<t​he-whocrazy76:matrix.org> I don't have a mobile phone, I refuse to use one, just a desktop computer running windows 10

<i​udfasjdjf:luc.cat> why don't you use a mobile phone? mobile phones are the best things in the world

<i​udfasjdjf:luc.cat> and why do you use windows 10? you should use GNU/Linux distros or freebsd/openbsd instead because it is better.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Any of those have good accessibility?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Bro spawn in the channel and instantly say to a blind person he never talked to either buy a phone or install OpenBSD (a fucking server distribution). Are you drunk?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> No

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> He's a spammer

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> oh alright

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> muted

<i​udfasjdjf:luc.cat> OpenBSD is a server distro but it is good for desktop use too. And how do you know he is not using his computer as a server to host something or smth like that?

<i​udfasjdjf:luc.cat> phones are better than computers

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Say to a blind person thats not in the chat anymore

<i​udfasjdjf:luc.cat> phones are like 10x better than computers

<i​udfasjdjf:luc.cat> phones are so good

<i​udfasjdjf:luc.cat> i like using mobile phones

02:32 <m-relay> <c​hch3003:monero.social> Regarding design, I think this is the best decision today, because it has become clear that this group can't take any decision, is unable to be productive, so let's stick with current design for now. And we can iterate carefully, slowly, on

^ the community prefers the current design, it has nothing to do with this workgroup

and we’re still waiting to hear the benefits of changing the backend

aside from ensuring full employment of course

<b​asses:matrix.org> nymtech.net wow looks slick

<b​asses:matrix.org> even got monero theme

<b​asses:matrix.org> Diego Salazar

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> we're still waiting?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I literally answered this question and gave reasons.

unless I’ve missed your github comment?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> LOL?

you answered by saying “there were discussions on irc”

lol

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I even resummarized those discussions on irc just for your convenience

is it too much to ask for a github issue about a technical change such as this one?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Probably not, but when the person telling you to do it is inflammatory, argues in bad faith, brain dead, and disruptive for ongoing work, you wonder why you have to feed to the trolls and stoop to their every demand.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Is this ad hominem? Probably, yeah. All true btw. But ad hominem, so I will rebut with actual content.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Github conversations are not the be all and end all of where decisions are made.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> IRC/Matrix conversations are just as valid. Especially by actual implementors.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I, too, get annoyed when people reference IRC conversations and don't do the work of digging up the logs for people who weren't there.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> But I personally do accept evidence from people who reach back and show logs from IRC. So, at the very least, even if you disagree, I'm internally consistent.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> That you don't accept the logs even when provided is a you thing.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I conceded that past meetings were not marketed well, were not conveyed to the public well of when they would happen. So I asked and made sure this past meeting was vocalized and had an up to date github issue.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> The people came were the people that came.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> You and I won't ever really see eye-to-eye on this issue though. Because what it comes down to is I think bringing the entire community in on every little thing grinds any sort of progress to a stand-still.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Not because of differing views, mind you, but because there will always be someone who feels they didn't get to weigh in (why didn't you post this on Reddit? Where was the twitter post? I can't make Saturdays blah blah blah)

It seems you’re still upset at me for getting you fired. It’s causing you to act irrational and petulant. Remember when I said your dark-mode-only design isn’t going to fly? Your response was “the community wants dark mode”. Turns out the community doesn’t. In a previous meeting I asked you to try and refresh the current design. You

ignored me then but this is exactly what you’re doing now. So who’s brain dead?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I think if there is general social and political will from the people inside of a workgroup (which I define as the people in the correct channels that actively contribute) then I think that's enough to generally move forward.

I don’t remember you providing logs, you just said that you “resummarized those discussions for my convenience”. So will you act in good faith towards the community that’s paying you and actually post a summary on github where people can chime in without having to sift through endless ramblings?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Ah, now that I've had some time to think, I actually do have a pushback to your "the community doesn't want dark mode, see why it's valuable to listen to me?" thing

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> if you actually read what most of the comments are, it's not "dark mode bad", it's "not broke, don't fix"

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> there are a few "no dark mode" yes. There are a few "cool dark mode" too, yes

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Janaka changed their mind, sure. As people definitely can do, from time to time.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> But your assertion that "see? nobody wanted dark mode as a new website" isn't correct.

