<3​21bob321:monero.social> Website meeting ?

<r​edsh4de:matrix.org> howbout this?

<r​edsh4de:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/ZZMWqrFijFuBYxYHiKqSDZbt

<r​edsh4de:matrix.org> SyntheticBird Diego Salazar

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Put Stack Wallet 2x as big as the others

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Categories look good

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And add anonero

<r​edsh4de:matrix.org> any other wallets that been left out?

<1​7lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> guess cakewallet doesnt exist xd

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Nope

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Monero.com does tho

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> looks wonderful

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> cupcake, but that's an odd one... 🤔

<r​edsh4de:matrix.org> and sidekick too ig

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> nah, there was a discussion or vote of sorts. they decided to only list monero.com, since it's the XMR only wallet of Cake, without all the other chains, or something like that...

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> yes indeed. 👍

<r​edsh4de:matrix.org> i guess could add them under hardware wallet with a "DIY" tag

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Anonero does that too

<r​edsh4de:matrix.org> they had two apps right? anon was the offline signer, nero was the local sync wallet?

could be categorised as compatible with the URI QR thing (official name) : these wallets can sign transactions offline like the GUI/CLI however they have the scrolling QR thing (fountain codes?) and can be used on any hardware you choose. feather, nero, (cupcake too right?) , sidekick is using ledgers bluetooth

s/offline/air gapped

<r​edsh4de:matrix.org> deployed download page updates

<b​asses:matrix.org> yeah a lot better, thanks

<b​asses:matrix.org> "Server wallet" I literally never heard this term before. I would call it "hosted wallets" or something

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I like server wallet

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I prefer server wallet

<b​asses:matrix.org> I would list node software at the end

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I would not

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I would also make cuprate 5x bigger

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> joke aside, yeah make sense, hardware wallets should be continuing wallets

<b​asses:matrix.org> just make cuprate wallet :P

<r​edsh4de:matrix.org> good point, will switch them around

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Server based wallet

<3​21bob321:monero.social> So all the crates can fit in it ?

<1​7lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> you must like rating cups

<c​oinwalletapp:matrix.org> there's also Coin Wallet, a light wallet

<c​oinwalletapp:matrix.org> reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/1llayo…c_monero_wallets_are_we_still_alone

<c​oinwalletapp:matrix.org> You can immediately mention that we charge a service fee

theres also Elite wallet if we're skipping the review process 😄

<r​edsh4de:matrix.org> well ig the final content would have decided in a workgroup meeting anyway :P

<r​edsh4de:matrix.org> Made some improvements to the Core downloads section - version tag/release notes & source moved outside the download button

<r​edsh4de:matrix.org> getmonero-redesign-impl.vercel.app/downloads

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Whay about xmrwallet or freewallet

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> On a serious note, redsh4de

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Anonero works a bit differently than monerujo + sidekick and monero.com + cupcake

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> anonero:

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> normal mode = `anon`

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> airgapped mode = `anon` for keys, `nero` for view wallet

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> monero.com:

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> normal mode = `monero.com`

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> airgapped mode = `cupcake` for keys, `monero.com` for view wallet

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> so i'd probably just list `anonero` under both categories, since its a confusing one (nero is a view-only companion wallet, so it doesnt really belong anywhere. `anon` is both the air gapped and the hot wallet. The wallets true name is anonero though)

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> disclaimer: This was a joke

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Can you put the version into a macro or translation string, so changing it on the website only requires changing it in one place

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The release notes should link to the blog post on final version

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> suggestion for Anonero's description: "Privacy-focused wallet project supporting offline dual-app setup." -> "Privacy-focused wallet with all communications over Tor. Pioneer of the URQR airgapped signing using ANON and NERO."

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Monerujo does not have qr signing

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> it uses bluetooth w/ their sidekick

<c​oinwalletapp:matrix.org> any other issues with the product besides the fee? we're okay with mentioning it to users right away

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> GORGEOUS

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> It doesn't fit under any of the categories 🙃

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Maybe add a new category for "not recommended"

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> .. again, joking

didnt pass review for listing here section?

Coin Wallet - are you tired of letting your wallet to ALL the work for you and bored of low network fees?

pioneer of the backend % fee per transaction

<v​ikrants:monero.social> Why isn’t cake wallet listed?

<v​ikrants:monero.social> Stack and unstoppable are multicoin and are listed

<v​ikrants:monero.social> Seems suspicious?

