<b​b3883:matrix.org> guyssssss

<b​b3883:matrix.org> hey chat

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Hi

<b​b3883:matrix.org> so how could one setup an exchange like platform with deposits and withdraws in miner on

<b​b3883:matrix.org> monero*

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Wrong room, probably

<b​b3883:matrix.org> because you can only send a few transactions at a time with monero

<b​b3883:matrix.org> idk what room to ask

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Monero

<b​b3883:matrix.org> okay thank you

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> i would like to delist BTC ↔ fiat exchanges from the site

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> especially hodlhodl, they charge 1% fee + premiums for swapping

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> there are ones ?*

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ah yeah

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> make sense to delist hodl hodl. fwiw I would keep Bisq as Bisq2 is planning on adding native XMR/BTC swap. Could also add Haveno since last version is officially supporting mainnet

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> current bisq 2 is so useless imo, they don't have any escrow, its just messaging app

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> that lets you post your offers

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ah ok

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> well then replace the two by Haveno

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> well then replace the two by Haveno-reto

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Hodl hodl should be replaces with haveno, not reto

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And unstoppableswaps should be added to the list

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> bisq has xmr<>btc, same as unstoppableswaps. Shouldnt delist bisq for "only supporting btc<>xmr" considering unstoppable only supports btc<>xmr

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> If we list "reto" we awt precendent for listing every splinter network that pops up. We can list "haveno" and add a "networks" section and list reto in the networks section of haveno

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I'm not even sure hodlhodl supports xmr _at all_

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> they dont, just offer makers do

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> hodlhodl.com/offers/sell?filters%5B…ode%5D=XMR&pagination%5Boffset%5D=0

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> "Buying your BTC with MONERO ✅

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> HODL HODL DECIDED TO REMOVE MONERO AS PAYMENT METHOD, BUT WE WILL STILL TRADE WITH IT.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> "

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> hodlhodl.com/offers/JtvWWgUYKqWDrg3o

strange, so according to that, hodl hodl does not support monero but these rogue sellers are offering it anyway?

haveno-reto won't be on getmonero lol

haveno.exchange announced that it was ready for mainnet, so we can wait ~1 year now

<b​asses:matrix.org> any reason?

haveno.exchange/blog/ready-for-mainnet

!remind me 1 year

haveno exchange " We do not endorse any networks at this time.", no further comments required

haveno can go @ monero-project/monero-site #2091

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> "<p​lowsof> strange, so according to that, hodl hodl does not support monero but these rogue sellers are offering it anyway? " sounds like it

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I dont think haveno fits "build on monero" because its not really

png->avifs xD

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Its build on bisq and uses multisig

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Ans townforge too, thats more of a fork, like wownero

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Its not using monero's blockchain or consensus mechanism (partially POS now)

justifications for such a page given here monero-project/monero-site #1641

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I think

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> s/hodlhodl/haveno + add unstoppableswaps

rude to say townforge is "slightly edited version of Monero," after al the work mooo put in

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Erc's reasoning is flawed

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> primo > rpcpay = one of these is a service that uses rpc pay, one is rpc pay

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Townforge is a genesis fork, with different rules and different consensus, haveno is an exchang that runs on its own network, based on bisq

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> there are 100 different projects that can be listed with this group, including haven, salvium, localmonero, btcpayserver, moneropay, kuno

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Monero-lws, openmonero, mymonero

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Monujo

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> basically anything that uses monero in any way 🙃

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> "<p​lowsof> rude to say townforge is "slightly edited version of Monero," after al the work mooo put in " << agreed. Its its own beast

well, haveno without monero would cease to exist as the trades depend on multisig+monero tech

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> wownero is a "slightly edited version of monero"

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> > *slightly*

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Haveno is an exchange that uses monero functions for trading monero, same as localmonero

haven (a fork) without monero would cease to exist , but that is a fork and proposed conditions where "no forks" . btcpayserver does not use monero as such, its just a supported coin

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Any wallet can be considered in the same breath

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> "<p​lowsof> haven (a fork) without monero would cease to exist , but that is a fork and proposed conditions where "no forks" . btcpayserver does not use monero as such, its just a supported coin " townforge is a fork

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Btcpayserver and haveno both use monero-wallet-rpc to send and receive transactionsb

remove monero from btcpayserver and what do you have?

remove monero from bsx, same thing

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Xmrbazaar, localmonero, haveno, rino (rip) all use monero multisig

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> They are just wallet interfaces that depend on certain functionality to send monero transactions.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> multisig isnt some magic backend feature, its just a wallet transaction

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Haveno uses haveno network to relay messages, not multisig. Multsig is just for escrow. Using multisig doesnt put you in some magic new category

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> any service that focuses on monero (like kuno) would fit the category, even though its just a UI that lets you interact with for monero features. rino js another good example of a product that supports monero (but isnt built on monero).

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The best example of a "built on monero" work be townforge _if_ it used monero blockchain, or haveno _if_ it used monero for communications

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Imo, primo might be the only valid option, since its a ddos system that utilizes the monero blockchain in a non-standard method. Forcing users to perform POW to prevent ddos, using monero's difficulty to pay for the ddos

maybe EquiX?

build on randomx hm

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Its different than randomx iirc

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> we need to revive primo

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> we all know they wont endorse forever and why

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Why?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I also dont know why it took them like 6 months to (re)announce mainnet

lol

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Oh wait. They must have announced to remind ppl about kraken?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Haveno not speaking the name if any network is funny tbh. as id feds will think haveno disnt know about reto, while accepting patches from and providing guidance to them

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> As if* feds

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> "youre honor.. i've never heard of reto in my life"

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I swear I wouldn't have built this tool if i knew "reto" would make use of it

<b​asses:matrix.org> unstable

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> they literally announced it 6months ago

<b​asses:matrix.org> and this is the only official announcement

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> No this is not the only official announcement

<b​asses:matrix.org> from haveno.exchange, yes

<b​asses:matrix.org> I asked woodser in his room

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> haveno.exchange website was dead

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> every github release includes a changelog about it can be used on mainnet

<b​asses:matrix.org> how

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> Running Haveno

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> ...Haveno can be used on Monero's main network by using a third party Haveno network. We do not officially endorse any networks at this time. Alternatively, you can start your own network.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Thanks hardened

<b​asses:matrix.org> Haveno software had many bugs that needed to be ironed out, before seriously recommending it

<b​asses:matrix.org> Haveno software had many bugs that needed to be ironed out before seriously recommending it

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> github.com/haveno-dex/haveno/releases/tag/1.0.5

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Went to from beta to v1.0.0 7 months ago

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Dont play word games. It was officially released and announced as released 6+ months ago.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> it was recommended against usage when it was v0.xx

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> As of v1.0.5 it was literally _instructed_ as to how to run your own network.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Being _told_ to run a network is the opposite of a "YMMV" non-recommendation

<b​asses:matrix.org> this is what woodser said, not me

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> woodser also released haveno 7 months ago

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Nobody ever recommended _against_ using haveno. Except for the banmonero.com guy

<b​asses:matrix.org> I was answering your question

<b​asses:matrix.org> .

<b​asses:matrix.org> I was simply answering your question