<m​onerobull:matrix.org> braindead

<b​asses:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/SyORPUIqtZAxNQcShtYdLgdz

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Add them to sponsors page?

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> needs animation

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…oad/xmr.mx/rcheQBnLXwyxVUtItDwATKjH

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> monero.town/post/4289749?sort=Top

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> comments split into keep the old site and hammermann's design

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Tor link pls

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> How are ppl even commenting if it blocks tor? From other instances?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Sounds like an echo chamber if its only unprotected/vpn users

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> lemmy.cafe/post/7897661

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> ~~monero.town/post/4289749?sort=Top~~

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> lemmy.cafe/post/7897661?sort=Top

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> comments split into keep the old site and hammermann's design

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> lemmy.cafe/post/7897661?sort=Top

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i know you and rotten are salty about that

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i cant do a whole lot to change it, sorry

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Im not salty

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> i don't use clearnet or vpn honeypots, so i cannot access monero.town

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> When ppl post links that cannot be accessed, i ask for a link that works

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> You could like, unban tor 🔥.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> bandwidth is only an issue if youre paying for it (servers.guru is offering unlimited). The lemmy UI crashing should be fixable as well.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> there is also rate limiting etc.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> to say theres nothing that can be done is to imply that every other service under ddos is running on fluffyunicorn magic

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> But cest la vie. Ive accepted that .town is a walled garden and simply request that ppl send links that actually work when accessed in a private manner

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Well Lemmy UI is just terrible software

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> is there a Github issue about it?

<b​asses:matrix.org> u torifying your whole device or using Tor browser?

<b​asses:matrix.org> because your ISP knows you are using Tor 24/7

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> tor 24/7 is recommended

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Good

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> turn on tor once in a blue moon, friday night, for a 20 minute window

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I torrify certain apps

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Just to send a monero tx, then turn it ofd again /s. (this is why "built in tor" is fkn retarded for wallets)

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> i definitely dont torrify all apps. That would lead to leaking private info over exit nodes

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I have clearnet web browsers for local searches etc, and proxied web browsers for monero etc stuff

<b​asses:matrix.org> to be on the list

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Tor on the fly is the easiest way to get hit with timing attacks

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Especially if using exit nodes

<b​asses:matrix.org> VPN -> Tor is a lot better a stealthier

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 24/7 or youre kinda stupid

<b​asses:matrix.org> VPN -> Tor is stealthier

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Your own hosted vpn? Or using another honeypot service provider? lolz

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Telling my isp that im using mullvad >> mullvad controls me entry to tor = retarded

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Using a vps as a vpn? Same cloud backdoored nonsense

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> ill just connect directly to tor _myself_, thank. I dont need to trust a second backdoored network or device to manage my connections for me

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Using my cousins computer as my vpn? Lol, rip cuzzie

<b​asses:matrix.org> selfhosted VPN bad for privacy

<b​asses:matrix.org> why?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Would you trust me enough to vpn into my home network through my desktop computer, before accessing tor?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> no? Yea, i wouldnt trust you to use my network either. I'm not going to jail 4 you, which is why i dont host an exit node either

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> but you'd trust proton/mullvad

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> All vpn = bad for privacy. Cloud worse than self hosted

<b​asses:matrix.org> would you trust a company thaat is transparent, open source and providers a private way to pay (Monero)? or your shady ISP that is known to sell your data to third parties and in bed with gov?

<b​asses:matrix.org> you? No. A VPN company like Mullvad, yes

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> do you really think mullvad isnt in bed with your isp and the feds? Lok

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> How do you connect to mullvad without them knowing who connected? Rofl

<b​asses:matrix.org> elaborate

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Id rather connect to tor than to mullvad. At least my isp cant be in bed with tor

<b​asses:matrix.org> you can't be sure they are either

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> You connect over clearnet to mullvad. They know exactly why paid that monero bill

<b​asses:matrix.org> ISP is known it be full of sh*t, leaks, privacy policy etc

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And your isp knows exactly who you connected to

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Using mullvad is like using changenow over clearnet.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> using tor is like using atomic swaps

<b​asses:matrix.org> that's how internet works, you also trust your entry node. Lets say 80% of Tor nodes are compromised, you are literally f*ked

<b​asses:matrix.org> deanon easily

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 100% of mullvad nodes are compromised

<b​asses:matrix.org> but if you connected it a VPN it might protect if they are truely keep no log

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And 100% of mullvad exits are as well

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Lmao

<b​asses:matrix.org> but if you connected to a VPN it might protect you if they are truely keep no log

<b​asses:matrix.org> source?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> is mullvad 1 company?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Does mullvad follow the law?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> does protonmail follow the law?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> yes

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Both will snitch on you faster than you can say "rat!"

<b​asses:matrix.org> does the law fk with Tor?

<b​asses:matrix.org> yes

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And how does that make mullvad better than tor? Hm?

<b​asses:matrix.org> is Tor made by U.S navy?

<b​asses:matrix.org> yes

<b​asses:matrix.org> same mindset

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Its adding a hole to an already leaky boat

<b​asses:matrix.org> funded by U.S gov

<b​asses:matrix.org> yes

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Not even. Tor isnt a registered company with custodial (by design) servers

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> also, again, i dont use tor exit/entry nodes for personal anything

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> easy way to get MITM if you (or a service) slips up and doesnt use https

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Like monero rpc is easy to MITM over tor. which is why i use (lan) node or onion/i2p

<a​shven:matrix.org> Hi

<a​shven:matrix.org> to use Monero on element client what is the server address

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> monero.social

<a​shven:matrix.org> Thanks

<a​shven:matrix.org> Is this is the main channel or I can find other

<b​asses:matrix.org> #monero:monero.social main

<a​shven:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/nJLjjUKUSHRNaEYRNhBkpDqG

<a​shven:matrix.org> I get this message

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> There is a waiting room

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The room is temporarily "invite only" due to spam

<b​asses:matrix.org> invited u

"How does Monero have value? Monero has value because people are willing to buy it. If no one is willing to buy Monero, then it will not have any value. Monero’s price increases if demand exceeds supply, and it decreases if supply exceeds demand." Maybe this part of FAQ should mention what people may want buy monero for using it as a MoE?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> that wording is terrible anyway

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Monero has value because people exchange goods, services, and other currencies for it at whatever rate they feel is adequate.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> it doesnt have value because it is bought. It inherits value from value of other goods (including fiat) and services that it is exchanged for

so the dollar inherits value from the value of the toilet paper I buy with it?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The opposite

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> lol

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Every traded good (dollars and toilet paper) are weighed against one another

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Dollars have lost value vs toilet paper, as you constantly get less toilet paper per dollar

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> a similar example would be btc:xmr

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> if you use btc to exchange into xmr, xmr absorbs the value of the btc (at the rate it was exchanged)

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> if 20 packs of tp = 170 usd, but i can buy 30 packs of the same tp for 1xmr, that 1 xmr isnt worth 170usd, but 255usd.