<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> powerupprivacy.com

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> are they our sponsor?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> cc sgp_ is powerupprivacy a sponsor of Magic Grants ?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> As for Monero project there are no indications on the website

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> they may be donating without a sponsorship title

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> yes that's what i thought and it looks like

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> they're the biggest donor for CCS proposals

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> how do you know?

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> they claim they're sponsoring to the monero project

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ah ok I misread your sentence

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I thought you were affirming but only supposing.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I thought you were affirming but you were only supposing.

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> and they funded monero.observer

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> > 24/10/17: Confirmed that the biggest donation was from the Power Up Privacy anon group. Thank you guys!

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> monero.observer/monero-observer-funding-2025

<b​asses:matrix.org> privacyguides.org/articles/2024/08/20/staff-announcement

<b​asses:matrix.org> firo.org/2024/08/10/firo-receive-donation-from-powerup-privacy.html

<b​asses:matrix.org> why it feels like it is run by SGP?

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> sgp is secret millionaire

<b​asses:matrix.org> >Whonix is proudly supported until 2025 by Power Up Privacy, a privacy advocacy group that seeks to supercharge privacy projects with resources so they can complete their mission of making our world a better place. (Strictly subject to our sponsorship policy.)

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> sgp isn't israeli afaik

<b​asses:matrix.org> at the bottom of whonix.org

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> very interesting

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Ofrnxmr: if funding em

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> what

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> stop usurpating my identity

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> did they donate us? and should we list them as sponsor?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ig

<b​asses:matrix.org> there should have been transparency

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ig we could request them per email if they could provide some proof of transactions and ask them if they want us to list them on the website

<b​asses:matrix.org> blog.torproject.org/2024-fundraiser-donations-matched

<b​asses:matrix.org> >Now is a great time to give and spread the word about the Tor Project because through the end of the year, all donations will be matched by our supporters at Power Up Privacy

<b​asses:matrix.org> who controls getmonero domain?

<b​asses:matrix.org> can email?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> core

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ig it should be a website maintainer

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> so that they can publicly verify some degree of credibility in the request

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> hello rottenwheel

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> No

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Do you work for them or smthn?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> monero isnt sponsored by anyone. Core infra/services are

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> If they want to sponsor core, they can reach our to core sponsor something

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> If they donate to a ccs, they arent sponsoring ccs - ccs has no sponsors. _your_ ccs might, but the ccs platform does not

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I've donated to GF and CCS. That doesnr make me a sponsor of monero, monero-project or core

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> It makes me a donor

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> why someone would sponsor to core?

<b​asses:matrix.org> idk if they are pulling up a FUTO with that donations

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> it should be exact opposite

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Cake sponsors matrix, cypherstack sponsors sysadmin,

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> You cant sponsor "monero"

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> you can only sponsor monero-project (core) services, and individuals

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> they will be sponsor of CCS system

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> No they wont

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> ccs infra is funded by generalfund

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> ccs _proposers_ are sponsored by _all_ donors

<b​asses:matrix.org> idk if I'm tripping but I think getmonero had a sponsors page

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> here we go, ideas before reality

whonix dev must be maintaining the debian monero package again then? (now listed on their front page)

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> it have one indeed

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> and it make sense

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> > The following businesses actively support the Monero Project in its goal to bring financial privacy to the world. We couldn't be more grateful for their contributions.

<b​asses:matrix.org> yes, thx all

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The sponsors page is for monero-project infra that is untentionally sponsored

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> +1 for adding Power Up Privacy

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> that page doesn't state that

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> i gave 2 examples above

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> then the description should be changed, if that's the case

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> i disagree, description makes perfect sense

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Did they claim to sponsor anything?

