binaryFate: please update DNS and deploy the website for auto updater

<plowsof:matrix.org> @basses:matrix.org: would you like to try translate.monerodevs.org

<basses:matrix.org> @plowsof:matrix.org: sure

i think i set monero-site to "protected" so id have to manually add your user to the monero-site group - and then on the front page, new users have to go to view all projects to see -site (thats what i seen) , let me know when you have an account - it requires email though but should be working fine

there is just one string untranslated in arabic for this test

<basses:matrix.org> btw if you keep seeing white flash on dark theme this is a weblate bug and not related to instance config or anyhting

<basses:matrix.org> anything*

<plowsof:matrix.org> oh thanks

<basses:matrix.org> plowsof: yes, approve translate.monerodevs.org/user/testman

<plowsof:matrix.org> thnx checking

added to "monero site / Translate" team (i have no idea what im doing)

<plowsof:matrix.org> its currently in "suggest" mode, or it should be

<plowsof:matrix.org> with 1 extra approval

<basses:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/zwvQtEsRAIteACGVGlTdPaAO.png (clipboard.png)

<basses:matrix.org> @plowsof:matrix.org: yes

<basses:matrix.org> everything is greyed out except suggest

<plowsof:matrix.org> thanks for confirming

<plowsof:matrix.org> i have spend 3$ on openAI suggestions for monero gui

<basses:matrix.org> @plowsof:matrix.org: why

<plowsof:matrix.org> literally "Yes" -> "Ja"

<basses:matrix.org> AI translations not that good

<plowsof:matrix.org> i did not know it would begin grinding out suggestions and using 1k tokens for a simple one, and yep, i noticed the translaitons where wrong* - they are just suggestions for human to copy and paste and edit

<basses:matrix.org> it doesn't have context?

<plowsof:matrix.org> simple example was "Chain" .. "mini" "nano" "main" like these things shouldnt really be translated

<plowsof:matrix.org> here is an example log of what welate sends to openAI paste.debian.net/hidden/f4cff2ac

<basses:matrix.org> I mean even if reads the whole component, will lack context that only user that interacts with software will be able to translate correctly

<plowsof:matrix.org> weblate*

<basses:matrix.org> lmao

<plowsof:matrix.org> for dutch, it suggetsed "Mineren" rather than the correct "Minen" for mining... and just some other qwerks that you really need a human who speaks the language to correct it

<plowsof:matrix.org> and that is using the BEST model

<basses:matrix.org> this is done automatically by weblate using openAI integration? > <@plowsof:matrix.org> here is an example log of what welate sends to openAI paste.debian.net/hidden/f4cff2ac

<plowsof:matrix.org> so i would not trust blanket 'translate everything in "one-shot"', only recommend it to be a suggestion

<plowsof:matrix.org> yes, once enabled, it will silently go through and grab suggestions for everything, slowly

<plowsof:matrix.org> my skills in the language are basic but i still noticed issues with the translations

<basses:matrix.org> > You are a highly skilled translation assistant, adept at translating text from language 'en' to language 'zu' with precision and nuance. You are a professional software localization translator specializing in cryptocurrency wallets and privacy-focused financial software. You understand cryptography, blockchain terminology, a [... too long, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/p-iXruAKUkhuMGxH ]

<basses:matrix.org> is by weblate and not u?

<plowsof:matrix.org> this is suggested text for the openAI "persona" which weblate allows you to edit yourself

<plowsof:matrix.org> the bigger the persona - the more tokens lol

<basses:matrix.org> and end up with half bake translations

<basses:matrix.org> u tried google cloud translation api?

<plowsof:matrix.org> so ye, its still not ready without human translator

<basses:matrix.org> idk if webalte supports it

<plowsof:matrix.org> i only tried the bets moneys can buy (or so i thought) weblate has a giant list of them)

<basses:matrix.org> but doesn't matter no need to burn money on something that will get revered when real human translates/reviewit

<plowsof:matrix.org> true

<basses:matrix.org> you can open weblate so third party apps from monero community can apply to be added

<basses:matrix.org> but lets now focus on getting it worked

<basses:matrix.org> can I be reviewer?

