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selsta
23:50 <ndorf> poorly, last i checked <-- it works fine if the room is configured correctly
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selsta
but this channel isn't bridged yet :/
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selsta
soon^tm
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nioc
should make a bounty for it
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apotheon
kinda back
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apotheon
nioc: a bounty that dwindles over time
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ndorf
but never to zero. tail emission
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apotheon
The problem with that is that the way such bounties typically work with Monero would require refunding money over time to make the total dwindle.
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nioc
I just sent a query
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apotheon
. . . to whom/what?
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nioc
seems that the channel is too big to be bridged by us so it has to be done by the matrix devs who have been unresponsive after several requests
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nioc
so it's not because of the great monero community
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nioc
I was thinking about to bribing fluffypony with these to get it done >>
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nioc
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apotheon
Those are horrific.
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apotheon
They should match his watch.
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nioc
lol
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apotheon
meaning "they look like they would", not "change them so they do"
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nioc
ah
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nioc
so maybe it will work
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apotheon
yep
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apotheon
.ldoge tip nioc all
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Wallet
apotheon tipped 0.1337 LDOGE to nioc [505af765]
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apotheon
nioc: Hopefully you can convert that into something for the bounty. Har.
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nioc
.balances
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Wallet
nioc: Balances • ≈0 DOGE • ≈0.53 LDOGE • ≈0.09 PETAL • (≈$0 USD) • Staking: N/A • [N] Messages: 1
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apotheon
What . . . no Monero?
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apotheon
As quantities of shitcoins (e.g. Dogecoin and LDOGE) appear unbidden, I pass them on to the deserving.
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nioc
Thx :D
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Mochi101
.petal tip nioc 0.1337
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Wallet
Mochi101 tipped 0.1337 PETAL to nioc [e650fd3a]
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nioc
Thx Mochi101
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Mochi101
You deserve it nioc
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nioc
Cat will be happy
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Mochi101
Is she ever not?
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nioc
Very rarely
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Mochi101
good
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apotheon
nioc: In this case, Mochi101 gave it to me.
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apotheon
I tried giving some to Mochi101 a few times, but Mochi101 kept giving it back.
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Mochi101
I'm a giver
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apotheon
If someone gave me Monero, though, I'd keep it.
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apotheon
(or maybe donate it to the bot)
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Mochi101
Maybe you've seen my pic. I was giver.jpg on goatse.cx
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apotheon
nice
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nioc
Everytime I check the price of gold I think of Mochi101
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apotheon
Oh?
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apotheon
Why's that?
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nioc
He likes gold
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apotheon
Mochi101: Are you the one controlling gold exchange rates? I have a request, if so.
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apotheon
I'd like it to stay below 1720 for three weekdays in a row soon.
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Mochi101
apotheon, if I was controlling gold exchange rates it'd be $5k per ounce right now.
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apotheon
You can jack it up to 5K after that. I have no problem with that.
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Mochi101
apotheon, that's very unlikely... Unless Biden fixes the financial system (again).
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apotheon
Even more importantly right now, though, I need Litecoin to be about 90+% of Monero price for a few days.
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apotheon
"fixes"
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apotheon
not "repairs", but "price-fixes" like a conspirator
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apotheon
It got down to low 1730s for about two hours recently, but that wasn't long enough for my needs.
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Mochi101
I should have bought more at $1275 per ounce
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Mochi101
but no... I waited and bought at $1525 per ounce...
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Mochi101
I'm such an idiot.
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nioc
Should have bought montero at 50 cents
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Mochi101
no kidding
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apotheon
I should've known about Monero at 50c.
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apotheon
. . . and about how to get it "cleanly".
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apotheon
I have a friend who is so far from being ready to go down the privacy rabbit hole that it wouldn't even be worthwhile to give her a Monero for her birthday, and that makes me sad.
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Mochi101
very sad
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Mochi101
apotheon, I can sell you clean Monero. It'll be at a premium price though.
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Mochi101
Virgin, untraceable XMR.
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apotheon
I have a reasonable path for Monero already, but thanks. I appreciate the offer.
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Mochi101
Well, if you ever want the good stuff. You know where to find me.
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apotheon
Thanks.
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apotheon
Define "premium".
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apotheon
. . . just "slightly above going rate"?
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Mochi101
lol
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Mochi101
nah man
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Mochi101
I'm a HODLer... I've never sold XMR for fiat.
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apotheon
i'm a little confused. It seems like you're saying you wouldn't sell it at all, now.
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Mochi101
Well... Sort of waiting for $5k per XMR
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apotheon
I see.
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Mochi101
Then I'll consider.
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Mochi101
What price would you consider apotheon ?
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apotheon
just slightly above going rate
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Mochi101
No apotheon, I mean to sell yours.
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apotheon
holy cow
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apotheon
umm
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apotheon
double current premium for where I'd get it
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alMalsamo
Hi all, someone in China asked me about how to mine without the CCP detecting their internet traffic to see they are mining (it is illegal there now)
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alMalsamo
What are the ways to anonymize Monero mining to evade government detection?
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torg
So I'm new to Monero and Crypto in general. Been in tech all my life, just not much of a finance guy. Any idea why the price dipped so much in the past few days?
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gingeropolous
torg, dunno which price ure talking about. but price talk generally happens in #monero-markets, though its quiet these days it seems.
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gingeropolous
but in general, crypto moves because the movement allows people to make money. so ppl making the moves make the money.
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gingeropolous
i mean, thats true of any free open market that has speculative ... uhmm.... tools.
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torg
true, yeah I noticed the market price on it dropped from hovering around 250 to 180 over the past few days and now its back up to 220, just wondering if something happened to cause such a drop. Where do you go for news on monero?