Sure, whatever makes you feel better. I’m not going to argue with your reality distortion field.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> In addition, I keep having to reiterate this (points for you on the braindead scale), I wasn't trying to railroad my design through. I was trying to make a design that I would then present to the workgroup and community at large for consideration.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> whether it was to be "the one" didn't mater

I’m also going to reiterate that until you post a github issue outlining the reasons we need to change the backend or the website you’re not acting in good faith.

of the website*

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I scrolled up, did replies of the comments, copy and pasted the exact comments in case it didn't work for IRC people, etc.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> The who? He only quotes a single person message. Lol. Smh.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> and in response to "In a previous meeting I asked you to try and refresh the current design. You ignored me then but this is exactly what you’re doing now."

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> yes because you alone don't tell me what to do

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Calls it 'a community' and it's just him and Janaka. 🤣

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> after this past meeting, the workgroup decided that was the way forward

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> no just you

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> What a clown... Why are we even giving him any attention any more?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> funnily enough, if we were actually to tally, I'd say hammerman's design isn't that far behind "not broke, don't fix"

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> taking into consideration the reddit, monero.town, and IRC people

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> it trails, for sure. But not by much

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Everyone wants a dark theme, retard.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> so all this to say "we're still waiting"? No. Still waiting to have this discussion on another platform, maybe.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> But as usual, you reduce and distill things that are more complex into little soundbytes that push your biases

You could’ve posted the github issue by now instead of arguing about interpretations of consensus

You’re also not in a position to determine consensus since you’re literally a beneficiary here.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> 😴

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Diego Salazar consider ignoring him and just moving forward.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Waste of time and effort arguing with the garden gnome.

But pesky things like ethics have never stopped you before so don’t mind me

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Haha, cannot believe he implied you are pushing so hard for backend change because you want to "extend" your CCS. 🤣🤣

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> two peas in a pod we are, then geonic

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Why are we even listening to this guy's opinion when all he knows to do is turn on and off his Mac for his movies production process?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> because unfortunately all we have left is inflammatory people :P

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> What kind of frontend and backend skills you got to have an opinion in this, distinguished 'film director' geonic?

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> 😂😂😂

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> rottenwheel, geonic, and ofrn, all of which hate each other btw

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> hilariously enough are the ones who care about the project as a whole enough to actually show up

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Hey, dont put words in my mouth

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I definitely have no personal beef with geonic

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> ok, I retract the portion from you to geonic then. Apologies.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Rottens a coward bootlicker, and i definitely dont like his 2 faced style. but on a personal level, he's just a noise maker whon i couldnt care less about him

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> i dont hate rotten, i just don't respect ppl with sore knees is all

Who does he simp for other than diego?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> scott, sgp, anyone who abused him

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Anyone who has power over him, like plowsof

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I earn the simps via my onlyfans fair and square

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> On topic, i still would like to see you proposed design in light mode, with rectangle buttons and hero small/off to one side like current design

is geonic purposely trying to disrupt the website workgroup?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Isnt he always? Since he opened mbll's ccs?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Hes a perpetual disrupter. Probably his job

I’m asking questions and getting a “consensus has already been reached” response. Very disruptive.

all I see is accusing others of bad faith and being delusional

so yes, disruptive

and the brain dead/bad faith comments towards me are ignored?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> "On topic, i still would like to see you proposed design in light mode, with rectangle buttons and hero small/off to one side like current design" my 2c on the convo

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> lol, mute us both

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> scroll up further luigi, I did indeed lay into him

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Had a cheerleader too. Unfair diego!

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> (/s)

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I agree with geonic on the point that i want to cont discussion, specifically the post i sent twice

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I disagree that we need to discuss astro

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> My summary is we had many meetings and decided some things (particularly that we would switch backends). Geonic wasn't at those meetings and so now those decisions don't count and we have to go back to square 1.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> A similar point of contention similat to astro was docs. Do we use "just the docs", or "mkdocs". That got solved in like 1.5 days. This shouldn't be a 3 month long discussion

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I went out of my way to summarize, link to, and copy/paste the relevant points of discussion. He don't care.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Geonic can give a summary of his perspective if he cares

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Plowsof, hardened, syntheticbird and even siren chimed in

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> rotten fought for hugo and now seems to be on board with astro

do others agree with this summary? :)

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> It also appears that (from a quick google) that astro easily supports dark and light theme toggles

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Siren: SyntheticBird rottenwheel janaka plowsof

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Siren summed it up properly: as long as its able to be maintained in MD, it doesnt really matter

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> agree with my summary or disagree or have things to add/remove?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> geonic also too can comment on my summary, obviously

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I don't agree with "use old design" yet, since the new homepage is very similar and more appealing imo. id prefer to see the new diego homepage in light mode b4 making a decision

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Agree with Diego's summary.