<plowsof:matrix.org> is that another team? uhh

<plowsof:matrix.org> added to Reviewers

<redsh4de:matrix.org> we mostly got the github pull request translation flow working - tested with the moneropedia files for now as it uses the new direct Markdown translation features, the JSONs should work without problem

<plowsof:matrix.org> github pull request is running atm redsh4de/monero-site #130

<redsh4de:matrix.org> dope, missed this one

<basses:matrix.org> I approved a string

<redsh4de:matrix.org> oh cool, and it updates any translations pushed in the same pull request, that is very good

<redsh4de:matrix.org> only weird thing is why it says it updated translations for /address, when it did the update for the fcmp++.md arabic locale 🤔

<basses:matrix.org> you probably dont want to keep merging weblate prs everyday, can leave it pile up for few days as translators dont translate a component in one go and will take several days etc

<basses:matrix.org> also many translators will translate at different times so you merge hundred of prs like that

<plowsof:matrix.org> @redsh4de:matrix.org: maybe Address is the main component the others link to?

<basses:matrix.org> but you can test it now if it works? does it?

<plowsof:matrix.org> i seen it work one time with my own eyes

<redsh4de:matrix.org> @basses:matrix.org: yep, merged this one too - works quite well

<redsh4de:matrix.org> technically now after a while, the translated moneropedia entry should show up for the arabic locale

<redsh4de:matrix.org> beta.monerodevs.org/ar/resources/moneropedia

<redsh4de:matrix.org> its empty for now so check back in ~8 minutes

<plowsof:matrix.org> webhooks set up ... all the bells and whistles shld be working

<plowsof:matrix.org> "squash commits" so - the 1 PR remains open - and all edits go to that

<basses:matrix.org> i will translate strings on monero-site rn

<plowsof:matrix.org> at least thats what ive seen

<basses:matrix.org> @basses:matrix.org: done

<basses:matrix.org> can test it if you want

<plowsof:matrix.org> now... this is a first... im looking at the UI for any hints that a translation has been approved

<basses:matrix.org> btw I dont think I have reviewer role

<basses:matrix.org> If I had I would be seeing this

<basses:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/oEWThgpLaMMrazPajXhveSQa.png (clipboard.png)

<redsh4de:matrix.org> @redsh4de:matrix.org: done, translated entry shows up :D

<redsh4de:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/dPskZfyNurLylEwdzgXEgHff.png (image.png)

<basses:matrix.org> but it will be translated directly anyways, unless you lock it down and require normal users to add suggestions and reviewers to approve them

<plowsof:matrix.org> you should have reviewer role but its 2 votes

<plowsof:matrix.org> so someone else me or redshade atm has to also approve.. im just wishing weblate would tell me whats going on

<redsh4de:matrix.org> yeah, i think it works like in regular developer workflows - a person commits, but it needs review/approval for someone else before being finalized

<plowsof:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/ybZqATCdefSxCJdYSUFErKPL.png (Screenshot from 2026-01-26 22-09-24.png)

<plowsof:matrix.org> from admin account i see 3 strings, each of which look like that ^

<plowsof:matrix.org> i expected to see something like 'rando translated this' :(

<redsh4de:matrix.org> i see, this shows the previous english string, and the new english string - had made a change to it

<redsh4de:matrix.org> then u have to update the translated string to match the new one

<basses:matrix.org> translate.monerodevs.org/projects/monero-site/-/ar/#information

<basses:matrix.org> there's no reviewers section

<basses:matrix.org> see hosted.weblate.org/projects/pop-os/-/ar/#information

<basses:matrix.org> they have one

<syntheticbird> no way automated translation today

<basses:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/HWQqGLuCGrYjEXDwARyXqJNT.png (clipboard.png)

<syntheticbird> congrats people, this is very pleasing to coming to life

<syntheticbird> to see coming

<redsh4de:matrix.org> this will be yuge for monero's first contact point

<redsh4de:matrix.org> maximum effort

<basses:matrix.org> @plowsof:matrix.org: translate.monerodevs.org/projects/monero-site/-/ar/#history

<redsh4de:matrix.org> found it - have to enable reviewer workflow > <@basses:matrix.org> see hosted.weblate.org/projects/pop-os/-/ar/#information

<redsh4de:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/oTJgrWIUGfECwvTxnrunbSub.png (image.png)

<redsh4de:matrix.org> In Project -> Settings -> Workflows

<basses:matrix.org> this is good, I have seen translations being abused a lot

<basses:matrix.org> noteable example bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/…eech-in-release-2310-how-to-upgrade

<basses:matrix.org> > Ubuntu, the most popular Linux distribution, has pulled its Desktop release 23.10 after its Ukrainian translations were discovered to contain hate speech.

