<3​21bob321:monero.social> This doesnt aound inclusive sir

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Sound*

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Hmm. When I hit him up months ago, he set up that matrix account that is in this room and was in here for a couple weeks but then never came back.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Scared them off

<3​21bob321:monero.social> With work

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> im confused

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> so we have 3 designs?

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Looks like to me. Hammerman isn't Janaka and Diego isn't either of those two.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> do we have a link? i dont think ive seen 3 designs before

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> lol...

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> only the one from janaka ccs and diegos

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> 1) Janaka's: getmonero-unofficial-beta.vercel.app

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> 2) Hammermann09's: figma.com/file/yT4JTUfvBkAsBDPNPJL1…nero-Redesign-Concept?node-id=0%3A1

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> 3) Diego's: rimgo.hostux.net/K7Cb9cD.png; Mirror: qu.ax/qBut.png

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> There, 3 designs, 3 different people.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> ah yes of course, how could i possibly confuse these two

<3​21bob321:monero.social> janaka's seems to be the only function demo

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Janaka's is far closer to OG design than the others.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Hammerman's looks so slick though...

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> I think at this point my vote would be split between Diego's non-gradient, orangified version and Hammermann's for sure. I think I'd go for Hammerman's in the end.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Or the non-gradient, orangified one... Hmm...

<3​21bob321:monero.social> i reckon we do rock,scissors, papper

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> am i stupid or is hammermans janaka but expanded?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> trick question

<c​hch3003:monero.social> No but I just implemented Hammerman design. I didn't designed anyhing

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> My browser can't figure out how to pull up the actual design on figma, unfortunately; can only see janaka's and Diego's, though I could see Hammer's via reddit's thumbnail.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Hammer's looks pretty, advanced.

<c​hch3003:monero.social> Btw, Diego published his WIP Figma figma.com/design/OuY892nD4zD1CEQDvC…ode-type=frame&t=1Ys7v8P02IdmtYGu-0

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> monerobull: I am sure you have not seen the non-gradient, orangified version of Diego's, have you?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> yeah possibly not

<c​hch3003:monero.social> Look at Figma then

<3​21bob321:monero.social> `We can't open this file because WebGL isn't supported,` ?

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Between the meta issue shenanigans, you didn't know there were 3, just 2 designs... I can only assume you missed that alternative design too. Haha.

<c​hch3003:monero.social> Lot of confusions...

<3​21bob321:monero.social> if only there was a thing on github where you can have discussions

<3​21bob321:monero.social> oh wait there is!

<3​21bob321:monero.social> github.com/monero-project/monero-site/discussions

<3​21bob321:monero.social> mario enabled it

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> wtf is figmas problem with putting fucking () into the url

<3​21bob321:monero.social> post all the links for the design for me

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Anyways, I am adding it to issue 209's issue since making a brand-new news byte for just an image sounds unnecessarily complicated.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> That happened on Firefox. Chromium seemed to load it fine but then I just saw a bunch of very tiny thumbnails that weren't expandable, clickable. 🤷

<3​21bob321:monero.social> yeah webgl is fingerprinting for display

<3​21bob321:monero.social> naughty

<3​21bob321:monero.social> -200 for deigo

<c​hch3003:monero.social> If nobody is interested by a design contest I consider opening a Kuno

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> monerobull: done, site deployed. Find the non-gradient, orangified version. We've got 3 design mockups to choose from, and one of them has a sub-mockup/alternative. Find it in 2nd news byte [here](revuo-monero.com/weekly/issue-209).

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> That non-gradient, orangified version kinda slaps. I dig.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> image.png

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> this is hammerman

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> can you see how i was confused and thought we have 2 concepts?

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Ya, definitely would be between Hammerman's and Diego's non-gradient. 100%.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> It's because in theory they _are_ the same...

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> One came up with the mockup idea, the other implemented it, hence why Janaka would implement Diego's, or whoever else's...

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> I've got an idea. I may know of someone else who could craft a new contender. Would you guys like me to ask if they'd be interested?

<c​hch3003:monero.social> No

<c​hch3003:monero.social> Let's do an open contest

<3​21bob321:monero.social> these are the 3 yeah?

<c​hch3003:monero.social> You are asking why I would implement Diego's design?

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> The more the merrier. (??)

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Who is talking about "closed" contest at all?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> seraphis will be here before this gets done

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Pull your head out of your ass and re read what I said.

<c​hch3003:monero.social> Are you all starting the day with Ketamine?

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> No, but gladly my head is still above my shoulders, is yours?

<c​hch3003:monero.social> This is not healthy

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> I am asking if I should ask another designer to come up with another design proposal and you start talking bullshit about "open contests".

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> I wasn't the one asking if my days were started with horse tranquilizers, my guy.

<c​hch3003:monero.social> It's not bullshit. My idea is great

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> yeah contest is indeed a good idea but we'd have to give at least a month of time

<c​hch3003:monero.social> Yes, it's fine

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> For the umpteenth time, retard, I am not downvoting your "open contest" idea. I am pointing out the fact that I am asking if I should hit up another designer up, nothing to do with your elections.