Maybe the links to those discussions didn’t transfer to IRC because I haven’t seen any logs. I joined the 3rd meeting. I specifically asked what’s to be gained by changing backends and was told that translations is one reason. This was later rebutted.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Use old design is "fine", but, again, new design isnt all that much different - aside from the hero and circle buttons

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Ofrnxmr surely will keep saying bootlicker, now more loudly lol.

one guy who didn't attend meetings to decide things doesn't get to derail progress post facto unless there are very good reasons. Laying into each other etc I don't care about too much unless it continues, etc.

rotten he has a way with words

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> i attended every meeting

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Indeed, such a poet.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I'll pull back my insults. Apologies.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> He's blocked and ignored, I don't care much.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Rotten has a way with words too, everybody is a dwarf, tranny, fatass

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Just highlighting so everyone's eyes get prepped.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Not a very large vocab from that one

All I’ve asked for is a short summary/bullet points giving the pros/cons to the different platform options. Ideally on github where people can comment without reading ofrn and rotten’s ramblings

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Even called me the N word yesterday :D. Running out of ways to deflect

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> luigi, does core care about the back end of the website at all?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> i.e. jekyll vs something else?

I don't

whatever works best

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And can be maintained in MD*

binaryFate: might have an opinion since he runs the server(?)

ofrn I thought that was implied, but yes works including running and maintaining git wise

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Hardenedsteel is here too

plowsof and hardenedsteel’s opinions also have weight here imo

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> just for you geonic, I will do this one more time. And then I will do as you ask and post it on github.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> But really man, I don't understand why you have to take the most inflammatory route possible

<b​asses:matrix.org> gm sirs

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> not "we're still waiting on any reasons". No, dude. "I'd like to see this discussion elsewhere also"

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> oh yeah rando was also at said meetings

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> i don't know the backend but custom.css is a problem.

diego: thank you

<b​asses:matrix.org> yes, if u guys are talking about backend, I recall you saying backend change is need as plow said it is glued together cluster fuk

<b​asses:matrix.org> needed*

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> current design has low maintainability

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> probably backend change can fix that

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> deja vu on this conversation

<r​brunner7:monero.social> > it is glued together cluster fuk

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Nice, expressive description

he said/she said… but then plowsof said that the plugin is the issue and not the platform. a github issue would clear that up

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> no, it would waste time

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> its not like were deciding randomx vs sha3

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Its a fkn website backend

<b​asses:matrix.org> we can sumbit logs on meta

<b​asses:matrix.org> after finishing, annouce it on blog if needed

<b​asses:matrix.org> no need for github "issue"

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> We should just use mkdocs like privacyguides /s

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> AND, if I may belabor a point again, I am NOT a beneficiary of switching backends

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I am NOT the one going to code this. I have no monetary horse in this race.

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Other people throw away backends and the websites on top of them in a rythm of 3 years because things develop and change with such breakneck speed in Web-land ...

<b​asses:matrix.org> it is for docs only

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Janaka is cool with astro, cuprate uses it (so we have more than 1 person with experience with it), and it works with dark + light themes and suppoe%s markdown and no js.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> the only reason it would be a subject is the value proposition of reusing the old website, ie, why redesign the old website if only for a backend and content change. Is the backend change even necessary? Or is the content the issue?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> imho, if were starting everythint anew, the backend change is obvious. If were reusing a lot, it becomes more of a "why" instead of a "why not". which, imo, is also a "why use old site" aside from indecisiveness.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> tldr: ofrn wants to see new design in light mode

<b​asses:matrix.org> Diego Salazar didnt tell me your opinion on nymtech.net

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I let the intrusive thoughts win and responded to geonic instead, sorry

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> rando the whoke website is mkdocs privacyguides.org/en

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> (offtopic for thus discussion tho)

<b​asses:matrix.org> yes, but you can't have custom pages

“imho, if were starting everythint anew, the backend change is obvious. If were reusing a lot, it becomes more of a "why" instead of a "why not".” <=== exactly

<b​asses:matrix.org> like downloads etc

<b​asses:matrix.org> looks terrible btw if js disabled, they could have done the same design without js

I’m asking for the “why”. Only thing I’ve heard so far is translations but apparently the problem there is the plugin.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The design isnt the elephant in the room, the content is

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Keep Jekyll and geonic maintains it moving forward.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> geonic: monero-project/monero-site #2140#issuecomment-2377523643

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> There is absolutely zero need to change backend guys! He'll run it since he does not want to change it!