<plowsof:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/aFJuTtgSeYVCvXbbxoMogsef.png (Screenshot from 2026-01-26 22-15-05.png)

<plowsof:matrix.org> thnx @redsh4de:matrix.org another weblate docs moment

<redsh4de:matrix.org> the docs are pure unfiltered ass

<basses:matrix.org> lol

<redsh4de:matrix.org> average page

<redsh4de:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/kucEIHasXGvLbLHfCoLkrlDV.png (image.png)

<plowsof:matrix.org> they have a paid option to set up. every step of this process has been painful, and they have no incentive to make it painless

<plowsof:matrix.org> for self hosted*

<basses:matrix.org> fedora pays for it

<redsh4de:matrix.org> To manage user permissions for a project, have to go to Project -> Operations -> Users

<redsh4de:matrix.org> translate.monerodevs.org/access/monero-site/#users

<redsh4de:matrix.org> added testman to the "Review" group and i see it also shows up in the info page as a reviewer now

<plowsof:matrix.org> i had also done it from another menu lols via 🔧 -> users 😆

<basses:matrix.org> @redsh4de:matrix.org: can confirm working

<basses:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/UqUSuLfqbTQjBwrFOhQwCxDf.png (clipboard.png)

<redsh4de:matrix.org> @plowsof:matrix.org: i guess it has to be assigned per-project :D

<plowsof:matrix.org> ah he has been set to "site-wide" team for reviewers (global) and you have added to specifically monero-site

<basses:matrix.org> I was asked to share my insights on ways to improve their UX, so you can pile up all hurdles you had and send it to me in a dm and I will share it with them @redsh4de:matrix.org too > <@plowsof:matrix.org> they have a paid option to set up. every step of this process has been painful, and they have no incentive to make it painless

<plowsof:matrix.org> @syntheticbird:monero.social: now we need some FUD telling people to not translate FCMP++ OVK sections

<syntheticbird> @plowsof:matrix.org: damn

<redsh4de:matrix.org> @basses:matrix.org: the big one is that every page in the navigation to a component or language looks identical

<redsh4de:matrix.org> there is no visual differentiation between where you are at, so you instantly can lose context of where you are in

<redsh4de:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/fsbdRqSDIMiyTXbDVnXQTwKG.png (image.png)

<redsh4de:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/xpnYnFjLqeBcDRopbtXVOExi.png (image.png)

<redsh4de:matrix.org> one is the whole page, and once is a component in the page

<basses:matrix.org> there is breadcrumbs > <@redsh4de:matrix.org> there is no visual differentiation between where you are at, so you instantly can lose context of where you are in

<syntheticbird> the breadcumb is 4500% visible

<redsh4de:matrix.org> its not immediately obvious because everything is so painfully uniform

<syntheticbird> skill issue

<syntheticbird> just kidding

<redsh4de:matrix.org> the breadcrumb is tiny in comparison

<redsh4de:matrix.org> but ye

<syntheticbird> the breadcrumb is not well designed

<basses:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/TygSzNDXeAbXbHDiCKXLCrvE.png (clipboard.png)

<syntheticbird> Bro, It's a real time chat not IRC

<basses:matrix.org> you guys never dealt with Crowdin 😭

<plowsof:matrix.org> human dont care about those breadcrumbs , afaict im walking around, taking the same path but reaching different locations

<redsh4de:matrix.org> ive had this several times where because everything looks the same and the only guiding thing is a breadcrumb, i click on Operations and am confused for a second why there are no options here that were before - look at the breadcrumb - ah, im in a component, have to navigate back

<redsh4de:matrix.org> but why do i need to navigate back to access page settings? the component is a child element of the page

<plowsof:matrix.org> and never remembering how i got there

<basses:matrix.org> shit performs worse than Electron apps and very confusing

<syntheticbird> @basses:matrix.org: An achievement in some sort

<syntheticbird> Found the solution

<syntheticbird> just make a CCS for writing a monero dedicated translation web application

<basses:matrix.org> Weblate is miles better than any translation platform out there, I will share this issue with them

