I agree new one would be easiest

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> IF were swapping website for sure

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> A lot of the strings on old one are pretty terrible

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> can I connect through SSH ?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> The english strings, that is.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> access isn't needed. We can give the export, and you spin up a little instance and do an import

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> once the import finally works, do the cleaned export and we try importing that into the actual site

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> maybe I'm being naive, but would that work?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Sorry I can't access my VMs until next week

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> so no way to setup a weblate instance

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Everything for free tho. Website department is over budget.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Dan next time you open your mouth I will laugh

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I can see about setting one up for you to ssh into on one of CS servers then if that'd help

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I don't know weblate, I only have a phone, but I've a lot of time ahead of me so ig thats challenge. Tho If you have better suited people it might be preferable

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Isnt that the issue one person running weblate?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> but again, perhaps starting fresh is the thing to do regardless

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Its been down for many full moons

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Starting fresh is always the solution

<b​asses:matrix.org> we should all connect to it through SSH so it can work

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> publish ssh key on monero blockchain

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> everyone chat on txt files

<3​21bob321:monero.social> I want ps/2 keyboad and mouse connwction

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Tx_extra

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Thats what its made for

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> More seriously tho, I've never setup a weblate and I don't have access to my PC. If that isn't urgent I could look into it for next week

<b​asses:matrix.org> at least mine monero on the Weblate VPS

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> It's been down for two years. Another week or two won't hurt.

<b​asses:matrix.org> agree make it 3

<b​asses:matrix.org> I was joking please don't

<x​mrscott:monero.social> This is correct, but contingent on the existing instance being recovered to facilitate work on the existing hundreds of pending string suggestions between three projects

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Top 2 best ideas ever:

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> - Cryptomining on github actions

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> - Running a 20TB database backend on top of 5 free google accounts and google sheet

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> (these are true)

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Seraphis or weblate, who will win

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Weblate

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Midi would luv you

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> If you wait next week I can try have a look at the existing weblate instance

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> maybe repair it

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> chch3003 let me know when you're available. I'd like to discuss the sitemap on your redesign

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Also next time you have teams meeting maybe put on monero meta

<3​21bob321:monero.social> And maybe post “new website idea” github.com/monero-project/monero-site/discussions/categories/ideas

<b​asses:matrix.org> yep, might attract other people to join discussions

<3​21bob321:monero.social> ©️monero-docs idea

<c​hch3003:monero.social> Diego Salazar: Let's discuss async. I check notifications

<e​scapethe3ra:matrix.org> ofrnxmr

<e​scapethe3ra:matrix.org> > So can you really call it a meeting if monero.observer and revuo didnt know about it?

<e​scapethe3ra:matrix.org> monero.observer/monero-website-workgroup-meeting-28-july-2024

<c​hch3003:monero.social> Goat

<e​scapethe3ra:matrix.org> was announced last week^

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Fr

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> "this mfka dont miss!"

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Confirmed: escapethe3ra: is a robot

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Sounds good.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> First things first

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> chch3003: repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/450

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> this has been reopened, please adjust for current prices as necessary

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Has the scope changed?

<c​hch3003:monero.social> 160$ ?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Remember to adjust the document itself as well as the Overview.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> $160 is fine

<c​hch3003:monero.social> Ok

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> like, is it still english only

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> This is a good point. chch3003 one thing I'd ask you to add is the internationalization functionality. You obviously don't need to do the translations, but we should have the ability to get started on that right away.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Go ahead and sus that out as far as hours and extra time/funding needed for it

<c​hch3003:monero.social> I don't think it is a good idea because it is easier to iterate on the content without internationalization, without having content in a separate file.

<c​hch3003:monero.social> I think it was a good idea to restrict the scope to English only for this proposal

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Do you propose getting everything to a rock solid place and then opening a second CCS to get the i18n stuff rady

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> *ready?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Plowsof

<c​hch3003:monero.social> Yes. This proposal is the second iteration (check Github history). plowsof suggested to restrict the scope to current proposal

folder structure + po4a + config files then importing that into a weblate project

or some other alternative im not aware of (e.g. mkdocs uses pybabel / python)

the skeleton ^ can be done without accepting translations

<c​hch3003:monero.social> Well I can do it but really I think it's a mistake

as long as the content is in markdown files? it will be ok to do that later

<c​hch3003:monero.social> Or I will do it last, at the end of closing the proposal

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I think making it an extra milestone could work, yeah?

2 afternoons + 1 dream to fix translations is all i would allocate for myself to do it

translations not from the ground up is OK as enabling them later entails moving files around and using tools to set it up (in my unqualified opinion)

not actually translating anything but just getting the file structure ready / imported into weblate* sorry for spam

<c​hch3003:monero.social> Translation is a big topic that should require a few meeting on its own. My opinion is that we should tackle that later. Let's work on the English content. There is already a lot to do.

<c​hch3003:monero.social> Are we using Weblate? This crap is always down.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> It'll be fixed

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ETA is 2 week

<c​hch3003:monero.social> Let's take the opportunity to use better tools imo

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I don't know a lot about translation world

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> what software do you have in mind ?

<c​hch3003:monero.social> I know that it is a pain in the ass

<c​hch3003:monero.social> I don't have software in mind

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> But you said let's use better tools. What is better than weblate ?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> a) Skip all translations prep

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> b) Add final milestone to prep for translations

<b​asses:matrix.org> Here's the thing... I know if translations going to be a second CCS proposal no one will ever pick it up

<b​asses:matrix.org> Weblate is the best out there

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Translation ccs are not allowed either :D lol

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Great. We have two teams the ones for immediate translation and second for a separate CCS. Can we project that on the current american politic situation ?

<b​asses:matrix.org> I mean localization support for the website CCS

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> ikik. Im saying

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Fund it with current ccs

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Chch can contract someone else to do the work/final milestone

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Money on the table = incentive for someone to pick it up

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I think that is the bounty

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> My 2c

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> unrelated but bounty website could see a little improvements. Written in ruby ? really? in 2024?

<c​hch3003:monero.social> This was my first proposal with a milestone for translation repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…7a9747f5db14f26b2df47c5c694b18f0005

<c​hch3003:monero.social> Should we reopen that proposal?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Diego Salazar

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> always ping, poor diego needs the infamous notification sound

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Probably without milestone 2

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> can save the actual translations for after the website is finished, but to wire it all up / prepare it for tl and migrations = god

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> s/god/good

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> what does that syntax mean? im pretty sure its not a pronouns

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> sed "s/old/new"

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> oh alright thx

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> reeeee

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Knock down , rebuild

<3​21bob321:monero.social> This room needs a pfp to