<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> monero-project/monero #9458

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> would like to get feedback on that, its needed for the website

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Cuprate has their own website

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> They also dont have any binaries yet

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Monero cpp is a woodser project

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> monero_c is a cyjanek project

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Cuprate is rust. I imagine theyll use new names for their tooling

<a​surar0:monero.social> github.com/Cuprate/cuprate/blob/main/CONTRIBUTING.md#42-crate-names

<a​surar0:monero.social> If that may help Cuprate do have a contributing section with their naming conventions.

<a​surar0:monero.social> This may not be the appropriate channel to ask, but have Cuprate been started recently ? I've been discovered it this morning and I'm curious to know where it stands. Is it close to being finished?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> its been w while since cuprate started

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I think >1yr now

<a​surar0:monero.social> Is there a desire within the community to adopt Cuprate as a replacement for monerod?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> idk for the community but cuprate do not aim at replacing monerod. ideal would be 50% of the network. we act as a safety net.

<a​surar0:monero.social> I see. Thank you both for the answers

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> > Is it close to being finished?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> in the mid-term future yes. a pre-pre alpha binary is being tested by maintainers. You can follow meetings progress on cuprate.org

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> go check it out we've better blog than getmonero.org

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Well it is a new project with updates constantly

<b​oog900:monero.social> Also Cuprate

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Breh, did luigi really do merges and ONLY merge 1 PR

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> monero-project/monero-site #2331#event-14021324575

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Incredible

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> merge: 2352 2347 2338 2336 2335 2333 2321

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> maybe: 2318 2322 2326 2327 2334 2360

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> plowsof:

<q​uickex:matrix.org> 2318 🤝

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> #QuickexBribedMe (jk).

<q​uickex:matrix.org> bribed with good XMR rates)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Yes, they sold me 100xmr for 1ltc /s

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> (but they were actually best price on trocador)

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Criteria when?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> github.com/monero-ecosystem/outreac…-outreach-docs/fonts/monero%20fonts

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Use this for new website?

on the subject of fonts, we have svg font files, which is alien to me. apperently our css uses several font file formats as fallbacks if the browser doesnt support something, which is propobably 1980's behaviour, haven't looked into it

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> plowsof is from the 70's

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> doesnt like all this new fangled stuff

lol

probably*** wow

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Uses ascii code

<b​asses:matrix.org> svg font different from SVGs in general?

<b​asses:matrix.org> wont load on Tor browser max security level?

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> @plowsof have you considered avif instead png compression?

nope, ill test it out tomorrow probably

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> github.com/kornelski/cavif-rs

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> irigoyen.dev/blog/2021/02/11/image-fallbacks-in-css-using-supports

Total PNG size: 241050 bytes

Total AVIF size: 55347 bytes

Total size reduction: 185703 bytes

Overall percentage reduction: 77.03%

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> u can also change the compression level and quality level

using pyvips / python atm

77% seems good enough if they look ok, will push tomorrow

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> pretty sure it would look better than compressing pngs

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> pretty sure it would look better than "compressing" pngs

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> i was considering jpeg xl with fallback to avif

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> it should perform a bit better

fallbacks because avif might not be supported by some browsers?

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> no jpeg xl isnt widespread

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> avif is

oh i see

indeed caniuse.com/jpegxl

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> getmonero.org visitors should be different

so i also think the font files are sing these fallbacks

using*

i like it, as all this can be scripted

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> which code are you referring to?

adding fallbacks to the css file , conversion of the pngs->avifs

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> its also possible add to html

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> best combination imho

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> firefox get jxl, chrome get avif

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> everyone's happy

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> still on firefox its disabled by default

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> i guess u cant enable with stock firefox

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> only firefox forks such as librewolf

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> and firefox nightly

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> oh that's sad

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> safari enabled by default

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> rare safari w

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> do we have visitor statistics for the site?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Hahahah

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/PCWrmDDFDcNwCNjqZeokAoEF

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I'd hope not

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Do we have a no logs policy? 🤣

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> i dont think our stats are not 2%

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> no

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> what compatibility table is that?

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/iMbBAIkKXPdhndohROJcNZcc

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> legal.md says we'll rat

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> ops that was wrong one

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> dw

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/qWtVRfuzDpUijQaRkNAOrtDy

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> caniuse.com/?search=jpegxl

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> that is just so sad

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> the best image format on earth

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> probably we have a lot firefox users

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> yes mostly Tor/Mullvad browser I would say

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I would say there are more chromium users than stock firefox

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ok this is shocking af

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/EErQXdBZcVznGWarSWVpKBbw

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> this jxl image is 117 bytes

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ok nvm I should stop ranting about jxl on the channel

<3​21bob321:monero.social> I use stock ffs with some hardening

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Arkenfox? or custom?

added avifs to 2359 + uri changes so they appear in the preview. jpg xl -> avif fall back with @support feels like a follow up PR (site wide for every image)

in-line @support usage might be confusing, but our wallet2.css / no sass support with site about to be replaced entirely makes me want to do it anyway

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> ```html

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> <picture>

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> <source srcset='example.net/sunset.webp' type='image/webp' />

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> <img src='example.net/sunset.jpg' alt='A beautiful sunset' />

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> </picture>

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> ```

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> > In the above example, the browser will first try to render sunset.webp. If the browser doesn't support the WebP format, it will instead render the sunset.jpg.