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> *if that's the case*

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> i also disagree to change

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I want ofrnxmr listed as a sponsor as well then

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> they should be incentivized to be sponsor/make big donations

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> ofrnxmr donates to CCS proposals

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Monero.observer and Firo both claimed to have been secured by Power Up Privacy

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And neither is monero

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> You are not a company nor are you a whale

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> if you do like power up privacy, i would support this

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Says you

<b​asses:matrix.org> getmonero.org/community/sponsorships

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> How do you know i havent?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> then prove your hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of transaction to CCS and I'll be thinking again

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> > If you would like to sponsor the Monero Project and be listed on this page, please send an email to

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Did PUP do this?

<b​asses:matrix.org> donation != sponsorship

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> then you didn't do publicly unlike powerup, if you did then as i said i would support

do Power Up privacy want to appear on the sponsors page? they should reach out to bF directly

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> aside monero.observer no, I was going to ask for proof of their contribution if it holds then I'll be for adding it

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> monero observer went outside of cca

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> yes i would like to ask this to them, they're sponsor of many project and listed there, only getmonero isnt

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> dont care its still beneficial to the Monero project and community

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> That wasnt even a monero proposal, it was a solo-dolo funding for a private newsletter

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> they claim to be sponsor of monero project

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Sponsoring monerotalk doesnt make you a sponsor of monero

or "If you would like to sponsor the Monero Project and be listed on this page, please send an email to dev⊙go"

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I thought ofrnxmr was asking for proof of their contribution in its sentence

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Without proof, thats a _false_ claim

<b​asses:matrix.org> btw are all sponsors on getmonero.org/community/sponsorships are still sponsoring monero? or some need to move to Past sponsors?

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> What do you want, lil chirp?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I believe all are still active

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> yes i will ask that, im just consulting/discussing in here first

the last sponsor we moved to past sponsor was demoted

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> could you please add in your next revuo issue the list of proxy IPs boog collected so that people can ban them until a solution is found for monerod.

as far as the rest im not aware of any issues (mac stadium still provide a mac OS vm)

s/was demoted/forkednetworking

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Link me up. Preferably with boog's text when he shared it initially. I will, of course.

the owner of FN is a nice guy that still supports projects in the ecosystem*

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Thanks for the ping.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> if PUP is sponsoring monero CCS, why isnt vost funded yet?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Original announcement:

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> matrix.to/#/!LmpzSzbSMKFmPbCpHe:mon…om&via=matrix.org&via=monero.social

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> IP list disclosure:

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> matrix.to/#/!LmpzSzbSMKFmPbCpHe:mon…om&via=matrix.org&via=monero.social

vosts' introductory video was funded outside of ccs, maybe it was them 🤷

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> you can't call yourself a sponsor if you only donate things you feel like. That makes you a donor or an investor

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> <p​lowsof> vosts' introductory video was funded outside of ccs, maybe it was them 🤷 <> fully funded?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> i call recurrent and solid donors a sponsor

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> ok well, i will try contacting them

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> thx HardenedSteel

the ccs sponsors the monero project, how about that

lol

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> perhaps renaming to big donors

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> or big sponsors

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> some gaming tier ranking would be understand by everyone. Main purpose of a sponsor page is too show them our gratitude by providing them (limited but still) visibility from our side. As long as all of them get an appropriate place that fit their contribution roles its ok.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> imo

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> that would be some interesting information exercise cc Diego Salazar

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> i agree.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Donating != sponsoring

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Theres an important distinction between the words

<b​asses:matrix.org> they are sponsoring projects

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> donating to*

<b​asses:matrix.org> they want their name to be known among privacy people

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> yeah we are beyond occasional and limited donations

side note: the sponsors page is too square, we need rounded (or at least rounded edges) !