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> If were redoing content, we should take the opportunity to refresh the ui

diego: amazing, thank you

<r​brunner7:monero.social> I once attempted a slight redesign of the download page, to fit in the then-new installer for Windows. Needed a second column or something like that. Almost despaired.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Seriously man. Rein back on your "ends justify the means" thing.

BTW, you would be shepherding the process and the longer that process is the longer you can bill us, so I maintain that you’re not a totally disinterested party

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Diego I stand by what I said. Engaging with this jerk is both a waste of everyone's time and efforts. Desist.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> I cannot post comment because Ciccione's bitch ass has me blocked. 🤷‍♂️

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Perks of relying on an old issue.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> > +1 change backend to Astro (personally prefer Hugo but whatever.) Can even keep current Jekyll theme, just be ported to Hugo, like we did for Revuo. Digilol can help with this.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…/kernal.eu/FexruracXqpvQUXCHosTvbMi

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I agree with 75% of his takes, ironically. But boy is he a bitch to work with in any capacity

Why do you prefer Hugo rotten?

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Because it's what Revuo uses. It's Go instead of Ruby. Has plenty of documentation, themes, community...

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Hugo has i18n support too, which is what plowsof et. al. would need for translations!

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Yes. I noted from my deep dive that Astro is more or less equivalent to Hugo here. The only reason Astro gets an edge is because 1. we have a person willing to maintain in Astro, 2. Astro is Javascript, which has a larger community than Go overall.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Javascript... The neckbeards would be having a heart attack. Preferring JS over Go!

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Yeah, the Astro shills in this room are a bit odd, but cool nonetheless.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I'm certainly not recommending making a Monero implementation in JS, for sure.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> but for the purposes of a static, information-based website, it doesn't really matter much

One person doesn’t sound super reassuring. Do we have potential maintainers for Hugo?

<r​brunner7:monero.social> > One person doesn’t sound super reassuring

<r​brunner7:monero.social> How many you would like?

<b​asses:matrix.org> rip

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Measured with such a yardstick almost nothing in Monero dev work is "supper reassuring", just saying

What if that person disappears?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 14

Do we have anyone else who can do the job

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Yeah, what if moneromooo disappears? Well, Monero disappeared together with them. Or did it?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Do we have maintainers for jekyll? No

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> we have content contributors and a static site generator

Thankfully moneromoo isn’t the only one who knows C++ or how wallet2 works..

<r​brunner7:monero.social> We would not be able to find somebody to maintain a website based on Astro? Come on, now it gets absurd

<r​brunner7:monero.social> >Thankfully moneromoo isn’t the only one who knows C++ or how wallet2 works..

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Hey, that sounds downright reasonable

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> geonic is king of filibuster

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Nobody knows how wallet2 works, are we kidding?

<r​brunner7:monero.social> But our Astro candidate is the only one who could continue?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Not even mooo :)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> There is inexplicable code in there, untouched since the dawn of monero

Not at all, but we should know how many internal candidates we have for each platform

<r​brunner7:monero.social> I lost a bit track when reading the tons of backlog, but gosh, is geonic the lone holdout to oppose a backend switch?

<r​brunner7:monero.social> And this really filibusters through hours and hours?

No, but the manufactured consensus would make you think so :)

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Ah, ok, the consensus is fake

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Yes geo is the lone holdout

I’m not a holdout btw. Just want to make sure we pick the right backend

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Everybody else is "+1" or "idgaf"

<b​asses:matrix.org> there's also Syn

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Hugo vs astro, nobody cares

<r​brunner7:monero.social> That was sarcastic!

<b​asses:matrix.org> js devs can easily learn Astro according to him too

Janaka cares?

Diego cares?