<c​hch3003:monero.social> We are not in a hurry

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> How can I be not abrasive with prototypes like these...

<c​hch3003:monero.social> Don't call me retard. Maybe take some tranquilizer, it has benefits too

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Anyways, I'll go talk to her and see if she has spare time to work on this. :)

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Will certainly not invite her to this room. The spectrum is high...

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Gib me non-gradient, orangified version plz. rimgo.hostux.net/svuUuQM.png

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> dead link

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Works for me.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> ...or maybe not, what's going on, let me check.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> monerobull: try this one. qu.ax/OLtM.png

<3​21bob321:monero.social> github.com/monero-project/monero-site/discussions/2372 Here

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> I guess I'll get some pushback on this but....

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> I've been thinking about the website, and my thoughts are as follows:

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> Because of Monero's uncompromising pursuit of privacy for over 10 years, we've already established an ethos of "we don't give a fuck". We're at a point where our branding and tonality is not crucial to the project's success. With this in mind, we should aim to have the most open and friendly "official" website possible, to welcome anyone and everyone to the project. We're already <clipped message>

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> dominant on the darknet, and we don't need to reflect that in our branding.

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> So, my thoughts are that we should stick with the current sitemap and design of the website. We could make some improvements in terms of text, illustrations, videos, and possibly other elements. However, I haven't been following this closely, so excuse my ignorance—what issues do we currently have with the website? Seeing how slow things are progressing here, and nobody agreeing<clipped message>

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> on pretty much anything, wouldn't it be more time-saving and cost-effective to focus on what we have? Why fix something that isn't broken? What are we trying to achieve, and can we not do that by working with the website as it is?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> dark mode and i8n i think

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> I know many people have already invested a lot of time into this but I agree with vosot, the current site needs darkmode and some changes (like that one big block of text on the homepage, culling of moneropedia, etc) but overall it is a very friendly and unique look.

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/450

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> we need people to make PR's and review them (whether the site looks nice or note)

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> s/note/not

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> the designs ive seen do not look insanely different, i still see the original getmonero site in there, just with some pretty colours and improvements to how info is displayed

<system> file image.png too big to download (4828908 > allowed size: 1000000)

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> image.png

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> off topic but man, you can really tell a lot about a crypto project based on whether they put the price ticker on their site or not

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> tron is probably the worst out of all, ugly ass website plus a whole price chart haha

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/AnNIxpWSQaCIJrqhMwhejhzi

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> you can really see where the focus lies haha

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> well, kaspas box to buy the coin directly from the website is also terrible

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i get it for thorchain because decentralized swapping is literally what they do

<3​21bob321:monero.social> we are having a restructure, you position is under review. The committe will get back to you soon with their decision.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> figma.com/community/plugin/1219369440655168734/penpot-exporter

<3​21bob321:monero.social> "This plugin can convert a Figma file into a Penpot compatible format. This will generate a .zip file that you can import into Penpot."

another upvote for the new website just rolled in hundehausen awarded an emoji 👍 on MergeRequest repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/450

<b​asses:matrix.org> can we find a better term than "housekeeping"? github.com/monero-project/monero-site?tab=readme-ov-file#housekeeping. I feel like th readme is a mess.

<b​asses:matrix.org> avax.network looks very close to Diego design

<b​asses:matrix.org> at least the hero

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> funnily enough, one of my least favorite ones

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> its too dark and feels "hostile"

<b​asses:matrix.org> what's you fav?

<b​asses:matrix.org> even if it is not included in the pic u sent

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> phew

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> idk, i like the vibe of the blur site but probably cant do that without javascript p

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> idk, i like the vibe of the blur site but probably cant do that without javascript

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> dot link and ada are all so mega corporate

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i guess eth is pretty good

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> stellars initial headline is nice but then the whole site is just a wall of text

<b​asses:matrix.org> cyperpunk theme lol

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> yeah i like the retro-synthwave stuff

<b​asses:matrix.org> looks like a fashion website

<3​21bob321:monero.social> reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/1felb8…f_getmoneroorg_looking_for_feedback

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Comments not goinf well

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Going*

<b​asses:matrix.org> I agree with monero.town/post/4289749/5870296

<b​asses:matrix.org> >The only real criticism is that white text on black “burns my eyes” and is harder to read, so I’d much rather an off white font is used.

<b​asses:matrix.org> take a look at font color here privacyguides.org/en/basics/why-privacy-matters

<b​asses:matrix.org> easy on the eyes

<b​asses:matrix.org> >Dark themes remind me of sinister and nefarious dealings. I never have liked them and wouldn't buy into whatever they are selling. You don't want a theme that turns people off.

<b​asses:matrix.org> lol

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Pg uses ghost?

<b​asses:matrix.org> for blog, mkdocs for general website

<b​asses:matrix.org> actually not anymore

<b​asses:matrix.org> blog is a mkdocs plugin

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Tor friendly link?

<b​asses:matrix.org> mkdocs material*

<b​asses:matrix.org> 🤷

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Did u visit over vpn or clear?