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gingeropolous
ure there
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torg
No I understand thats normal, just curious if anybody knew of a reason
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torg
oh good :)
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gingeropolous
here, keepin tabs on the monero github
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gingeropolous
keepin tabs on monero research lab
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torg
hmm
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torg
good to know
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gingeropolous
most of the stuff ends up trickling out onto reddit.com/r/monero and twitter verse
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gingeropolous
twitterverse
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torg
good, been to the reddit. Not much of a twitter guy myself
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gingeropolous
semi official officially official news ends up on getmonero.org :)
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torg
Was at defcon and visited the crypto village and the monero guy has me convinced
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gingeropolous
oh word. the missionaries are working! :)
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gingeropolous
which defcon?
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torg
lol!
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torg
last one
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torg
29
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torg
very excited for 30
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gingeropolous
well, welcome to the circus
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torg
Thanks gingeropolous! The community seems very awesome.
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gingeropolous
its something else all right :)
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torg
I was having a hard time finding good exchanges that carry monero. Looks like kraken is the one I'll go with
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torg
been mining using the GUI tool on my desktop for the past 3 weeks but have not found a block yet. I'm assuming thats normal
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gingeropolous
yeah if u want straightforward AML / KYC "sir, yes sir mr regulators sir" access to monero, kraken is the way
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torg
cool, thats what I was finding out with research as well, thanks ginger
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gingeropolous
yeah, finding a block solo mining is a rare event, but it happens
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torg
do you recommend pool mining over solo?
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gingeropolous
negative!
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gingeropolous
pools are evil centralizing forces that ... nah there not that bad
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torg
oh ok! Good! Thats what I decided based on my limited research but good to know
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torg
lol!
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gingeropolous
i mean its a mixed bag. pooled mining gets the little guy interested with constant payouts
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gingeropolous
but its ultimately 1 block producer blah blah blah.
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gingeropolous
if you want a challenge, you can check out p2pool. its like the best of both worlds, pooled mining but in a decentralized manner
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gingeropolous
i assume ure on windows or something. i haven't fiddled with it on windows
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gingeropolous
but i know its doable
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torg
Yeah I'm not that much into the mining. I usually have my personal laptop running during the day while I'm at work so I figured I might as well put it to use while its up. Not expecting to get much coin if any
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torg
Yeah my home desktop is windows, all other devices are linux
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gingeropolous
roight roight.
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torg
how important is it to have a hardware wallet over one living on my PC? I back it up to a USB stick and lock it in my safe... I know its not as secure as a hardware wallet but backing it up to USB and locking it in a safe makes it at least safe from me losing it right?
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gingeropolous
a lot of ppl like hardware wallets. I don't understand the allure.
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gingeropolous
So the key really isn't backing it up to USB and locking it in a safe... its how secure your computing environment is/was when you generate your keys
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gingeropolous
if u know dis just tell me to stop :)
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gingeropolous
.. and how secure your computing environment is when you use your keys
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gingeropolous
hardware wallets provide a sense of security because the hardware is presumably secure because thats why they made it that way with the things where the data can't escape and stuff
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torg
that makes so much more sense! Thank you!! ok, I feel good about that. Thank you so much ginger! This has helped. K, I'm out. have a good one and again, THANK YOU!
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gingeropolous
lata
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alMalsamo
gingeropolous: Do you know anything about anonymizing XMR mining traffic?
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gingeropolous
mining traffic?
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apotheon
gingeropolous: I suspect that means all network traffic identifiable as related to Monero that is produced during mining to not be traceable to the miner.
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apotheon
gingeropolous: . . . so, for instance, everything going through Tor and not identifying the miner with metadata or something like that.
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gingeropolous
according to knowledgeable folks, this can just be done with xmrig-proxy and TLS/SSL
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apotheon
Of course, the answer (other than everything going through Tor) is probably "Immediately send all your received Monero to another address, and don't use the mining address for anything else."
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apotheon
I don't know enough about xmrig-proxy to know how that anonymizes anything.
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gingeropolous
it doesn't really. your miners would just connect over an encrypted tunnel to some other server somewhere, and that other server would connect to a pool
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gingeropolous
so the prying eyes would just see a SSL connection to some random server
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apotheon
That server, and someone monitoring *it* though, would reveal the fact it's for mining, so that seems less than anonymous.
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gingeropolous
well presumably the second server is out of the scope
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sech1
yes, the question was about how to stay under the radar in China
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ocb
he could do something like, get a small/cheap vps in ok country, setup web server supporting ssl/tls ie nginx,lighttpd,apache. then setup shadowsocks/stunnel server or just tls/ssl proxy on vps which will make traffic look like https. this tunnel will be used to proxy mining traffic the trick is to host shadowsocks/stunnel on same port as web server, but use iptables to 'dissect' traffic based on
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ocb
source address. iptables rule that says if source address is his mining equipment and traffic arrives to 443 where normal https page is shown, redirect that traffic to internal port ie 5555 that is the shadowsocks/stunnel port which routes traffic to the outside world. this way anyone visiting port he is connecting to, will see its a regular https site. downside is that one should ensure the great
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ocb
firewall doesnt already know how to see shadowsocks/stunnel traffic by packets and maybe use some other obfuscation method.
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apotheon
TLS over ICMP . . . ? (I kid, mostly.)
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ocb
never did icmp but did http over dns on mobile internet isps that keep allowing dns when plan expires. too much hassle and issues with any larger traffic.
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Guest4
Hi all, i often read that Monero has the 3rd largest developer community. Do you know of any sources for that statement?
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nioc
Guest4: probably comes from github
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Guest4
yes, but who did the comparison? :)
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selsta
someone who compared contributors most likely
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selsta
the number is a couple years old so I don't know if it's still accurate