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> no inline CSS involved

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> but its better to wait atm until the new site proposal decided

that just works and we dont need any "bootstrap" css things?

forum.bootstrapstudio.io/t/responsive-images-fallback-images/9992

browsers really are advanced huh? (i notice we still have loading=lazy dotted around site, when browsers do this by default in this century)

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> yeah no wallet2.css (or almost)

ok, thanks for sharing, food for thought this magic 'srcset'

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> what is wallet2.css?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> the name is so funny

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> our css file which is custom.css is equivalent of wallet2.cpp

heh

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> LMAO

you are meant to use "sass" which lets you have individual css files for each page. and during build time - they are combined into ^ wallet2

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> 95% of the site is just en.yml and custom.css lmao

so a designer, can easily modify the sass file and know whats modifying what. atm we have... a mess

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> im fine with css idk much about sass but custom.css is mess

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> bloated tho

sass is built into jekyll (monero.observer uses it) setting it up is the harder part but using it is simple

we use our browsers to show us what is in use , rather than the sass file, this is hard to write docs for as different browsers offer differnt dev tool features

rather than custom.css*

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> We'll not need sass for new website. Astro support scoped css by its own

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> idk if you guys think its worth investing time into sass despite new astro site incoming

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> > despite new astro site incoming

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> thats not certain

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> really?

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> is it?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> at my understanding Diego was for Astro. He is working on the design and when its completed Janaka will start writing it in Astro alongside Diego

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> lmao the amount of read receipts popping up

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> It pretty much is.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I get a ping when you guys say Diego

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Worked some more time on it today. Shaping up. I should have a front page to show soon.

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> the CCS is still in the idea stage

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> also who is Hammermann09?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> sigh, let me explain this again

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> The initial CCS proposal is kinda defunct because the proposed design by hammermann has several flaws, it was closed in favor of a new workgroup

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> the new workgroup is formed, and I'm working on the new design

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> would it cause copyright issue?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> the proposal was reopened not so it can be merged as is, but as a sort of placeholder since Janaka plans to do the work

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> But it's not going to be merged yet because he wants to see the new design first before he commits to a price as it will likely be different (more or less work than hammermann's design)

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> at this point, it's causing too much confusion. janaka I'm thinking we close the proposal and have you open a new one once the design is complete

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> how do you mean? From where?

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> monero-project/monero-site #1904 ?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Create ccs for legal slush fund

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> do we have permission from Hammermann09? so we can use his design and dont encounter copyright issues in the future

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Its in public domain?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> This is a moot point because we aren't using his design

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I'm doing a redesign from scratch

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Sorry, I can see where the confusion comes from. I wasn't very clear in this message.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> The proposed design by hammermann has several flaws, and will NOT be used

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Regarding who hammermann is, I don't know. But he's in this room.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Hammermann, my man! Shoot us a message bro.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> ©️cyherstacks grants ™️

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Also, in regards to you, never trying to shit on people who do work. I'm more than happy to give specifics and insight on improvements. :)

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> huh?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> 'you' meaning hammermann

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Ok. We all clear hardenedsteel ?

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> yes

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Neato!

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> And also yes, everything CS makes here will be public domain, obviously.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Plowsof create licence essay for web design

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> > Regarding the design aspect, this website implements the Figma design that was made roughly three years ago by Hammermann09, announced in this Reddit post.

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> The design is mostly done at 90% but there are still some tasks to address, such as the mobile menu, the blog page, the documentation, SVG images, etc.

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> I am not a web designer and I would need one somehow.

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> so is this statement outdated?

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> He's on reddit, I'm sure. Anyone can shoot him a DM.

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> > Regarding the design aspect, this website implements the Figma design that was made roughly three years ago by Hammermann09, announced in this Reddit post.

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> > The design is mostly done at 90% but there are still some tasks to address, such as the mobile menu, the blog page, the documentation, SVG images, etc.

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> > I am not a web designer and I would need one somehow.

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> so is this statement outdated?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> yes

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> @chch3003:monero.social

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Diego Salazar redlib.zaggy.nl/r/Monero/comments/p…edesign_concept_for_wwwgetmoneroorg

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> figma.com/file/yT4JTUfvBkAsBDPNPJL1…nero-Redesign-Concept?node-id=0%3A1

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Last time I shot him a PM on reddit, he created that matrix account that I am assuming he hasn't logged into in ages.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> redlib.zaggy.nl/user/Hammermann09

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> alright website workgroup its time to harass @hammermann09:matrix.org . Ping and dm them. Also link their reddit account, posts, twitter account

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I'll be back with their location

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> janaka

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> i hope new site would be separated from the Monero project repo

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I'm reading through that reddit thread

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> It'll likely be a new repository under the monero project organization

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> i prefer to be not

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> working with luigi is pain

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ig Diego could be handed merge power?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> that would solve Luigi inactivity

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Many people would not be happy with that option.