<basses:matrix.org> @syntheticbird: NIH

<syntheticbird> @basses:matrix.org: You should say that to contrib/epee author

<basses:matrix.org> btw is already done by linux DE and they are not perfect at all

<plowsof:matrix.org> it will be in Dart (multi OS) so people can translate on all devices

<basses:matrix.org> kde, gnome and ubuntu

<plowsof:matrix.org> after claiming 2/4 milestones because im a fraud - it can then be written in rust

<syntheticbird> @plowsof:matrix.org: absolute kewbit

<redsh4de:matrix.org> @redsh4de:matrix.org: a project-specific sidebar would fix this imo

<redsh4de:matrix.org> it stays on the side so you can access project settings directly, then you can descend to: Language -> Component in a hierachal way

<basses:matrix.org> @plowsof:matrix.org: Dark webapps slow asf

<plowsof:matrix.org> translate via tor/ipfs/i2p with 2fa

<plowsof:matrix.org> federated

<syntheticbird> We need to provide an IRC bot for translation contribution too

<basses:matrix.org> just set up AI agent to review all translation suggestions

<syntheticbird> so people can contribute from IRC

<plowsof:matrix.org> update 1 via twitter : a screen recording of me moving mouse around

<syntheticbird> lmfao

<plowsof:matrix.org> SOON

<ofrnxmr> @plowsof:matrix.org: Entropy 💪

2 separate PR's here because each time "commit" is clicked in the repo maintenance UI they are squashed into 1 , but then added the the pending list, in this case it was 5 commits to 1 -> added to the 1 pending . after push -> 2 PR's github.com/redsh4de/monero-site/pulls

and the 'Address' mention is because all the moneropedia articles are linked to Address. Common is the other main component the rest are linked to (Blog.. etc)

the commit msg can be edited in menu - hopefully it can contain the correct name of components being edited

the PR description: paste.debian.net/hidden/8feb91ae

ah the 2 PR's... i guess its 1 PR for each component (Address -> moneropedia and Common -> everything else) okayyy

also rando, for github pull request, the docs failed me, and i required a jump of faith and just guessed that maybe if the push url + branch are blank it works, and it did.. couldnt see that in the docs

<basses:matrix.org> yeah docs is not that good, I remember flathub maintainer struggling to get English locked so no one makes any changes to it affecting all other languages as this is the source string

D:

<redsh4de:matrix.org> wonder if we can make the PR description better somehow to reflect the actual components being updated > <plowsof> the PR description: paste.debian.net/hidden/8feb91ae

<basses:matrix.org> you are safe tho, I see English strings are read-only, pure luck or intentional?

<redsh4de:matrix.org> i reckon its intentional, English strings are the source so they should be updated in the repo itself

that would be redshades config options , the uh, base/template file

<redsh4de:matrix.org> i think there was a way to enable editing source strings

<redsh4de:matrix.org> but pretty sure didnt enable it

<basses:matrix.org> doubt they changed to sane defaults for Weblate

its a bit counter intuitive when you want 'select everything' - you must first add 1 component , in our case, Address - then you go to this component , click add ons then component discovery - and fill in the wildcardswhich then populates everything

<basses:matrix.org> WeblateOrg/weblate #7141 ? > <@redsh4de:matrix.org> wonder if we can make the PR description better somehow to reflect the actual components being updated

you learn that on day 2 iirc

if the answer is do it manually on each component then im not surprised

<basses:matrix.org> docs.weblate.org/en/latest/admin/config.html#default-pull-message @redsh4de:matrix.org

its already (from the paste bin) a generic "Translations update from [{{ site_title }}]({{ site_url }}) for [{{ project_name }}/{{ component_name }}]({{url}})." but, the "component name" is always Address because thats the main one theyre all linked to

<redsh4de:matrix.org> There a list of available variables that can be used?

a for loop for each file modified in the PR would be ideal xD

'but thats impossible' no, weblate devs can suffer like i did for gitlab

<basses:matrix.org> reminds me of how monero has like 3 forges, github & gitlab and one forgejo by Synbird

more clarification: so we have 2 components. 2 branches: github.com/montero-weblate/monero-s…eta/tree/weblate-monero-site-common

common and address

"From addres" , "from common"

punishment for not adding spending a day adding individual components (which was day 1)

<redsh4de:matrix.org> 😭

my month or more of work fixing po4a 300+ commits is the citation for redshade moving to this markdown setup, shuld be alot more convenient