<v​ikrants:monero.social> If we can only list one, then take out Monero.com and put in cake so its at same offering as stack and unstoppable

<v​ikrants:monero.social> Otherwise it looks like someone is just trying to keep cake out

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> name of the account is vikrants

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> and it isn't suspicious at all many here assumes openly that they hate cake wallet

<v​ikrants:monero.social> And?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> do i agree on keeping out cake wallet? no. do I think this could be re-discussed again in meeting? yes

<v​ikrants:monero.social> Thanks. It’s seems inconsistent especially since there are two other multicoin wallets there. When is the next meeting. Take Monero.com and put in cake is what i say to make it consistent. Also to not put in the first open source Monero wallet on iOS App Store that has done so much for Monero seems like a slap in the face to be honest.

<v​ikrants:monero.social> It’s been around for 7 years for goddaakes 😂

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> remove monero.com and put cake wallet

<v​ikrants:monero.social> I’m fine with that

<v​ikrants:monero.social> Also I’m surprised monero.com made it since it upsets some people

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> like it or not, cake is ubiquitous with Monero

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> more than core's reference client to the vast majority of people tbh

<v​ikrants:monero.social> Yep and we know why.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I think some here are solely rejecting cake wallet for the domain and calling home story and already sees the inclusion of monero.com as a compromise. anyway this means there is going to be tensions about that

<v​ikrants:monero.social> Thanks man. Yes run a poll anywhere and ask what Monero wallet people are using and most will reply with Cake Wallet.

<v​ikrants:monero.social> Calling home story from like 4 years ago? And for something that was fixed. Have they looked at other wallets?

<v​ikrants:monero.social> They hate the domain but are including that wallet?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I think, to say the quiet part out loud, there's a contention because of Cake's power in the space. I actually believe this to be something not a lot of people want to admit, but is still a driving force behind a lot of cake grumbling.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I've spoken on this publicly before. I also believe Cake has a lot of power. Too much imo. But that's mostly because others aren't stepping up, rather than cake stepping on competition.

<e​longated:matrix.org> Cake power like ? Do you want them to sponsor or donate less ?

<v​ikrants:monero.social> What power ? We don’t show up for dev meetings or anything for that very purpose

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> But now Cypher Stack is in the running for Monero's blockstream, so we're balancing out somewhat

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> we = alts unrelated to vik, impersonation is a sin

<v​ikrants:monero.social> Huh?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I agree. But the decentralization purists see you have an outsized power on community, marketing, and sentiment. Your desire to mostly stay out of dev things is a wise one for your guys' reputation. This isn't a threat, it's just a reality of ultra cypherpunks like Monero has.

<v​ikrants:monero.social> We can stop donating, sponsoring, doing and meetups for Monero. Done!

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I myself don't have an issue with you guys. Again, to me, Cake's power (used well for Monero) means other people need to do more, not that cake needs to do less.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Monero would not be as far as it is with the normies without Cake.

<v​ikrants:monero.social> What does this mean?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> And we don't say

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> "thank you" enough for that

<3​21bob321:monero.social> So

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Whats new

<v​ikrants:monero.social> I don’t want thank you. I want to be listed as we have been for 7 years

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> That's my thinking anyways. Others may disagree.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Agree.

<v​ikrants:monero.social> Other wallets always get away with non privacy things, but cake is always under a microscope

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> My sincere apologies I really thought you were an alt account impersonating... well yourself

<v​ikrants:monero.social> Oh it’s ok. I had a problem with matrix one time and created another account

<v​ikrants:monero.social> I’m sure i can access VikXmr somehow

<v​ikrants:monero.social> I can’t find the password to it.

<v​ikrants:monero.social> But others like rotten or Diego can vouch it’s me

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> This is the real vik ^

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And no, absolutely no bad blood or fud was the reason for the cakewallet -> monero.com switch

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The reasoning was as simple as "prefer to monero-only variants whenever possible"

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Monero.com's listing on getmonero, links to cakewallet.com.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> monero.com and cake are identical aside from the inclusion of other coins. I PERSONALY (i dont speak for everyone) think "Monero.com by Cake Wallet" linked to cakewallet.com (where users download whatever one they want) covers all bases

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I have np with the domain. People who do have a problem, don't want monero.com to be listed.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> the "calling home issue" would be present on both wallets, if present at all.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And edge wallet is 100x worse. The last time i tested it, it made connections to the electrum servers for coins that you didnt even enable.

<v​ikrants:monero.social> Anyway, anyone here that wants cake on the site, please comment here:

<v​ikrants:monero.social> monero-project/monero-site #2541

<e​longated:matrix.org> Add privacy/metadata leak criteria? Low high medium?