<b​asses:matrix.org> branding whatever

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> i feel like @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx has different reasoning to dont list them, if that's the case why?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> They would / could have reached out if they wanted to be listed

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> i agree plowsof

<b​asses:matrix.org> agree, more slick

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Because i don't need or want to know who donated to me

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> true. tho I don't think its wrong to contact them and ask them if they wish so.

rounding corners means yo uhave transcended w3schools tutorials and are a big boy designer

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> this sounds valid concern

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> maybe they tried to contact dev⊙go and fails

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> i will do that, maybe they didn't know that.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> if someone wanted me to know, they would have told me

<b​asses:matrix.org> learn from kicksecure design skills

<b​asses:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/PjKypXuZVWneolNYFaHFGySe

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> *Unable to show image due to error*

<b​asses:matrix.org> just don't mind that little thing on the top right

roudned edges.. transparency... 5 stars.. chefs kiss

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> kicksecure website is peak UI/UX

<b​asses:matrix.org> kicksecure.com/wiki/Donors#2024

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> that's great example of sponsorship or donor page imo. that's how most organization does tho.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> oh yeeeees

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> gamer like card and colors

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> i love it

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Imagine feds knowing that russia donated 10000xmr to binaryfate

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> its not like ccs or gf wallets are multisigs

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ?

<b​asses:matrix.org> not of their best interest to annouce that

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> so why are we trying to 💀

<b​asses:matrix.org> PUP are now russians?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Do we know?

<b​asses:matrix.org> LOL

<b​asses:matrix.org> bruh

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Do we want to know?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> because they aren't politically motivated nor appear to vehicle bad intents.

<b​asses:matrix.org> no of course

<b​asses:matrix.org> ask them if it is halal tho

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> but hey they can also just say no

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> feds are politically motivated

<b​asses:matrix.org> Tor project, PrivacyGuides, Firo didn't ask

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> off-topic imo

<b​asses:matrix.org> well player Syn

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I'd hope they dk

<b​asses:matrix.org> well played Syn

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I'd hope they do

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> feds attacking monero funding is the last thing we need

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I'd rather not know who donates to anything. I'd rather not know where the thousands of xmr came from, or who repaid the ccs hack

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I'd rather not know who's funding 100% of some devs pay

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Of they want to announce it, theyre free to. I'd rather not make a devs life difficult by them having to explain on their taxes that they are employed by PUP

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> off-topic yet I'll bite. If they want to disclose their source for bad intent then they will whether we ask them or not

<b​asses:matrix.org> you know, if you are worried about that then I have a perfect scenario that may cause a lot of backlash easily

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> so can anyone donating huge some of money to monero

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I'm saying _feds_ are the problem, not PUP

<b​asses:matrix.org> you just can't prevent people from donating

<b​asses:matrix.org> very dumb thing to do

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> We already accept many, many donations in amounts >10k or whatever your local AML regulation is

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> We _cant_ comply with regs bcuz we dont know where the funds came from, and we cant do anything to stop them. (like generalfund being donation spammed)

<b​asses:matrix.org> pretty sure all Monero CCS donations are clean 😄, privacy tech for all people 🚀

<b​asses:matrix.org> widely off-topic now

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> But trying to find out who sent those illegal tx, and putting up a badge on it to advertise on the website, is just stupid and dangerous for the ccs proposers and wallet holders

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> i mean. It's not like we're investigating a donor. They proudly advertise themselves as sponsors of Monero

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> We're at bare minimum in ethical right to ask them whether they even really sponsor the project.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> we're not investigating the donor, bur were suggesting to investigate source of donations. Feds will be happy we did that when _they_ investigate the donors

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And happy to chase down proposers who received these funds

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> you get what i mean. by investigating a donor I include source of donations

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> neither less its not our goal

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> We are literally suggesting to ask around if PUP is the source.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> oh you meant in that sense

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Thats investigating the source, finding the true spend, asking for a txproof

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> A lot of proposers are law abiding citizens.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> yeah we do. **In a grateful and considerate manner** we are first asking whether they wish to have visibility then ask for proofs not the other way around.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Public, doxxed, and living under heavily regulated regimes

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Pay their taxes

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Both lead to the same outcome - doxxing SOF

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And leaving proposers to have to carefully consider legal ramifications of accepting such funds

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> lmao how do you go from *Proving entity X have executed a transaction towards a CCS funding address* to *Doxxing X*

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> vtnerd left ccs and went to magic due to this