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Trivial to pick up moneromooo's dev work, but won't find a new Astro boy or girl. Nice theory

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> janaka wants astro

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Has said this since b4 opening ccs

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Diegot cant give a fk, bcuz he doesnt have to work with it at all

I didn’t say it’s trivial, I said that we have more than one person in the community who does what moo does. Right now we have only one Astro person, as far as I understand

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> literally every single person saying "sure" or "whatever" is 'manufactured consensus'

diego: I was referring to your summaries

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I can learn anything, if needed.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I learned Jekyll for Monero

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Dammit, I hereby declare myself to be an "Astro" person, if the alternative would be that our website breaks down. That stuff is *not* magic. Sheesh.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I can learn either Hugo or Astro (and indeed have been doing so)

wait so we have a Jekyll person

<r​brunner7:monero.social> We are already three :)

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> you're referring to me as the jekyll person?

<r​brunner7:monero.social> But no person ready *now* to develop and maintain the website in Jekyll

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> sorry if that's a stupid question, trying to clarify

there is also a bird that is not real who says that astro is easy to learn

next

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Four. Do we get into "reassuring" territory yet?

I hear meowing not chirping

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Lol

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I'm racist.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> of Hugo

rbrunner: so if Janaka disappears you will be our website maintainer?

<r​brunner7:monero.social> If nobody else shows up, and we have an emergency, I take the job ad interim, yes

<r​brunner7:monero.social> As would a number of other people, I guess

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> we also have siren and synthetic

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Yes, I counted 4 candidates so far

cool. no further questions from me on the topic

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> same but only if get paid a big mac in russian ruble every monday except during leap years

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> syn (can i call you syn) i can pay in russian big macs

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> so...do we have permission to change the backend now or...?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> No

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> always have been

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> its joever

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I'm talking to his majesty

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Thanks, but you can call me ofrn

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> i don't understand who is against

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> i mean

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> who have authority and is against

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> geonic wants us to write a 14 page justification for using astro

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Or for switching backend

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> oh ok i just get the joke

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ok but what if we ignore geonic?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Only one i want is: show me redesign in light mode

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> don't like dark colors i see... rather a bit sus ngl

<r​brunner7:monero.social> > ok but what if we ignore geonic?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> if we ignore geonic, then the wuestion is "what gui are we implementing in astro"

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Way less fun

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> understandable

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> nothing on TV right now

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Nothing so entertaining, no

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Productivity is for the weak

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Was bored this morning. "Let me respond to geonic's bitch of the day. That'll liven things up."

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Ignoring geonic means we have to go back to work

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> god forbid. GEONIC COME BACK!

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> On that note, please remove the invite only bs that scott put on support

wow so many mentions. geonic so popular

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> he da main man

and luigi was about to kick me out just a minute ago

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Diego Salazar

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> will be removed in a couple of days, yeah. I know that's the one we want people to be able to join.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> genoic i bet i can pvp you in any game of your choice and settle this choice.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Rotten was licking his boots. Would have been a casualty if luigi threw a kick

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> if i lose I ow you Luigi private PGP key

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Maybe sooner. Just trying to quell the spammer a bit. See if he gets frustrated and leaves. Maybe not, but who knows.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> was my idea btw, not his. Kinda trying to see what he tries next. But yes, absolutely that room is not one that should be invite-only.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> will be reverted very soon, I promise. Bear with me a bit here.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Spammer in mt dms

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And joined this roon

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Matrix has pretty sucky defed options

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> this room isnt invite only

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Is in my* dms

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Rules for ofrn's workspace, not for geonics/rottens mud rassle

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> PTO

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> who knows maybe in 4 or 5 forks of Revolt one will reach maturity (code and maintainer mental wise) for us to host an instance.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> in the 4 or 5 forks of Revolt, one*

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> privacyguides has good design imo

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> agree

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> i love it

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Its just mkdocs

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> monero-project/monero-site #2140#issuecomment-2377619059

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> > All the cons are pointing to same thing. It seems we eventually have to change the backend which means our choices are postpone or fix now.

<c​hch3003:monero.social> It is not a bad idea to be a minimum professional and write a summary of the meetings on Github

<c​hch3003:monero.social> Also, the people who really care about Monero to dedicate significant amount of their time are less than 10. Would be fantastic they could all make peace and focus on work.

<b​asses:matrix.org> paint.exe and change black to white

<c​hch3003:monero.social> Also, the people who really care about Monero to dedicate significant amount of their time are less than 10. Would be fantastic if they could all make peace and focus on work.