<b​asses:matrix.org> vpn

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Still blocked?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> still getting ddosed

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> its only like 1$ per tb

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Caching?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Per 5tb**

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> didnt monerica get hit with like 700 TB

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> $140 with no caching

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Create kuno!

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> undefined risk

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> we dont like undefined risk, it means infinite downside

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> we dont like undefined risk, it means infinite potential downside

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/PnBelLevdptyvvQskeQzEMjf

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Rate limiting, even cf captcha

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> There are plenty of things can be done that change "infinite" to "limited"

<c​hch3003:monero.social> monerobull: The link to Diego design in Monero Town is broken. Should link to Figma.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> but figma is broken

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> it puts stupid () in the URL

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> so that breaks markdown

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Me when I pay half a million dollar (vercel) to run pure bloated web page (nextJS) while automating with the worst programming language on earth (python) all to pushes my ridiculous achievements to a useless db wrapper (supabase)

<3​21bob321:monero.social> ^

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Also coolify is a thing

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> needs janaka to implement it for it to host as a website, no?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> For diego to use penpot?

<c​hch3003:monero.social> monerobull: I think it could be solved if diego rename the file "Monero-Website-Redesign-2024-(Copy)"

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> indeed

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I come back after 4 days and thats what Im greeted with ? Confusion in chat?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> welcome back

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I love you monerobull

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> aww

<3​21bob321:monero.social> You been here before sir?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Its part of our decoy algorithm

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> lmao

<3​21bob321:monero.social> One of us is the true spend

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> As a good decoy I would tend towards saying I'm the true spend

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Doxed

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> fuck

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> for the record, I'm trying to help monerobull here. He is really not uniform with rest of us decoys

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> what

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ssshhhh. chainanalysis will get you're the true output

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Broken the rings

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Use my node

<c​hch3003:monero.social> Regarding design, I think we should be light-mode first. It is cleaner, more profesional, less shitcoin vibes.

amen

<c​hch3003:monero.social> As lot of people on Reddit say

I agree with v​ostoemisio 's perspective is one of the issues with the current website translations, and if so, can this be corrected without building a new site?

The proposed correction is to delete everything and start over for various reasons

plowsof: can this be done with the current site?

nioCat: sorry there was consensus that we're making a new site. you didn't see the upvotes?

I am not allowed a vote?

ofc everyone wants new, it's over a year old

rotten said something about a new design being slick

no, you missed the deadline. consensus is always something achieved in the past.

oh right, I forgot

I am just one of the ignorant masses but I do have an opinion lol

new or old v​ostoemisio 's perspective is very good

I agree with vosto as well and it pretty much matches with what I said at the last meeting

but I think he missed the consensus forming period too

ok let me try grammar

whether making a new site or keeping the old one, v​ostoemisio 's perspective is very good

language is hard

I mean difficult

redesign should include cats

"What are we trying to achieve?" is the key question imo

luigi1111 what's the purpose of the redesign? you gave the marching orders no?

I did not. There was a CCS for that. Then the website committee was commissioned (by me).

or was forming (reviving) the website workgroup a response to janaka's proposal

right, ok

<b​asses:matrix.org> hey guys, just a reminder that you will never please anyone.

<b​asses:matrix.org> everyone

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Yeah, never pleasing anyone would be awfully depressing :)

<r​brunner7:monero.social> nioCat, where can I find v​ostoemisio's perspective? Maybe I don't know where to look, but could not find it

<b​asses:matrix.org> rbrunner7

<b​asses:matrix.org> I don't understand how people concluded that dark theme = evil, darknet etc

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Thanks, rando. Matrix web client was too dumb to locate that with its search function ...

scroll up a bit...

zoom out

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Expand window

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> get a second monitor

rbrunner7 <v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> I guess I'll get some pushback on this but....

I've been thinking about the website, and my thoughts are as follows:

Because of Monero's uncompromising pursuit of privacy for over 10 years, we've already established an ethos of "we don't give a fuck". We're at a point where our branding and tonality is not crucial to the project's success. With this in mind, we should aim to have the most open and friendly "official" website possible, to welcome anyone and everyone to the project. We're already dominant on the darknet, and we don't need to reflect that in our

branding.

So, my thoughts are that we should stick with the current sitemap and design of the website. We could make some improvements in terms of text, illustrations, videos, and possibly other elements. However, I haven't been following this closely, so excuse my ignorance—what issues do we currently have with the website? Seeing how slow things are progressing here, and nobody agreeing on pretty much anything, wouldn't it be more time-saving and

cost-effective to focus on what we have? Why fix something that isn't broken? What are we trying to achieve, and can we not do that by working with the website as it is?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Issues w current site

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 1. No dark mode

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 2. Poor content

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 3. Difficulty of contributing + translation strings and structure are a total mess

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Things ppl agree on

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 1. Want a dark mode option

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 2. Want to be able to do translations

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 3. Content needs to be improved and easy to maintain

<c​hch3003:monero.social> I am not against dark mode but I think light mode is more important actually

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I mean, people _want_ a dark mode

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Not dark-only

so what we need is dark mode option, easy translations and be able to maintain content easily

is the current site able to do this and if so what would be required vs a new site?

thx for entertaining my ignorance