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Because if x entity send 10001$ and x entity is known to FBI as a money laundering or sanctioned org/entity, then proposers are recipients of such and are liable for being in possession of these funds

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> If its unknown who the donors are, then there is nothing proposers can do to vet the SOF

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> If PUP was announced by fbi as being an entity out of iran, and PUP claimed to fund selsta, do you think selsta would continue using ccs?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ok I can see the point.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> yeah valid concern

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> yeah interesting concern

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Its my opinion that PUP did _not_ reach out and claim responsibility for donations _because_ they don't want the red flags on monero

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> yeah but if they didn't wanted the red flags on monero why would they permit it on monero.observer and firo ?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> they proudly announced being secured by PUP

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> they have funded individuals in private and told them directly, but they've never come monero communities to claim credit for massive donations in public

wtf is PUP?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> humility could be an answer imo

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> PowerUpPrivacy

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> selsta PUP is powerupprivacy

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> a group that is claiming to sponsors monero

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Some entity that is sponsored millions if dollars into privacy projects

ok never heard of them

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> some evidence have been found that they indeed heavily funded some projects (Firo and monero.observer)

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> i first heard of them today

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> they are recent

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> People here are discussing trying to have them listed as a monero sponsor if they are willing to prove that they made large donations to ccs

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> firo.org/2024/08/10/firo-receive-donation-from-powerup-privacy.html

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> privacyguides.org/articles/2024/08/20/staff-announcement

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> blog.torproject.org/2024-fundraiser-donations-matched

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> all in october

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> i wonder how other projects avoid this problem?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> not particularly in CCS but just a reasonable proof of their financial contribution somewhere in the monero ecosystem

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> it could be MAGIC

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I pinged sgp about it

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> MAGIC struggles to fund themselves

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I doubt its MAGIC

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> off-topic

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> they claim to sponsor magic

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> thanks for explaining tho.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Theres never been any rule stating a donor cant prove their donation. Donors of FFS used to openly comment their donations.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I don't think its our responsibility to go back in time and try to find out who's donated to whom. That just sets precedent to be required to do "due diligence" on SOF for proposers. If a donor wants to be known, it should be their responsibility and theirs alone to come forward and announce it

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> incognito market also claimed to fund ccs

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Why didnt we ask them for the txproofs?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> i think because incognito market was enough of an hint that it would raise ethical concerns and that they would be nefarious to the project reputation.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> How do we know that another DNM isnt PUP?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> we dont make arbitrary rules here. If they showed txproofs of funding monero obeserver, then they should be sponsors too, right?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Sponsors are people who reach out to core and have an agreement to sponsor something

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Anything else is a donor

<b​asses:matrix.org> why u care ofrnxmr?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And donors are free to donate to whom they want, how they want, and to reveal or not reveal their donations

<b​asses:matrix.org> they are definitely not a nefarious company trying to take major privacy projects

<b​asses:matrix.org> take down*

<b​asses:matrix.org> museum

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> i never said they were malicious. I said large donations are illegal and if it is known who sent them, then you legally must do AML reporting or cannot legally accept the funds

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> what will happen to Tor, Firo, Whonix etc if PUP goes seized

<b​asses:matrix.org> Tor is safe 💀

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And proposers are paid by ccs, so perhaps this burden falls on luigi and bF, instead of the proposer

<b​asses:matrix.org> I'm pretty sure bad people donate to Tor project all the time, what have they done about it?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Thats a question for them. Those all have legal non-profits, dont they?

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> Tor is but others?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Monero is just a single person with a wallet

<b​asses:matrix.org> only dumb criminals annouce they donated to privacy projects that they use for their thing, like u said incognito who claimed that he "allegedly" donated

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> PuP didnt even claim it, were out here trying to ask them as if we want to join some cool kids group

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Incognito actually claimed to be supporting ccs

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> logicalfallacies.org/appeal-to-ridicule.html

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> It's not ridicule to contact PuP and ask them if they were even aware or wish to be displayed imo.

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> what if we allow people to donate/sponsor under any nickname?