<b​asses:matrix.org> also would be reacist tho

<b​asses:matrix.org> yes, the homepage/landing page and their recommendation card

<b​asses:matrix.org> modified

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> All mkdocs is modified 💀

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Its just mkdocs

<c​hch3003:monero.social> I think we should all write our thoughts on a Github conversation so we know who think what

<b​asses:matrix.org> they also sponsoring mkdocs material so they got new fancy features and probably support from dev if needed

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Some ppl use material, some ppl use other themes, some ppl make their own themes

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Its still just mkdocs

<b​asses:matrix.org> everyone uses mkdocs material btw

<b​asses:matrix.org> plain mkdocs shit

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Most do, not all

<b​asses:matrix.org> for the most part, yes

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Its the whole part lol. Mkdocs is the ssg . . . Same as astro or hugo

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Its not like "some of the site is mkdocs and some of it is astro" the whole thing is based on mkdocs afaik

<c​hch3003:monero.social> “I think we should all write our thoughts on a Github conversation so we know who think what” 😶‍🌫️

luigi1111 here’s another disruptor

just try to get along or I'm going to gather you all up IRL and lock you in a 10'x10' room for 96 hours

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Calculating RandomX hashes by hand with pencil and paper :)

<b​asses:matrix.org> was talking about prebuilt features integrated into it

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Luigi1111, can i eat them? Are there rules in the 10x10 room?

only if you get hungry

<b​asses:matrix.org> u are working with Mrbeast now?

<b​asses:matrix.org> last one to die wins 1m$ (he's your friend and you gave him a gun while all are melee)

we all know who luigi would give the gun to

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Who

not you and not me

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Website ceo’s job

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> monerobull

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> If I could, I would. See above.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> ^

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Rotten can, he's not banned from github

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> He's banned from erc created prs and issues, as am i

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Luigi1111 jw, is there a way to remove those restrictions?

example?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> myself and rotten are banned/blocked by erciccione. We cant comment on any of his issues or PRs

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And example issue is...

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> monero-project/monero-site #2140

shall i close/re-open myself and reference the original to fix, yes?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I think were wasting time about nothinf

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Probably.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> lets make a simply tally

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 0 - abstain

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 1 - jekyll

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 2 - hugo

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 3 - astro

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 4 - idgaf, as long as it has MD, is well supported, "secure", and can be run w/o javascript

<b​asses:matrix.org> very dumb, you agree to a license when opening a PR, you can close his or nuke whatever, then open same PR with same code

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> plowsof

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Diego

<b​asses:matrix.org> yes

<b​asses:matrix.org> .

<b​asses:matrix.org> open a new PR

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> We did

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And he had a ragefit

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> 3 and/or 4

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 3 and/or 4

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Plowsof, vote!

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> although 4 for me with the asterisk of "probably not Jekyll"

<3​21bob321:monero.social> 4

<r​brunner7:monero.social> 3

<b​asses:matrix.org> 3

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> 3

Definitely 4 firstly (javascript on the back end is fine. I assume that site is "built" on a separate machine than whats hosting it. The html files are then transferred separately. So concerns of security are not so worrying

I hate installing node js / js things locally(, docs.astro.build/en/install-and-setup) personally.. As do i hate ruby (jekyll) lol

Hugo looks more attractive now that digilol have "converted" revuo (a jeklyll blog similar to getmonero) 🤔

Security concerns would be for your own personal machine / dev environment* not getmonero itself*

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> It wasn't digilol in the end, was recanman but yeah, digilol was going to do it originally...

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Hugo!

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> How hard it is to deploy astro locally SyntheticBird

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> literally one command

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> `pnpm run dev` for dev mode

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> `pnpm run build` for release mode

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> then you have all your statics assets in `dist/` file

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> This will launch your website on a local port?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> in dev mode yes.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> default is localhost:4321

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Ok nice.

<b​asses:matrix.org> they strill using the cute houston ai cli bot?

<b​asses:matrix.org> still*

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> obviously

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I don't know what I would do without its cute face

<b​asses:matrix.org> github.com/withastro/houston.astro.build

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> oh

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> never tried this

<b​asses:matrix.org> u said u did?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I thought you were talking about houston bot face appearing when you create an astro project

<b​asses:matrix.org> yes

<b​asses:matrix.org> this is the one shown I think

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 49.md.monerodevs.org

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Wrong room but oh well

<b​asses:matrix.org> nah it is different from it, integrated into astro project

<b​asses:matrix.org> houston.astro.build doesn't seem to be working 😔

is astro derived from astroturf 😆

<c​hch3003:monero.social> It says it is using GPT-3. It's dead

<b​asses:matrix.org> could run now open source models like Llama

Janaka: can you build on Hugo or Astro only?