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> plowsof is better at git or ofrnxmr

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> where's geonic when you need him? he can set you straight.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> sir, I git just fine

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I'm def rusty since I've moved to mostly management at CS

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> took a bit to get the gears going

.bbl

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> *Plowsof backs away slowly* 😆

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Coolify like docs ™️?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Merge and holyshit its live in 10secs

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Still waiting on monero to be on selfhosted git

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 🥲 my domain still frozen

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> oh yes, even PRs get merged we have to wait another month to get deployed

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 2 months

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Binaryfate AND luigi both just sos merges

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Very soon ™️

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And missed 99% of them

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Binaryfate AND luigi both just did merges

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Only important stuff gets merged

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> sponsorship?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Yes

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Lol. Sponsorship was somehow the _only_ pr on the list

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Cant even delist localmonero

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> aha! I pinged him about that one specifically.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Keep for the memories

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Let me go tell him which ones specifically.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Good times

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Why would he merge ONE pr

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Thats fkn rude

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Aight plowsof come back

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> .merges

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> that never works for me :(

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> merge: 2352 2347 2338 2336 2335 2333 2321

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> maybe: 2318 2322 2326 2327 2334 2360

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> 👎️

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> you sound like mailman

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> that's not too far off from accurate yeah

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> thats not great practice, we have to fix not around them

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> thats not great practice, we have to fix not get around them

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I agree, but atm it's what we have

<3​21bob321:monero.social> I though plowsof was conscripted

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Tell him to give me merge pwr

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> if downloads are the concern then we can have downloads.getmonero.org

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Tbh need to automate shit

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Point to github for downloads

<3​21bob321:monero.social> If i randomly ask for merge on discussions i can get merge powers

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Obviously i'm not going to commit directly to the repo, merge unreviewed prs, or make judgements abt what gets merged.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Apologies guys, been working on the design so other duties falling a bit to the wayside

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I'm on getting these merged ASAP though right now

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> then back to design land

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> ofrninviziblepro

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Designing moneroland ?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Pass the msg please and thanks

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And dont merge those without plowsof's approval

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Also need hardened, plowsof, and/or yourself to look through the "maybe" list

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> doing that now

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> kinda wanna go through all the open PRs tbh

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Cant

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Already been done? If not we can do a meeting?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Too many merge conflicts

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The list i sent are the ones without conflicts

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Meeting for what. lol

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> just going through them all and recommend close or ping author or whatever

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> to figure out how many more conflicts we can create in the meantime?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> We ping author after merges

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Dont need a meeting, we just do it

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> 👍️

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Cant waste author time when merges will create a new conflict

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> i already mentioned this issue in the previous meeting but 🤷

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> for now its better to just give merge power to someone

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> yes, I recall. And I said we could discuss how to do those later. Making good on that by trying to discuss now. :)

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> trying to discuss now for a while*

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> just tell luigi to give me merge pwr and then blame me

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I told him you requested merge power

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Worry about ofrn fkups when ofrn fks up

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> when new site done we can split downloads page if thats a concern

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> rest of the website would be maintained by others

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> or git builds are also option

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I dont need to touch release prs

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Im not replacing luigi or bf

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> 2338 now has conflicrts

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> conflicts

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> luigi is on the move

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> > and then blame me

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> 🍿🍿🍿

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> guys he mergin!

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> what luigi or bf does? CCS and releases?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Fron 2333, its ok

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> hopefully author will fix

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> But luigi not supposed to merge w/o plowsof consent 🥲

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> maybe plow gave consent in pm

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> dude thanks but im really confused? how do you contact with luigi? why luigi isnt here?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> or maybe luigi is a tyrant dictator

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> no in between

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Irc dm

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> its hassle for both luigi and you right now

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> can we get this done today even right now? or at least give us a response for our concerns?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> By "this" you mean?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I asked him to pop by

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> merging open PRs and deployment issue

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Deployment happens when bF is available

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> bF doesnt like to access the server more often than necessary

luigi is here but I don't read all messages though I try to read pings (meaning if you write my full name down)

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Quick hardensteel type fast!

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> long time no see. whats up luigi1111

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> An autodeployment like coolify might work, but id want to test it thoroughly on docs first before suggesting it

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> The Luigi is a skittish creature and he'll be gone before you know it.

hey, syntheticbird, was away for 12 days or so. Plowsof at least knew about it

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> We all knew 🙃

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> cool. did you enjoy the holidays? resting is important

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> briefly we think you're so slow at merging open PRs and if you're busy we're asking you for giving someone merge powers

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> luigi1111

wasn't exactly on vacation but yes it was good

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Gone fishing ?

syntheticbird: on your question about diego. monero-project/meta #583

that sounds like vacation

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Thx bro

I'm fine with someone having merge powers but it needs to be "elected" by the fledgling "website committee" and possibly approved by me, if relevant

ok gotta run