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> let's assume there's btcpayserver or whatever that allows donors to enter a nickname and there's a leaderboard.

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> what are the consequences of these system? 🤔

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Tho your concern is interesting

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Syn, why are we looking to contact them to inquire about things they never claimed?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> It's called relationship building.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> also yes they claimed to be sponsor

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> which they aren't officialy

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> yet there are evidence they are financing monero

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Many people have claimed to have partnerships with monero

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> As serious as power up privacy?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> There is evidence they they sponsored monero.observer

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> and Firo and Tor project

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Incognito market?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> its not like they were some dnm or random liar

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Those arent related to monero

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> dnm dont care about building relation with illicit entities

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> What if i told you, dnm's have funded monero for years

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> maybe not but that credibility

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> what if i told you yes i know

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Why can't we announce that?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> FOR THE SAME CONCERN YOU BROUGHT UP

<b​asses:matrix.org> dnm & random liar, scientists can't find a difference

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Why dont we reach out to them and _try_ to tell the fbi exactly which donations and proposals and persons received profits from dnms?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> because that would be fucking annoying + ethically wrong for to both side.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Youre appeal that dnm dont donate to monero is both wrong and just as silly as your gambling. Leave your personal beliefs out of this

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I love you rando

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Dnms have, do, and will continue to fund monero communities

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> and i thank them for that

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> ^

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Just because you dont agree with drugs doesnt make them liars

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Ppl are more thsn welcome to post their donations, but they stopped doong that years ago

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> github.com/monero-project/monero-site/blob/master/_data/donators.yml

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> interesting

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> UX isn't great ngl

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> It was on FFS before

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Forum.getmonero.org

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> what if someone enter a darknet market name as a nickname and donate?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> *A sorry police officer someone is trolling us?*

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> forum.getmonero.org/9/work-in-progr…/globee-s-secret-project-fundraiser

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> plus a nickname isn't evidence that it is a dnm

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> forum.getmonero.org/9/work-in-progr…raiser?page=2&noscroll=1#post-92308

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> same logic can be applied for this current situation i believe

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> elaborate?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> forum.getmonero.org/22/completed-ta…-thread?page=&noscroll=1#post-89626

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> So someone donated/sponsored us under PUP nickname but we didn't/cannot verify if this is related PUP.com

<b​asses:matrix.org> says the guy that said talking about FCMP++ will bring attention to feds, while now he says DNMs donated to Monero 💀

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ***rando Joined the game***

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> FCMP++ will bring eben more attention if its known who is funding audits and who funded developement

<b​asses:matrix.org> lol, schizo?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> ?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Using random words now, are we?

<b​asses:matrix.org> can we stop please? we kinda harrasing PUP for what they claimed that they donated to monero, while concern is true but you can't do anything about

<b​asses:matrix.org> saying FCMP++ that improves Monero privacy vs saying DNMs donated, which grabs their attention the most?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> i'm suggesting that we _do nothing_

<b​asses:matrix.org> thx, could have saved us 2hs

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The one saying that we should have ingotnito take credit for funding kaya and jberman

<b​asses:matrix.org> thx for cauing more harm to Monero project with 0 proof

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Ive said "do nothing" for 2hrs while everyone else wants to reach out and "do something unnecessary and potentially dangerous"

<b​asses:matrix.org> thx for causing more harm to Monero project with 0 proof

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> When incog gets out of prison, maybe we csn ask them for txproofs

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> (/s)

<b​asses:matrix.org> why would we do/care?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Same reason we (they) care about PuP

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> no you argue your position which was a reasonable action

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I _don't_ care, and i would rather not know

<b​asses:matrix.org> because their purpose is clear and already sponsored very popular projects

<b​asses:matrix.org> I doubt Tor project didn't KYC their soul out of this sponsorship

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Trustmebro, were a legal org and do everything bt the book /s

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> They clearly _don't_ abide by the laws jf they sent 250xmr to observer

<b​asses:matrix.org> Their problem....