<v​ikrants:monero.social> It’s weird that for some reason, nobody cares about the viewkey issue with Edge wallet. But cake is always under a microscope. However I take it as a compliment… people making efforts to make cake better. Hey, maybe after a long time, the community saw “cake” as its “own” and an insider and wanted it their own way.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I'll be honest, the Monero-only stack was actually on the cards for the first time ever. But if it means stack getting booted off for Stako, then I dunno.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> people have wantes to remove edge for a long time

<v​ikrants:monero.social> See? Making a Monero only wallet hurts you here. Makes no sense.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Not because of the view-key (it worka with self-hosted lws), but because its full of analytics

<v​ikrants:monero.social> Offrn, u see Diego’s message?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Yes

<v​ikrants:monero.social> Get it now?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I'll say this again: this is not my website

<v​ikrants:monero.social> It’s for other people to see the discussion also

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> My opinion isnt law. I feel getmonero should prefer to list monero-only options whenever possible. Whether to list all 3 variants (stack wallet, stack duo, and stacko) or cake wallet and monero.com, is something for the community to decide

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I don't think theres need to list more than 1 variant, and i prefer the monero-only variant. We link to the main website and users can download their choice. "stacko by stack wallet > links to stackwallet.com" "monero.com by cake wallet > links to cakewallet.com" seems sane to me

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> others might feel differently

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Maybe everyone else wants every variant listed. Im not psychic

<v​ikrants:monero.social> Yes but then multicoin wallets are there anyway. What? Every company only gets one choice? And you’re penalized for having multiple types of wallets that support Monero?

<v​ikrants:monero.social> Also it’s good for Monero to have a visitor come and.see good wallet support for Monero in single and multi coin wallets

<v​ikrants:monero.social> Also it’s good for Monero to have a visitor come and see good wallet support for Monero in single and multi coin wallets

<v​ikrants:monero.social> But seriously… removing cake? It’s been a staple of the Monero community for 7 years. And we let some small group of haters dictate what and what shouldn’t be in the site. Smh!

<v​ikrants:monero.social> I never come into these chat rooms and try to put my opinions in, but felt i had to in this because it seems like insanity.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Well, what you saw isnt live on the website

<v​ikrants:monero.social> Anyway, if anyone is listening or reading and you agree, please show your support here:

<v​ikrants:monero.social> monero-project/monero-site #2541

<e​longated:matrix.org> getmonero.org/downloads/#mobilelight says monero.com and not cake wallet

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> yeah, that is live 😅

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> But has been for a while now

<e​longated:matrix.org> Needs to be changed

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> It was requested here, an issue opened, a pr followed

<v​ikrants:monero.social> Yeah cake is not there

<a​illia:matrix.org> If the Monero [community] wants mainstream adoption (and it clearly does) Cake is the safest/easiest non-KYC on/off ramp available.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Monero.com _is_ cake wallet, just without the other coins

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The issue here is that we dont have the primary variant listed. Or moreso, that we replaced cake wallet with monero.com

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And it wasnt some centralized decision. It was discussed here before issues were opened requesting it, and a pr was finally made to close the issue

<v​ikrants:monero.social> Why not list both? You have other multicoin wallets there. Why does it have to be one or the other?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> It doesnt _have_ to be one or the other

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The request/issue was to swap cake for monero.com, so thatabwhat was done

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Nobody complained seth opened a pr

<v​ikrants:monero.social> Why was it even considered

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Nobody complained until seth opened a pr

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Because it was discussed here. I don't remember who asked or how the discussion went. It was probably well over a year ago

<v​ikrants:monero.social> Now you’ve driven Diego away from making a Monero only wallet

<e​longated:matrix.org> I complained about ztrash but it’s still mentioned here getmonero.org/get-started/what-is-monero

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> i have done no such thing

<v​ikrants:monero.social> Not “you” but u know what i mean

<v​ikrants:monero.social> I mean this line of thought

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Open an issue

<e​longated:matrix.org> Okay

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Ok my personal opinion is each group of wallets operating under the same umbrella gets a single space. They can choose which of their offerings they want.

<v​ikrants:monero.social> Cake and Monero.com are for different types of users. Just as stack and Monerujo are for different types of users. Just because cake and Monero.com are made by the same entity should not and does not matter.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> This seems like it should be a non-contentious opinion :P

<v​ikrants:monero.social> If stack buys Monerujo tomorrow, should stack be removed?

<v​ikrants:monero.social> Ok my wife is really gonna kill me.

<v​ikrants:monero.social> I gotta go

<v​ikrants:monero.social> Ok last comment! Cake has probably put more Monero in the hands of normies than any other wallets. Ok done for real this time!! 🙏🏾🙏🏾😛😛😋

<v​ikrants:monero.social> For example:

<v​ikrants:monero.social> x.com/vikrantnyc/status/1985127270571221252?s=46

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> i wonder what % of those screenshot are from cake vs monero.com

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> (seriously) would be interesting to know

<v​ikrants:monero.social> I’m specifically writing cake