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Doubly negative.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> you mean "i think tor prohect kyc'd them"?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And observers

<b​asses:matrix.org> you just scratched the surface of what (they) could potentially do if they wanted to really stop Monero project

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> yeah. They (feds) could just send us millions and then arrest us for tax fraud and aml violations

<b​asses:matrix.org> they can anytime, but why Monero and not thousands of other privacy projects?

<b​asses:matrix.org> Now you understand

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> ive understood this your years, young padwan

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> ive understood this for years, young padwan

<b​asses:matrix.org> 👴

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Its precisely why i'm against going out of our way to find out who donated what

<b​asses:matrix.org> why sponsor page exists?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Again, read past and current sponsors. All of them have partnerships with monero-project (core)

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> If you want to be a sponsor of monero project, you have to go through core

<b​asses:matrix.org> technically speaking, if some bad person donated and they got hold of tx history they can just contact thousands of individuals/projects/companies he sent money/donated to and do what? ask for refund? (Not our problem)

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> it the problem of a) the wallet holder and b) the recipient of the funds

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> What's the question about PUP?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Did they make gigantic donations? Yes they did.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> whether they are a sponsor of monero

<b​asses:matrix.org> conclusion: don't go on your way and ask them to verify if they are the one that donated, unless you believe they are honesty and legit which PUP seems to be as they donated to other big time projects

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> They've been funding most proposals for a little while, yes.

<b​asses:matrix.org> when and why no one mentioned it?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I mean, publicly

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The subject isnt if they did or didnt, its whether we should be advertising it

<b​asses:matrix.org> .

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> For the time being, no.

<b​asses:matrix.org> Great thx

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Ill let you know if that changes. I've been working closely with them for a bit.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Retroactivelty

<b​asses:matrix.org> same reasoning like ofrn suggested or why didn't ask to?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> And thus the drama ended.

<b​asses:matrix.org> same reasoning like ofrn suggested or they didn't ask to?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> The reason is actually simple. There's a good pile of respurces to distribute. And once people realize that they start asking for it. Making it more difficult to get resources where they're needed most. Every fundraising and distribution platform or initiative has this problem.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> But it seems PUP won't be able to keep that on the dl for much longer anyhow.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Theyve been public with tor, whonix, firo etc

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Magic

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Yes. The tor big public statement was their first big move into the limelight. The others are relatively smaller projects.

<b​asses:matrix.org> PG 2nd biggest

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> It's a balance between building reputation and not getting flooded with funding request.

<b​asses:matrix.org> but this is not out problem tho?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> legality?

<b​asses:matrix.org> but this is not our problem tho?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> It isn't. But what's being discussed is putting them on the sponsorship page, no?

<b​asses:matrix.org> yes

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I don't see why we would if they haven't requested it.

<b​asses:matrix.org> I mean if they are pulling up a FUTO, they need to be more clear on their website

<b​asses:matrix.org> same cyberpunk vid and 2 paragraphs isn't enough

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> What the heck is a futo?

<b​asses:matrix.org> some cyberpunk vid and 2 paragraphs isn't enough

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Fuck Uranus Tard Orthoptera?

<b​asses:matrix.org> futo.org

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> I still don't know what you mean by "pulling a FUTO"...

<b​asses:matrix.org> be like FUTO

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Is it your money or your project? No.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Let them share or not share what they have funded. It is their own decision.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> That's what monero is for at the end of the day. Anonymous donations.

<b​asses:matrix.org> bruh, this not what I'm talking about... Anyway I'm done 👋

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Glad you're done, because you were making zero sense there.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Brother in Christ kept repeating 'pull a FUTO' like a stuck cassette there!

<b​asses:matrix.org> not my problem you didn't understand/spawned at the end of discussion

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Go back to ignore list.

<b​asses:matrix.org> My pleasure lmao

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> monero-project/monero-site #2398

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> Monerica asking to be listed

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> cryptwerk to be delisted also , im checking in wayback machine

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> if the site wasnt a cesspool of affiliate links when it was added

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> same level of banners from time of merge to now so actually we approve of that

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> cryptwerk did begin its life without those banners though

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Again reason why there needs to be criterias. Cant say why are they added and not mine.

iirc the prev site maintainer wanted to deprecate the merchants section because of all the fuss

does the new site work group want to maintain a merchants section?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> New website

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> "using monero" page, probably. merchant directories and classifieds like monerica and xmrbazaar, software like btcpay and moneropay, gift cards like cakepay and coincards

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Sep page for exchanges "acquiring monero". Well vetted DEX, P2P and CEX

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> prob

<b​asses:matrix.org> smart guy

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> He wanted to _lower_ requirements and list scams like coinwallet

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> so plowsof is only half right

list kycnot me and call it a day?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> kycnotme-like services (xmrbazaar, monerica)

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Kycnot.me doesnt list moneropay afaik (i didnt check)

kycnotme lists kycnotme-like services and seems maintained

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Xmrbazaar is doug's and has >1000 listings now. Its like craigslist for xmr

xmrbazaar is on kycnotme

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Moneropay isnt

well moneropay is the api that apayment processor would need to use right?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> btcpayserver isnt either

listing Digilol on kycnot me would be done in a heart beat, just have to ask pluja

<b​asses:matrix.org> 💯

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> digilol is a service provider that would be on moneromarket or xmrbazaar, not kycnot.me

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> plowsof the new workg... What?

does kycnot have a section for payment gateways? or similar?

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Lol. Who is in such workgroup? 😅

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Kycnot.me lists services, not providers afaict

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> I only see exchanges, services and all tabs. Guess digilol, moneropay, et. al. would be listed under services for that matter. On kycnot.me, that is.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Every service on kycnot.me appears to be a product

Anonshop acts as a proxy between you and sellers, Digilol acts as a proxy between our smol brains and our goals

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And isnt xmr focused

speaking of: monero is buried in the "more coins" list at cryptwerk, if that matters

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I'm all for listing kycnot.me, but its not an xmr directory

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Cryptwerk links to monero filter iirc. Not saying cryptwerk is the greatest service to list

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Xmrbazaar is xmr-only. Moneromarket is xmr-only, kycnot.me is no-kyc, but has items that are btc-only.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Kycnot.me wouldnt be my first choice for an xmr directory. Its a good resource for a no-kyc dir, checked by pluja

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> You can filter by xmr, just like cryptwerk

would we list cryptwerk if i made a PR to add it today?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> ive never used it so i cant say. I'd say "nobody ik uses it"

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Xmrbazaar has users who actively use the classifieds, and real world (brick and mortar) businesses in the directory

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> If you made a pr to add cryptwerk, id assume you use it or knew someone who does

:D

<3​21bob321:monero.social> I add doug

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Not like jordan s's website with coin wallet, xmr wallet and bit2me scams

so kycnot would only be eligible to replace the swappers section i guess

hypothetically

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Yeah

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Shouldnt be so hard to find how to post a classified ad or look for monero jobs. I think bazaar fills that gap and likely should be listed on its own

<3​21bob321:monero.social> cryptwrks use cloudflare and google gstatic

<3​21bob321:monero.social> only issue xmrbazarr has that ebay has is how legit are the reviews on products

a sponsor is one who gives monthly donations of a minimum amount

these donations are used for core infrastructure as well as donations to CCSs as determined by core

there is a minimum donation amount per month

can donations be structured otherwise to be considered a sponsor? .shrug

did I just post something coherent and serious?

please forgive me

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> yes, are you ok?

<•plowsof> side note: the sponsors page is too square, we need rounded (or at least rounded edges) ! <<>> rounded squares or squircle, be careful with the shape as not to get sued by apple :D

better?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> at least i wasnt the only one lost

I see no reason to contact pup

<3​21bob321:monero.social> rogue ai

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> welcome back nioCat ❤️

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Niocat sounds like ofrncat

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> (But coherent)